Disk standby in W98

[Adrian]

Conceptronic's PCI-IDE card ("csatacombo") does not support disk-standby. Is
there a way to force a disk into standby programmatically?

Adrian.

 

[Don Phillipson]

"Adrian" <xx@xx.xx> wrote in message
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> Conceptronic's PCI-IDE card ("csatacombo") does not support disk-standby.
Is
> there a way to force a disk into standby programmatically?

Win98 has procedures for system-wide standby (documented
in the help file) but not to stand one drive by independent of
the rest of the OS. Would it help to repost saying more
exactly what you want to do?

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

 

[Adrian]

"Don Phillipson" <d.phillipsonSPAMBLOCK@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> "Adrian" <xx@xx.xx> wrote in message
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>
>> Conceptronic's PCI-IDE card ("csatacombo") does not support disk-standby.
> Is
>> there a way to force a disk into standby programmatically?
>
> Win98 has procedures for system-wide standby (documented
> in the help file) but not to stand one drive by independent of
> the rest of the OS. Would it help to repost saying more
> exactly what you want to do?
>
> --
> Don Phillipson
> Carlsbad Springs
> (Ottawa, Canada)
>
>
With the help of this forum I have added a second hard drive to the existing
one of a W98 box. I have done so by means of an interface, specifically an
PCI-IDE card made by Conceptronic's PCI-IDE card, bearing the name
"csatacombo". The added drive keeps on running and cannot be put into
stand-by status via the operating system. Therefore I am asking if someone
knows how to put said disk into stand-by status by means of a software
addition, or by activating existing software (already on the box / part of
W98). Changing settings in the BIOS does not deliver the desired result (is
useless). I have been in contact with the makers of the card (Conceptronic).
They reply as follows (verbatim): "The problem is that the standby option is
not supported for this controller card."

"Would it help to repost saying more exactly what you want to do?": I hope
this is better,
Adrian.

 

[Don Phillipson]

"Adrian" <xx@xx.xx> wrote in message
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> With the help of this forum I have added a second hard drive to the
existing
> one of a W98 box. I have done so by means of an interface, specifically an
> PCI-IDE card made by Conceptronic's PCI-IDE card, bearing the name
> "csatacombo". The added drive keeps on running and cannot be put into
> stand-by status via the operating system. Therefore I am asking if someone
> knows how to put said disk into stand-by status by means of a software
> addition, or by activating existing software (already on the box / part of
> W98). Changing settings in the BIOS does not deliver the desired result
(is
> useless). I have been in contact with the makers of the card
(Conceptronic).
> They reply as follows (verbatim): "The problem is that the standby option
is
> not supported for this controller card."

1. We still do not know whether your second hard drive
cannot be connected to an existing IDE socket on your
PC motherboard.
2. Your card name cSATAcombo hints it may have been
designed for Vista via SATA as distinct from IDE.
Vanilla Win98 cannot manage SATA drives (because
programmed before SATA drives came on the consumer
market.)

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

 

[Adrian]

"Don Phillipson" <d.phillipsonSPAMBLOCK@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> "Adrian" <xx@xx.xx> wrote in message
> news:46e83c6a$0$24397$5fc3050@news.tiscali.nl...
>
>> With the help of this forum I have added a second hard drive to the
> existing
>> one of a W98 box. I have done so by means of an interface, specifically
>> an
>> PCI-IDE card made by Conceptronic's PCI-IDE card, bearing the name
>> "csatacombo". The added drive keeps on running and cannot be put into
>> stand-by status via the operating system. Therefore I am asking if
>> someone
>> knows how to put said disk into stand-by status by means of a software
>> addition, or by activating existing software (already on the box / part
>> of
>> W98). Changing settings in the BIOS does not deliver the desired result
> (is
>> useless). I have been in contact with the makers of the card
> (Conceptronic).
>> They reply as follows (verbatim): "The problem is that the standby option
> is
>> not supported for this controller card."
>

(Q)
> 1. We still do not know whether your second hard drive
> cannot be connected to an existing IDE socket on your
> PC motherboard.

(A)
The BIOS refused to detect the secondary master, therefore I installed a
PCI-IDE card.

(Q)
> 2. Your card name cSATAcombo hints it may have been
> designed for Vista via SATA as distinct from IDE.
> Vanilla Win98 cannot manage SATA drives (because
> programmed before SATA drives came on the consumer
> market.)
>

(A)
(a) The packaging of the card explicitly states "IDE"
(b) The set-up is "up and running" ok, so the interface must be coping with
the IDE spec.requirements.

Given the fact that the second drive will not go ino stand-by mode, like the
other drive, my question was whether that mode cannot be achieved with
additional software or by activating existing software (one of the .EXEs in
Windows, a bat-file command, or software - C# is what I develop in).

Adrian.

 

[Adrian]

PS I tried getting hold of a BIOS update, but did not succeed.

 

[MEB]

"Adrian" <xx@xx.xx> wrote in message
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| PS I tried getting hold of a BIOS update, but did not succeed.
|

Uhm, must have missed what motherboard you were using???

As for standby mode,, WHY?

One of the major issues with hard drives IS the startup and spindown
cycling, that is the most crucial time period. Unless you're running a
laptop or on some battery supplied voltage, what is your reason for wanting
hard drive standby?

