Recycling

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

If I try to delete a folder with hundreds of sub folders a Recycling

dialog appears and never completes.



Any ideas?



Steve



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[Dave-UK]

"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message

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> If I try to delete a folder with hundreds of sub folders a Recycling

> dialog appears and never completes.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> Steve

>



How about Shift+Delete ?

 

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

On Mon, 24 May 2010 15:58:31 +0100, "Dave-UK" wrote:



>

>"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message

>news:0a3lv5l5675s07v00joepth35febqqeibt@4ax.com...

>> If I try to delete a folder with hundreds of sub folders a Recycling

>> dialog appears and never completes.

>>

>> Any ideas?

>>

>> Steve

>>

>

>How about Shift+Delete ?

>

>



It's just the same. The only way to get rid of the Recycling dialog is

to force a shutdown.



Steve



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[housetrained]

Try deleting it in safe mode

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"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message

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> If I try to delete a folder with hundreds of sub folders a Recycling

> dialog appears and never completes.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> Steve

>

> --

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[Nil]

On 24 May 2010, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote

in alt.windows7.general:



> If I try to delete a folder with hundreds of sub folders a Recycling

> dialog appears and never completes.

>

> Any ideas?



Try deleting it from the command line with the rmdir command:



RMDIR [/S] [/Q] [drive:]path

RD [/S] [/Q] [drive:]path



/S Removes all directories and files in the specified directory

in addition to the directory itself. Used to remove a directory

tree.



/Q Quiet mode, do not ask if ok to remove a directory tree with /S

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On 5/24/10, Stephen Wolstenholme posted:

> On Mon, 24 May 2010 15:58:31 +0100, "Dave-UK" wrote:



>>

>> "Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message

>> news:0a3lv5l5675s07v00joepth35febqqeibt@4ax.com...

>>> If I try to delete a folder with hundreds of sub folders a Recycling

>>> dialog appears and never completes.

>>>

>>> Any ideas?

>>>

>>> Steve

>>>

>>

>> How about Shift+Delete ?

>>

>>



> It's just the same. The only way to get rid of the Recycling dialog is

> to force a shutdown.



> Steve



Shift-Del doesn't use the recycle bin, so what you report seems odd, to

say the least.



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[Robert Sudbury]

Sounds like it may be a classic file system corruption.



Chkdsk the volume at reboot, then retry deleting.



Here's a good step-by-step on how to do it:



http://www.w7forums.com/use-chkdsk-check-disk-t448.html



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> If I try to delete a folder with hundreds of sub folders a Recycling

> dialog appears and never completes.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> Steve

>

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[R. C. White]

Hi, Steve.



How long is "never completes"?



Deletion of "hundreds of sub folders" can take much longer than we expect.

I was doing a lot of cleanup last week and deleted several Windows Live Mail

"recovered items" message folders, each with many layers of subfolders.

Sometimes, just a Dir /s (in a Command Prompt window) took 20 minutes or

more to list thousands of empty subfolders. Deletion of those folder trees

would take about as long - or longer.



It may be slightly faster to use the RD (Remove Directory - from days when a

"folder" was a "directory") command. Just "rd c:\. You may

want to use rd with the /s switch to remove the directory and all its

subdirectories: rd c:\ /s If the directory is not empty, you

will need to confirm that Yes you do want to remove the entire tree. (As

usual in a Command Prompt window, type a command followed by /? to see a

mini-Help file listing the switches and parameters available with that

command: rd /?



RC

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"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message

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> If I try to delete a folder with hundreds of sub folders a Recycling

> dialog appears and never completes.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> Steve

 

[johnbee]

"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message

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> If I try to delete a folder with hundreds of sub folders a Recycling

> dialog appears and never completes.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> Steve

>

> --

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When you delete a file by sending it to the recycling bin, the PC has a bit

of work to do. I can't be bothered to do a lot of experimentation, but, for

example, if you check it's properties you will see that it has a capacity,

which you can change. I mention this because I guess that the size makes a

heckuva lot of difference to the time taken - but I don't know enough about

it to say whether a tiny capacity will speed it up immensely or slow it down

hugely. However I do know enough to say that if there are an increasingly

large number of files in the bin, it will slow down the process

increasingly.



