Registry Cleaner

[hash]

Hello

There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal for
the vista ultimate ?

Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
purchase ? Thank you.

Regards
hash

 

[Tim]

The general consensus here is that registry cleaners create more problems
than they claim to solve. Personally, I stay away from them...free or
otherwise.

Tim

"hash" <jblog@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Hello
>
> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
> for the vista ultimate ?
>
> Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
> purchase ? Thank you.
>
> Regards
> hash

 

[antioch]

"hash" <jblog@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Hello
>
> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
> for the vista ultimate ?
>
> Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
> purchase ? Thank you.
>
> Regards
> hash

Hello Hash

I do not let any registry cleaner etc on my one and only computer.
If I get a problem then I fix it - if it aint broke don't fix it - and that
includes my registry.
If a computer owner, like me, has only basic user skills, and does not know
what goes on in the Registry, then the last thing they should use is a tool
to do it.
The problem with me(and thousands of others) of limited techno ability, is
that I have no idea what goes on in registry.
Until I am able to learn the hidden secrets in there I do not enter unless
held by the hand by somebody far more capable.
More damage can be caused than good done - it has been widely posted that
such a prog. gives a user no particular benefit.
Whether or not one gains any significant performance is questionable - I
have read more posts/articles to say that performing a registry clean does
not enhance performance to any degree.
In every thread I have read in newsgroups in the last 2
years or more, the advice has come down against these Reg Cleaners. What
your opinion is of MVP's, I do not know, but I have come to know the ones I
can trust - and most caution against their usage.
I have no problem with those who recommend/support or whatever the use of
these cleaners.
I just wish they would point out the other side of the coin to those who may
not have a clue what they are doing.
I sometimes wonder if they ever consider the capabilities of the poster to
whom they reply.
When I had my rush of blood to the head I had not heard of 'backup' and
there was no such thing as System Restore.

Antioch

 

[hash]

point taken

hash


"antioch" <antioch@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> "hash" <jblog@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:F68D8826-F2A0-4289-A972-4A94ED937056@microsoft.com...
>> Hello
>>
>> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
>> for the vista ultimate ?
>>
>> Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
>> purchase ? Thank you.
>>
>> Regards
>> hash
>
> Hello Hash
>
> I do not let any registry cleaner etc on my one and only computer.
> If I get a problem then I fix it - if it aint broke don't fix it - and
> that
> includes my registry.
> If a computer owner, like me, has only basic user skills, and does not
> know
> what goes on in the Registry, then the last thing they should use is a
> tool
> to do it.
> The problem with me(and thousands of others) of limited techno ability, is
> that I have no idea what goes on in registry.
> Until I am able to learn the hidden secrets in there I do not enter unless
> held by the hand by somebody far more capable.
> More damage can be caused than good done - it has been widely posted that
> such a prog. gives a user no particular benefit.
> Whether or not one gains any significant performance is questionable - I
> have read more posts/articles to say that performing a registry clean does
> not enhance performance to any degree.
> In every thread I have read in newsgroups in the last 2
> years or more, the advice has come down against these Reg Cleaners. What
> your opinion is of MVP's, I do not know, but I have come to know the ones
> I
> can trust - and most caution against their usage.
> I have no problem with those who recommend/support or whatever the use of
> these cleaners.
> I just wish they would point out the other side of the coin to those who
> may
> not have a clue what they are doing.
> I sometimes wonder if they ever consider the capabilities of the poster to
> whom they reply.
> When I had my rush of blood to the head I had not heard of 'backup' and
> there was no such thing as System Restore.
>
> Antioch
>
>

 

[Adam Albright]

On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:43:30 -0600, "Tim" <tim_at_overthere.com> wrote:

>The general consensus here is that registry cleaners create more problems
>than they claim to solve. Personally, I stay away from them...free or
>otherwise.

Oh please... a few guys blubbering their narrow opinions does not a
consensus make.

 

[Andrew McLaren]

"hash" <jblog@spam.com> wrote in message
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> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
> for the vista ultimate ?


In my experience, none of the available registry cleaners are reliable.
Don't use any of them.

