M$ Ending Open Discussion Newsgroups!

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Dhu Pin Yoo

Joining the leagues of censorship activists, obviously.



-

"Microsoft said it plans to end support for more than 4,000 old-style

newsgroups starting next month, pushing users instead to discussion

forums such as those found on the Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN

sites.



Although venerable, Microsoft said that so-called NNTP newsgroups have

past their time in terms of being usable and secure."



More at



http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.htm
 
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PA Bear [MS MVP]

cf. http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx



Dhu Pin Yoo wrote:

> Joining the leagues of censorship activists, obviously.

>

> -

> "Microsoft said it plans to end support for more than 4,000 old-style

> newsgroups starting next month, pushing users instead to discussion

> forums such as those found on the Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN

> sites.

>

> Although venerable, Microsoft said that so-called NNTP newsgroups have

> past their time in terms of being usable and secure."

>

> More at

>

> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.htm
 
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LD5SZRA

I would only say that Microsoft is fed up of its customer base and

is deciding to wind-up its business. The examples are as follows:



1) Newsgroups shutting down

2) IE8 not available to XP users (Mozilla and other browsers will

continue on XP systems)

3) Outlook Express not being developed

4) Hotmail can't be read in Outlook unless you also install a

Connector (new version just released on 20/04/2010)

5) If you criticize Microsoft products on forums, expect your

messages to be deleted

6) MVP status being scaled down (hooray - who is going to miss

this? Not me for sure but Pig-Bear will)

7) Future products will only available online not on CD or DVDs

8) Microsoft Works version 10 not available on XP or Vista

9) Microsoft Office Accounting disbanded - the last version was

2009



The list goes on and on!



hth





Dhu Pin Yoo wrote:

>

> Joining the leagues of censorship activists, obviously.

>

> -

> "Microsoft said it plans to end support for more than 4,000 old-style

> newsgroups starting next month, pushing users instead to discussion

> forums such as those found on the Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN

> sites.

>

> Although venerable, Microsoft said that so-called NNTP newsgroups have

> past their time in terms of being usable and secure."

>

> More at

>

> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.htm



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spamlet

First I'd heard of this. I hope these 'forums' will not degenerate into the

form they take in so called 'Google help' Google Earth 'community' etc.

Questions used to get answered but when I've looked at these lately, they

were all questions and no answers. The virgin help newsgroups were

excellent but have recently been shut now it appears these excellent groups

are for the chop too. Not my idea of progress in the least!



S





"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message

news:OUkW8o96KHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> cf. http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx

>

> Dhu Pin Yoo wrote:

>> Joining the leagues of censorship activists, obviously.

>>

>> -

>> "Microsoft said it plans to end support for more than 4,000 old-style

>> newsgroups starting next month, pushing users instead to discussion

>> forums such as those found on the Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN

>> sites.

>>

>> Although venerable, Microsoft said that so-called NNTP newsgroups have

>> past their time in terms of being usable and secure."

>>

>> More at

>>

>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.htm
 
S

sgopus

it couldn't possbly be due to all the jerks and idiots who post garbage on

these areas for their fun and entertainment, annoying the rest of the users.

I'm personally glad they are ending these newsgroups, however, the format of

the group for windows 7 sucks big time, you can hardly find anything, and

people want to put their entire message in the subject line, and in all caps,

idiots!!!!!



"Dhu Pin Yoo" wrote:



>

> Joining the leagues of censorship activists, obviously.

>

> -

> "Microsoft said it plans to end support for more than 4,000 old-style

> newsgroups starting next month, pushing users instead to discussion

> forums such as those found on the Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN

> sites.

>

> Although venerable, Microsoft said that so-called NNTP newsgroups have

> past their time in terms of being usable and secure."

>

> More at

>

> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.htm

>

> .

>
 
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David H. Lipman

From: "sgopus"



| it couldn't possbly be due to all the jerks and idiots who post garbage on

| these areas for their fun and entertainment, annoying the rest of the users.

| I'm personally glad they are ending these newsgroups, however, the format of

| the group for windows 7 sucks big time, you can hardly find anything, and

| people want to put their entire message in the subject line, and in all caps,

| idiots!!!!!



You can't fix stupid.





--

Dave

http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html

Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
 
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Peter Foldes

Copied from nntp@microsoft.com in the public.test.here newsgroup





Date 5/4/2010

Starting in early summer 2010, Microsoft will begin progressively closing down the

Microsoft public newsgroups to enrich conversations in the rapidly-growing forum

platform. This decision is in response to worldwide market trends and evolving

customer needs.