The easiest test I can suggest is to create a huge number of directories and

sub directories, containing lots of files, then delete them. After a while,

pull the plug out. Have a look to see how many it has deleted. Try it a

few times with various time delays, and also have a check on how long it

takes to remove them from the bin.



In other words, I reckon it is just taking a long time because its busy.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 21:10:19 +0100, johnbee wrote:



> The easiest test I can suggest is to create a huge number of directories and

> sub directories, containing lots of files, then delete them. After a while,

> pull the plug out. Have a look to see how many it has deleted. Try it a

> few times with various time delays, and also have a check on how long it

> takes to remove them from the bin.



Sounds like a recipe for corrupting the drive :-(



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[johnbee]

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

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> On Tue, 25 May 2010 21:10:19 +0100, johnbee wrote:

>

>> The easiest test I can suggest is to create a huge number of directories

>> and

>> sub directories, containing lots of files, then delete them. After a

>> while,

>> pull the plug out. Have a look to see how many it has deleted. Try it a

>> few times with various time delays, and also have a check on how long it

>> takes to remove them from the bin.

>

> Sounds like a recipe for corrupting the drive :-(

>

> --

> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)



I'm not sure what you mean by corrupting the drive. If errors are caused in

the file system, it will hardly be noticed unless chkdsk is run, which will

correct them and the only affected files will be ones being deleted anyway.

An operating system which can not survive losing the power isn't worth

tuppence. The chap was bothered because it seemed that the system would not

delete a lot of files at once, and I said something about the reason why it

only seemed so, and an easy way for him to convince himself of that

explanation. If I was scared of a computer I'd go and play with a teddy.

 

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

On Wed, 26 May 2010 20:30:11 +0100, "johnbee"

wrote:



>

>"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

>news:f87f58xp2ndq.180ikubmrzkmo$.dlg@40tude.net...

>> On Tue, 25 May 2010 21:10:19 +0100, johnbee wrote:

>>

>>> The easiest test I can suggest is to create a huge number of directories

>>> and

>>> sub directories, containing lots of files, then delete them. After a

>>> while,

>>> pull the plug out. Have a look to see how many it has deleted. Try it a

>>> few times with various time delays, and also have a check on how long it

>>> takes to remove them from the bin.

>>

>> Sounds like a recipe for corrupting the drive :-(

>>

>> --

>> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

>

>I'm not sure what you mean by corrupting the drive. If errors are caused in

>the file system, it will hardly be noticed unless chkdsk is run, which will

>correct them and the only affected files will be ones being deleted anyway.

>An operating system which can not survive losing the power isn't worth

>tuppence. The chap was bothered because it seemed that the system would not

>delete a lot of files at once, and I said something about the reason why it

>only seemed so, and an easy way for him to convince himself of that

>explanation. If I was scared of a computer I'd go and play with a teddy.



Just to be clear. The folder, subfolders and files never get deleted

and the Recycling dialog does not close. It was left trying for two

hours and then I had to restart to get rid of the dialog. Examination

of the folder and bin after the restart shows that nothing has been

deleted. If I delete at file or subfolder level there is no problem.

The hang up is just with one folder. Other folders with just as many

subfolders and files go to the bin in seconds. I suspect there is some

property of the folder that Window 7 is having difficulty with but

everything looks normal to me.



Steve



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[Char Jackson]

On Wed, 26 May 2010 20:30:11 +0100, "johnbee"

wrote:



>

>"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

>news:f87f58xp2ndq.180ikubmrzkmo$.dlg@40tude.net...

>> On Tue, 25 May 2010 21:10:19 +0100, johnbee wrote:

>>

>>> The easiest test I can suggest is to create a huge number of directories

>>> and

>>> sub directories, containing lots of files, then delete them. After a

>>> while,

>>> pull the plug out. Have a look to see how many it has deleted. Try it a

>>> few times with various time delays, and also have a check on how long it

>>> takes to remove them from the bin.

