an idiot put in charge of windows 7 gui

R

Rosco P Coltrane

The vista gui was designed by monkeys, but it seems MS wants to continue
that bad tradition!

Julie Larson-Green the creator of the horrid ribbon in office 2007 is put in
charge of the windows7 gui..

YUCK!!!!! If she makes everything non customizable can someone please slap
her silly???

http://keznews.com/4924_Windows_7_Tasksbar_Multi-Monitor_Support

mug shot
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/gallery/execs/larsongreen-1.jpg

Great testimony: located at>
http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/30/edit-the-office-2007-ribbon-bar/

I just started a new job last week. I'd used previous versions of Office for
years, and I never had difficulty adapting whenever Microsoft came out with
a new version to replace the old version with a newer version, because the
newer versions usually retained the basic design of the older versions,
albeit with a few new features.

Not so with Office 2007. Here I'd been telling this guy that I knew Office
inside and out, during my job interview, only to find myself trying on the
first day of my new job to figure out where all of the features I was
familiar with had gone.

Thankfully, my new boss did have a high speed Internet connection, so I was
able to use Help (which is increasingly impossible to use with Microsoft
products if one is not online at the time). But I still found myself having
to look up the same things several times before I could remember how to
perform certain basic functions I'd always taken for granted before. I have
a feeling I'll be doing that for quite a few weeks before I'm really
comfortable with Office 2007.

Naturally, none of this occurred during my leisure time. It occurred in the
context of a new job, working under a microscope for a computer-illiterate
guy who wanted everything done immediately, and who had no idea of the kind
of challenge I was facing. The worst part was that when I would express
frustration with the situation, it made me look as if my previous claims
concerning my extensive computer knowledge and expertise had been
fraudulent.

Later, I noticed an ad in the bus I took home from work. It emphasized that
Office 2007 was very, very different from previous versions. That, in my
opinion, is an understatement. Microsoft seems to think that's a selling
point. I beg to differ. It might be a selling point to someone who's never
used Office before, but realistically, how many people is that? Office has
long been the default software in professional offices, and computer
professionals don't want to have to learn a new program from scratch every
time Microsoft decides to upgrade. It inhibits productivity to have to do
so.

What made things even worse was that I assumed that one would be able to
bring back the menubars simply by opening up the Options function and
choosing that particular option. From what I can tell, that is not the case.

What Microsoft should have done was to make it so that whenever one opens an
Office application, one is presented with a choice: "Do you want the new
Office 2007 interface, or the classic Office interface with a menubar?" One
of the buttons on the main tab which is shown whenever you first open the
program should say "Show Classic Menubar". For people who have used Office
for years, it's a slap in the face for the company to create a new interface
which essentially negates all of the time long-time users have spent in
learning Microsoft Office programs inside and out.
 
A

Alias

Rosco P Coltrane wrote:
> The vista gui was designed by monkeys, but it seems MS wants to continue
> that bad tradition!
>
> Julie Larson-Green the creator of the horrid ribbon in office 2007 is
> put in
> charge of the windows7 gui..
>
> YUCK!!!!! If she makes everything non customizable can someone please slap
> her silly???
>
> http://keznews.com/4924_Windows_7_Tasksbar_Multi-Monitor_Support
>
> mug shot
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/gallery/execs/larsongreen-1.jpg
>
> Great testimony: located at>
> http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/30/edit-the-office-2007-ribbon-bar/
>
> I just started a new job last week. I'd used previous versions of Office
> for years, and I never had difficulty adapting whenever Microsoft came
> out with a new version to replace the old version with a newer version,
> because the newer versions usually retained the basic design of the
> older versions, albeit with a few new features.
>
> Not so with Office 2007. Here I'd been telling this guy that I knew
> Office inside and out, during my job interview, only to find myself
> trying on the first day of my new job to figure out where all of the
> features I was familiar with had gone.
>
> Thankfully, my new boss did have a high speed Internet connection, so I
> was able to use Help (which is increasingly impossible to use with
> Microsoft products if one is not online at the time). But I still found
> myself having to look up the same things several times before I could
> remember how to perform certain basic functions I'd always taken for
> granted before. I have a feeling I'll be doing that for quite a few
> weeks before I'm really comfortable with Office 2007.
>
> Naturally, none of this occurred during my leisure time. It occurred in
> the context of a new job, working under a microscope for a
> computer-illiterate guy who wanted everything done immediately, and who
> had no idea of the kind of challenge I was facing. The worst part was
> that when I would express frustration with the situation, it made me
> look as if my previous claims concerning my extensive computer knowledge
> and expertise had been fraudulent.
>
> Later, I noticed an ad in the bus I took home from work. It emphasized
> that Office 2007 was very, very different from previous versions. That,
> in my opinion, is an understatement. Microsoft seems to think that's a
> selling point. I beg to differ. It might be a selling point to someone
> who's never used Office before, but realistically, how many people is
> that? Office has long been the default software in professional offices,
> and computer professionals don't want to have to learn a new program
> from scratch every time Microsoft decides to upgrade. It inhibits
> productivity to have to do so.
>
> What made things even worse was that I assumed that one would be able to
> bring back the menubars simply by opening up the Options function and
> choosing that particular option. From what I can tell, that is not the
> case.
>
> What Microsoft should have done was to make it so that whenever one
> opens an Office application, one is presented with a choice: "Do you
> want the new Office 2007 interface, or the classic Office interface with
> a menubar?" One of the buttons on the main tab which is shown whenever
> you first open the program should say "Show Classic Menubar". For people
> who have used Office for years, it's a slap in the face for the company
> to create a new interface which essentially negates all of the time
> long-time users have spent in learning Microsoft Office programs inside
> and out.


