Have memory leaks? Hibernate...

B

Bob

I'd mentioned a few days back that Hibernate seems to do an excellent
job of cleaning up memory leaks altho my hibernations (only) averaged
about 10 seconds. Like catnaps, these short hibernation sessions
seemed to really revitalize the system performance. I'm sorry if I'm
beating on a dead horse but I have seen no mention of a refreshing and
memory cleansing associated with hibernate. A reboot has always been
needed to get such a refreshing effect.

I have to report a couple errata...
First the (System Monitor) reported available memory after Hibernating
is 366 MB, not 300 MB (on a 512 MB RAM system).
Second, and probably more significant, the nature of my hibernate
sessions has changed and I can't explain why. Today true hibernation
occurs.

The other day I said the extent of a hibernation session was about 10
seconds. After 10 seconds my computer resumed operation with the
memory cleansed from (plus an increment from 244 MB max to 300 MB
max).

At first Start ->Shutdown->Hibernate was followed in a second or two
by a black screen and the green Power On Led at the front of the
monitor going off. Eight seconds after that the monitor would regain
power and shows the usual desk top.

That has changed and the monitor is NOT automatically
returning to active status. Instead the computer appears to shutdown.
The fans on the PSU and CPU turn off. The leds that I usually look at
show the system is off go off. It stays that way even if I mouse or
press keys on the keyboard including Ctrl-Alt-Del. When I press the
Power-on button at the front of the chassis, hold it for a second or
two, then it appears to do a normal restart except, after the usual
boot-up messages appear on the screen, something like a white status
bar appears at the bottom of the screen with a message about
Hibernation is over. A few seconds everything appears to be better as
I reported previously.

Bottom line is my original report that System Monitor indicates
Hibernate cleans up memory leaks plus adds another increment of memory
for the Users space still seems valid. But, instead of taking just
ten seconds and with no other user action, now it appears that one
will go thru a true hibernation cycle and these take me at least a
minute.

Hope this helps,
Bob
 
M

Mike M

Bob,

With the greatest of respect I feel you are to a fair extent wasting your
time, especially in posting to this newsgroup, since many of those who
might have been interested went down the path you are now travelling six
and seven years ago. Win Me is long out of even extended support. No-one
is going to fix any problems that you might (think you) have found.
Microsoft isn't going to respond and those that might have been able to
help and offer suggestions did so seven years ago when Win Me was first
released in mid 2000 and have since moved on, first to XP, then Win2K3 and
now Vista and are busy testing XP SP3 and Vista SP1. Remember that much
of what you are discovering today was reported by others including myself
in these newsgroups six and seven years ago.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com



Bob <SierraBrother@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd mentioned a few days back that Hibernate seems to do an excellent
> job of cleaning up memory leaks altho my hibernations (only) averaged
> about 10 seconds. Like catnaps, these short hibernation sessions
> seemed to really revitalize the system performance. I'm sorry if I'm
> beating on a dead horse but I have seen no mention of a refreshing and
> memory cleansing associated with hibernate. A reboot has always been
> needed to get such a refreshing effect.
>
> I have to report a couple errata...
> First the (System Monitor) reported available memory after Hibernating
> is 366 MB, not 300 MB (on a 512 MB RAM system).
> Second, and probably more significant, the nature of my hibernate
> sessions has changed and I can't explain why. Today true hibernation
> occurs.
>
> The other day I said the extent of a hibernation session was about 10
> seconds. After 10 seconds my computer resumed operation with the
> memory cleansed from (plus an increment from 244 MB max to 300 MB
> max).
>
> At first Start ->Shutdown->Hibernate was followed in a second or two
> by a black screen and the green Power On Led at the front of the
> monitor going off. Eight seconds after that the monitor would regain
> power and shows the usual desk top.
>
> That has changed and the monitor is NOT automatically
> returning to active status. Instead the computer appears to shutdown.
> The fans on the PSU and CPU turn off. The leds that I usually look at
> show the system is off go off. It stays that way even if I mouse or
> press keys on the keyboard including Ctrl-Alt-Del. When I press the
> Power-on button at the front of the chassis, hold it for a second or
> two, then it appears to do a normal restart except, after the usual
> boot-up messages appear on the screen, something like a white status
> bar appears at the bottom of the screen with a message about
> Hibernation is over. A few seconds everything appears to be better as
> I reported previously.
>
> Bottom line is my original report that System Monitor indicates
> Hibernate cleans up memory leaks plus adds another increment of memory
> for the Users space still seems valid. But, instead of taking just
> ten seconds and with no other user action, now it appears that one
> will go thru a true hibernation cycle and these take me at least a
> minute.
 
