Re: Things about Vista Microsoft, MVPs and Fanboys don't want you to know

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Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]

But you can read the license agreement after installing Windows Vista and if
you don't agree with, you don't have to activate it and just return it to
the place of purchase.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> Can you handle the truth? If so, keep reading. Fanboys, MVPs, stop
> reading now, I wouldn't want you to have a stroke or heart attack or
> cause your blood pressure to shoot up.
>
> Unlike earlier versions of Windows that brought MORE features and made
> it easier to use your computer, Vista took a giant leap backwards.
>
> DMA or "Digital Rights Management" has been beefed up. Those in the
> know call DMA Digital Restrictions Management, because instead of
> Microsoft flexing it's considerable muscle and telling big media
> giants to take a hike, instead Microsoft executives bent over and
> grabbed their ankles and said do what you want. Just use a rubber.
>
> So if you read the license agreement or not you have in effect by
> installing Vista given media companies without your knowledge,
> blessing or any legal recourse the right to decide on their own if
> they choose to prevent you from you using YOUR computer if it might
> conflict with what some media company thinks is in THEIR best
> interests. Microsoft seems to have said, hey cool, fine with us. Wink.
> Wink.
>
> A technology security expert named Bruce Schneier explained:
>
> Windows Vista includes an array of "features" that you don't want.
> These features will make your computer less reliable and less secure.
> They'll make your computer less stable and run slower. They will cause
> technical support problems. They may even require you to upgrade some
> of your peripheral hardware and existing software. And these features
> won't do anything useful. In fact, they're working against you.
> They're digital rights management (DRM) features built into Vista at
> the behest of the entertainment industry-And you don't get to refuse
> them.
>
> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/drm_in_windows_1.html
>
> Hold on... Lets get another view.
>
> Steve Jobs, top banana over at Apple publicly came out against DRM for
> music. It's a reasonable business position, now that Apple controls
> the online music distribution market. But Jobs never mentioned movies,
> and he is the largest single shareholder in Disney. Talk is cheap. The
> real question is would he actually allow iTunes Music Store purchases
> to play on Microsoft or Sony players, or is this just a clever way of
> deflecting blame to the -- already hated -- music labels?
>
> Sure, sure, I can hear the fanboy crowd saying oh there goes Adam,
> he's crazy. Crazy like a fox. I can back up what I say.
>
> Did you know media companies can decide which programs you can and
> can't use on your computer?
>
> How about they, not you get to decide which features of your computer
> or software you can use at any given moment.
>
> Did you know buried in the Vista license agreement which you clicked
> on to install Vista you agreed they can force you to install new
> programs even when you don't want to and if they want they can
> restrict your access to certain programs and even to your own data
> files?
>
> Read all about it here:
>
> http://badvista.fsf.org/what-s-wrong-with-microsoft-windows-vista
>
> Getting mad? Maybe you should take a closer look at the fine print.
> Microsoft knows nobody really reads every word in the license
> agreement especially when you can't wait to install a new version of
> Windows, but they do put it online, not publicized, but you can find
> it here: http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx
>
> In my case 11 pages of fine print for the Vista business version.
>
> The point is Vista isn't all peaches and cream like fanboys want you
> to believe. In many ways Microsoft done things on the sneak. Like
> spying on your because they don't trust you. Even if you have a paid
> for, registered, and activated copy of Vista the bloated code all on
> it's own, behind your back, over and over is snooping on your system
> and phoning home to report back to Redmond that you're still using a
> legit copy and if you're not, even if you are, and they suspect it
> Vista can cripple itself. In fact this has ALREADY happened to people
> a month or so back.
>
> One last thing. Microsoft after considerable prodding ADMITTED that
> they had a "secret" partner in developing Vista. Guess who? Non other
> than the federal government of the United States. Which Agency? Are
> you sitting down? The NSA. The very same agency that was forced to
> admit they spy on Americans without court supervision or warrant. Nice
> to know. Now you do. Can anyone say backdoor?
>
> Still wondering why fanboys try so hard to try to discredit me?
>
 
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Adam Albright

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:27:02 -0500, "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]"
<andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:

>But you can read the license agreement after installing Windows Vista and if
>you don't agree with, you don't have to activate it and just return it to
>the place of purchase.


I know MVPs earn browny points based on the number of cut and paste
replies they make so that explains why you post as much as you do. I
was wondering, you get extra credit for trying to defend Microsoft's
questionable business practices?
 
