How to remove a half installation

[Tim Walters]

I had to restore a mirror image of Drive C. I did this by installing a new
version of W2K on Drive D, then installing Norton Ghost 9, then restoring C
from an external HD.

When I reboot, the old main W2K installation works well, but there are two
problems.

1. On a restart, I get the option of 2 W2K installations. I assumed the
second was the new installation on Drive D. But it isn't. In fact, it seems
to be half-installation of a second copy of W2K on Drive C. (It has a folder
called WINDOWS and another called WINNT. Is the half-installation in WINNT?)

2. I don't get the option to run the Drive D installation at all.

So what I want to do is to remove the half-installation on Drive C and have
the option to run the new installation on Drive D.

Thanks for any help.

 

[Dave Patrick]

Do you need help modifying boot.ini or removing the directory structure? If
the former please post unedited boot.ini


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"Tim Walters" wrote:
>I had to restore a mirror image of Drive C. I did this by installing a new
>version of W2K on Drive D, then installing Norton Ghost 9, then restoring C
>from an external HD.
>
> When I reboot, the old main W2K installation works well, but there are two
> problems.
>
> 1. On a restart, I get the option of 2 W2K installations. I assumed the
> second was the new installation on Drive D. But it isn't. In fact, it
> seems to be half-installation of a second copy of W2K on Drive C. (It has
> a folder called WINDOWS and another called WINNT. Is the half-installation
> in WINNT?)
>
> 2. I don't get the option to run the Drive D installation at all.
>
> So what I want to do is to remove the half-installation on Drive C and
> have the option to run the new installation on Drive D.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
>

 

[Sid Elbow]

Does Ghost 9 not give you the option of making DOS boot discs for
restoring (and creating actually) backup images? I know Ghost 8 does but
I think they dropped it somewhere along the line. It's by far the
simplest way to restore an image if you can't boot into the main OS.

In any event, they must have provided some way of restoring the image if
the existing OS is corrupt. Without having to do a temporary OS install
in order to access the Windows version of Ghost I mean - that doesn't
make sense.

Did you try simply booting from your Ghost 9 installation CD to see if
you can access restore from there?


Tim Walters wrote:
> I had to restore a mirror image of Drive C. I did this by installing a
> new version of W2K on Drive D, then installing Norton Ghost 9, then
> restoring C from an external HD.

 

[Tim Walters]

Thanks for the clue. I hadn't known what the starter file was caused.

What can I do about the half-installation (which I have now edited out of
boot.ini)? Can I just delete C:\WINNT?

Thanks



"Dave Patrick" wrote in message
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> Do you need help modifying boot.ini or removing the directory structure?
> If the former please post unedited boot.ini
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
> Microsoft Certified Professional
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>
>
> "Tim Walters" wrote:
>>I had to restore a mirror image of Drive C. I did this by installing a new
>>version of W2K on Drive D, then installing Norton Ghost 9, then restoring
>>C from an external HD.
>>
>> When I reboot, the old main W2K installation works well, but there are
>> two problems.
>>
>> 1. On a restart, I get the option of 2 W2K installations. I assumed the
>> second was the new installation on Drive D. But it isn't. In fact, it
>> seems to be half-installation of a second copy of W2K on Drive C. (It has
>> a folder called WINDOWS and another called WINNT. Is the
>> half-installation in WINNT?)
>>
>> 2. I don't get the option to run the Drive D installation at all.
>>
>> So what I want to do is to remove the half-installation on Drive C and
>> have the option to run the new installation on Drive D.
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Dave Patrick]

Rename it, then if no ill effects are seen you can delete it.



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"Tim Walters" wrote:
> Thanks for the clue. I hadn't known what the starter file was caused.
>
> What can I do about the half-installation (which I have now edited out of
> boot.ini)? Can I just delete C:WINNT?
>
> Thanks

 

[Tim Walters]

The simple ideas ideas are usually the best.

Thanks a lot for all your help. Much appreciated.