AOL used to be a dominant force too. It appears that MS' success proves
the old saying, "Will success spoil Rock Hunter?". It started with
WPA/WGA, this disdain MS holds for their paying customers and is ending
with an AOL like interface, mistakenly thinking they can do no wrong.

Alias
 
K

Ken

Maybe you should date her so she'll change it to your liking.

That said, I'd barely touched a Windows computer since 1996 until last year
when Vista convinced me to try, and I'm hardly the only one. Vista, I've
since been told, has attracted more non-Windows users to using Windows than
genearally any windows OS in years or ever. Could be true, and maybe is part
of the idea. So far, I'm generally getting along well with it and it's
features.

Maybe you can learn to date better. lol



"Rosco P Coltrane" <rosco@da.colt> wrote in message
news:48e2bc8e$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> The vista gui was designed by monkeys, but it seems MS wants to continue
> that bad tradition!
>
> Julie Larson-Green the creator of the horrid ribbon in office 2007 is put
> in
> charge of the windows7 gui..
>
> YUCK!!!!! If she makes everything non customizable can someone please slap
> her silly???
>
> http://keznews.com/4924_Windows_7_Tasksbar_Multi-Monitor_Support
>
> mug shot
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/gallery/execs/larsongreen-1.jpg
>
> Great testimony: located at>
> http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/30/edit-the-office-2007-ribbon-bar/
>
> I just started a new job last week. I'd used previous versions of Office
> for years, and I never had difficulty adapting whenever Microsoft came out
> with a new version to replace the old version with a newer version,
> because the newer versions usually retained the basic design of the older
> versions, albeit with a few new features.
>
> Not so with Office 2007. Here I'd been telling this guy that I knew Office
> inside and out, during my job interview, only to find myself trying on the
> first day of my new job to figure out where all of the features I was
> familiar with had gone.
>
> Thankfully, my new boss did have a high speed Internet connection, so I
> was able to use Help (which is increasingly impossible to use with
> Microsoft products if one is not online at the time). But I still found
> myself having to look up the same things several times before I could
> remember how to perform certain basic functions I'd always taken for
> granted before. I have a feeling I'll be doing that for quite a few weeks
> before I'm really comfortable with Office 2007.
>
> Naturally, none of this occurred during my leisure time. It occurred in
> the context of a new job, working under a microscope for a
> computer-illiterate guy who wanted everything done immediately, and who
> had no idea of the kind of challenge I was facing. The worst part was that
> when I would express frustration with the situation, it made me look as if
> my previous claims concerning my extensive computer knowledge and
> expertise had been fraudulent.
>
> Later, I noticed an ad in the bus I took home from work. It emphasized
> that Office 2007 was very, very different from previous versions. That, in
> my opinion, is an understatement. Microsoft seems to think that's a
> selling point. I beg to differ. It might be a selling point to someone
> who's never used Office before, but realistically, how many people is
> that? Office has long been the default software in professional offices,
> and computer professionals don't want to have to learn a new program from
> scratch every time Microsoft decides to upgrade. It inhibits productivity
> to have to do so.
>
> What made things even worse was that I assumed that one would be able to
> bring back the menubars simply by opening up the Options function and
> choosing that particular option. From what I can tell, that is not the
> case.
>
> What Microsoft should have done was to make it so that whenever one opens
> an Office application, one is presented with a choice: "Do you want the
> new Office 2007 interface, or the classic Office interface with a
> menubar?" One of the buttons on the main tab which is shown whenever you
> first open the program should say "Show Classic Menubar". For people who
> have used Office for years, it's a slap in the face for the company to
> create a new interface which essentially negates all of the time long-time
> users have spent in learning Microsoft Office programs inside and out.
 
