MS Outlook Express

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L. V. Bekeris

Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS

Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how

could I install my news groups?
 
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SC Tom

"L. V. Bekeris" wrote in message

news:hpgjeq$ap6$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS

> Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how

> could I install my news groups?

>

There are plenty of news clients and mail/news client combos, some free,

some cheap, and some expensive. Try a Google search for each, read the

reviews, try some of them, and choose for yourself. That would be your best

course of action.

--

SC Tom



"Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed

any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician."

Lt. Col. J.D. "Jeff" Cooper, USMC, Ret.
 
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Bruce Hagen

"L. V. Bekeris" wrote in message

news:hpgjeq$ap6$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with

> MS Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and

> how could I install my news groups?

>





Do you have an e-mail client installed? XP was the last Windows version to

use Outlook Express. Vista had Windows Mail. Win7 has none.



If all you want is a newsreader, there are plenty. Google.



If you want a "replacement" for Outlook Express, Windows Live Mail is the

successor to OE and WinMail.



Windows Live Mail (Overview, Features & Download):

http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview

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Bruce Hagen

MS-MVP [Mail]

Imperial Beach, CA
 
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Ken Blake

On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 19:25:59 -0500, "L. V. Bekeris"

wrote:



> Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS

> Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express.





Correct. No version of Windows since Windows XP has included Outlook

Express.







> Where, and how

> could I install my news groups?





You need to install a newsreader program--or a combination

newsreader/e-mail program. You have many choices--some free and some

for sale. Here's my standard message on the subject of

newsreaders/e-mail programs:





Outlook Express has been gone for several years. Windows XP was the

last version of Windows to include it.



Windows Vista had Windows Mail as its replacement (it's essentially a

newer version of Outlook Express, with a different name), but that is

also gone in Windows 7.



Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many

people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,

since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he

likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and

from third-parties. Some are free and some are for sale. Microsoft has

Windows Live Mail (which is essentially also a newer version of

Outlook Express/Windows Mail, with still another new name) available

for download for free and Outlook (a different program from outlook

express) available for sale, either alone or as part of Microsoft

Office.



Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail others will tell

you to use Thunderbird still others may have other recommendations.

My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use

Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and FortÊ Agent for newsgroups, but you

should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make

your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
 
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XS11E

"L. V. Bekeris" wrote:



> Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop

> with MS Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express.

> Where, and how could I install my news groups?



If you're used to Outlook Express you can install Windows Mail in Win7.



Windows Mail is the successor to OE that was introduced in Vista.



Get it here:



http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/06/05/download-windows-mail-from-vista-for-use-in-windows-7/



NOTE: Read the entire page before doing anything, OK?



--

XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups

The Usenet Improvement Project:

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
 
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Char Jackson

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:54:43 -0700, Ken Blake

wrote:



>You need to install a newsreader program--or a combination

>newsreader/e-mail program. You have many choices--some free and some

>for sale. Here's my standard message on the subject of

>newsreaders/e-mail programs:

>

>

>Outlook Express has been gone for several years. Windows XP was the

>last version of Windows to include it.

>

>Windows Vista had Windows Mail as its replacement (it's essentially a

>newer version of Outlook Express, with a different name), but that is

>also gone in Windows 7.

>

>Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many

>people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,

>since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he

>likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and

>from third-parties. Some are free and some are for sale. Microsoft has

>Windows Live Mail (which is essentially also a newer version of

>Outlook Express/Windows Mail, with still another new name) available

>for download for free and Outlook (a different program from outlook

>express) available for sale, either alone or as part of Microsoft

>Office.

>

>Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail others will tell

>you to use Thunderbird still others may have other recommendations.

>My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use

>Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and FortÊ Agent for newsgroups, but you

>should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make

>your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best.

>Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003



Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself

mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"
 
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Joel

Char Jackson wrote:



>Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself

>mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"





This was the first time I'd seen it, but it is excellent indeed. Not

to mention his other fine, helpful posts!



--

Joel Crump
 
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Dave \Crash\ Dummy

L. V. Bekeris wrote:

> Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS

> Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how

> could I install my news groups?