The performance improvements that come from "cleaning" the registry are
marginal to insignficant. And the chances of permanently damaging your
applications and Windows itself are quite high.

Microsoft released a Registry cleaner back in the 1990s (I think it was just
called RegClean.exe). It was free and worked as well as any 3rd party
product. But Microsoft had to pull it from their download website, after a
few years, because it was just too risky. But it's still out there on some
download sites.

It is well recognised both inside and outside Microsoft, that the Registry
has become an unwieldy morass of data. But trying to intelligently clean it
is a very complex task, with a myriad of "special cases" and
application-specific knowldege required. And as I mentioned, the performance
benefits are usually very marginal, especially on cuurent hardware - it was
the sort of optimisation that might have mattered back on Pentium machines
with 32MB of RAM. Unfortunately it kind of stuck in the public consciousness
as a way to "speed up Windows", long after it ceased to be a significant
performance factor.

If your Registry is seriously overbloated to the extent it is affecting
performance, the best thing to do is to back up your user data, reformat
your hard disk, make a clean installation of Windows and your applications,
then restore your user data.

The only Registy utility I found which makes any significant difference to
performance (and only just very, very, slightly significant!) is Page Defrag
from SysInternals:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/pagedefrag.mspx
Note that this is only availabe for 32-bit Windows, it won't run on 64 bit.
And it is not officially supported on Vista (although it does seem to run
okay).

No 32 bit Registry utility from any vendor can work on 64 bit Windows. To
access a 64 bit registry, you need a pure 64 bit application.

Windows Live OneCare has released a Beta of a system checker which amongst
other things, purports to check and clean the Registry:
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-gb/center/whatsnew.htm
However (a) this is a Beta and (b) the jury is still out, on whther this
does any good at all - or just trashes your machine. Be very careful ...

Hope this helps,
--
Andrew McLaren
amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:36:27 +0100, "hash" <jblog@spam.com> wrote:


> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal for
> the vista ultimate ?


None at all. The best registry cleaner is no registry cleaner.

I strongly recommend *against* the use of registry cleaners. Cleaning
of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry
alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people
think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to
convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt
you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

 

[Adam Albright]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:20:11 +1000, "Andrew McLaren"
<andrew@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

>"hash" <jblog@spam.com> wrote in message
>news:F68D8826-F2A0-4289-A972-4A94ED937056@microsoft.com...
>> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
>> for the vista ultimate ?
>
>
>In my experience, none of the available registry cleaners are reliable.
>Don't use any of them.
>
>The performance improvements that come from "cleaning" the registry are
>marginal to insignficant. And the chances of permanently damaging your
>applications and Windows itself are quite high.

More opinions. Got any documentation to back them up with? No? I
didn't think so.

>If your Registry is seriously overbloated to the extent it is affecting
>performance, the best thing to do is to back up your user data, reformat
>your hard disk, make a clean installation of Windows and your applications,
>then restore your user data.

How funny. You first claim Registry Cleaners don't work, say leaving a
bloated Registry presents no problems, then you admit oh, if things
get too bad, just reformat and start from scratch. Talk about having
it both ways.

ROTFLMAO!

Suggestion: You anti Registry Cleaner guys should reread some of what
you wrote. Honest. Very funny material. The point here is nobody cares
if YOU don't use a Registry Cleaner yourselves but to blindly say
"don't use them" without giving any valid DOCUMENTED reasons why not
is a disservice to people looking for a simple, effective and
generally safe process. Can something go wrong? Sure, you can also get
run over by a bus when crossing a street, get struck by lightening.

The one thing I've learned in visiting newsgroups like this for
decades is 90% of the regular posters don't have a clue. Not a damn
clue at all, but they will defend to their last breath their right to
claim otherwise. Amusing.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

hash wrote:
> Hello
>
> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
> for the vista ultimate ?
>
> Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
> purchase ? Thank you.
>
> Regards
> hash


<Sigh!> Here we go again!

Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
using a registry cleaner?

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry scanning tool, in the hands of
an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.