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Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]

I didn't say anything negative to you, so I don't see the point of wanting
to start an attack. But since thats the direction you are heading in, I will
just start ignoring your post. All I am saying is, its a free market and the
consumer has the choice, if they don't like the content protections in the
product, they are free to return it and choose something else. I won't
respond to yours and you won't have to respond to mine.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:27:02 -0500, "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]"
> <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>But you can read the license agreement after installing Windows Vista and
>>if
>>you don't agree with, you don't have to activate it and just return it to
>>the place of purchase.

>
> I know MVPs earn browny points based on the number of cut and paste
> replies they make so that explains why you post as much as you do. I
> was wondering, you get extra credit for trying to defend Microsoft's
> questionable business practices?
>
 
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forty-nine

The patient Albright doesn't believe in open discussion.
Unless you agree with him that Vista is the harbinger of Apocalypse, he will
simply bash your intelligence.
He's funny...funny and sad...but you can't ask for a better toy.
Now...where's he's gone?
Albright !
Get back here !

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eWHZ32CFIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I didn't say anything negative to you, so I don't see the point of wanting
>to start an attack. But since thats the direction you are heading in, I
>will just start ignoring your post. All I am saying is, its a free market
>and the consumer has the choice, if they don't like the content protections
>in the product, they are free to return it and choose something else. I
>won't respond to yours and you won't have to respond to mine.
> --
> Andre
> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:m9inh35blsrh73i61l0pjjk67v46c591gr@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:27:02 -0500, "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]"
>> <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>But you can read the license agreement after installing Windows Vista and
>>>if
>>>you don't agree with, you don't have to activate it and just return it to
>>>the place of purchase.

>>
>> I know MVPs earn browny points based on the number of cut and paste
>> replies they make so that explains why you post as much as you do. I
>> was wondering, you get extra credit for trying to defend Microsoft's
>> questionable business practices?
>>

>
>
 
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Adam Albright

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:59:48 -0500, "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]"
<andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I didn't say anything negative to you, so I don't see the point of wanting
>to start an attack.


Setting the record straight isn't attacking. Are you denying that MVPs
need to perform in order to keep their MVP status? Posting a bunch of
cut and paste answers to SIMPLE questions nearly anybody here can
answer why ignoring the harder questions isn't my idea of "helping".
It is however a typical MVP ploy.

>But since thats the direction you are heading in, I will
>just start ignoring your post.


Self-serving comment. I'll ignore.

>All I am saying is, its a free market and the
>consumer has the choice, if they don't like the content protections in the
>product, they are free to return it and choose something else. I won't
>respond to yours and you won't have to respond to mine.


What's getting protected? Surely not the customer. Why do you think
Microsoft is so secretive? If they're in bed with the NSA and the
music industry and are spying behind your back constantly checking if
you have a legit copy AFTER you already registered and activated they
should SAY SO up front.

As both a customer AND a stockholder I have a right to question
Microsoft decisions that impact me. If you don't like it, that's your
problem. You see I have a hard time accepting what corporations say
when they get caught lying over and over.

Microsoft first said they don't apply updates unless you click saying
do it. Oops, I guess they do. They also said they don't spy on
customers, oops, they later admitted they do and cut back the
frequency. Awhile back they said oh no we would never mark legit
copies of Vista as bogus, oops they did. You see a pattern?

I don't know about anybody else but when the CEO of Microsoft dances
around on stage screaming at the top of his lungs like some crazy
person, sticks out his tongue and makes crazy faces in public I start
to question who the hell is running the company now that Billy G is
moving on?
 
F

Frank

Re: Things about Vista Microsoft, MVPs and Fanboys don't want youto know

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:59:48 -0500, "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]"
> <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I didn't say anything negative to you, so I don't see the point of wanting
>>to start an attack.

>
>
> Setting the record straight isn't attacking. Are you denying that MVPs
> need to perform in order to keep their MVP status? Posting a bunch of
> cut and paste answers to SIMPLE questions nearly anybody here can
> answer why ignoring the harder questions isn't my idea of "helping".
> It is however a typical MVP ploy.
>
>
>>But since thats the direction you are heading in, I will
>>just start ignoring your post.