G

Greegor

Mike, Is this newsgroup just to tell people with WinME to quit?

Sure, the MASS MARKET has moved on.

Do you happen to remember if the memory leak
problem was ever fixed by Microsoft or somebody else?

I for one was happy to read Bob's observations.
 
M

Mike M

Greegor <Greegor47@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike, Is this newsgroup just to tell people with WinME to quit?


Not at all, those requesting help have always received it here.

> Sure, the MASS MARKET has moved on.


Not just the mass market but also those who wish to use the internet and
have a reasonably secure system.

> Do you happen to remember if the memory leak
> problem was ever fixed by Microsoft or somebody else?


Let Google, Yahoo or perhaps even MSN be your friend but sadly many of the
Microsoft KB articles for unsupported operating systems and applications
have been archived and are no longer available.

> I for one was happy to read Bob's observations.


In which case you might want to use Google Groups and find out what has
been said before and what might be new although sadly Google seem to have
archived many of the older postings, either that or their search is
fubared..
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com
 
M

Mart

Mike, for those who wish to resurrect the topic, or perhaps get a clearer
understanding then maybe a couple of good starting points are visits to Jim
Eshelman's site -
http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm

or Chris Quirke's site -
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/software.htm

where amongst (many!) other things, both Jim and Chris discuss the issue of
"Memory Leaks" - (Use Edit / "Find on this Page" - leak)

Mart


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:uD9V89%23BIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Greegor <Greegor47@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike, Is this newsgroup just to tell people with WinME to quit?

>
> Not at all, those requesting help have always received it here.
>
>> Sure, the MASS MARKET has moved on.

>
> Not just the mass market but also those who wish to use the internet and
> have a reasonably secure system.
>
>> Do you happen to remember if the memory leak
>> problem was ever fixed by Microsoft or somebody else?

>
> Let Google, Yahoo or perhaps even MSN be your friend but sadly many of the
> Microsoft KB articles for unsupported operating systems and applications
> have been archived and are no longer available.
>
>> I for one was happy to read Bob's observations.

>
> In which case you might want to use Google Groups and find out what has
> been said before and what might be new although sadly Google seem to have
> archived many of the older postings, either that or their search is
> fubared..
> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
 
B

Bob

Thank you everybody for your contribution. They are all great.

A question for the experts - I've read a lot of what you posted. It
still is not clear what is going on. I start out at 300+ MB available
memory. Leaving the system up overnight, the next moring I am usually
down to 12 MB available. My AV and ZoneAlarm are running plus System
Monitor. My cable connection is alive but I have no automatic email
checks or anything else but the occasional ZA spyware updating going
on. Am I seeing a serious leak or is this the result of Vcache
anticipation or ??

Before my initial post on Hibernation, I did do some research via
google in all newsgroups it indexes. I don't recall finding a
reference to Eschelman's web material or any of the others brought up
in this set of postings.

I thought it was odd. But as Mike M just noted (and others
elsewhere),
"... sadly many of the
Microsoft KB articles for unsupported operating systems and
applications
have been archived and are no longer available. "
....
"In which case you might want to use Google Groups and find out what
has
been said before and what might be new although sadly Google seem to
have
archived many of the older postings, either that or their search is
fubared..."

