Do you loose the admin TS license whenin applicztion mode with Device CALs

[Tony Vrolyk]

We have taken over a client with Windows 2003 with TS in application mode
that is in need of additional TS device CALs and we need to know if we
should count devices where we login to administer the server. I can see
devices listed in the licensing manager that I know were only used to login
as administrator so it would seem we need to count those as well. However I
did not see the PC I was connected from at the time so I am bit confused. I
read the TS licensing documentation and couldn't find anything that
explicityly said either way that you loose the admin licenses or not.

I would appreciate some enlightenment.

Thanks
Tony

 

[Cláudio Rodrigues [MVP]]

RE: Do you loose the admin TS license whenin applicztion mode with Dev

If you are always managing the TSs from the same device, it will indeed grab
a license. Keep in mind if you use one device for a couple weeks and never
again, that license goes back to the pool after up to 89 days so you actually
do not 'lose' that license.

Cláudio Rodrigues
CEO, WTSLabs Inc.

http://www.wtslabs.com

Citrix CTP
Quest Provision Networks VIP

"Tony Vrolyk" wrote:

> We have taken over a client with Windows 2003 with TS in application mode
> that is in need of additional TS device CALs and we need to know if we
> should count devices where we login to administer the server. I can see
> devices listed in the licensing manager that I know were only used to login
> as administrator so it would seem we need to count those as well. However I
> did not see the PC I was connected from at the time so I am bit confused. I
> read the TS licensing documentation and couldn't find anything that
> explicityly said either way that you loose the admin licenses or not.
>
> I would appreciate some enlightenment.
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>

 

[Tony Vrolyk]

Re: Do you loose the admin TS license whenin applicztion mode with Dev

You don't lose the token permanently, but you do lose those tokens for a
time which can take up a token that is intended for a 'real' client should
that client's temp token expire and there are no others available.
Especially if you administer the server from multiple devices. Even if you
try to only administer from one remote location there is always the
possibilty of accidentally connecting in from a different device and once
the session is established there is no way to invalidate the token.

And you do loose the two built-in administrative TS licenses, don't you? TS
has no way of differentiating between an 'application sharing' user and an
'administrator' user at least from a licensing perspective - correct?

Tony

"Cláudio Rodrigues [MVP]"
wrote in message news:C2A40FC5-E616-4E18-B76C-8ACDDCEDBF18@microsoft.com...
> If you are always managing the TSs from the same device, it will indeed
> grab
> a license. Keep in mind if you use one device for a couple weeks and never
> again, that license goes back to the pool after up to 89 days so you
> actually
> do not 'lose' that license.
>
> Cláudio Rodrigues
> CEO, WTSLabs Inc.
>
> http://www.wtslabs.com
>
> Citrix CTP
> Quest Provision Networks VIP
>
> "Tony Vrolyk" wrote:
>
>> We have taken over a client with Windows 2003 with TS in application mode
>> that is in need of additional TS device CALs and we need to know if we
>> should count devices where we login to administer the server. I can see
>> devices listed in the licensing manager that I know were only used to
>> login
>> as administrator so it would seem we need to count those as well. However
>> I
>> did not see the PC I was connected from at the time so I am bit confused.
>> I
>> read the TS licensing documentation and couldn't find anything that
>> explicityly said either way that you loose the admin licenses or not.
>>
>> I would appreciate some enlightenment.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>

 

[Cl‡audio Rodrigues]

Re: Do you loose the admin TS license whenin applicztion mode withDev

Tony Vrolyk wrote:
> You don't lose the token permanently, but you do lose those tokens for a
> time which can take up a token that is intended for a 'real' client should
> that client's temp token expire and there are no others available.
> Especially if you administer the server from multiple devices. Even if you
> try to only administer from one remote location there is always the
> possibilty of accidentally connecting in from a different device and once
> the session is established there is no way to invalidate the token.
>
> And you do loose the two built-in administrative TS licenses, don't you? TS
> has no way of differentiating between an 'application sharing' user and an
> 'administrator' user at least from a licensing perspective - correct?
>
> Tony
>
> "Cláudio Rodrigues [MVP]"
> wrote in message news:C2A40FC5-E616-4E18-B76C-8ACDDCEDBF18@microsoft.com...
>> If you are always managing the TSs from the same device, it will indeed
>> grab
>> a license. Keep in mind if you use one device for a couple weeks and never
>> again, that license goes back to the pool after up to 89 days so you
>> actually
>> do not 'lose' that license.
>>
>> Cláudio Rodrigues
>> CEO, WTSLabs Inc.
>>
>> http://www.wtslabs.com
>>
>> Citrix CTP
>> Quest Provision Networks VIP
>>
>> "Tony Vrolyk" wrote:
>>
>>> We have taken over a client with Windows 2003 with TS in application mode
>>> that is in need of additional TS device CALs and we need to know if we
>>> should count devices where we login to administer the server. I can see
>>> devices listed in the licensing manager that I know were only used to
>>> login
>>> as administrator so it would seem we need to count those as well. However
>>> I
>>> did not see the PC I was connected from at the time so I am bit confused.
>>> I
>>> read the TS licensing documentation and couldn't find anything that
>>> explicityly said either way that you loose the admin licenses or not.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate some enlightenment.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
Correct. Well when a client needs a license you can always get rid of
the temporary, expired license that is on their PC. So really at the end
you should have no issues whatsoever.

