Re: PING BRUCE HAGEN

[~BD~]

N. Miller wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:40:51 +0100, ¡ÂBD¡Â wrote:
>
>> I'm now using Quotefix as you recommended - I trust things appear
>> better at your end.

>>
>> As you are well aware, I'm really naive about the technicalities but
>> the header I'll add below doesn't (to me) appear to have been posted
>> through the web interface or through Google Groups.
>>
>> I'd be grateful if you'd tell me how I've misunderstood matters if
>> I've got it wrong. Thank you.
>
> It was not. The posting agent is MS Outlook Express, which can't be
> used with either the Microsoft communities web interface, or Google
> Groups. The posting agent for each appears as:S
>
>> User-Agent: G2/1.0 (for Google Groups)
>
> ... or:
>
>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
>
> ... for the Microsoft Communities web interface.
>
> The "Path:" and "Message-ID:" header lines are the clue. Along with
> knowing that MS Outlook Express does not send a "Message-ID:" header
> line, so the server adds one instead. The 'phx.gbl' domain is used by
> 'msnews.microsoft.com' for posts coming through that server via any
> NNTP posting agent, such as MS Outlook Express, which does not allow
> the user to set a domain for the MID$. Some NNTP posting agents, such
> as the Opera client (which I've tested elsewhere) and 40tude Dialog
> (which I am using for this article) do allow a custom domain to be
> set for the MID$.


Thank you Norman. I appreciate the time and trouble you have taken. I
have noted the test posts you have made as examples in
'microsof.public.test.here'.

So ........... is the following detail a forgery - or cannot you tell?
TIA


Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
References:






Subject: Re: PING BRUCE HAGEN
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:09:46 -0400
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X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
Message-ID:
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
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N. Miller wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:46:54 +0100, ¡ÂBD¡Â wrote:
>> Two new friends in another group tell me that PA Bear always posts
>> from
>> Google Groups. Do you agree with that?
>
> I have never seen a genuine PA Bear post come through Google Groups.
> While
> he uses a 'gmail.com' email address, I have not seen a PA Bear post
> from
> Google Groups. Not unless he is prone to using proxies, so his
> "NNTP-Posting-Host:" looks different. Something which could not be
> proven
> (that a proxy user is the same as somebody else, not that he is, or
> isn't
> using a proxy to access Google Groups).

I have no idea why how I post to NGs is anybody's business other than my
own
but yes, there are occasions when I post to a NG via Google Groups as
well
as via the MS web-interface.

 

[N. Miller]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:34:12 +0100, ¡ÂBD¡Â wrote:

> Thank you Norman. I appreciate the time and trouble you have taken. I
> have noted the test posts you have made as examples in
> 'microsof.public.test.here'.
>
> So ........... is the following detail a forgery - or cannot you tell?

Most likely not a forgery. Posted through 'msnews.microsoft.com', using MS
Outlook Express, and through an ISP known to be used by ...

What does it matter, anyway? Forge posting isn't common, or uncommon. I've
been forged, myself. I've also set up assorted "nyms" for posting, depending
on which group I post to though I try to keep a common "nym" on the MS help
groups. Your interest in a specific poster verges on obsession.

--
Norman
~deep in the night
~far off the light
~missing my headache

 

[~BD~]

N. Miller wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:34:12 +0100, ¡ÂBD¡Â wrote:
>
>> Thank you Norman. I appreciate the time and trouble you have taken. I
>> have noted the test posts you have made as examples in
>> 'microsof.public.test.here'.
>>
>> So ........... is the following detail a forgery - or cannot you
>> tell?
>
> Most likely not a forgery. Posted through 'msnews.microsoft.com',
> using MS Outlook Express, and through an ISP known to be used by ...

OK - it's probably not important at all - although not in accordance
with the statement made by PA Bear.


> What does it matter, anyway? Forge posting isn't common, or uncommon.
> I've been forged, myself. I've also set up assorted "nyms" for
> posting, depending on which group I post to though I try to keep a
> common "nym" on the MS help groups. Your interest in a specific
> poster verges on obsession.