Here is a selection of mail and news clients (some combined) to look at.



http://thedatalist.com/pages/Mail_Clients.htm



http://thedatalist.com/pages/News_Readers.htm



--

Crash



"The fewer the facts, the stronger the opinion."

~ Arnold H. Glasow ~
 
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Jeff@nospam.fake

On 4/6/2010 8:25 PM, L. V. Bekeris wrote:

> Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS

> Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how

> could I install my news groups?

>

>

I too used Outlook Express in XP but because it does not work in W 7, I

evaluated both Windows Live and Thunderbird and settled on TB as the

better one. Now I am happy I made the switch.
 
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Ken Blake

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 21:03:32 -0500, Char Jackson

wrote:



> On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:54:43 -0700, Ken Blake

> wrote:

>

> >You need to install a newsreader program--or a combination

> >newsreader/e-mail program. You have many choices--some free and some

> >for sale. Here's my standard message on the subject of

> >newsreaders/e-mail programs:

> >

> >

> >Outlook Express has been gone for several years. Windows XP was the

> >last version of Windows to include it.

> >

> >Windows Vista had Windows Mail as its replacement (it's essentially a

> >newer version of Outlook Express, with a different name), but that is

> >also gone in Windows 7.

> >

> >Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many

> >people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,

> >since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he

> >likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and

> >from third-parties. Some are free and some are for sale. Microsoft has

> >Windows Live Mail (which is essentially also a newer version of

> >Outlook Express/Windows Mail, with still another new name) available

> >for download for free and Outlook (a different program from outlook

> >express) available for sale, either alone or as part of Microsoft

> >Office.

> >

> >Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail others will tell

> >you to use Thunderbird still others may have other recommendations.

> >My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use

> >Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and FortÊ Agent for newsgroups, but you

> >should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make

> >your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best.

> >Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

>

> Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself

> mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"





Thanks very much for the kind words.



Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
 
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Ken Blake

On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 03:53:29 -0400, Joel wrote:



> Char Jackson wrote:

>

> >Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself

> >mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"

>

>

> This was the first time I'd seen it, but it is excellent indeed. Not

> to mention his other fine, helpful posts!





And thanks very much to you too.



Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
 
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Yousuf Khan

L. V. Bekeris wrote:

> Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS

> Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how

> could I install my news groups?

>

>



Mozilla Thunderbird.



Yousuf Khan
 
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Tom C

"L. V. Bekeris" wrote in message

news:hpgjeq$ap6$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS

> Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how

> could I install my news groups?

>



If you want pretty much the same functionality of Outlook express, download

and install Windows Live Mail. It has the same user interface and had added

ability to add email accounts from hotmail, gmail and others. It's fairly

easy to set up as well. You can even import your contacts from previous

Outlook express, Microsoft Outlook and even Windows mail.
 
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Tom C

Ken, you always seem to have your Ps and Qs on board. Great job, and thanks

for all the help you provide.



"Ken Blake" wrote in message

news:qt6pr5lqp9n1rg1isv5u0u7p0tb0bu22e9@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 03:53:29 -0400, Joel wrote:

>

>> Char Jackson wrote:

>>

>> >Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself

>> >mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"

>>

>>

>> This was the first time I'd seen it, but it is excellent indeed. Not

>> to mention his other fine, helpful posts!

>

>

> And thanks very much to you too.

>

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
 
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Alias

Tom C wrote:

>

>

> "L. V. Bekeris" wrote in message

> news:hpgjeq$ap6$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>> Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with

>> MS Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where,

>> and how could I install my news groups?

>>

>

> If you want pretty much the same functionality of Outlook express,

> download and install Windows Live Mail. It has the same user interface

> and had added ability to add email accounts from hotmail, gmail and

> others. It's fairly easy to set up as well. You can even import your

> contacts from previous Outlook express, Microsoft Outlook and even

> Windows mail.



And just as much of a pain in the ass to back up and restore.



This is what you have to do to back up WLM:



http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!174.entry



Thunderbird would be much better choice unless, of course, one doesn't

want to back up one's messages, calendar, email accounts, contacts and

news groups. With Thunderbird, all one has to do is back up two files.



--

Alias
 
K

Ken Blake

On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 07:17:41 -0700, "Tom C"

wrote:



> Ken, you always seem to have your Ps and Qs on board. Great job, and thanks

> for all the help you provide.