Tim



"Dave Patrick" wrote in message
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> Rename it, then if no ill effects are seen you can delete it.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
> Microsoft Certified Professional
> Microsoft MVP [Windows]
> http://www.microsoft.com/protect
>
>
> "Tim Walters" wrote:
>> Thanks for the clue. I hadn't known what the starter file was caused.
>>
>> What can I do about the half-installation (which I have now edited out of
>> boot.ini)? Can I just delete C:WINNT?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>

 

[Tim Walters]

I'm not sure I understand you (or that I expressed myself properly). I think
Ghost 9 needs a different CD programme to restore a mirror image from
bootup. I don't have it. What I can do is install Ghost on D to restore C,
and vice versa.

Tim


"Sid Elbow" wrote in message
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>
>
> Does Ghost 9 not give you the option of making DOS boot discs for
> restoring (and creating actually) backup images? I know Ghost 8 does but I
> think they dropped it somewhere along the line. It's by far the simplest
> way to restore an image if you can't boot into the main OS.
>
> In any event, they must have provided some way of restoring the image if
> the existing OS is corrupt. Without having to do a temporary OS install in
> order to access the Windows version of Ghost I mean - that doesn't make
> sense.
>
> Did you try simply booting from your Ghost 9 installation CD to see if you
> can access restore from there?



Hm. Actually, no. I never tried to do that. You might be right.


>
>
> Tim Walters wrote:
>> I had to restore a mirror image of Drive C. I did this by installing a
>> new version of W2K on Drive D, then installing Norton Ghost 9, then
>> restoring C from an external HD.
>

 

[Dave Patrick]

You're welcome.



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"Tim Walters" wrote:
> The simple ideas ideas are usually the best.
>
> Thanks a lot for all your help. Much appreciated.
>
> Tim

 

[Sid Elbow]

Or perhaps I misunderstood you: it seemed to me you were saying that, in
order to restore a backup of the Windows image on c: you:

a) did a second windows installation on D:

booted to the second windows installation on D and installed Ghost
to windows.
c) used that installation of Ghost to restore the backup of the C-drive

If that was what you meant (and I apologise if it isn't) then it's
certainly not the way Symantec intends it to be done. If you lose you
main operating system installation there has to be a way of restoring a
backup from scratch.

Certainly, up to Ghost-8 you could make a DOS boot floppy (or make a
boot-cd from those if you wished) which would allow you to both backup
and restore without booting into windows. That option (making a boot
floppy) was removed at some point (with Ghost-9 I think) but there had
to be an equivalent replacement. Most logically by booting directly to
the Ghost install CD which would then give you restore options.




Tim Walters wrote:
> I'm not sure I understand you (or that I expressed myself properly). I
> think Ghost 9 needs a different CD programme to restore a mirror image
> from bootup. I don't have it. What I can do is install Ghost on D to
> restore C, and vice versa.
>
> Tim
>
>
> "Sid Elbow" wrote in message
> news:002102ab$0$6365$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>
>>
>> Does Ghost 9 not give you the option of making DOS boot discs for
>> restoring (and creating actually) backup images? I know Ghost 8 does
>> but I think they dropped it somewhere along the line. It's by far the
>> simplest way to restore an image if you can't boot into the main OS.
>>
>> In any event, they must have provided some way of restoring the image
>> if the existing OS is corrupt. Without having to do a temporary OS
>> install in order to access the Windows version of Ghost I mean - that
>> doesn't make sense.
>>
>> Did you try simply booting from your Ghost 9 installation CD to see if
>> you can access restore from there?
>
>
>
> Hm. Actually, no. I never tried to do that. You might be right.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Tim Walters wrote:
>>> I had to restore a mirror image of Drive C. I did this by installing
>>> a new version of W2K on Drive D, then installing Norton Ghost 9, then
>>> restoring C from an external HD.
>>
>
>

 

[Tim Walters]

I tried to boot from the Ghost CD and it didn´t work. However, that might
not be so significant because I can't boot from the W2K installation CD
either. What happens is that something called Caldera DR-DOS gets loaded.
Then, if I try to run the CD, I get the message that this programme cannot
run under Dos.