Microsoft continues to invest in forums to reduce customer effort, consolidate

community venues and make it easier for active contributors to retain their

influence. Forums provide a healthy community environment with less spam and make

answers easier to find by customers and search engines. Additionally, forums offer

a better user and off-topic management platform that will improve customer

satisfaction by facilitating discussions in a clean space.



We understand that some newsgroups are still active, and important to the community.

In the coming days and weeks, we will be rolling out tools and resources to minimize

disruption to the community discussions.



We are working diligently on providing additional resources and information in local

languages later this week. In the meantime, please refer to the official Microsoft

Newsgroup website http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx

concerning this issue. The Microsoft Newsgroup website will be made available in

additional languages in the next few days.





--

Peter



Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others

Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

http://www.microsoft.com/protect



"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message

news:%23ze0U%23%236KHA.5848@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> At some point in the future, this newsgroup will NOT be accessible or available

> via the MS newsserver (news://msnews.microsoft.com) nor via web-access

> (http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...lt.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general).

>

> spamlet wrote:

>> First I'd heard of this. I hope these 'forums' will not degenerate into the

>> form they take in so called 'Google help' Google Earth 'community' etc.

>
 
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LD5SZRA

Also jerks won't be able to use the word "idiots" on forums. As

soon as this word is used to describe a microsoft customer, that

person would be censured very severely!



hth





sgopus wrote:

>

> it couldn't possbly be due to all the jerks and idiots who post garbage on

> these areas for their fun and entertainment, annoying the rest of the users.

> I'm personally glad they are ending these newsgroups, however, the format of

> the group for windows 7 sucks big time, you can hardly find anything, and

> people want to put their entire message in the subject line, and in all caps,

> idiots!!!!!

>



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KIND. LD5SZRA DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESSED OR

IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND

FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. IN NO EVENT SHALL LD5SZRA

OR ITS ASSOCIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER

INCLUDING DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, LOSS OF

BUSINESS PROFITS OR SPECIAL DAMAGES, EVEN IF LD5SZRA OR ITS

ASSOCIATES HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH

DAMAGES. SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR

LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL

DAMAGES SO THE FOREGOING LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY.



Copyright LD5SZRA 2010.
 
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David H. Lipman

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LVTravel

"David H. Lipman" wrote in message

news:uc23eG$6KHA.5476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> From: "sgopus"

>

> | it couldn't possbly be due to all the jerks and idiots who post garbage

> on

> | these areas for their fun and entertainment, annoying the rest of the

> users.

> | I'm personally glad they are ending these newsgroups, however, the

> format of

> | the group for windows 7 sucks big time, you can hardly find anything,

> and

> | people want to put their entire message in the subject line, and in all

> caps,

> | idiots!!!!!

>

> You can't fix stupid.

>

>

> --

> Dave

> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html

> Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

>

>



But Microsoft is going to try. Apparently they will be moderated forums

according the FAQs listed at

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx. While this

will get out the junk, you will have to sign up and depending on the method

of moderation the responses could be delayed hours while someone decides if

the post is legitimate or not. Other forums allow open posting with

improper messages removed by the moderator. Don't know which type MS will

decide to use. I don't like the forums set up for Win 7.
 
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PA Bear [MS MVP]

Typical...including the dupes of said post.



David H. Lipman wrote:

> From: "Peter Foldes"

>

>> Copied from nntp@microsoft.com in the public.test.here newsgroup

>

> It is just now being propogated and the time is 7 hours off !
 
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milt

On 5/4/2010 8:23 PM, David H. Lipman wrote:

> From: "sgopus"

>

> | it couldn't possbly be due to all the jerks and idiots who post garbage on

> | these areas for their fun and entertainment, annoying the rest of the users.

> | I'm personally glad they are ending these newsgroups, however, the format of

> | the group for windows 7 sucks big time, you can hardly find anything, and

> | people want to put their entire message in the subject line, and in all caps,

> | idiots!!!!!

>

> You can't fix stupid.

>

>



nope, and that is mostly what you find on the MS forums. Have fun trying

to find anything USEFUL there!
 
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mister_friendly@the-newzgroups.c

On Tue, 04 May 2010 15:06:41 -0700, Dhu Pin Yoo

wrote:



>

>Joining the leagues of censorship activists, obviously.

>

>-

>"Microsoft said it plans to end support for more than 4,000 old-style

>newsgroups starting next month, pushing users instead to discussion

>forums such as those found on the Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN

>sites.

>

>Although venerable, Microsoft said that so-called NNTP newsgroups have

>past their time in terms of being usable and secure."