V

Vista Cabal

I see your overall picture...

"Rosco P Coltrane" <rosco@da.colt> wrote in message
news:48e2bc8e$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> The vista gui was designed by monkeys, but it seems MS wants to continue
> that bad tradition!
>
> Julie Larson-Green the creator of the horrid ribbon in office 2007 is put in
> charge of the windows7 gui..
>
> YUCK!!!!! If she makes everything non customizable can someone please slap
> her silly???
>
> http://keznews.com/4924_Windows_7_Tasksbar_Multi-Monitor_Support

Just how fast you've been pulling your banana...

> mug shot
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/gallery/execs/larsongreen-1.jpg

.... over this picture


> Great testimony: located at>
> http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/30/edit-the-office-2007-ribbon-bar/

Chris seems to be expressing his fustrations everywhere but the real source of it,
back to your first link for a solution.


> I just started a new job last week. I'd used previous versions of Office for
> years, and I never had difficulty adapting whenever Microsoft came out with a
> new version to replace the old version with a newer version, because the newer
> versions usually retained the basic design of the older versions, albeit with a
> few new features.


Knocked off by the Office ribbon????

> Not so with Office 2007. Here I'd been telling this guy that I knew Office
> inside and out, during my job interview, only to find myself trying on the first
> day of my new job to figure out where all of the features I was familiar with
> had gone.


It's not difficult at all to figure out. Especially after years of Office
experience. A good half day all is all you need.


> Thankfully, my new boss did have a high speed Internet connection, so I was able
> to use Help (which is increasingly impossible to use with Microsoft products if
> one is not online at the time). But I still found myself having to look up the
> same things several times before I could remember how to perform certain basic
> functions I'd always taken for granted before. I have a feeling I'll be doing
> that for quite a few weeks before I'm really comfortable with Office 2007.


I hear the violine already, give yourself a break.

> Naturally, none of this occurred during my leisure time. It occurred in the
> context of a new job, working under a microscope for a computer-illiterate guy
> who wanted everything done immediately, and who had no idea of the kind of
> challenge I was facing. The worst part was that when I would express frustration
> with the situation, it made me look as if my previous claims concerning my
> extensive computer knowledge and expertise had been fraudulent.


Because you are. Can't do a job...? Just blame someone else. Sounds like you got
off easily, I would have dismissed you at that moment.

> Later, I noticed an ad in the bus I took home from work. It emphasized that
> Office 2007 was very, very different from previous versions. That, in my
> opinion, is an understatement. Microsoft seems to think that's a selling point.
> I beg to differ. It might be a selling point to someone who's never used Office
> before, but realistically, how many people is that? Office has long been the
> default software in professional offices, and computer professionals don't want
> to have to learn a new program from scratch every time Microsoft decides to
> upgrade. It inhibits productivity to have to do so.


That's the nature of technology, especially in this industry, learn, and learn
quick, or do something else. Finance seems to be full of the useless kind, as
we've seen. You would fit right in by the way you sound.

> What made things even worse was that I assumed that one would be able to bring
> back the menubars simply by opening up the Options function and choosing that
> particular option. From what I can tell, that is not the case.


Make a Ribbon, it's not at all hard, and you can do it using a variety of
technologies. Even VBA, providing you know it.