After I noticed the characteristics of hibernation on my system
changing, I tried using a Google search to return to this NG but
Google's search didn't report my entry.

So I sent Google a question as to how frequently they index newsgroups
or was it the case that they have an agreement with Microsoft to not
index topics Microsoft declares dead. They haven't replied (yet) but
I finally noticed that Google provides each of us individually with
sort of a personal FAQ and that is a useful tool for following up on
our questions. (When did they start doing this?)

My bottom line is there is considerable fubarring (a nice way to say
it) going on...

HTH
Bob


On Oct 6, 4:49 am, "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:
> Mike, for those who wish to resurrect the topic, or perhaps get a clearer
> understanding then maybe a couple of good starting points are visits to Jim
> Eshelman's site -http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>
> or Chris Quirke's site -http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/software.htm
>
> where amongst (many!) other things, both Jim and Chris discuss the issue of
> "MemoryLeaks" - (Use Edit / "Find on this Page" - leak)
>
> Mart
>
> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
>
> news:uD9V89%23BIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
> > Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> >> Mike, Is this newsgroup just to tell people with WinME to quit?

>
> > Not at all, those requesting helphavealways received it here.

>
> >> Sure, the MASS MARKET has moved on.

>
> > Not just the mass market but also those who wish to use the internet and
> >havea reasonably secure system.

>
> >> Do you happen to remember if thememoryleak
> >> problem was ever fixed by Microsoft or somebody else?

>
> > Let Google, Yahoo or perhaps even MSN be your friend but sadly many of the
> > Microsoft KB articles for unsupported operating systems and applications
> >havebeen archived and are no longer available.

>
> >> I for one was happy to read Bob's observations.

>
> > In which case you might want to use Google Groups and find out what has
> > been said before and what might be new although sadly Google seem tohave
> > archived many of the older postings, either that or their search is
> > fubared..
> > --
> > Mike Maltby
> > mike.mal...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -
 
M

Mike M

Google does not filter out newsgroup topics. For newsgroups it appears to
have discarded many older posting but I suspect that is an index problem,
hopefully temporary, as otherwise the net will have lost a great resource.
In addition there are also posters who for some reason use the X-NoArchive
header which Google respects and discards posts so marked after, I
believe, a month.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


Bob <SierraBrother@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you everybody for your contribution. They are all great.
>
> A question for the experts - I've read a lot of what you posted. It
> still is not clear what is going on. I start out at 300+ MB available
> memory. Leaving the system up overnight, the next moring I am usually
> down to 12 MB available. My AV and ZoneAlarm are running plus System
> Monitor. My cable connection is alive but I have no automatic email
> checks or anything else but the occasional ZA spyware updating going
> on. Am I seeing a serious leak or is this the result of Vcache
> anticipation or ??
>
> Before my initial post on Hibernation, I did do some research via
> google in all newsgroups it indexes. I don't recall finding a
> reference to Eschelman's web material or any of the others brought up
> in this set of postings.
>
> I thought it was odd. But as Mike M just noted (and others
> elsewhere),
> "... sadly many of the
> Microsoft KB articles for unsupported operating systems and
> applications
> have been archived and are no longer available. "
> ...
> "In which case you might want to use Google Groups and find out what
> has
> been said before and what might be new although sadly Google seem to
> have
> archived many of the older postings, either that or their search is
> fubared..."
>
> After I noticed the characteristics of hibernation on my system
> changing, I tried using a Google search to return to this NG but
> Google's search didn't report my entry.
>
> So I sent Google a question as to how frequently they index newsgroups
> or was it the case that they have an agreement with Microsoft to not
> index topics Microsoft declares dead. They haven't replied (yet) but
> I finally noticed that Google provides each of us individually with
> sort of a personal FAQ and that is a useful tool for following up on
> our questions. (When did they start doing this?)
>
> My bottom line is there is considerable fubarring (a nice way to say
> it) going on...
 