>

>More at

>

>http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.htm





I'm curious. How is MS going to remove these newsgroups? The way I

was told, years ago, is that newsgroups CAN NOT be removed. Once

they're created, they're there forever. In some ways this is a good

thing. On the other hand there are many newsgoups that are completely

useless, something like alt.david.smith.sucks.his.mothers.tits. If

you look at the list, there are many such groups. So, I have often

wished they could be removed.



Anyhow, since MS can not remove newsgroups, what effect will that have

on these groups? Does MS ever really post to these groups? From what

I've seen, I can not recall even one time I saw a response from MS,

unless some MS employee replies to posts under their own handle. With

that in mind, what will stop any of us from continuing to use these

newsgroups?



I'll say this much, if I had to rely on web forums to communicate with

others about (any topic), I'd likely stop helping others, and only go

to these sites when I can not find help anywhere else. On newsgroups,

I can quickly go thru a list of posts, filtrer out the spam, and in

minutes, read the whole days posts that are interesting to me.



Try that on web forums. I signed up for some of those Yahoo Groups.

First, I need to give out personal info to sign up to use their

services at all. Then I have to enter a user name and password

everytime I want to use their groups. Even though I always click

"Keep me connected", it seems that I have to re-enter my user name and

password everytime I post a message. Then, to post the message, I

have to enter some string of characters, which is in graphic form, and

often unreadable, which means I have to enter it over and over. Then,

there's always a huge delay in sending my post, and another long delay

to read each and every message. The end result is this: I could have

read an entire newsgroup's weekly posts in the time it took to read

and respond to just one post on Yahoo or Google groups.



If this is what it comes to, I will have no part of these web based

groups. I'm too busy to spend a half hour on one post, and many hours

if I'm trying to get some information.



Finally, I wonder how much MS will charge for their groups? Will they

charge money, or just steal our identity which they can sell at a

profit so they can spam our email boxes with all sorts of junk

advertising.



No thanks. I'll stick here on the newsgroups, and will continue to

help others as well as ask questions. If the day ever comes where the

entire internet is web based, I'll likely cancel my internet account.

Personally, I strongly dislike the web in most cases. There was once

a time when the web was a valuable source of information, like an

encyclopedia. While some of those sites still exist, finding them is

only half the battle, since google caters to certain sites that pay

them big$. Then you get to these sites and get all the annoying

popups and ads, and flashing content and flash garbage which makes

some sites take forever to load. And if this is not bad enough, more

and more sites these days want you to register to even use their site.

Some even want money. How the hell anyone can register for all these

sites and remember all the passwords is beyond me. All I know, is

that when the day comes and all we have is the web, I'll save the $29

a month I pay my ISP and buy the "World Book" encyclopedia.
 
P

pip22

I agree with MS for once. The NNTP system is now archaic. Having to

download headers is a pain, followed by downloading the posts you want

to read, especially on slow, rural connections.



Web-based forums are much easier to access and navigate, and far less

littered with cr*p whereas NNTP is awash with it.
 
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Michael

wrote in message

news:sgi3u51l3qbbotjr01oib5t532foqv12dn@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 04 May 2010 15:06:41 -0700, Dhu Pin Yoo

> wrote:

>

>>

>>Joining the leagues of censorship activists, obviously.

>>

>>-

>>"Microsoft said it plans to end support for more than 4,000 old-style

>>newsgroups starting next month, pushing users instead to discussion

>>forums such as those found on the Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN

>>sites.

>>

>>Although venerable, Microsoft said that so-called NNTP newsgroups have

>>past their time in terms of being usable and secure."

>>

>>More at

>>

>>http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.htm

>

>

> I'm curious. How is MS going to remove these newsgroups? The way I

> was told, years ago, is that newsgroups CAN NOT be removed. Once

> they're created, they're there forever. In some ways this is a good

> thing. On the other hand there are many newsgoups that are completely

> useless, something like alt.david.smith.sucks.his.mothers.tits. If

> you look at the list, there are many such groups. So, I have often

> wished they could be removed.

>

> Anyhow, since MS can not remove newsgroups, what effect will that have

> on these groups? Does MS ever really post to these groups? From what

> I've seen, I can not recall even one time I saw a response from MS,

> unless some MS employee replies to posts under their own handle. With

> that in mind, what will stop any of us from continuing to use these

> newsgroups?

>

> I'll say this much, if I had to rely on web forums to communicate with

> others about (any topic), I'd likely stop helping others, and only go

> to these sites when I can not find help anywhere else. On newsgroups,

> I can quickly go thru a list of posts, filtrer out the spam, and in

> minutes, read the whole days posts that are interesting to me.