> What Microsoft should have done was to make it so that whenever one opens an
> Office application, one is presented with a choice: "Do you want the new Office
> 2007 interface, or the classic Office interface with a menubar?" One of the
> buttons on the main tab which is shown whenever you first open the program
> should say "Show Classic Menubar". For people who have used Office for years,
> it's a slap in the face for the company to create a new interface which
> essentially negates all of the time long-time users have spent in learning
> Microsoft Office programs inside and out.


Office 2007 certainly did not negate my long time knowledge, or any user I know.
After a few weeks of work-home use, people went from hating to liking it. The way
you're talking, you're admitting it's beyond the issue of your mental capacity.

- Vista Cabal
 
N

Not Even Me

They decided a ribbon was better...I haven't figured out why, I don't like
it either.
I gave the computer with Office 2007 preinstalled to my wife (she rarely
uses Office for anything but opening .doc or .pps files).
I still use Office XP on my personal machine and it's fine. I also use Open
Office on several machines at work.
I like it almost as well, and the price is so much better.
Unless you use Office a LOT, Open Office is a better choice from a
cost/benefit perspective.
From what I have seen of Office 2007, OO is a better choice all around.
I don't do spreadsheets or presentations.
I use word processing sometimes, but that's about it.

"Rosco P Coltrane" <rosco@da.colt> wrote in message
news:48e2bc8e$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> The vista gui was designed by monkeys, but it seems MS wants to continue
> that bad tradition!
>
> Julie Larson-Green the creator of the horrid ribbon in office 2007 is put
> in
> charge of the windows7 gui..
>
> YUCK!!!!! If she makes everything non customizable can someone please slap
> her silly???
>
> http://keznews.com/4924_Windows_7_Tasksbar_Multi-Monitor_Support
>
> mug shot
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/gallery/execs/larsongreen-1.jpg
>
> Great testimony: located at>
> http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/30/edit-the-office-2007-ribbon-bar/
>
> I just started a new job last week. I'd used previous versions of Office
> for years, and I never had difficulty adapting whenever Microsoft came out
> with a new version to replace the old version with a newer version,
> because the newer versions usually retained the basic design of the older
> versions, albeit with a few new features.
>
> Not so with Office 2007. Here I'd been telling this guy that I knew Office
> inside and out, during my job interview, only to find myself trying on the
> first day of my new job to figure out where all of the features I was
> familiar with had gone.
>
> Thankfully, my new boss did have a high speed Internet connection, so I
> was able to use Help (which is increasingly impossible to use with
> Microsoft products if one is not online at the time). But I still found
> myself having to look up the same things several times before I could
> remember how to perform certain basic functions I'd always taken for
> granted before. I have a feeling I'll be doing that for quite a few weeks
> before I'm really comfortable with Office 2007.
>
> Naturally, none of this occurred during my leisure time. It occurred in
> the context of a new job, working under a microscope for a
> computer-illiterate guy who wanted everything done immediately, and who
> had no idea of the kind of challenge I was facing. The worst part was that
> when I would express frustration with the situation, it made me look as if
> my previous claims concerning my extensive computer knowledge and
> expertise had been fraudulent.
>
> Later, I noticed an ad in the bus I took home from work. It emphasized
> that Office 2007 was very, very different from previous versions. That, in
> my opinion, is an understatement. Microsoft seems to think that's a
> selling point. I beg to differ. It might be a selling point to someone
> who's never used Office before, but realistically, how many people is
> that? Office has long been the default software in professional offices,
> and computer professionals don't want to have to learn a new program from
> scratch every time Microsoft decides to upgrade. It inhibits productivity
> to have to do so.
>
> What made things even worse was that I assumed that one would be able to
> bring back the menubars simply by opening up the Options function and
> choosing that particular option. From what I can tell, that is not the
> case.
>
> What Microsoft should have done was to make it so that whenever one opens
> an Office application, one is presented with a choice: "Do you want the
> new Office 2007 interface, or the classic Office interface with a
> menubar?" One of the buttons on the main tab which is shown whenever you
> first open the program should say "Show Classic Menubar". For people who
> have used Office for years, it's a slap in the face for the company to
> create a new interface which essentially negates all of the time long-time
> users have spent in learning Microsoft Office programs inside and out.
 
T

Telstar

> I don't do spreadsheets or presentations.
> I use word processing sometimes, but that's about it.


Then you shouldn't have even bothered because your opinion is worthless.
And wrong.
 