It matters only because PA Bear has lied. I know that, he knows that and
God knows too. There's no way that *you* can really know the truth. More
is the shame! :>(

I picked up this ...........

How come I must know
where obsession needs to go?
How come I must know
the direction of relieving?


On my younger son's grave it says "Like the sun in the night". He was a
computer guru, btw!

I tell you the truth, Norman.
--
Dave

 

[FromTheRafters]

"N. Miller" wrote in message
news:g6ttfq9985v9.dlg@msnews.aosake.net...

>Your interest in a specific poster verges on obsession.

I think he passed "verge" some time back.

\

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Please stop feeding that troll. If you can't resist, at least stop
crossposting to OE General. Thanx

N. Miller wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:34:12 +0100, ¡ÂBD¡Â wrote:
>
>> Thank you Norman. I appreciate the time and trouble you have taken. I
>> have noted the test posts you have made as examples in
>> 'microsof.public.test.here'.
>>
>> So ........... is the following detail a forgery - or cannot you tell?
>
> Most likely not a forgery. Posted through 'msnews.microsoft.com', using MS
> Outlook Express, and through an ISP known to be used by ...
>
> What does it matter, anyway? Forge posting isn't common, or uncommon. I've
> been forged, myself. I've also set up assorted "nyms" for posting,
> depending
> on which group I post to though I try to keep a common "nym" on the MS
> help
> groups. Your interest in a specific poster verges on obsession.

 

[N. Miller]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:07:27 +0100, ¡ÂBD¡Â wrote:

> It matters only because PA Bear has lied ...

Which I can't prove, one way, or the other. So it doesn't matter to me waht
you say about him. Other than continuing to rattle on looks says more about
you than him.

> I picked up this ...........
>
> How come I must know
> where obsession needs to go?
> How come I must know
> the direction of relieving?

Performed by a group called, "See Saw". Composed by Kajiura Yuki for the
/.HACK//sign/ animated TV series from Japan. She has also composed for the
/Noir/ anime TV series, and the new anime series, /Pandora Hearts/, since
April, 2009.

Seemed appropriate, though.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

[At the very least, please stop crossposting his drivel to OE General]

N. Miller wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:07:27 +0100, ¡ÂBD¡Â wrote:
>
>> It matters only because PA Bear has lied ...
>
> Which I can't prove, one way, or the other. So it doesn't matter to me
> waht
> you say about him. Other than continuing to rattle on looks says more
> about
> you than him.
>
>> I picked up this ...........
>>
>> How come I must know
>> where obsession needs to go?
>> How come I must know
>> the direction of relieving?
>
> Performed by a group called, "See Saw". Composed by Kajiura Yuki for the
> /.HACK//sign/ animated TV series from Japan. She has also composed for the
> /Noir/ anime TV series, and the new anime series, /Pandora Hearts/, since
> April, 2009.
>
> Seemed appropriate, though.

 

[N. Miller]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:03:03 -0400, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> [At the very least, please stop crossposting his drivel to OE General]

No one holding a gun to your head, forcing you to read his drivel. Is there?

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Nor yours

N. Miller wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:03:03 -0400, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>
>> [At the very least, please stop crossposting his drivel to OE General]
>
> No one holding a gun to your head, forcing you to read his drivel. Is
> there?

 

[~BD~]

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> Nor yours


Oh dear! Now you've done it, Norman!

This is PA Bear's space and you have challenged his position!

He gave me a some years ago (without reason IMO) - I'll bet you
he wishes now that he'd never done so!

My advice ......... Do not trust him.

--
Dave

 

[Twayne]

"~BD~" wrote in message
news:eIGUzQHEKHA.1516@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> Nor yours
>
>
> Oh dear! Now you've done it, Norman!
>
> This is PA Bear's space and you have challenged his position!
>
> He gave me a some years ago (without reason IMO) - I'll bet
> you he wishes now that he'd never done so!
>
> My advice ......... Do not trust him.

Cross posted to several invisible newsgroups so paw won't have to do it.