>>

>> Sounds like a recipe for corrupting the drive :-(

>>

>> --

>> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

>

>I'm not sure what you mean by corrupting the drive. If errors are caused in

>the file system, it will hardly be noticed unless chkdsk is run, which will

>correct them and the only affected files will be ones being deleted anyway.

>An operating system which can not survive losing the power isn't worth

>tuppence. The chap was bothered because it seemed that the system would not

>delete a lot of files at once, and I said something about the reason why it

>only seemed so, and an easy way for him to convince himself of that

>explanation. If I was scared of a computer I'd go and play with a teddy.



Score:

+1 for Gene

-1 for johnbee



Intentionally pulling the plug on a running OS is about the worst

advice I've seen here in quite awhile.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On Wed, 26 May 2010 17:09:33 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:



> On Wed, 26 May 2010 20:30:11 +0100, "johnbee"

> wrote:

>

>>

>>"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

>>news:f87f58xp2ndq.180ikubmrzkmo$.dlg@40tude.net...

>>> On Tue, 25 May 2010 21:10:19 +0100, johnbee wrote:

>>>

>>>> The easiest test I can suggest is to create a huge number of directories

>>>> and

>>>> sub directories, containing lots of files, then delete them. After a

>>>> while,

>>>> pull the plug out. Have a look to see how many it has deleted. Try it a

>>>> few times with various time delays, and also have a check on how long it

>>>> takes to remove them from the bin.

>>>

>>> Sounds like a recipe for corrupting the drive :-(

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

>>

>>I'm not sure what you mean by corrupting the drive. If errors are caused in

>>the file system, it will hardly be noticed unless chkdsk is run, which will

>>correct them and the only affected files will be ones being deleted anyway.

>>An operating system which can not survive losing the power isn't worth

>>tuppence. The chap was bothered because it seemed that the system would not

>>delete a lot of files at once, and I said something about the reason why it

>>only seemed so, and an easy way for him to convince himself of that

>>explanation. If I was scared of a computer I'd go and play with a teddy.

>

> Score:

> +1 for Gene

> -1 for johnbee

>

> Intentionally pulling the plug on a running OS is about the worst

> advice I've seen here in quite awhile.



Score:

+1 for Char Jackson

-1 for johnbee







Heck, it doesn't even have anything to do with the OS - it's a hardware

situation.



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[johnbee]

"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message

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> On Wed, 26 May 2010 20:30:11 +0100, "johnbee"

> wrote:

>

>>

>>"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

>>news:f87f58xp2ndq.180ikubmrzkmo$.dlg@40tude.net...

>>> On Tue, 25 May 2010 21:10:19 +0100, johnbee wrote:

>>>

>>>> The easiest test I can suggest is to create a huge number of

>>>> directories

>>>> and

>>>> sub directories, containing lots of files, then delete them. After a

>>>> while,

>>>> pull the plug out. Have a look to see how many it has deleted. Try it

>>>> a

>>>> few times with various time delays, and also have a check on how long

>>>> it

>>>> takes to remove them from the bin.

>>>

>>> Sounds like a recipe for corrupting the drive :-(

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

>>

>>I'm not sure what you mean by corrupting the drive. If errors are caused

>>in

>>the file system, it will hardly be noticed unless chkdsk is run, which

>>will

>>correct them and the only affected files will be ones being deleted

>>anyway.

>>An operating system which can not survive losing the power isn't worth

>>tuppence. The chap was bothered because it seemed that the system would

>>not

>>delete a lot of files at once, and I said something about the reason why

>>it

>>only seemed so, and an easy way for him to convince himself of that

>>explanation. If I was scared of a computer I'd go and play with a teddy.

>

> Just to be clear. The folder, subfolders and files never get deleted

> and the Recycling dialog does not close. It was left trying for two

> hours and then I had to restart to get rid of the dialog. Examination

> of the folder and bin after the restart shows that nothing has been

> deleted. If I delete at file or subfolder level there is no problem.

> The hang up is just with one folder. Other folders with just as many

> subfolders and files go to the bin in seconds. I suspect there is some

> property of the folder that Window 7 is having difficulty with but

> everything looks normal to me.