K

kanehi

It's always a plus if you keep yourself up to date in what programs
businesses are using nowadays. To say that a program is idiotic because
of the interface is nonsense. You have to sell yourself when finding a
job and businesses does not cater to individuals. There are other job
seekers who are more qualified. If a business uses Office 2007... learn
it and adapt.


--
kanehi
 
S

Steve Thackery

I've been using Office since Version 2.0c (something of a classic), and on
balance I prefer the new ribbon interface.

SteveT
 
D

DanS

"Telstar" <none@none> wrote in news:O#jCFh6IJHA.1556@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>> I don't do spreadsheets or presentations.
>> I use word processing sometimes, but that's about it.

>
> Then you shouldn't have even bothered because your opinion is worthless.
> And wrong.


I suppose millions of home users create spreadsheets and ppt
presentations...
 
R

Ringmaster's Psychiatrist

"Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:gc06jb$17u$2@registered.motzarella.org...
> Ringmaster's Psychiatrist wrote:
>> "measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
>> news:KXMEk.2047$ZP4.570@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:19:21 -0600, Not Even Me wrote:
>>>
>>>> They decided a ribbon was better...I haven't figured out why, I don't
>>>> like
>>>> it either.
>>>> I gave the computer with Office 2007 preinstalled to my wife (she
>>>> rarely
>>>> uses Office for anything but opening .doc or .pps files).
>>>> I still use Office XP on my personal machine and it's fine. I also use
>>>> Open
>>>> Office on several machines at work.
>>>> I like it almost as well, and the price is so much better.
>>>> Unless you use Office a LOT, Open Office is a better choice from a
>>>> cost/benefit perspective.
>>>> From what I have seen of Office 2007, OO is a better choice all around.
>>>> I don't do spreadsheets or presentations.
>>>> I use word processing sometimes, but that's about it.
>>>
>>> OpenOffice is free and functions better when using graphics. All future
>>> upgrades is free and is runs on Windows, Mac and Linux so it is also
>>> more
>>> flexible.
>>>

>> Maybe you can use OpenOffice to write your Jerk Count posts
>>
>>

>
> It will be interesting to check out the new Open Office that will be
> bundled with the new Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. As of now, MS Office 2003 is
> the best out there but that might change this month.
>
> Alias


You are correct, MS Office is the best out there, but I seriously doubt that
the new Open Office would come close to the functionality of Office 2003.
 
A

Alias

Ringmaster's Psychiatrist wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gc06jb$17u$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Ringmaster's Psychiatrist wrote:
>>> "measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
>>> news:KXMEk.2047$ZP4.570@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>> On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:19:21 -0600, Not Even Me wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They decided a ribbon was better...I haven't figured out why, I don't
>>>>> like
>>>>> it either.
>>>>> I gave the computer with Office 2007 preinstalled to my wife (she
>>>>> rarely
>>>>> uses Office for anything but opening .doc or .pps files).
>>>>> I still use Office XP on my personal machine and it's fine. I also use
>>>>> Open
>>>>> Office on several machines at work.
>>>>> I like it almost as well, and the price is so much better.
>>>>> Unless you use Office a LOT, Open Office is a better choice from a
>>>>> cost/benefit perspective.
>>>>> From what I have seen of Office 2007, OO is a better choice all around.
>>>>> I don't do spreadsheets or presentations.
>>>>> I use word processing sometimes, but that's about it.
>>>> OpenOffice is free and functions better when using graphics. All future
>>>> upgrades is free and is runs on Windows, Mac and Linux so it is also
>>>> more
>>>> flexible.
>>>>
>>> Maybe you can use OpenOffice to write your Jerk Count posts
>>>
>>>

>> It will be interesting to check out the new Open Office that will be
>> bundled with the new Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. As of now, MS Office 2003 is
>> the best out there but that might change this month.
>>
>> Alias

>
> You are correct, MS Office is the best out there, but I seriously doubt that
> the new Open Office would come close to the functionality of Office 2003.
>
>


I don't know and, frankly, faith has nothing to do with it. I will wait
to check out the new version of Open Office before judging it and I
suggest you do the same.