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[Alias]

Bruce Chambers wrote:
> hash wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is
>> ideal for the vista ultimate ?
>>
>> Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
>> purchase ? Thank you.
>>
>> Regards
>> hash
>
>
> <Sigh!> Here we go again!
>
> Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
> specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
> bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
> using a registry cleaner?
>
> If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be
> far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
> specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
> all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
> the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
> to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
> multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
> your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.
>
> The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
> the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
> device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
> registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
> loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
> confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
> each and every change.
>
> Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
> automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
> experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
> Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
> of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
> maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
> experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
> no matter how safe they claim to be.
>
> More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
> automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
> computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been
> no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
> products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
> or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.
>
> Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
> every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
> And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
> good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
> real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
> effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
> non-existent benefits.
>
> I will concede that a good registry scanning tool, in the hands of
> an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
> time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
> changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
> registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
> Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
> in the hands of the inexperienced user.
>
>

You're so full of sh¡t, I can smell it all the way over here in Spain. I
have used Crap Cleaner's Issues feature on all three of my computers
with only positive results. A friend, who repairs computers for a
living, has used it on hundreds of computers with only positive results.
The same is true for SystemSuite, which you have admitted you've never
used yet call it "snake oil" in your usual sneering and supercilious way.

Alias

 

[Julian]

"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
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> hash wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
>> for the vista ultimate ?
>>
>> Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
>> purchase ? Thank you.
>>
>> Regards
>> hash
>
>
> <Sigh!> Here we go again!
>
> Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific
> *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing
> of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry
> cleaner?

It might help anything that accessed the register sequnetially
such as.... errr.. a registry cleaner.

That's it!
A registry cleaner might improve the performance a registry cleaner.

 

[hash]

thank you all for your comments. overwhelming consensus is approach
registry cleaners with caution. point taken.

hash


"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
news:OP$1HbwwHHA.4640@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> hash wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
>> for the vista ultimate ?
>>
>> Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
>> purchase ? Thank you.
>>
>> Regards
>> hash
>
>
> <Sigh!> Here we go again!
>
> Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific
> *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing
> of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry
> cleaner?
>
> If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be
> far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific
> key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a
> chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually
> changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the
> dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple
> changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your
> registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.
>
> The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the
> computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
> device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
> registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose
> a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that
> he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every
> change.
>
> Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
> automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
> experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
> Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
> of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
> maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
> experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no
> matter how safe they claim to be.
>
> More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
> automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
> computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no
> empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to
> "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability.
> Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.
>
> Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every
> time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since
> no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of
> them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal
> value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell
> people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits.
>
> I will concede that a good registry scanning tool, in the hands of an
> experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
> time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
> changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
> registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
> Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in
> the hands of the inexperienced user.
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think in fact, most do. -Bertrand
> Russell

 

[Adam Albright]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:30:01 +0200, Alias
<aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>You're so full of sh¡t, I can smell it all the way over here in Spain. I
>have used Crap Cleaner's Issues feature on all three of my computers
>with only positive results. A friend, who repairs computers for a
>living, has used it on hundreds of computers with only positive results.
>The same is true for SystemSuite, which you have admitted you've never
>used yet call it "snake oil" in your usual sneering and supercilious way.
>
>Alias

Pointless to try to reason with fanboys their minds are closed. I find
it amusing they knock Registry Cleaners they admit they never tried
themselves, yet they blindly sing the praises of UAC which countless
security experts and technical writes on scores of web sites and
magazines have severely critiqued.

 

[Adam Albright]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:27:15 -0600, Bruce Chambers
<bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

>hash wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
>> for the vista ultimate ?
>>
>> Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
>> purchase ? Thank you.
>>
>> Regards
>> hash
>
>
> <Sigh!> Here we go again!

You simply can't stand other people expressing THEIR opinions can you.
>
> Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
>specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
>bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
>using a registry cleaner?

Since when is a broken link contained in some Registry key imaginary?

>
> If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
>be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
>specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem.

Ah... that IS exactly what Registry Cleaners do.

>After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job?

