What is this folder?

[Sudy Nim]

I'm using w98se and I opened this folder. Could someone tell me what it is and
can it be deleted?

C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information
126 Files, 34 Folders (some Read-only, some Hidden)
16.1MB

 

[PCR]

Sudy Nim wrote:
| I'm using w98se and I opened this folder. Could someone tell me what
| it is and can it be deleted?
|
| C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information
| 126 Files, 34 Folders (some Read-only, some Hidden)
| 16.1MB

Mine is only... 79 files, 29 folders, 11,751,424 bytes. And, that folder
is mentioned in my Registry 62 times. Here is the 62th...

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Advanced INF Setup\vgxupdate]
"BackupRegPathName"="C:\\PROGRA~1\\UNINST~1\\VGXUPD~1\\AINF0000"
"BackupRegSize"=dword:00002000
"BackupFileName"="C:\\Program Files\\Uninstall
Information\\vgxupdate\\vgxupdate.DAT"
"BackupFileSize"=dword:0014fa46
"BackupPath"="C:\\Program Files\\Uninstall Information\\vgxupdate"
"InstallINFFile"="c:\\windows\\TEMP\\IXP000.TMP\\Q833989_d.inf"
"InstallINFSection"="DefaultInstall"
"BackupRegistry"="y"
"ComponentVersion"="28001411"

And here is the folder mentioned in that one...

C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information\vgxupdate>dir /a /s
Directory of C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information\vgxupdate
VGXUPD~1 DAT 1,374,790 09-15-04 3:20p vgxupdate.DAT
VGXUPD~1 INI 153 09-15-04 3:20p vgxupdate.INI
AINF0000 8,192 09-15-04 3:20p AINF0000
3 file(s) 1,383,135 bytes

Looks to me these are important system folders! I am content to let them
be!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[thanatoid]

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
news:Onhfn#4CIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> Sudy Nim wrote:
>| I'm using w98se and I opened this folder. Could someone
>| tell me what it is and can it be deleted?
>|
>| C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information
>| 126 Files, 34 Folders (some Read-only, some Hidden)
>| 16.1MB
>
> Mine is only... 79 files, 29 folders, 11,751,424 bytes.
> And, that folder is mentioned in my Registry 62 times. Here
> is the 62th...
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Advanced INF
> Setup\vgxupdate]
> "BackupRegPathName"="C:\\PROGRA~1\\UNINST~1\\VGXUPD~1\\AINF0
> 000" "BackupRegSize"=dword:00002000
> "BackupFileName"="C:\\Program Files\\Uninstall
> Information\\vgxupdate\\vgxupdate.DAT"
> "BackupFileSize"=dword:0014fa46
> "BackupPath"="C:\\Program Files\\Uninstall
> Information\\vgxupdate"
> "InstallINFFile"="c:\\windows\\TEMP\\IXP000.TMP\\Q833989_d.i
> nf" "InstallINFSection"="DefaultInstall"
> "BackupRegistry"="y"
> "ComponentVersion"="28001411"
>
> And here is the folder mentioned in that one...
>
> C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information\vgxupdate>dir /a /s
> Directory of C:\Program Files\Uninstall
> Information\vgxupdate VGXUPD~1 DAT 1,374,790 09-15-04
> 3:20p vgxupdate.DAT VGXUPD~1 INI 153 09-15-04
> 3:20p vgxupdate.INI AINF0000 8,192
> 09-15-04 3:20p AINF0000
> 3 file(s) 1,383,135 bytes
>
> Looks to me these are important system folders! I am
> content to let them be!
>
>

I disagree. I guess it depends on whether you are someone that
has backup copies of all their program install files or not, and
how you feel about MS Installer (the way *I* feel about is is
that when I see the application uses it, I delete it and find an
alternative - there ALWAYS is one).

Anyway, I noticed that directory some time ago on my other
machine (runs Win98SE Lite) and did not like the size or looks
of it. I looked inside, and - disclaimer!!!IIRC!!!getting old!!!
- all the stuff in it were basically copies of entire install
files of programs which use MS Installer. (I HAVE allowed that
disease into my machines in the past, but I have since cleaned
up our act.)

All the ACTUAL uninstall information needed for most programs is
usually one file under 200KB (often under 10KB), sometimes
called uninstall.inf (or something) and found in the program
directory. Or sometimes somewhere in the registry.

This whole "C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information" directory is
just another of those space-wasting (to put it mildly) "let's
make it easier for the clueless" Microsoft "innovations".