Alias
 
R

Ringmaster's Psychiatrist

"Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:gc0877$9ur$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Ringmaster's Psychiatrist wrote:
>> "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:gc06jb$17u$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Ringmaster's Psychiatrist wrote:
>>>> "measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:KXMEk.2047$ZP4.570@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>> On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:19:21 -0600, Not Even Me wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> They decided a ribbon was better...I haven't figured out why, I don't
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> it either.
>>>>>> I gave the computer with Office 2007 preinstalled to my wife (she
>>>>>> rarely
>>>>>> uses Office for anything but opening .doc or .pps files).
>>>>>> I still use Office XP on my personal machine and it's fine. I also
>>>>>> use Open
>>>>>> Office on several machines at work.
>>>>>> I like it almost as well, and the price is so much better.
>>>>>> Unless you use Office a LOT, Open Office is a better choice from a
>>>>>> cost/benefit perspective.
>>>>>> From what I have seen of Office 2007, OO is a better choice all
>>>>>> around.
>>>>>> I don't do spreadsheets or presentations.
>>>>>> I use word processing sometimes, but that's about it.
>>>>> OpenOffice is free and functions better when using graphics. All
>>>>> future
>>>>> upgrades is free and is runs on Windows, Mac and Linux so it is also
>>>>> more
>>>>> flexible.
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe you can use OpenOffice to write your Jerk Count posts
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It will be interesting to check out the new Open Office that will be
>>> bundled with the new Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. As of now, MS Office 2003 is
>>> the best out there but that might change this month.
>>>
>>> Alias

>>
>> You are correct, MS Office is the best out there, but I seriously doubt
>> that the new Open Office would come close to the functionality of Office
>> 2003.
>>
>>

>
> I don't know and, frankly, faith has nothing to do with it. I will wait to
> check out the new version of Open Office before judging it and I suggest
> you do the same.
>
> Alias


I don't need to check out the new version of Open Office. Since I am on a
Windows platform and all my dealings are with MS products, what would Open
Office do for me? Anyway, all the MS products that I use are FREE to me.
 
R

Ringmaster

On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:30:08 -0700, "Ringmaster's Psychiatrist"
<ringmaster@psyc.com> wrote:

>
>"Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>news:gc0877$9ur$1@registered.motzarella.org...


>> I don't know and, frankly, faith has nothing to do with it. I will wait to
>> check out the new version of Open Office before judging it and I suggest
>> you do the same.
>>
>> Alias

>
>I don't need to check out the new version of Open Office. Since I am on a
>Windows platform and all my dealings are with MS products, what would Open
>Office do for me? Anyway, all the MS products that I use are FREE to me.


I really am enjoying seeing you expose your inner-self. You limit
yourself to "MS products" my, my, what a little world you live in. No
wonder you're so partisan, you get MS software for free. You won't
even try other products, yet you automatically condemn them and label
them as inferior. I'm thinking we're making real progress in
understanding how you "think", you don't.

As you know I've talked about Sony's Vegas many times. I think it is
the best video editor on the Windows platform. Still I keep trying
OTHER products because I'm open minded enough to consider the
possibility somebody else just might have something better.

You on the other hand won't even look at alternatives to MS software,
yet you automatically reject alternatives without even trying them,
and call them inferior.

Yep, I'm understanding you better and better as we go along. Got more
things you want to share about your "reasoning" process?
 
R

Ringmaster's Psychiatrist

"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
news:eek:hb7e4t1crri46n059dk2nuref0idbqdso@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:30:08 -0700, "Ringmaster's Psychiatrist"
> <ringmaster@psyc.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:gc0877$9ur$1@registered.motzarella.org...

>
>>> I don't know and, frankly, faith has nothing to do with it. I will wait
>>> to
>>> check out the new version of Open Office before judging it and I suggest
>>> you do the same.
>>>
>>> Alias

>>
>>I don't need to check out the new version of Open Office. Since I am on a
>>Windows platform and all my dealings are with MS products, what would Open
>>Office do for me? Anyway, all the MS products that I use are FREE to me.

>
> I really am enjoying seeing you expose your inner-self. You limit
> yourself to "MS products" my, my, what a little world you live in. No
> wonder you're so partisan, you get MS software for free. You won't
> even try other products, yet you automatically condemn them and label
> them as inferior. I'm thinking we're making real progress in
> understanding how you "think", you don't.


