Re: Time to leave WIN 98?

[98 Guy]

(I'm adding ms.p.w98.gd to this reply)

Nathan Bean wrote:

> as i continue looking for a new motherboard... tiger direct is
> leading me to this board... K8M890M-V Socket 939 Micro-ATX
> anybody using it?

Looks like you'll be able to get it functional in win-98 by
downloading the via drivers from here:

http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=6&CatID=1110

Specifically:

http://www.viaarena.com/Driver/VIA_HyperionPro_V512A.zip

(VIA Hyperion Pro Driver Package)

That board has PCI and PCI-e slots. You won't be able to get a pci-e
video card running on win-98, so you'll have to find a PCI video card.

If you are a die-hard AMD fan, you might want to look at this board:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=939Dual-VSTA&s=939

(Asrock 939Dual-VSTA)

It uses the ULi M1695 chipset, which seems to have win-98 support:

http://www.uli.com.tw/eng/support/drivers.php

(Note that ULi was purchased by NVidia in Dec. 2005)

Otherwise, you might want to look at this board:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=4COREDUAL-VSTA

(Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA)

It uses the VIA PT880 Ultra Chipset (same link as above for the
drivers). It can take DDR and DDR-2 memory, and it has a PCI-e
->AND<- AGP-8x slots. The downside to this board is that you won't
get the audio working so you'll have to use a separate sound card.

 

[Dan]

As 98/98SE gets older it will get harder and harder to buy new hardware that
is compatible with the operating system. The latest statistics from

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

show 98's market share to be down to 0.9%. I still think that about a 1%
market share is great for an operating system from 1998 -- 98 /1999 -- 98SE
One must also determine how reliable the satistics are on this page and I am
not sure if the stats. are just from the U.S.A or from all over the world.

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"98 Guy" wrote:

> (I'm adding ms.p.w98.gd to this reply)
>
> Nathan Bean wrote:
>
> > as i continue looking for a new motherboard... tiger direct is
> > leading me to this board... K8M890M-V Socket 939 Micro-ATX
> > anybody using it?
>
> Looks like you'll be able to get it functional in win-98 by
> downloading the via drivers from here:
>
> http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=6&CatID=1110
>
> Specifically:
>
> http://www.viaarena.com/Driver/VIA_HyperionPro_V512A.zip
>
> (VIA Hyperion Pro Driver Package)
>
> That board has PCI and PCI-e slots. You won't be able to get a pci-e
> video card running on win-98, so you'll have to find a PCI video card.
>
> If you are a die-hard AMD fan, you might want to look at this board:
>
> http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=939Dual-VSTA&s=939
>
> (Asrock 939Dual-VSTA)
>
> It uses the ULi M1695 chipset, which seems to have win-98 support:
>
> http://www.uli.com.tw/eng/support/drivers.php
>
> (Note that ULi was purchased by NVidia in Dec. 2005)
>
> Otherwise, you might want to look at this board:
>
> http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=4COREDUAL-VSTA
>
> (Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA)
>
> It uses the VIA PT880 Ultra Chipset (same link as above for the
> drivers). It can take DDR and DDR-2 memory, and it has a PCI-e
> ->AND<- AGP-8x slots. The downside to this board is that you won't
> get the audio working so you'll have to use a separate sound card.
>

 

[98 Guy]

Dan wrote:

> As 98/98SE gets older it will get harder and harder to buy new
> hardware that is compatible with the operating system.

I'm sure most would agree that the fact that there are still
motherboards made and sold today (Q-3 2007) that have win-98 support
at the chipset level has exceeded longevity and availability
expectations.

> The latest statistics from
>
> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
>
> show 98's market share to be down to 0.9%.

I would love to see google's numbers as to what browsers and OS's are
used to access their search page.

Another browser and OS stat page can be found here:

http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/June/os.php

Substitute any month or year in the above URL to get results for that
time frame.

That site is showing Win-98 currently at 2% - well above Vista (!).

If you compare the results from January and May (roughly the same
traffic counts for both) XP has declined by 1%, Win-2K and MAC have
remained the same (6% and 4%) but for some reason Win-NT has shot up
from 0% to 2%. It's almost as if a lot of win-98 systems were
replaced with NT this year. Strange.

A year ago (June 2006) Win-98 was at 5%.

There may well be more people (world-wide) running Win 3.x than Vista
right now.

Here's the stats for browser use:

http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/June/browser.php

 

[Dan]

I wonder if Windows NT might have shot up because Microsoft recently had some
kind of announcement that it would support Windows NT if the business had a
certain license with Microsoft. I think that annocement happened maybe 8
months ago or less but I am not sure. BTW, 98 Guy are you still applying
Internet Explorer 6 patches from Windows 2000 to your 98SE computer or has
that process made IE 6 very unstable. I am not worried since I have a good
strong router and now have domain access to work computer from home computer
which tightens the security standard even more for me. I think MEB has some
good ideas but I agree with you that the number #1 line of defense needs to
be a good strong hardware firewall built into the router that blocks
everything bad. I used to mistakenly think that the software firewall was
key but it is much less useful when you have a good first line of defense
because so much malware can disable or change its settings anyway. Another
thing that really bugs me recently I noticed how Creative had links to Free
AOL which I had to manually delete and the cd put the Free AOL link into my
trusted sites which I promptly deleted. Ati is up to this game as well with
having a Wild Tangent demo on their cd that is installed unless the user does
a custom installation. It makes me all the more just rely on the basic
driver from the website of the company. If companies add crap to that too
then I will be p_ssed. Thanks for listening to my thoughts on this and have
a great day.

"98 Guy" wrote:

> Dan wrote:
>
> > As 98/98SE gets older it will get harder and harder to buy new
> > hardware that is compatible with the operating system.
>
> I'm sure most would agree that the fact that there are still
> motherboards made and sold today (Q-3 2007) that have win-98 support
> at the chipset level has exceeded longevity and availability
> expectations.
>
> > The latest statistics from
> >
> > http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
> >
> > show 98's market share to be down to 0.9%.
>
> I would love to see google's numbers as to what browsers and OS's are
> used to access their search page.
>
> Another browser and OS stat page can be found here:
>
> http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/June/os.php
>
> Substitute any month or year in the above URL to get results for that
> time frame.
>
> That site is showing Win-98 currently at 2% - well above Vista (!).
>
> If you compare the results from January and May (roughly the same
> traffic counts for both) XP has declined by 1%, Win-2K and MAC have
> remained the same (6% and 4%) but for some reason Win-NT has shot up
> from 0% to 2%. It's almost as if a lot of win-98 systems were
> replaced with NT this year. Strange.
>
> A year ago (June 2006) Win-98 was at 5%.
>
> There may well be more people (world-wide) running Win 3.x than Vista
> right now.
>
> Here's the stats for browser use:
>
> http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/June/browser.php
>