>

> Steve

>

> --

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> EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. www.easynn.com

> SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. www.swingnn.com

> JustNN. Just Neural Networks. www.justnn.com



They have made me feel guilty for the suggesting the unplug test so I am

replying even though I have not got much of an answer but can make some

comments.

I don't see how having a virus would affect deleting a single folder, but I

have heard of recycle bin viruses. There is supposed to be a known clash

between the bin and some virus protection software but again, I don't see

how that would affect a particular folder. Obviously there could be a

security setting on a file or folder but that should merely generate a

message saying you need permission. I have also heard of problems deleting

corrupted files which lead to a PC hanging. I suppose you could try

altering the properties of the bin so files get deleted rather than binned.

So it could be quite a few things, and might be obscure enough so that you

need a bit of luck to come across someone with the same symptom. I suppose

f you are keen to find out, you could even ask Microsoft as they would of

course get the widest number of queries.

 

[Bogey Man]

"johnbee" wrote in message

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>

> "Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message

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>> On Wed, 26 May 2010 20:30:11 +0100, "johnbee"

>> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

>>>news:f87f58xp2ndq.180ikubmrzkmo$.dlg@40tude.net...

>>>> On Tue, 25 May 2010 21:10:19 +0100, johnbee wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> The easiest test I can suggest is to create a huge number of

>>>>> directories

>>>>> and

>>>>> sub directories, containing lots of files, then delete them. After a

>>>>> while,

>>>>> pull the plug out. Have a look to see how many it has deleted. Try

>>>>> it a

>>>>> few times with various time delays, and also have a check on how long

>>>>> it

>>>>> takes to remove them from the bin.

>>>>

>>>> Sounds like a recipe for corrupting the drive :-(

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

>>>

>>>I'm not sure what you mean by corrupting the drive. If errors are caused

>>>in

>>>the file system, it will hardly be noticed unless chkdsk is run, which

>>>will

>>>correct them and the only affected files will be ones being deleted

>>>anyway.

>>>An operating system which can not survive losing the power isn't worth

>>>tuppence. The chap was bothered because it seemed that the system would

>>>not

>>>delete a lot of files at once, and I said something about the reason why

>>>it

>>>only seemed so, and an easy way for him to convince himself of that

>>>explanation. If I was scared of a computer I'd go and play with a teddy.

>>

>> Just to be clear. The folder, subfolders and files never get deleted

>> and the Recycling dialog does not close. It was left trying for two

>> hours and then I had to restart to get rid of the dialog. Examination

>> of the folder and bin after the restart shows that nothing has been

>> deleted. If I delete at file or subfolder level there is no problem.

>> The hang up is just with one folder. Other folders with just as many

>> subfolders and files go to the bin in seconds. I suspect there is some

>> property of the folder that Window 7 is having difficulty with but

>> everything looks normal to me.

>>

>> Steve

>>

>> --

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>> EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. www.easynn.com

>> SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. www.swingnn.com

>> JustNN. Just Neural Networks. www.justnn.com

>

> They have made me feel guilty for the suggesting the unplug test so I am

> replying even though I have not got much of an answer but can make some

> comments.

> I don't see how having a virus would affect deleting a single folder, but

> I have heard of recycle bin viruses. There is supposed to be a known

> clash between the bin and some virus protection software but again, I

> don't see how that would affect a particular folder. Obviously there

> could be a security setting on a file or folder but that should merely

> generate a message saying you need permission. I have also heard of

> problems deleting corrupted files which lead to a PC hanging. I suppose

> you could try altering the properties of the bin so files get deleted

> rather than binned.

> So it could be quite a few things, and might be obscure enough so that you

> need a bit of luck to come across someone with the same symptom. I

> suppose f you are keen to find out, you could even ask Microsoft as they

> would of course get the widest number of queries.



I have found that when deleting a large number of files from a LIBRARY sub

folder (several thousand pictures) it can appear that the files are not

deleted. However, if I go to the actual folder under my account, the deleted

files are no longer there and have been put in the recycle bin. I have

changed my habit of deleting files from the LIBRARY hierarchy directly and

now delete the files from the folder directly under my account and all works

just fine.