Besides, FEW are the programs which uninstall as they should. I
ALWAYS use InCtrl for installs and then check for leftovers with
the InCtrl install file and remove the crap uninstalling almost
always leaves behind.

 

[Sudy Nim]

"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns99C5D571D745Athanexit@66.250.146.158...
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
> news:Onhfn#4CIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>
> > Sudy Nim wrote:
> >| I'm using w98se and I opened this folder. Could someone
> >| tell me what it is and can it be deleted?
> >|
> >| C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information
> >| 126 Files, 34 Folders (some Read-only, some Hidden)
> >| 16.1MB
> >
> > Mine is only... 79 files, 29 folders, 11,751,424 bytes.
> > And, that folder is mentioned in my Registry 62 times. Here
> > is the 62th...
> >
> > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Advanced INF
> > Setup\vgxupdate]
> > "BackupRegPathName"="C:\\PROGRA~1\\UNINST~1\\VGXUPD~1\\AINF0
> > 000" "BackupRegSize"=dword:00002000
> > "BackupFileName"="C:\\Program Files\\Uninstall
> > Information\\vgxupdate\\vgxupdate.DAT"
> > "BackupFileSize"=dword:0014fa46
> > "BackupPath"="C:\\Program Files\\Uninstall
> > Information\\vgxupdate"
> > "InstallINFFile"="c:\\windows\\TEMP\\IXP000.TMP\\Q833989_d.i
> > nf" "InstallINFSection"="DefaultInstall"
> > "BackupRegistry"="y"
> > "ComponentVersion"="28001411"
> >
> > And here is the folder mentioned in that one...
> >
> > C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information\vgxupdate>dir /a /s
> > Directory of C:\Program Files\Uninstall
> > Information\vgxupdate VGXUPD~1 DAT 1,374,790 09-15-04
> > 3:20p vgxupdate.DAT VGXUPD~1 INI 153 09-15-04
> > 3:20p vgxupdate.INI AINF0000 8,192
> > 09-15-04 3:20p AINF0000
> > 3 file(s) 1,383,135 bytes
> >
> > Looks to me these are important system folders! I am
> > content to let them be!
> >
> >
>
> I disagree. I guess it depends on whether you are someone that
> has backup copies of all their program install files or not, and
> how you feel about MS Installer (the way *I* feel about is is
> that when I see the application uses it, I delete it and find an
> alternative - there ALWAYS is one).
>
> Anyway, I noticed that directory some time ago on my other
> machine (runs Win98SE Lite) and did not like the size or looks
> of it. I looked inside, and - disclaimer!!!IIRC!!!getting old!!!
> - all the stuff in it were basically copies of entire install
> files of programs which use MS Installer. (I HAVE allowed that
> disease into my machines in the past, but I have since cleaned
> up our act.)
>
> All the ACTUAL uninstall information needed for most programs is
> usually one file under 200KB (often under 10KB), sometimes
> called uninstall.inf (or something) and found in the program
> directory. Or sometimes somewhere in the registry.
>
> This whole "C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information" directory is
> just another of those space-wasting (to put it mildly) "let's
> make it easier for the clueless" Microsoft "innovations".
>
> Besides, FEW are the programs which uninstall as they should. I
> ALWAYS use InCtrl for installs and then check for leftovers with
> the InCtrl install file and remove the crap uninstalling almost
> always leaves behind.

Thank you for your replies. I'll try moving the files or renaming the folder
and see what develops? Sudy Nim

 

[thanatoid]

"Sudy Nim" <pseudonym@noplace.com> wrote in
news:nbvPi.666038$p47.428972@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.ne
t:

<SNIP>

> Thank you for your replies. I'll try moving the files or
> renaming the folder and see what develops? Sudy Nim

Yeah, just rename it and if try to uninstall a program that's in
it. If it uninstalls anyway, delete the folder or just back it
up somewhere if you have the HD space or spare CD-R.

If the program will NOT uninstall, check the Control Panel
uninstall as well as the program's own directory for an
uninstall exe.

I tend to get a little obsessive about not having anything but
essential files/directories, but with these days of huge drives,
it's not really such a big deal.