Thanks very much, Tom.







> "Ken Blake" wrote in message

> news:qt6pr5lqp9n1rg1isv5u0u7p0tb0bu22e9@4ax.com...

> > On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 03:53:29 -0400, Joel wrote:

> >

> >> Char Jackson wrote:

> >>

> >> >Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself

> >> >mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"

> >>

> >>

> >> This was the first time I'd seen it, but it is excellent indeed. Not

> >> to mention his other fine, helpful posts!

> >

> >

> > And thanks very much to you too.

> >

> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
 
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Mortimer

"Alias" wrote in message

news:hpkp0q$jns$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> Tom C wrote:

>>

>>

>> "L. V. Bekeris" wrote in message

>> news:hpgjeq$ap6$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>>> Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with

>>> MS Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where,

>>> and how could I install my news groups?

>>>

>>

>> If you want pretty much the same functionality of Outlook express,

>> download and install Windows Live Mail. It has the same user interface

>> and had added ability to add email accounts from hotmail, gmail and

>> others. It's fairly easy to set up as well. You can even import your

>> contacts from previous Outlook express, Microsoft Outlook and even

>> Windows mail.

>

> And just as much of a pain in the ass to back up and restore.

>

> This is what you have to do to back up WLM:

>

> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!174.entry

>

> Thunderbird would be much better choice unless, of course, one doesn't

> want to back up one's messages, calendar, email accounts, contacts and

> news groups. With Thunderbird, all one has to do is back up two files.



The problem with that (and it also affects Outlook) is that every time you

make a small change to the set of emails (receive more, delete some, move

them from one folder to another) you have to back up a humungous file which

takes ages. With all the email and news messages in separate files (or else

in one file per folder/newgroup) you only have to back up what's changed and

not everything else.



I back up the whole of the folder \users\\apps\windows\windows live

mail so I can restore saved mail if it goes missing or I delete an email by

mistake. I've also generated .iaf files for each of the accounts (once set

up, these never change) so I can regenerate those as well - though I know

the settings so I could do it from scratch if needed.



Most of the time, the only files that change in this folder are the new

emails and the renames for messages that I've moved from one folder to

another. MS SyncToy is great for backing up things like this.
 
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Alias

Mortimer wrote:

> "Alias" wrote in message

> news:hpkp0q$jns$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>> Tom C wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> "L. V. Bekeris" wrote in message

>>> news:hpgjeq$ap6$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>>>> Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with

>>>> MS Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where,

>>>> and how could I install my news groups?

>>>>

>>>

>>> If you want pretty much the same functionality of Outlook express,

>>> download and install Windows Live Mail. It has the same user interface

>>> and had added ability to add email accounts from hotmail, gmail and

>>> others. It's fairly easy to set up as well. You can even import your

>>> contacts from previous Outlook express, Microsoft Outlook and even

>>> Windows mail.

>>

>> And just as much of a pain in the ass to back up and restore.

>>

>> This is what you have to do to back up WLM:

>>

>> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!174.entry

>>

>> Thunderbird would be much better choice unless, of course, one doesn't

>> want to back up one's messages, calendar, email accounts, contacts and

>> news groups. With Thunderbird, all one has to do is back up two files.

>

> The problem with that (and it also affects Outlook) is that every time

> you make a small change to the set of emails (receive more, delete some,

> move them from one folder to another) you have to back up a humungous

> file which takes ages.



Define "ages". Ever hear of USB 3.0?



With all the email and news messages in separate

> files (or else in one file per folder/newgroup) you only have to back up

> what's changed and not everything else.

>

> I back up the whole of the folder \users\\apps\windows\windows

> live mail so I can restore saved mail if it goes missing or I delete an

> email by mistake. I've also generated .iaf files for each of the

> accounts (once set up, these never change) so I can regenerate those as

> well - though I know the settings so I could do it from scratch if needed.

>

> Most of the time, the only files that change in this folder are the new

> emails and the renames for messages that I've moved from one folder to

> another. MS SyncToy is great for backing up things like this.



Still more complicated than backing up two files. With Outlook, even,

it's at least three files: .pst, n2k and signatures.





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