Likely the manufacturer is correct, if they say it does not support that
mode, as it is their chipset being used, I would tend to think they might be
right.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

 

[Dan]

I agree with you MEB. Standby mode causes all kinds of trouble and I also do
not like the shut down your hard drive feature in XP. It is all these
features and no one just seems to want to shut down the computer fully
anymore. I like using a screen saver and also let the computer turn off the
monitor. I do not use system standby, hibernation, turning off hard drives,
etc. I think these features cause wear and tear on your computer and really
are not all that great at least they are not useful to me.

"MEB" wrote:

>
>
> "Adrian" <xx@xx.xx> wrote in message
> news:46e86d89$0$24394$5fc3050@news.tiscali.nl...
> | PS I tried getting hold of a BIOS update, but did not succeed.
> |
>
> Uhm, must have missed what motherboard you were using???
>
> As for standby mode,, WHY?
>
> One of the major issues with hard drives IS the startup and spindown
> cycling, that is the most crucial time period. Unless you're running a
> laptop or on some battery supplied voltage, what is your reason for wanting
> hard drive standby?
>
> Likely the manufacturer is correct, if they say it does not support that
> mode, as it is their chipset being used, I would tend to think they might be
> right.
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> ________
>
>
>
>

 

[Adrian]

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>I agree with you MEB. Standby mode causes all kinds of trouble and I also
>do
> not like the shut down your hard drive feature in XP. It is all these
> features and no one just seems to want to shut down the computer fully
> anymore. I like using a screen saver and also let the computer turn off
> the
> monitor. I do not use system standby, hibernation, turning off hard
> drives,
> etc. I think these features cause wear and tear on your computer and
> really
> are not all that great at least they are not useful to me.
>
> "MEB" wrote:

Re Dan and Meb,

OK, in both your opinions I should not want to put the drive in stand-by
mode, because of the wear and tear that would put on the hardware. I think
have a valid point there. Thank you for your views.

Regards,
Adrian.

 

[Ingeborg]

Adrian wrote:

> Conceptronic's PCI-IDE card ("csatacombo") does not support
> disk-standby. Is there a way to force a disk into standby
> programmatically?
>

hdparm is able to do so. But I don't know if it will run on W9x.
<http://hdparm-win32.dyndns.org/hdparm/>

 

[Adrian]

"Ingeborg" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message
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> Adrian wrote:
>
>> Conceptronic's PCI-IDE card ("csatacombo") does not support
>> disk-standby. Is there a way to force a disk into standby
>> programmatically?
>>
>
> hdparm is able to do so. But I don't know if it will run on W9x.
> <http://hdparm-win32.dyndns.org/hdparm/>

Hi Ingeborg,

Noodling around Google I came across a remark that usage might cause
overpowering when switch-off and switch-on are too close. I haven't tried
the application yet, somewhat reluctant because of that remark. Thaks a lot
though.

Adrian.

 

[teebo]

>> hdparm is able to do so. But I don't know if it will run on W9x.
>> <http://hdparm-win32.dyndns.org/hdparm/>
>
> Hi Ingeborg,
> Noodling around Google I came across a remark that usage might cause
> overpowering when switch-off and switch-on are too close. I haven't tried
> the application yet, somewhat reluctant because of that remark. Thaks a
> lot
> though.

reading a bit about hdparm it seems to be a nice program to
turn off/on harddisk and some other settings, but some of the
settings can kill your harddisk if I understand wikipedia right...

I haven't found any comments about "overpowering" though... do you
remember where you found info about that?

One nice thing hdparm seems to be able to is let the second harddisk
be turned off when I start the computer and only start it when/if needed
and so make the computer a more silent. But if the bios don't know what
command
it should send to the disk to turn it on it could be stuck in "off" mode
:-(
so I'm a little afraid to just try... how can I find out if my computers
bios does have support for this thing?

 

[Adrian]

"teebo" <no@mail.no> wrote in message newsp.tzb2xticbr8ivg@300pl...
>>> hdparm is able to do so. But I don't know if it will run on W9x.
>>> <http://hdparm-win32.dyndns.org/hdparm/>
>>
<snipped>

> so I'm a little afraid to just try... how can I find out if my computers
> bios does have support for this thing?

This is what it says in the opening frame of the installer:

*** WARNING: THE WINDOWS VERSION IS STILL EXPERIMENTAL
*** AND NOT WELL TESTED. USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK!!
BSD-Style Open Source License:
You may freely use, modify, and redistribute the hdparm program,
as either binary or source, or both.
The only condition is that my name and copyright notice
remain in the source code as-is.
Mark Lord (mlord@pobox.com)

So using the application appears to be a bit of a gamble,

Adrian.

 

[Adrian]

"Adrian" <xx@xx.xx> wrote in message
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> "teebo" <no@mail.no> wrote in message newsp.tzb2xticbr8ivg@300pl...
>>>> hdparm is able to do so. But I don't know if it will run on W9x.
>>>> <http://hdparm-win32.dyndns.org/hdparm/>
>>>
> <snipped>
>
>> so I'm a little afraid to just try... how can I find out if my computers
>> bios does have support for this thing?
>
> This is what it says in the opening frame of the installer:
>
> *** WARNING: THE WINDOWS VERSION IS STILL EXPERIMENTAL
> *** AND NOT WELL TESTED. USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK!!
> BSD-Style Open Source License:
> You may freely use, modify, and redistribute the hdparm program,
> as either binary or source, or both.
> The only condition is that my name and copyright notice
> remain in the source code as-is.
> Mark Lord (mlord@pobox.com)
>
> So using the application appears to be a bit of a gamble,
>
> Adrian.
>
I see that the above warning does not apply to the one but latest dated
version.

Adrian.