I don't limit myself to MS products. I also have a Mac Pro and I run Final
Cut for my video editing. I also have Sony Vegas 8.0c on my PC. I use to
use Sony Vegas but now I use Final Cut. There goes your theory right out
the window.

I have tried Ubuntu and I still have a machine with Ubuntu and Open Office
on it. It just doesn't do anything for me. Sorry.

>
> As you know I've talked about Sony's Vegas many times. I think it is
> the best video editor on the Windows platform. Still I keep trying
> OTHER products because I'm open minded enough to consider the
> possibility somebody else just might have something better.
>


I already responded to this with the above paragraph.


> You on the other hand won't even look at alternatives to MS software,
> yet you automatically reject alternatives without even trying them,
> and call them inferior.


Wrong again.


>
> Yep, I'm understanding you better and better as we go along. Got more
> things you want to share about your "reasoning" process?


Let me know what you have in mind.
 
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Alias

Ringmaster's Psychiatrist wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gc0877$9ur$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Ringmaster's Psychiatrist wrote:
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gc06jb$17u$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Ringmaster's Psychiatrist wrote:
>>>>> "measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:KXMEk.2047$ZP4.570@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:19:21 -0600, Not Even Me wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They decided a ribbon was better...I haven't figured out why, I don't
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> it either.
>>>>>>> I gave the computer with Office 2007 preinstalled to my wife (she
>>>>>>> rarely
>>>>>>> uses Office for anything but opening .doc or .pps files).
>>>>>>> I still use Office XP on my personal machine and it's fine. I also
>>>>>>> use Open
>>>>>>> Office on several machines at work.
>>>>>>> I like it almost as well, and the price is so much better.
>>>>>>> Unless you use Office a LOT, Open Office is a better choice from a
>>>>>>> cost/benefit perspective.
>>>>>>> From what I have seen of Office 2007, OO is a better choice all
>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>> I don't do spreadsheets or presentations.
>>>>>>> I use word processing sometimes, but that's about it.
>>>>>> OpenOffice is free and functions better when using graphics. All
>>>>>> future
>>>>>> upgrades is free and is runs on Windows, Mac and Linux so it is also
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> flexible.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you can use OpenOffice to write your Jerk Count posts
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It will be interesting to check out the new Open Office that will be
>>>> bundled with the new Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. As of now, MS Office 2003 is
>>>> the best out there but that might change this month.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>> You are correct, MS Office is the best out there, but I seriously doubt
>>> that the new Open Office would come close to the functionality of Office
>>> 2003.
>>>
>>>

>> I don't know and, frankly, faith has nothing to do with it. I will wait to
>> check out the new version of Open Office before judging it and I suggest
>> you do the same.
>>
>> Alias

>
> I don't need to check out the new version of Open Office. Since I am on a
> Windows platform and all my dealings are with MS products, what would Open
> Office do for me? Anyway, all the MS products that I use are FREE to me.


Then you have no place in this thread, now do you? Most people have to
pay an arm and a leg for Office. In Spain, 07 Ultimate goes for ONE
THOUSAND DOLLARS.

Alias
 
R

Ringmaster

On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:21:35 -0700, "Ringmaster's Psychiatrist"
<ringmaster@psyc.com> wrote:

>
>"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
>news:eek:hb7e4t1crri46n059dk2nuref0idbqdso@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:30:08 -0700, "Ringmaster's Psychiatrist"
>> <ringmaster@psyc.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:gc0877$9ur$1@registered.motzarella.org...

>>
>>>> I don't know and, frankly, faith has nothing to do with it. I will wait
>>>> to
>>>> check out the new version of Open Office before judging it and I suggest
>>>> you do the same.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>I don't need to check out the new version of Open Office. Since I am on a
>>>Windows platform and all my dealings are with MS products, what would Open
>>>Office do for me? Anyway, all the MS products that I use are FREE to me.

>>
>> I really am enjoying seeing you expose your inner-self. You limit
>> yourself to "MS products" my, my, what a little world you live in. No
>> wonder you're so partisan, you get MS software for free. You won't
>> even try other products, yet you automatically condemn them and label
>> them as inferior. I'm thinking we're making real progress in
>> understanding how you "think", you don't.

>
>I don't limit myself to MS products.


Hey Bub, here's what you said "...all my dealings are with MS
products" look up dummy it is just a couple paragraphs up.