 

[PCR]

Sudy Nim wrote:
| "thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
| news:Xns99C5D571D745Athanexit@66.250.146.158...
|> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
|> news:Onhfn#4CIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
|>
|> > Sudy Nim wrote:
|> >| I'm using w98se and I opened this folder. Could someone
|> >| tell me what it is and can it be deleted?
|> >|
|> >| C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information
|> >| 126 Files, 34 Folders (some Read-only, some Hidden)
|> >| 16.1MB
|> >
|> > Mine is only... 79 files, 29 folders, 11,751,424 bytes.
|> > And, that folder is mentioned in my Registry 62 times. Here
|> > is the 62th...
|> >
|> > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Advanced INF
|> > Setup\vgxupdate]
|> > "BackupRegPathName"="C:\\PROGRA~1\\UNINST~1\\VGXUPD~1\\AINF0
|> > 000" "BackupRegSize"=dword:00002000
|> > "BackupFileName"="C:\\Program Files\\Uninstall
|> > Information\\vgxupdate\\vgxupdate.DAT"
|> > "BackupFileSize"=dword:0014fa46
|> > "BackupPath"="C:\\Program Files\\Uninstall
|> > Information\\vgxupdate"
|> > "InstallINFFile"="c:\\windows\\TEMP\\IXP000.TMP\\Q833989_d.i
|> > nf" "InstallINFSection"="DefaultInstall"
|> > "BackupRegistry"="y"
|> > "ComponentVersion"="28001411"
|> >
|> > And here is the folder mentioned in that one...
|> >
|> > C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information\vgxupdate>dir /a /s
|> > Directory of C:\Program Files\Uninstall
|> > Information\vgxupdate VGXUPD~1 DAT 1,374,790 09-15-04
|> > 3:20p vgxupdate.DAT VGXUPD~1 INI 153 09-15-04
|> > 3:20p vgxupdate.INI AINF0000 8,192
|> > 09-15-04 3:20p AINF0000
|> > 3 file(s) 1,383,135 bytes
|> >
|> > Looks to me these are important system folders! I am
|> > content to let them be!
|> >
|> >
|>
|> I disagree. I guess it depends on whether you are someone that
|> has backup copies of all their program install files or not, and
|> how you feel about MS Installer (the way *I* feel about is is
|> that when I see the application uses it, I delete it and find an
|> alternative - there ALWAYS is one).
|>
|> Anyway, I noticed that directory some time ago on my other
|> machine (runs Win98SE Lite) and did not like the size or looks
|> of it. I looked inside, and - disclaimer!!!IIRC!!!getting old!!!
|> - all the stuff in it were basically copies of entire install
|> files of programs which use MS Installer. (I HAVE allowed that
|> disease into my machines in the past, but I have since cleaned
|> up our act.)
|>
|> All the ACTUAL uninstall information needed for most programs is
|> usually one file under 200KB (often under 10KB), sometimes
|> called uninstall.inf (or something) and found in the program
|> directory. Or sometimes somewhere in the registry.
|>
|> This whole "C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information" directory is
|> just another of those space-wasting (to put it mildly) "let's
|> make it easier for the clueless" Microsoft "innovations".
|>
|> Besides, FEW are the programs which uninstall as they should. I
|> ALWAYS use InCtrl for installs and then check for leftovers with
|> the InCtrl install file and remove the crap uninstalling almost
|> always leaves behind.
|
| Thank you for your replies. I'll try moving the files or renaming the
| folder and see what develops? Sudy Nim

Well, I really don't know, but to me it STILL looks dangerous to just
delete the folder. You might have to go after the Registry keys too! Who
knows whether an attempt to uninstall one of the programs in that folder
wouldn't crash the computer otherwise!

Also -- even if you delete both the folder & the Registry keys -- who
knows whether you'd crash, anyhow, when trying to uninstall one of the
particular programs you've got in there (& you've got more than me).
And, even if you don't crash, who knows whether you'd be able to
uninstall it at all? Or -- even if the uninstall does work -- will the
machine have been put into the same shape it was before the original
install?

 

[thanatoid]

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
news:eQjkf6FDIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> Sudy Nim wrote:
>| "thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
>| news:Xns99C5D571D745Athanexit@66.250.146.158...
>|> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
>|> news:Onhfn#4CIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

<SNIP>

> Well, I really don't know, but to me it STILL looks
> dangerous to just delete the folder. You might have to go
> after the Registry keys too! Who knows whether an attempt
> to uninstall one of the programs in that folder wouldn't
> crash the computer otherwise!
>
> Also -- even if you delete both the folder & the Registry
> keys -- who knows whether you'd crash, anyhow, when trying
> to uninstall one of the particular programs you've got in
> there (& you've got more than me). And, even if you don't
> crash, who knows whether you'd be able to uninstall it at
> all? Or -- even if the uninstall does work -- will the
> machine have been put into the same shape it was before the
> original install?

Well, unless you use InCtrl or something like it and check
everything manually, that will NEVER be the case. I just tried
several worthless programs I dl'd last night and of the 5 or 6,
only ONE uninstalled itself ENTIRELY. On ALL other cases, at the
*very* least, the manufacturer name branch was left in the
registry. It was usually worse.