>

> Try that on web forums. I signed up for some of those Yahoo Groups.

> First, I need to give out personal info to sign up to use their

> services at all. Then I have to enter a user name and password

> everytime I want to use their groups. Even though I always click

> "Keep me connected", it seems that I have to re-enter my user name and

> password everytime I post a message. Then, to post the message, I

> have to enter some string of characters, which is in graphic form, and

> often unreadable, which means I have to enter it over and over. Then,

> there's always a huge delay in sending my post, and another long delay

> to read each and every message. The end result is this: I could have

> read an entire newsgroup's weekly posts in the time it took to read

> and respond to just one post on Yahoo or Google groups.

>

> If this is what it comes to, I will have no part of these web based

> groups. I'm too busy to spend a half hour on one post, and many hours

> if I'm trying to get some information.

>

> Finally, I wonder how much MS will charge for their groups? Will they

> charge money, or just steal our identity which they can sell at a

> profit so they can spam our email boxes with all sorts of junk

> advertising.

>

> No thanks. I'll stick here on the newsgroups, and will continue to

> help others as well as ask questions. If the day ever comes where the

> entire internet is web based, I'll likely cancel my internet account.

> Personally, I strongly dislike the web in most cases. There was once

> a time when the web was a valuable source of information, like an

> encyclopedia. While some of those sites still exist, finding them is

> only half the battle, since google caters to certain sites that pay

> them big$. Then you get to these sites and get all the annoying

> popups and ads, and flashing content and flash garbage which makes

> some sites take forever to load. And if this is not bad enough, more

> and more sites these days want you to register to even use their site.

> Some even want money. How the hell anyone can register for all these

> sites and remember all the passwords is beyond me. All I know, is

> that when the day comes and all we have is the web, I'll save the $29

> a month I pay my ISP and buy the "World Book" encyclopedia.



These newsgroups are on Microsoft servers. All they need to do is pull the

plug.



--





"Don't pick a fight with an old man.

If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
 
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Leythos

In article , pip22.4aijp6

@no.email.invalid says...

> I agree with MS for once. The NNTP system is now archaic. Having to

> download headers is a pain, followed by downloading the posts you want

> to read, especially on slow, rural connections.

>



NNTP was designed for SLOW connections, it's perfect for it.



If you think that NNTP was slow on slow connections I can't imagine how

you will find web groups interfaces - they will be even slower.



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voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.

Trust yourself.

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El Kot

Michael wrote:

> wrote in message

>> Dhu Pin Yoo wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> Joining the leagues of censorship activists, obviously.

>>>

>>> -

>>> "Microsoft said it plans to end support for more than 4,000 old-style

>>> newsgroups starting next month, pushing users instead to discussion

>>> forums such as those found on the Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN

>>> sites.

>>>

>>> Although venerable, Microsoft said that so-called NNTP newsgroups have

>>> past their time in terms of being usable and secure."

>>>

>>> More at

>>>

>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.htm

>>

>>

>> I'm curious. How is MS going to remove these newsgroups? The way I

>> was told, years ago, is that newsgroups CAN NOT be removed. Once

>> they're created, they're there forever. In some ways this is a good

>> thing. On the other hand there are many newsgoups that are completely

>> useless, something like alt.david.smith.sucks.his.mothers.tits. If

>> you look at the list, there are many such groups. So, I have often

>> wished they could be removed.

>>

>> Anyhow, since MS can not remove newsgroups, what effect will that have

>> on these groups? Does MS ever really post to these groups? From what

>> I've seen, I can not recall even one time I saw a response from MS,

>> unless some MS employee replies to posts under their own handle. With

>> that in mind, what will stop any of us from continuing to use these

>> newsgroups?



Nothing. We'll continue using them, just like we do now.





> These newsgroups are on Microsoft servers. All they need to do is pull

> the plug.



No they're not. They got started on M$ servers, but now they are

all over the place. Pulling the plug of the M$ servers will stop just

these servers, and nothing else. The groups will live on.



--

No, no, you can't e-mail me with no no.
 
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John John - MVP

pip22 wrote:

> ... Having to download headers is a pain, followed by downloading the

> posts you want to read, especially on slow, rural connections.

>

> Web-based forums are much easier to access and navigate, and far less

> littered with cr*p whereas NNTP is awash with it.



Now that is quite an oxymoronic statement! Who's leg are you trying to

pull telling us that web forums are faster than text based newsgroups?
 
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