Again, that IS what Registry Cleaners do. There is little difference
between what you can do manually with regedit and any Registry
Cleaner. With the former you need to know BEFOREHAND what's "wrong"
then waste a great deal of time using "find" to locate the keys you
need to know the name of in advance, then manually edit them one at a
time.

With a Registry Cleaner it scans ALL keys in the Registry then
presents a neat list of what it suggests is bogus, fluff, unnecessary,
or orphaned. YOU, not the application then decide which keys to
delete. Now honestly, which method is REALLY better?

>Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
>to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
>multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
>your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The point that zooms far over your head is Joe six pack doesn't have a
clue WHICH Registry keys to change. The real dire consequences arise
when somebody uses regedit to poke around in their Registry not
knowing what they're doing. Hence the market that sprung up for
Registry Cleaners. Besides, only a FOOL would pretend he knows what
each of the tens of thousands of lines in the typical Registry does.
Are you claiming that knowledge?

The biggest thing I intensely dislike about the anti-Registry Cleaner
crowd is you are all are deliberately disingenuous. You all always
make some comment about "automated deletion" when in fact every
Registry Cleaner on the market that I've tested ALSO offers the user
the opportunity to manually select WHICH keys to delete. I find it
reveling that your arguments are so weak that you need to omit that
FACT. You're just trying to scare people. That doesn't help anybody.

> The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
>the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
>device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
>registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
>loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
>confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
>each and every change.

The lie repeated. All Registry Cleaners allow you the user to select
which Registry keys you wish to delete.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Adam Albright wrote:
>
>
> Since when is a broken link contained in some Registry key imaginary?
>

The broken link may well exist, but it's not very likely to ever cause
a problem *THAT* is what is imaginary: the alleged: "problem." Why do
you always try to divert the discussion from the true subject?



>
> Again, that IS what Registry Cleaners do. There is little difference
> between what you can do manually with regedit and any Registry
> Cleaner. With the former you need to know BEFOREHAND what's "wrong"
> then waste a great deal of time using "find" to locate the keys you
> need to know the name of in advance, then manually edit them one at a
> time.
>

Knowing what's wrong usually takes a very short time, as error dialog
boxes actually contain more information than an <OK> button. Search for
the offending entry takes only moments usuing Regedit'sd search feature.
Try it someday.


>
> The point that zooms far over your head is Joe six pack doesn't have a
> clue WHICH Registry keys to change.

Given your contention above (with which I agree, by the way - it's why
registry cleaners are so unsafe in the hands of the untrained), how do
you propose that "Joe Six Pack" decide to do the following? He won't
he'll say the Hell with it and tell it to "fix all."


> All Registry Cleaners allow you the user to select
> which Registry keys you wish to delete.
>

You don't even read what you write, do you? You've proven my point.
Thank you very much!


--

Bruce Chambers

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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell

 

[Adam Albright]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:29:54 -0600, Bruce Chambers
<bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:
>>
>>
>> Since when is a broken link contained in some Registry key imaginary?
>>
>
> The broken link may well exist, but it's not very likely to ever cause
>a problem *THAT* is what is imaginary: the alleged: "problem." Why do
>you always try to divert the discussion from the true subject?

I keep you guys honest. -)

>> Again, that IS what Registry Cleaners do. There is little difference
>> between what you can do manually with regedit and any Registry
>> Cleaner. With the former you need to know BEFOREHAND what's "wrong"
>> then waste a great deal of time using "find" to locate the keys you
>> need to know the name of in advance, then manually edit them one at a
>> time.
>>
>
> Knowing what's wrong usually takes a very short time, as error dialog
>boxes actually contain more information than an <OK> button. Search for
>the offending entry takes only moments usuing Regedit'sd search feature.
> Try it someday.

Stop pretending you know more than I do. You just don't have the
smarts to pull it off. I have used Regedit and it's clumsy "find"
feature countless times. It is slow, crude and takes a good deal of
time and surprise, you have to know WHAT is wrong before you search.
That is half-ass backwards. A well written Registry Cleaner will scan
the entire Registry and present a detailed list of what it suspects is
junk then YOU the user get to decide how or if to delete anything.