If I go into the I386 subdir and run WINNT.EXE I get the message:

An internal Setup error has occurred.
Could not find a place for a swap file.
Setup cannot continue. Pess ENTER to exit.

I have tried to get out from Dos using the command "exit", but it seems to
have no effect.

Any ideas?


"Sid Elbow" wrote in message
news:00217aef$0$11347$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> Or perhaps I misunderstood you: it seemed to me you were saying that, in
> order to restore a backup of the Windows image on c: you:
>
> a) did a second windows installation on D:
>

booted to the second windows installation on D and installed Ghost to
> windows.
> c) used that installation of Ghost to restore the backup of the C-drive
>
> If that was what you meant (and I apologise if it isn't) then it's
> certainly not the way Symantec intends it to be done. If you lose you main
> operating system installation there has to be a way of restoring a backup
> from scratch.
>
> Certainly, up to Ghost-8 you could make a DOS boot floppy (or make a
> boot-cd from those if you wished) which would allow you to both backup and
> restore without booting into windows. That option (making a boot floppy)
> was removed at some point (with Ghost-9 I think) but there had to be an
> equivalent replacement. Most logically by booting directly to the Ghost
> install CD which would then give you restore options.
>
>
>
>
> Tim Walters wrote:
>> I'm not sure I understand you (or that I expressed myself properly). I
>> think Ghost 9 needs a different CD programme to restore a mirror image
>> from bootup. I don't have it. What I can do is install Ghost on D to
>> restore C, and vice versa.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> "Sid Elbow" wrote in message
>> news:002102ab$0$6365$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> Does Ghost 9 not give you the option of making DOS boot discs for
>>> restoring (and creating actually) backup images? I know Ghost 8 does but
>>> I think they dropped it somewhere along the line. It's by far the
>>> simplest way to restore an image if you can't boot into the main OS.
>>>
>>> In any event, they must have provided some way of restoring the image if
>>> the existing OS is corrupt. Without having to do a temporary OS install
>>> in order to access the Windows version of Ghost I mean - that doesn't
>>> make sense.
>>>
>>> Did you try simply booting from your Ghost 9 installation CD to see if
>>> you can access restore from there?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hm. Actually, no. I never tried to do that. You might be right.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Walters wrote:
>>>> I had to restore a mirror image of Drive C. I did this by installing a
>>>> new version of W2K on Drive D, then installing Norton Ghost 9, then
>>>> restoring C from an external HD.
>>>
>>
>>
>

 

[Sid Elbow]

I just found that I actually have Ghost 9 .... I didn't use it because I
preferred Ghost-8.

This is what happens when I try it:

- put CD in drive and reboot the machine
- CD boots, message "examining your system"
- A windows-type gas gauge appears on the bottom of the screen with a
"Symantec Ghost Loading" (or some such) message

- Takes a l-o-n-g while but finally the system boots to a licence screen
and then to an options selection window.

- select "advanced" and one of the subsequent selections is for system
recovery.

I never saw any overt signs of DR-DOS but I wouldn't be surprised if
this is all running under it (DR-DOS). That's what Symantec normally
uses to avoid the licence implications of MS-DOS.

I also discovered the reason I never progressed to Ghost-9. It is very
bloated compared to earlier versions, and abysmally slow. Ghost 8 does
all I want much faster.

NOTE: If your machine won't boot from either the Ghost or Windows CD you
need to go into the system BIOS. Watch the screen when you first turn it
on and it will tell you which key to press to enter SETUP (often the
"DEL" key).

In the BIOS, set the boot sequence to boot from CD first.






Tim Walters wrote:
> I tried to boot from the Ghost CD and it didn´t work. However, that might
> not be so significant because I can't boot from the W2K installation CD
> either. What happens is that something called Caldera DR-DOS gets loaded.
> Then, if I try to run the CD, I get the message that this programme cannot
> run under Dos.
>
> If I go into the I386 subdir and run WINNT.EXE I get the message:
>
> An internal Setup error has occurred.
> Could not find a place for a swap file.
> Setup cannot continue. Pess ENTER to exit.
>
> I have tried to get out from Dos using the command "exit", but it seems to
> have no effect.