>
>
> Self-serving comment. I'll ignore.
>
>
>>All I am saying is, its a free market and the
>>consumer has the choice, if they don't like the content protections in the
>>product, they are free to return it and choose something else. I won't
>>respond to yours and you won't have to respond to mine.

>
>
> What's getting protected? Surely not the customer. Why do you think
> Microsoft is so secretive? If they're in bed with the NSA and the
> music industry and are spying behind your back constantly checking if
> you have a legit copy AFTER you already registered and activated they
> should SAY SO up front.
>
> As both a customer AND a stockholder I have a right to question
> Microsoft decisions that impact me. If you don't like it, that's your
> problem. You see I have a hard time accepting what corporations say
> when they get caught lying over and over.
>
> Microsoft first said they don't apply updates unless you click saying
> do it. Oops, I guess they do. They also said they don't spy on
> customers, oops, they later admitted they do and cut back the
> frequency. Awhile back they said oh no we would never mark legit
> copies of Vista as bogus, oops they did. You see a pattern?
>
> I don't know about anybody else but when the CEO of Microsoft dances
> around on stage screaming at the top of his lungs like some crazy
> person, sticks out his tongue and makes crazy faces in public I start
> to question who the hell is running the company now that Billy G is
> moving on?
>


oh, now I get! You were turned down for MVP status we're you. That's why
you so openly hate them.
You're just a weak little piss ante of an as*hole aren't you.
Pitiful...you're so pathetic and pitiful.
Frank
 
P

-Phil Clemence

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23MAcjkCFIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> But you can read the license agreement after installing Windows Vista and
> if you don't agree with, you don't have to activate it and just return it
> to the place of purchase.
> --
> Andre
> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:2ednh3pgil6dr03fjtfpq1lgeavvgb4ll0@4ax.com...


What you say about returning it is true, and it is a very principled
position. The problem is that the principle of letting the free market
decide, or act as an agent to prevent abuses that are enabled by a free
market just doesn't work, and it gets worse as the market gets more
sophisticated (in certain ways - in others it gets simpler, etc). In the
case of MS and OS releases, it can work , but it would take time, much
damage would be done (for everyone involved) if enough people returned
Vista. If it had enough effect to discourage privacy abuses and whatever
other conspiracies lie in Minesweeper, etc .. it would be far in the future
relative to what matters (if it really does).
I am no Chicken Little, but I am also sick of people using that argument to
ignore unethical cooperate behavior.
I have agreed to many things latey that I worry about, mostly privacy
agreements that reserve the right for ISPs to disclose every bit of personal
information they have access to , and to anyone they chose (can sell it to).
Don't worry about conspiracies. You can always hang the leaders. We should
worry when SYSTEMS are alowed to become corrupted to the point that there
are no leaders to hang. That is the problem in politics (always has been),
business, religious institutions, newsgroups, families - need I go on?
Let's see how open-minded and reasonable you are. Take back what you said if
you realize how dangerous that attitude is...
As for the Chicken Littles here -- something IS falling , but they have no
idea what it is.
-Phil Clemence