Now try to blame me for you not knowing how to write.
 
R

Ringmaster's Psychiatrist

"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
news:kbg7e45emc00egq0tcbm7t4jjt4brdc0uq@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:21:35 -0700, "Ringmaster's Psychiatrist"
> <ringmaster@psyc.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
>>news:eek:hb7e4t1crri46n059dk2nuref0idbqdso@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:30:08 -0700, "Ringmaster's Psychiatrist"
>>> <ringmaster@psyc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:gc0877$9ur$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>>>> I don't know and, frankly, faith has nothing to do with it. I will
>>>>> wait
>>>>> to
>>>>> check out the new version of Open Office before judging it and I
>>>>> suggest
>>>>> you do the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>I don't need to check out the new version of Open Office. Since I am on
>>>>a
>>>>Windows platform and all my dealings are with MS products, what would
>>>>Open
>>>>Office do for me? Anyway, all the MS products that I use are FREE to
>>>>me.
>>>
>>> I really am enjoying seeing you expose your inner-self. You limit
>>> yourself to "MS products" my, my, what a little world you live in. No
>>> wonder you're so partisan, you get MS software for free. You won't
>>> even try other products, yet you automatically condemn them and label
>>> them as inferior. I'm thinking we're making real progress in
>>> understanding how you "think", you don't.

>>
>>I don't limit myself to MS products.

>
> Hey Bub, here's what you said "...all my dealings are with MS
> products" look up dummy it is just a couple paragraphs up.
>


You didn't take the complete sentence.

> Now try to blame me for you not knowing how to write.


When I am on the Windows platform, for work purposes, I only use Microsoft
products. When I am doing personal stuff like video editing I can either
use Sony Vegas on the PC or if I power up my MAC, I will use Final Cut
Express. Hope that clears up the confusion.
 
F

Frank

Alias wrote:

> kanehi wrote:
>
>> It's always a plus if you keep yourself up to date in what programs
>> businesses are using nowadays. To say that a program is idiotic because
>> of the interface is nonsense. You have to sell yourself when finding a
>> job and businesses does not cater to individuals. There are other job
>> seekers who are more qualified. If a business uses Office 2007... learn
>> it and adapt.
>>
>>

>
> Or find a company that's sensible enough not to use it.
>
> Alias


Amazing! You're willing and able to shoot yourself in the foot and then
complain that you're hobbled!
You are a stupid lying troll!...LOL!
You are much dumber than originally thought!
 
F

Frank

Alias wrote:

> Ringmaster's Psychiatrist wrote:
>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:gc0642$v2f$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>>> Ringmaster's Psychiatrist wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:gc05or$t4t$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>
>>>>> kanehi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's always a plus if you keep yourself up to date in what programs
>>>>>> businesses are using nowadays. To say that a program is idiotic
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> of the interface is nonsense. You have to sell yourself when
>>>>>> finding a
>>>>>> job and businesses does not cater to individuals. There are other
>>>>>> job
>>>>>> seekers who are more qualified. If a business uses Office 2007...
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>> it and adapt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Or find a company that's sensible enough not to use it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> Companies have more sense using Office 2003 or 2007. When companies
>>>> use Open Office is when they start running into trouble. Sometimes
>>>> they see the error of their ways and ditch Open Office and return
>>>> back to MS Office.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I wasn't suggesting Open Office. From where did you get that conclusion?
>>>
>>> Alias

>>
>>
>>>>> Or find a company that's sensible enough not to use it.

>>
>>
>> So with that statement, what were you suggesting if NOT MS Office?
>>

>
> I didn't suggest using any office suite. That said, if you want MS, use
> Office 2003. If you want open source, use Open Office. My post said
> don't work for a company that uses Office 2007. Please read for content,
> not what you think I wrote or would write.
>
> Alias


We all love watching a stupid lying troll like you dancing for us!...LOL!
 
A

Alias

Rosco P Coltrane wrote:
> Hello eat this
>
> Hasta la Vista baby, we're just not interested
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10055786-75.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
>
>
> Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system is still playing second
> fiddle to XP with business users, with more enterprises confessing to
> checking out the unreleased Windows 7 OS than its predecessor.
> Windows Vista


And when they see the Office 07 ribbon decor, they will barf and call
the Linux Man.

Alias
 
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