 

[BillW50]

In news:3428q2.off.19.1@news.alt.net,
Tim Walters typed on Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:38:08 +0100:
> I tried to boot from the Ghost CD and it didn´t work.

I run Ghost from BartPE CD-ROM, so I don't know how a Ghost CD works.

> However, that might not be so significant because I can't boot from
> the W2K installation CD either.

W2K disc should pop up a message to press a key to boot from CD. If you
don't press a key in a few seconds, it will not boot from the disc.

> What happens is that something called Caldera
> DR-DOS gets loaded.

Whoa! What disc is this? This is a clone of MS-DOS. This doesn't sound
like a W2K CD-ROM to me.

> Then, if I try to run the CD, I get the message
> that this programme cannot run under Dos.
>
> If I go into the I386 subdir and run WINNT.EXE I get the message:
>
> An internal Setup error has occurred.
> Could not find a place for a swap file.
> Setup cannot continue. Pess ENTER to exit.

This is normal, see the following:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/203128

> I have tried to get out from Dos using the command "exit", but it
> seems to have no effect.
>
> Any ideas?

Typing "exit" only works if the DOS window is running under Windows.
When you are running under DOS only, there is no shutdown. As you just
hit the power switch and that is it.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

 

[Tim Walters]

"Sid Elbow" wrote in message
news:00223e9a$0$24538$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>I just found that I actually have Ghost 9 .... I didn't use it because I
>preferred Ghost-8.
>
> This is what happens when I try it:
>
> - put CD in drive and reboot the machine
> - CD boots, message "examining your system"
> - A windows-type gas gauge appears on the bottom of the screen with a
> "Symantec Ghost Loading" (or some such) message
>
> - Takes a l-o-n-g while but finally the system boots to a licence screen
> and then to an options selection window.
>
> - select "advanced" and one of the subsequent selections is for system
> recovery.


I'll try it again.


>
> I never saw any overt signs of DR-DOS but I wouldn't be surprised if this
> is all running under it (DR-DOS). That's what Symantec normally uses to
> avoid the licence implications of MS-DOS.


Sorry. I didn't express myself clearly. The Ghost 9 boot attempt invites me
to press Enter, then it loads Windows from Drive C normally. DR-DOS doesn't
appear at all. DR-DOS loads when I try to boot from the W2K CD, but I don't
believe it is coming from the CD. (It's loaded just too quickly.) I think it
is loaded from the computer.



>
> I also discovered the reason I never progressed to Ghost-9. It is very
> bloated compared to earlier versions, and abysmally slow. Ghost 8 does all
> I want much faster.
>
> NOTE: If your machine won't boot from either the Ghost or Windows CD you
> need to go into the system BIOS. Watch the screen when you first turn it
> on and it will tell you which key to press to enter SETUP (often the "DEL"
> key).
>
> In the BIOS, set the boot sequence to boot from CD first.
>



Yes., I've done this.



>
>
>
>
>
> Tim Walters wrote:
>> I tried to boot from the Ghost CD and it didn´t work. However, that might
>> not be so significant because I can't boot from the W2K installation CD
>> either. What happens is that something called Caldera DR-DOS gets loaded.
>> Then, if I try to run the CD, I get the message that this programme
>> cannot
>> run under Dos.
>>
>> If I go into the I386 subdir and run WINNT.EXE I get the message:
>>
>> An internal Setup error has occurred.
>> Could not find a place for a swap file.
>> Setup cannot continue. Pess ENTER to exit.
>>
>> I have tried to get out from Dos using the command "exit", but it seems
>> to
>> have no effect.
>

 

[Tim Walters]

"BillW50" wrote in message
news:OQIQeVJMKHA.3192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> In news:3428q2.off.19.1@news.alt.net,
> Tim Walters typed on Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:38:08 +0100:
>> I tried to boot from the Ghost CD and it didn´t work.
>
> I run Ghost from BartPE CD-ROM, so I don't know how a Ghost CD works.
>
>> However, that might not be so significant because I can't boot from the
>> W2K installation CD either.
>
> W2K disc should pop up a message to press a key to boot from CD. If you
> don't press a key in a few seconds, it will not boot from the disc.