>> Can you handle the truth? If so, keep reading. Fanboys, MVPs, stop
>> reading now, I wouldn't want you to have a stroke or heart attack or
>> cause your blood pressure to shoot up.
>>
>> Unlike earlier versions of Windows that brought MORE features and made
>> it easier to use your computer, Vista took a giant leap backwards.
>>
>> DMA or "Digital Rights Management" has been beefed up. Those in the
>> know call DMA Digital Restrictions Management, because instead of
>> Microsoft flexing it's considerable muscle and telling big media
>> giants to take a hike, instead Microsoft executives bent over and
>> grabbed their ankles and said do what you want. Just use a rubber.
>>
>> So if you read the license agreement or not you have in effect by
>> installing Vista given media companies without your knowledge,
>> blessing or any legal recourse the right to decide on their own if
>> they choose to prevent you from you using YOUR computer if it might
>> conflict with what some media company thinks is in THEIR best
>> interests. Microsoft seems to have said, hey cool, fine with us. Wink.
>> Wink.
>>
>> A technology security expert named Bruce Schneier explained:
>>
>> Windows Vista includes an array of "features" that you don't want.
>> These features will make your computer less reliable and less secure.
>> They'll make your computer less stable and run slower. They will cause
>> technical support problems. They may even require you to upgrade some
>> of your peripheral hardware and existing software. And these features
>> won't do anything useful. In fact, they're working against you.
>> They're digital rights management (DRM) features built into Vista at
>> the behest of the entertainment industry-And you don't get to refuse
>> them.
>>
>> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/drm_in_windows_1.html
>>
>> Hold on... Lets get another view.
>>
>> Steve Jobs, top banana over at Apple publicly came out against DRM for
>> music. It's a reasonable business position, now that Apple controls
>> the online music distribution market. But Jobs never mentioned movies,
>> and he is the largest single shareholder in Disney. Talk is cheap. The
>> real question is would he actually allow iTunes Music Store purchases
>> to play on Microsoft or Sony players, or is this just a clever way of
>> deflecting blame to the -- already hated -- music labels?
>>
>> Sure, sure, I can hear the fanboy crowd saying oh there goes Adam,
>> he's crazy. Crazy like a fox. I can back up what I say.
>>
>> Did you know media companies can decide which programs you can and
>> can't use on your computer?
>>
>> How about they, not you get to decide which features of your computer
>> or software you can use at any given moment.
>>
>> Did you know buried in the Vista license agreement which you clicked
>> on to install Vista you agreed they can force you to install new
>> programs even when you don't want to and if they want they can
>> restrict your access to certain programs and even to your own data
>> files?
>>
>> Read all about it here:
>>
>> http://badvista.fsf.org/what-s-wrong-with-microsoft-windows-vista
>>
>> Getting mad? Maybe you should take a closer look at the fine print.
>> Microsoft knows nobody really reads every word in the license
>> agreement especially when you can't wait to install a new version of
>> Windows, but they do put it online, not publicized, but you can find
>> it here: http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx
>>
>> In my case 11 pages of fine print for the Vista business version.
>>
>> The point is Vista isn't all peaches and cream like fanboys want you
>> to believe. In many ways Microsoft done things on the sneak. Like
>> spying on your because they don't trust you. Even if you have a paid
>> for, registered, and activated copy of Vista the bloated code all on
>> it's own, behind your back, over and over is snooping on your system
>> and phoning home to report back to Redmond that you're still using a
>> legit copy and if you're not, even if you are, and they suspect it
>> Vista can cripple itself. In fact this has ALREADY happened to people
>> a month or so back.
>>
>> One last thing. Microsoft after considerable prodding ADMITTED that
>> they had a "secret" partner in developing Vista. Guess who? Non other
>> than the federal government of the United States. Which Agency? Are
>> you sitting down? The NSA. The very same agency that was forced to
>> admit they spy on Americans without court supervision or warrant. Nice
>> to know. Now you do. Can anyone say backdoor?
>>
>> Still wondering why fanboys try so hard to try to discredit me?
>>

>
>
 
K

Kevin Weaver

"-Phil Clemence" <me@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23jsar3FFIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23MAcjkCFIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> But you can read the license agreement after installing Windows Vista and
>> if you don't agree with, you don't have to activate it and just return it
>> to the place of purchase.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry
>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>> news:2ednh3pgil6dr03fjtfpq1lgeavvgb4ll0@4ax.com...