>> The point that zooms far over your head is Joe six pack doesn't have a
>> clue WHICH Registry keys to change.
>
> Given your contention above (with which I agree, by the way - it's why
>registry cleaners are so unsafe in the hands of the untrained), how do
>you propose that "Joe Six Pack" decide to do the following? He won't
>he'll say the Hell with it and tell it to "fix all."

You constantly demonstrate you have little faith in other people's
abilities while always elevating your own. That spells blowhard in my
book. Why do you and others try to push the fairy tale everybody is
going to push some "fix all" button? Sure, some will, just like some
will poke around in the Registry with Regedit and delete things they
don't have a clue about either. The point is anybody can misuse any
application. What separates me from the wannabe crowd is I don't
automatically assume everybody else is a idiot like you seem to enjoy
doing.

>> All Registry Cleaners allow you the user to select
>> which Registry keys you wish to delete.

>
> You don't even read what you write, do you? You've proven my point.
>Thank you very much!

I've proven you just another windbag talking out his rear end. So many
here do that. -)

 

[hash]

i've taken a brave step which i hope is a wise one. i purchased, installed
and used RegCure a registry cleaner on my vista ultimate. it is quite an
inexpensive product - no doubt a pocket money for some of you. before using
ofcourse i kept my fingers and toes crossed.

On my first run it detected 749 errors which were cleaned, on the second 349
errors again cleaned, on third 174 errors that were cleaned too. On the
fourth run after reading some of your posts i only performed the scan and
did not clean the errors which went down to 154.

I must admit i've noticed my pc runs faster and has a very quick response to
mostly every click. though i'm not sure whether the improved performance is
attributed to RegCure or the fact that today i've installed a module of 512
mb of ram bringing my pc to a total of 1gb of ram.

yes definitely my pc now runs faster. perhaps some of you can advise me
whether to continue scanning and cleaning the errors using my registry
cleaner. thank you.

regards
hash


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:e0e793dogn11guqr3qcjnptftib77krtos@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:29:54 -0600, Bruce Chambers
> <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:
>
>>Adam Albright wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Since when is a broken link contained in some Registry key imaginary?
>>>
>>
>> The broken link may well exist, but it's not very likely to ever cause
>>a problem *THAT* is what is imaginary: the alleged: "problem." Why do
>>you always try to divert the discussion from the true subject?
>
> I keep you guys honest. -)
>
>>> Again, that IS what Registry Cleaners do. There is little difference
>>> between what you can do manually with regedit and any Registry
>>> Cleaner. With the former you need to know BEFOREHAND what's "wrong"
>>> then waste a great deal of time using "find" to locate the keys you
>>> need to know the name of in advance, then manually edit them one at a
>>> time.
>>>
>>
>> Knowing what's wrong usually takes a very short time, as error dialog
>>boxes actually contain more information than an <OK> button. Search for
>>the offending entry takes only moments usuing Regedit'sd search feature.
>> Try it someday.
>
> Stop pretending you know more than I do. You just don't have the
> smarts to pull it off. I have used Regedit and it's clumsy "find"
> feature countless times. It is slow, crude and takes a good deal of
> time and surprise, you have to know WHAT is wrong before you search.
> That is half-ass backwards. A well written Registry Cleaner will scan
> the entire Registry and present a detailed list of what it suspects is
> junk then YOU the user get to decide how or if to delete anything.
>
>>> The point that zooms far over your head is Joe six pack doesn't have a
>>> clue WHICH Registry keys to change.
>>
>> Given your contention above (with which I agree, by the way - it's why
>>registry cleaners are so unsafe in the hands of the untrained), how do
>>you propose that "Joe Six Pack" decide to do the following? He won't
>>he'll say the Hell with it and tell it to "fix all."
>
> You constantly demonstrate you have little faith in other people's
> abilities while always elevating your own. That spells blowhard in my
> book. Why do you and others try to push the fairy tale everybody is
> going to push some "fix all" button? Sure, some will, just like some
> will poke around in the Registry with Regedit and delete things they
> don't have a clue about either. The point is anybody can misuse any
> application. What separates me from the wannabe crowd is I don't
> automatically assume everybody else is a idiot like you seem to enjoy
> doing.
>
>>> All Registry Cleaners allow you the user to select
>>> which Registry keys you wish to delete.
>
>>
>> You don't even read what you write, do you? You've proven my point.
>>Thank you very much!
>
> I've proven you just another windbag talking out his rear end. So many
> here do that. -)
>