We all have to find our own way in this hellish maze of 0's and
1's. Let Sudy worry about his way. I have no further comments.

 

[PCR]

thanatoid wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
| news:eQjkf6FDIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
|
|> Sudy Nim wrote:
|>| "thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
|>| news:Xns99C5D571D745Athanexit@66.250.146.158...
|>|> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
|>|> news:Onhfn#4CIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
|
| <SNIP>
|
|> Well, I really don't know, but to me it STILL looks
|> dangerous to just delete the folder. You might have to go
|> after the Registry keys too! Who knows whether an attempt
|> to uninstall one of the programs in that folder wouldn't
|> crash the computer otherwise!
|>
|> Also -- even if you delete both the folder & the Registry
|> keys -- who knows whether you'd crash, anyhow, when trying
|> to uninstall one of the particular programs you've got in
|> there (& you've got more than me). And, even if you don't
|> crash, who knows whether you'd be able to uninstall it at
|> all? Or -- even if the uninstall does work -- will the
|> machine have been put into the same shape it was before the
|> original install?
|
| Well, unless you use InCtrl or something like it and check
| everything manually, that will NEVER be the case. I just tried
| several worthless programs I dl'd last night and of the 5 or 6,
| only ONE uninstalled itself ENTIRELY. On ALL other cases, at the
| *very* least, the manufacturer name branch was left in the
| registry. It was usually worse.

I believe that. It's best to use InCtrl5 or some such to track an
install. Then, use the program's uninstall routine, if you want to get
rid of it. That routine may not only remove itself-- but it may
reinstall a prior version or otherwise replace something that was
removed. After letting the uninstall routine do what it will-- yes,
indeed -- go ahead and verify it with InCtrl5's report & make manual
adjustments, just as you said.

My main concerns are...

(1) Will deleting the "C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information" folder
have an ill effect on the program's own uninstall doings?

(2) Will deleting the folder, but leaving the Registry keys behind,
cause trouble too?

For stuff already installed -- especially never having run InCtrl5 on
them -- I think it best to let it all be! The first three items in my
folder are...
896358, 908519, & 918547. These are criticals that Windows Update put in
here!

| We all have to find our own way in this hellish maze of 0's and
| 1's. Let Sudy worry about his way. I have no further comments.
|

. I'll stay in the thread-- but I know nothing more!

 

[Sudy Nim]

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:OrSsJRTDIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> thanatoid wrote:
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
> | news:eQjkf6FDIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
> |
> |> Sudy Nim wrote:
> |>| "thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
> |>| news:Xns99C5D571D745Athanexit@66.250.146.158...
> |>|> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
> |>|> news:Onhfn#4CIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
> |
> | <SNIP>
> |
> |> Well, I really don't know, but to me it STILL looks
> |> dangerous to just delete the folder. You might have to go
> |> after the Registry keys too! Who knows whether an attempt
> |> to uninstall one of the programs in that folder wouldn't
> |> crash the computer otherwise!
> |>
> |> Also -- even if you delete both the folder & the Registry
> |> keys -- who knows whether you'd crash, anyhow, when trying
> |> to uninstall one of the particular programs you've got in
> |> there (& you've got more than me). And, even if you don't
> |> crash, who knows whether you'd be able to uninstall it at
> |> all? Or -- even if the uninstall does work -- will the
> |> machine have been put into the same shape it was before the
> |> original install?
> |
> | Well, unless you use InCtrl or something like it and check
> | everything manually, that will NEVER be the case. I just tried
> | several worthless programs I dl'd last night and of the 5 or 6,
> | only ONE uninstalled itself ENTIRELY. On ALL other cases, at the
> | *very* least, the manufacturer name branch was left in the
> | registry. It was usually worse.
>
> I believe that. It's best to use InCtrl5 or some such to track an
> install. Then, use the program's uninstall routine, if you want to get
> rid of it. That routine may not only remove itself-- but it may
> reinstall a prior version or otherwise replace something that was
> removed. After letting the uninstall routine do what it will-- yes,
> indeed -- go ahead and verify it with InCtrl5's report & make manual
> adjustments, just as you said.

I have used InCtrl in the past but removed it for some forgotten reason.

> My main concerns are...
>
> (1) Will deleting the "C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information" folder
> have an ill effect on the program's own uninstall doings?

A good point, glad you mentioned it.

> (2) Will deleting the folder, but leaving the Registry keys behind,
> cause trouble too?