>
> What you say about returning it is true, and it is a very principled
> position. The problem is that the principle of letting the free market
> decide, or act as an agent to prevent abuses that are enabled by a free
> market just doesn't work, and it gets worse as the market gets more
> sophisticated (in certain ways - in others it gets simpler, etc). In the
> case of MS and OS releases, it can work , but it would take time, much
> damage would be done (for everyone involved) if enough people returned
> Vista. If it had enough effect to discourage privacy abuses and whatever
> other conspiracies lie in Minesweeper, etc .. it would be far in the
> future relative to what matters (if it really does).
> I am no Chicken Little, but I am also sick of people using that argument
> to ignore unethical cooperate behavior.
> I have agreed to many things latey that I worry about, mostly privacy
> agreements that reserve the right for ISPs to disclose every bit of
> personal information they have access to , and to anyone they chose (can
> sell it to).
> Don't worry about conspiracies. You can always hang the leaders. We should
> worry when SYSTEMS are alowed to become corrupted to the point that there
> are no leaders to hang. That is the problem in politics (always has been),
> business, religious institutions, newsgroups, families - need I go on?
> Let's see how open-minded and reasonable you are. Take back what you said
> if you realize how dangerous that attitude is...
> As for the Chicken Littles here -- something IS falling , but they have no
> idea what it is.
> -Phil Clemence
>
>>> Can you handle the truth? If so, keep reading. Fanboys, MVPs, stop
>>> reading now, I wouldn't want you to have a stroke or heart attack or
>>> cause your blood pressure to shoot up.
>>>
>>> Unlike earlier versions of Windows that brought MORE features and made
>>> it easier to use your computer, Vista took a giant leap backwards.
>>>
>>> DMA or "Digital Rights Management" has been beefed up. Those in the
>>> know call DMA Digital Restrictions Management, because instead of
>>> Microsoft flexing it's considerable muscle and telling big media
>>> giants to take a hike, instead Microsoft executives bent over and
>>> grabbed their ankles and said do what you want. Just use a rubber.
>>>
>>> So if you read the license agreement or not you have in effect by
>>> installing Vista given media companies without your knowledge,
>>> blessing or any legal recourse the right to decide on their own if
>>> they choose to prevent you from you using YOUR computer if it might
>>> conflict with what some media company thinks is in THEIR best
>>> interests. Microsoft seems to have said, hey cool, fine with us. Wink.
>>> Wink.
>>>
>>> A technology security expert named Bruce Schneier explained:
>>>
>>> Windows Vista includes an array of "features" that you don't want.
>>> These features will make your computer less reliable and less secure.
>>> They'll make your computer less stable and run slower. They will cause
>>> technical support problems. They may even require you to upgrade some
>>> of your peripheral hardware and existing software. And these features
>>> won't do anything useful. In fact, they're working against you.
>>> They're digital rights management (DRM) features built into Vista at
>>> the behest of the entertainment industry-And you don't get to refuse
>>> them.
>>>
>>> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/drm_in_windows_1.html
>>>
>>> Hold on... Lets get another view.
>>>
>>> Steve Jobs, top banana over at Apple publicly came out against DRM for
>>> music. It's a reasonable business position, now that Apple controls
>>> the online music distribution market. But Jobs never mentioned movies,
>>> and he is the largest single shareholder in Disney. Talk is cheap. The
>>> real question is would he actually allow iTunes Music Store purchases
>>> to play on Microsoft or Sony players, or is this just a clever way of
>>> deflecting blame to the -- already hated -- music labels?
>>>
>>> Sure, sure, I can hear the fanboy crowd saying oh there goes Adam,
>>> he's crazy. Crazy like a fox. I can back up what I say.
>>>
>>> Did you know media companies can decide which programs you can and
>>> can't use on your computer?
>>>
>>> How about they, not you get to decide which features of your computer
>>> or software you can use at any given moment.
>>>
>>> Did you know buried in the Vista license agreement which you clicked
>>> on to install Vista you agreed they can force you to install new
>>> programs even when you don't want to and if they want they can
>>> restrict your access to certain programs and even to your own data
>>> files?
>>>
>>> Read all about it here:
>>>
>>> http://badvista.fsf.org/what-s-wrong-with-microsoft-windows-vista
>>>
>>> Getting mad? Maybe you should take a closer look at the fine print.
>>> Microsoft knows nobody really reads every word in the license
>>> agreement especially when you can't wait to install a new version of
>>> Windows, but they do put it online, not publicized, but you can find
>>> it here: http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx
>>>
>>> In my case 11 pages of fine print for the Vista business version.
>>>
>>> The point is Vista isn't all peaches and cream like fanboys want you
>>> to believe. In many ways Microsoft done things on the sneak. Like
>>> spying on your because they don't trust you. Even if you have a paid
>>> for, registered, and activated copy of Vista the bloated code all on
>>> it's own, behind your back, over and over is snooping on your system
>>> and phoning home to report back to Redmond that you're still using a
>>> legit copy and if you're not, even if you are, and they suspect it
>>> Vista can cripple itself. In fact this has ALREADY happened to people
>>> a month or so back.
>>>
>>> One last thing. Microsoft after considerable prodding ADMITTED that
>>> they had a "secret" partner in developing Vista. Guess who? Non other
>>> than the federal government of the United States. Which Agency? Are
>>> you sitting down? The NSA. The very same agency that was forced to
>>> admit they spy on Americans without court supervision or warrant. Nice
>>> to know. Now you do. Can anyone say backdoor?
>>>
>>> Still wondering why fanboys try so hard to try to discredit me?
>>>

>>
>>

>


And I hear Area 51 needs security guards.

NSA.. HAHAHAHA
 
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