That message does not appear.


>
>> What happens is that something called Caldera
>> DR-DOS gets loaded.
>
> Whoa! What disc is this? This is a clone of MS-DOS. This doesn't sound
> like a W2K CD-ROM to me.


The disk is a genuine W2K CD. Although I bought it in Spain, it is in
English, and the computer we're talking about was bought in the UK.

I don't think the DR-DOS is being loaded from the CD I think it's loading
from the computer.


>
>> Then, if I try to run the CD, I get the message
>> that this programme cannot run under Dos.
>>
>> If I go into the I386 subdir and run WINNT.EXE I get the message:
>>
>> An internal Setup error has occurred.
>> Could not find a place for a swap file.
>> Setup cannot continue. Pess ENTER to exit.
>
> This is normal, see the following:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/203128


I didn't find the message "Could not find a place for a swap file" on this
page. I did a search for it throughout the website, but there was nothing.



>
>> I have tried to get out from Dos using the command "exit", but it
>> seems to have no effect.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
> Typing "exit" only works if the DOS window is running under Windows. When
> you are running under DOS only, there is no shutdown. As you just hit the
> power switch and that is it.


So why won't the CD run under Dos?



>
> --
> Bill
> Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2
>
>

 

[Dave Patrick]

I agree. The fixed disk has DR-DOS and dos boot sector on it. You can change
the boot order in cmos setup, then

To do a clean install, either boot the Windows 2000 install CD-Rom or setup
disks. The set of four install disks can be created from your Windows 2000
CD-Rom change to the \bootdisk directory on the CD-Rom and execute
makeboot.exe (from dos) or makebt32.exe (from 32 bit) and follow the
prompts.

(Note: If your drive controller is not natively supported then you'll want
to boot the Windows 2000 install CD-Rom. Then *F6* very early and very
important (at setup is inspecting your system) in the setup to prevent drive
controller detection, and select S to specify additional drivers. Then later
you'll be prompted to insert the manufacturer supplied Windows 2000 driver
for your drive controller in drive "A")

Setup inspects your computer's hardware configuration and then begins to
install the Setup and driver files. When the Windows 2000 Professional
screen appears, press ENTER to set up Windows 2000 Professional.

Read the license agreement, and then press the F8 key to accept the terms of
the license agreement and continue the installation.

When the Windows 2000 Professional Setup screen appears, all the existing
partitions and the unpartitioned spaces are listed for each physical hard
disk. Use the ARROW keys to select the partitions Press D to delete an
existing partition, If you press D to delete an existing partition, you must
then press L (or press ENTER, and then press L if it is the System
partition) to confirm that you want to delete the partition. Repeat this
step for each of the existing partitions When all the partitions are deleted
press F3 to exit setup, (to avoid unexpected drive letter assignments with
your new install) then restart the pc then when you get to this point in
setup again select the unpartitioned space, and then press C to create a new
partition and specify the size (if required). Windows will by default use
all available space.

Be sure to apply SP4 and these two below to your new install before
connecting to any network. Internet included. (sasser, msblast)
http://download.microsoft.com/download/E/6...E/W2KSP4_EN.EXE
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/...n/MS03-043.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/...n/MS03-049.mspx


Then

Rollup 1 for Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...&displaylang=en
and
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/...n/MS08-067.mspx



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Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
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Microsoft MVP [Windows]
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"Tim Walters" wrote:
> That message does not appear.
>
>
> The disk is a genuine W2K CD. Although I bought it in Spain, it is in
> English, and the computer we're talking about was bought in the UK.
>
> I don't think the DR-DOS is being loaded from the CD I think it's loading
> from the computer.
>
>