D

Dapper Dan

Bob

I haven't followed this thread closely so if my suggestion has been
recommended, please disregard below.

I seem to recall that ZA could be a resource hog. As a matter of fact, on
the recommendation of some of the gurus in this NG several years ago, I
uninstalled ZA and replaced it with Kerio 2.1.5, an effective Firewall
utility with a very small footprint. Also, I don't know what AV you are
running but if it's McAfee or Norton, you would be well advised to consider
replacing it. Again, on the recommendation of this NG, I installed Avast
(freeware) and have been completely satisfied.

You can check out what ZA and your AV uses by shutting them down overnight.
Just make sure to disconnect from the internet.

Hope this helps

Dan
"Bob" <SierraBrother@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191939667.227996.181040@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> Thank you everybody for your contribution. They are all great.
>
> A question for the experts - I've read a lot of what you posted. It
> still is not clear what is going on. I start out at 300+ MB available
> memory. Leaving the system up overnight, the next moring I am usually
> down to 12 MB available. My AV and ZoneAlarm are running plus System
> Monitor. My cable connection is alive but I have no automatic email
> checks or anything else but the occasional ZA spyware updating going
> on. Am I seeing a serious leak or is this the result of Vcache
> anticipation or ??
>
> Before my initial post on Hibernation, I did do some research via
> google in all newsgroups it indexes. I don't recall finding a
> reference to Eschelman's web material or any of the others brought up
> in this set of postings.
>
> I thought it was odd. But as Mike M just noted (and others
> elsewhere),
> "... sadly many of the
> Microsoft KB articles for unsupported operating systems and
> applications
> have been archived and are no longer available. "
> ...
> "In which case you might want to use Google Groups and find out what
> has
> been said before and what might be new although sadly Google seem to
> have
> archived many of the older postings, either that or their search is
> fubared..."
>
> After I noticed the characteristics of hibernation on my system
> changing, I tried using a Google search to return to this NG but
> Google's search didn't report my entry.
>
> So I sent Google a question as to how frequently they index newsgroups
> or was it the case that they have an agreement with Microsoft to not
> index topics Microsoft declares dead. They haven't replied (yet) but
> I finally noticed that Google provides each of us individually with
> sort of a personal FAQ and that is a useful tool for following up on
> our questions. (When did they start doing this?)
>
> My bottom line is there is considerable fubarring (a nice way to say
> it) going on...
>
> HTH
> Bob
>
>
> On Oct 6, 4:49 am, "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>> Mike, for those who wish to resurrect the topic, or perhaps get a clearer
>> understanding then maybe a couple of good starting points are visits to
>> Jim
>> Eshelman's site -http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>>
>> or Chris Quirke's site -http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/software.htm
>>
>> where amongst (many!) other things, both Jim and Chris discuss the issue
>> of
>> "MemoryLeaks" - (Use Edit / "Find on this Page" - leak)
>>
>> Mart
>>
>> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
>>
>> news:uD9V89%23BIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> >> Mike, Is this newsgroup just to tell people with WinME to quit?

>>
>> > Not at all, those requesting helphavealways received it here.

>>
>> >> Sure, the MASS MARKET has moved on.

>>
>> > Not just the mass market but also those who wish to use the internet
>> > and
>> >havea reasonably secure system.

>>
>> >> Do you happen to remember if thememoryleak
>> >> problem was ever fixed by Microsoft or somebody else?

>>
>> > Let Google, Yahoo or perhaps even MSN be your friend but sadly many of
>> > the
>> > Microsoft KB articles for unsupported operating systems and
>> > applications
>> >havebeen archived and are no longer available.

>>
>> >> I for one was happy to read Bob's observations.

>>
>> > In which case you might want to use Google Groups and find out what has
>> > been said before and what might be new although sadly Google seem
>> > tohave
>> > archived many of the older postings, either that or their search is
>> > fubared..
>> > --
>> > Mike Maltby
>> > mike.mal...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text -

>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
>
 
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