This is a reasonable supposition and it got me re-thinking.

> For stuff already installed -- especially never having run InCtrl5 on
> them -- I think it best to let it all be! The first three items in my
> folder are...
> 896358, 908519, & 918547. These are criticals that Windows Update put in
> here!

I have those first three and you convinced me to leave this folder as is.
Thank you for sharing your expertise and for stopping me from making
a problem for myself.

Sudy Nim

> | We all have to find our own way in this hellish maze of 0's and
> | 1's. Let Sudy worry about his way. I have no further comments.
> |
>
> . I'll stay in the thread-- but I know nothing more!
>
>

 

[PCR]

Sudy Nim wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:OrSsJRTDIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> thanatoid wrote:
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
|> | news:eQjkf6FDIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
|> |
|> |> Sudy Nim wrote:
|> |>| "thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
|> |>| news:Xns99C5D571D745Athanexit@66.250.146.158...
|> |>|> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
|> |>|> news:Onhfn#4CIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
|> |
|> | <SNIP>
|> |
|> |> Well, I really don't know, but to me it STILL looks
|> |> dangerous to just delete the folder. You might have to go
|> |> after the Registry keys too! Who knows whether an attempt
|> |> to uninstall one of the programs in that folder wouldn't
|> |> crash the computer otherwise!
|> |>
|> |> Also -- even if you delete both the folder & the Registry
|> |> keys -- who knows whether you'd crash, anyhow, when trying
|> |> to uninstall one of the particular programs you've got in
|> |> there (& you've got more than me). And, even if you don't
|> |> crash, who knows whether you'd be able to uninstall it at
|> |> all? Or -- even if the uninstall does work -- will the
|> |> machine have been put into the same shape it was before the
|> |> original install?
|> |
|> | Well, unless you use InCtrl or something like it and check
|> | everything manually, that will NEVER be the case. I just tried
|> | several worthless programs I dl'd last night and of the 5 or 6,
|> | only ONE uninstalled itself ENTIRELY. On ALL other cases, at the
|> | *very* least, the manufacturer name branch was left in the
|> | registry. It was usually worse.
|>
|> I believe that. It's best to use InCtrl5 or some such to track an
|> install. Then, use the program's uninstall routine, if you want to
|> get rid of it. That routine may not only remove itself-- but it may
|> reinstall a prior version or otherwise replace something that was
|> removed. After letting the uninstall routine do what it will-- yes,
|> indeed -- go ahead and verify it with InCtrl5's report & make manual
|> adjustments, just as you said.
|
| I have used InCtrl in the past but removed it for some forgotten
| reason.

Well, could be you noticed its reports are sometimes so huge it could
take 3 years to manually undo an install. (Chauvin uses something that's
quicker-- Total Uninstall, I think.) HOWEVER, I do like InCtrl5 for the
information it provides on what has been changed in the Registry or in
files. It can be used, for instance, to detect what files are updated by
a new set of virus definitions. Then-- just those files can manually be
copied occasionally to my full system backup. That was more important to
do when I ran McAfee, (instead of avast!). Also, it can be used to
detect what some Windows setting might change in a Registry key.

|> My main concerns are...
|>
|> (1) Will deleting the "C:\Program Files\Uninstall Information" folder
|> have an ill effect on the program's own uninstall doings?
|
| A good point, glad you mentioned it.

Yea. Also, it could be Windows Update needs these folders to exist to
work. It may use the information in these folders, even when we haven't
initiated an uninstall ourself. ???.

|> (2) Will deleting the folder, but leaving the Registry keys behind,
|> cause trouble too?
|
| This is a reasonable supposition and it got me re-thinking.

Uhuh. What would happen, if ever the Registry lines that reference those
deleted folders wanted to execute?

|> For stuff already installed -- especially never having run InCtrl5 on
|> them -- I think it best to let it all be! The first three items in my
|> folder are...
|> 896358, 908519, & 918547. These are criticals that Windows Update
|> put in here!
|
| I have those first three and you convinced me to leave this folder as
| is. Thank you for sharing your expertise and for stopping me from
| making
| a problem for myself.

You are welcome. I'm sure, after a great deal of research, it may be
possible to risk deleting some of it & their Registry keys. But you
might never be able to go to Windows Update again. Also, the folder may
be used for other system purposes as well apart from Windows Update,
although everything in mine seems like it might relate to just that.

| Sudy Nim
|
|> | We all have to find our own way in this hellish maze of 0's and
|> | 1's. Let Sudy worry about his way. I have no further comments.
|> |
|>
|> . I'll stay in the thread-- but I know nothing more!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net