 

[Bruce Chambers]

hash wrote:
> i've taken a brave step which i hope is a wise one. i purchased,
> installed and used RegCure a registry cleaner on my vista ultimate. it
> is quite an inexpensive product - no doubt a pocket money for some of
> you. before using ofcourse i kept my fingers and toes crossed.
>
> On my first run it detected 749 errors which were cleaned, on the second
> 349 errors again cleaned, on third 174 errors that were cleaned too. On
> the fourth run after reading some of your posts i only performed the
> scan and did not clean the errors which went down to 154.
>
> I must admit i've noticed my pc runs faster and has a very quick
> response to mostly every click. though i'm not sure whether the
> improved performance is attributed to RegCure or the fact that today
> i've installed a module of 512 mb of ram bringing my pc to a total of
> 1gb of ram.
>
> yes definitely my pc now runs faster. perhaps some of you can advise me
> whether to continue scanning and cleaning the errors using my registry
> cleaner. thank you.
>


Any performance gain would be from doubling your system's RAM. This
can be easily verified by briefly removing the RAM upgrade and
performing some of the same tasks.


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[MICHAEL]

* hash:
> i've taken a brave step which i hope is a wise one. i purchased, installed
> and used RegCure a registry cleaner on my vista ultimate. it is quite an
> inexpensive product - no doubt a pocket money for some of you. before using
> ofcourse i kept my fingers and toes crossed.
>
> On my first run it detected 749 errors which were cleaned, on the second 349
> errors again cleaned, on third 174 errors that were cleaned too. On the
> fourth run after reading some of your posts i only performed the scan and
> did not clean the errors which went down to 154.
>
> I must admit i've noticed my pc runs faster and has a very quick response to
> mostly every click. though i'm not sure whether the improved performance is
> attributed to RegCure or the fact that today i've installed a module of 512
> mb of ram bringing my pc to a total of 1gb of ram.
>
> yes definitely my pc now runs faster. perhaps some of you can advise me
> whether to continue scanning and cleaning the errors using my registry
> cleaner. thank you.

It's the RAM.... if you really want an even more responsive Vista system,
bring your total RAM to 2GB. After that, you might be so pleased you
swear Vista runs almost as fast as XP.


-Michael

 

[Vigilante]

At twice the cost =)
I think Vista is ok until I try new things, it runs stable.
Interface is attractive.
It is still Windows.
Wish the UAC had more setting features for how warnings are displayed without disabling it.
All is ok or all is bad seems a bit limited in terms of how it runs programs.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It's the RAM.... if you really want an even more responsive Vista system,
bring your total RAM to 2GB. After that, you might be so pleased you
swear Vista runs almost as fast as XP.


-Michael

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message news:e2wNhx0wHHA.5008@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
* hash:
> i've taken a brave step which i hope is a wise one. i purchased, installed
> and used RegCure a registry cleaner on my vista ultimate. it is quite an
> inexpensive product - no doubt a pocket money for some of you. before using
> ofcourse i kept my fingers and toes crossed.
>
> On my first run it detected 749 errors which were cleaned, on the second 349
> errors again cleaned, on third 174 errors that were cleaned too. On the
> fourth run after reading some of your posts i only performed the scan and
> did not clean the errors which went down to 154.
>
> I must admit i've noticed my pc runs faster and has a very quick response to
> mostly every click. though i'm not sure whether the improved performance is
> attributed to RegCure or the fact that today i've installed a module of 512
> mb of ram bringing my pc to a total of 1gb of ram.
>
> yes definitely my pc now runs faster. perhaps some of you can advise me
> whether to continue scanning and cleaning the errors using my registry
> cleaner. thank you.