--
Claudio Rodrigues
CEO, WTSLabs Inc.

http://www.wtslabs.com
"WebTS: TSWeb the way it should have been done since day one"

Citrix CTP
Provision Networks VIP

Make sure you download our free guide about Terminal Services.
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[Silvia Doomra [MSFT]]

For Administrators you can use /admin switch. I.e. mstsc /admin

this won't consume a CAL.
For more details, please check:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947723

Hope that helps!
Thanks
Silvia
Remote Desktop Services Team Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/rds

"Tony Vrolyk" wrote in message
news:#5uX$qdRKHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> We have taken over a client with Windows 2003 with TS in application mode
> that is in need of additional TS device CALs and we need to know if we
> should count devices where we login to administer the server. I can see
> devices listed in the licensing manager that I know were only used to
> login as administrator so it would seem we need to count those as well.
> However I did not see the PC I was connected from at the time so I am bit
> confused. I read the TS licensing documentation and couldn't find anything
> that explicityly said either way that you loose the admin licenses or not.
>
> I would appreciate some enlightenment.
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>

 

[Tony Vrolyk]

Thank you. I didn't know that switch existed and will perfectly deal with
the situation.

Tony


"Silvia Doomra [MSFT]" wrote in message
news:usHZc0mRKHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> For Administrators you can use /admin switch. I.e. mstsc /admin
>
> this won't consume a CAL.
> For more details, please check:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947723
>
> Hope that helps!
> Thanks
> Silvia
> Remote Desktop Services Team Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/rds
>
> "Tony Vrolyk" wrote in message
> news:#5uX$qdRKHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> We have taken over a client with Windows 2003 with TS in application mode
>> that is in need of additional TS device CALs and we need to know if we
>> should count devices where we login to administer the server. I can see
>> devices listed in the licensing manager that I know were only used to
>> login as administrator so it would seem we need to count those as well.
>> However I did not see the PC I was connected from at the time so I am bit
>> confused. I read the TS licensing documentation and couldn't find
>> anything that explicityly said either way that you loose the admin
>> licenses or not.
>>
>> I would appreciate some enlightenment.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tony
>>

 

[Cláudio Rodrigues [MVP]]

Re: Do you loose the admin TS license whenin applicztion mode with

Oh my bad not mentioning it. If connecting using older clients the switch is
actually /console. /admin is for the newer ones/newer servers.
But there is a catch here. You are limited to two connections over RDP plus
the console itself.
I know many places where they require more than 2 admins connected so in
this case this would not work at all.
Also be careful as if you connect using this switch and your connection
drops and remains active on the TS, as soon as you reach the two active
connections limit you will NOT be able to connect again remotely. I have seen
people locked out several times.
Make sure you set timeouts accordingly to avoid locking yourself up.
Without the switch this problem does NOT happen of course.

--
Claudio Rodrigues
CEO, WTSLabs Inc.

http://www.wtslabs.com
"WebTS: TSWeb the way it should have been done since day one"

Citrix CTP
Provision Networks VIP

Make sure you download our free guide about Terminal Services.
An A to Z guide, explaining everything, from setting it up to enabling
group policies. A must read and again, completely free.


"Tony Vrolyk" wrote:

> Thank you. I didn't know that switch existed and will perfectly deal with
> the situation.
>
> Tony
>
>
> "Silvia Doomra [MSFT]" wrote in message
> news:usHZc0mRKHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > For Administrators you can use /admin switch. I.e. mstsc /admin
> >
> > this won't consume a CAL.
> > For more details, please check:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947723
> >
> > Hope that helps!
> > Thanks
> > Silvia
> > Remote Desktop Services Team Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/rds
> >
> > "Tony Vrolyk" wrote in message
> > news:#5uX$qdRKHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> We have taken over a client with Windows 2003 with TS in application mode
> >> that is in need of additional TS device CALs and we need to know if we
> >> should count devices where we login to administer the server. I can see
> >> devices listed in the licensing manager that I know were only used to
> >> login as administrator so it would seem we need to count those as well.
> >> However I did not see the PC I was connected from at the time so I am bit
> >> confused. I read the TS licensing documentation and couldn't find
> >> anything that explicityly said either way that you loose the admin
> >> licenses or not.
> >>
> >> I would appreciate some enlightenment.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Tony
> >>
>
>
>