Permissions

Jerry · Jul 14, 2007

This has probably been asked before but is new to me. I went to copy a file
from one folder and paste it in another folder. I have a 1000 times with
never a problem LOL.

For this one, I get a popup saying "You need permission to perform this
action", Try again or Cancel. How do I get permission to copy and paste
this file?

Thank you for any help

brink · Jul 14, 2007

Jerry382462 Wrote:
> This has probably been asked before but is new to me. I went to copy a
> file
> from one folder and paste it in another folder. I have a 1000 times
> with
> never a problem LOL.
>
> For this one, I get a popup saying "You need permission to perform this
> action", Try again or Cancel. How do I get permission to copy and paste
> this file?
>
> Thank you for any help

Hi Jerry,

You need to take ownership of the folder you want to save into. If
this is a system folder, then you would be better off saving it
somewhere else. Go to the link below for how to take ownership.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/67717-take-ownership-file.html?ltr=T

Hope this helps,
Shawn

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BillD · Jul 15, 2007

"Jerry" wrote:

> For this one, I get a popup saying "You need permission to perform this
> action", Try again or Cancel. How do I get permission to copy and paste
> this file?

Enable the UAC.

BillD · Jul 15, 2007

"brink" wrote:

> You need to take ownership of the folder you want to save into.

NO, it's not necessary!
With UAC enabled, the permissions are handled automatically.

Jerry · Jul 15, 2007

Thanks for the quick reply. That url tells how to take ownership of a file,
but NOT the folder I need to copy into, if that is what really needs to be
done.
Yes the file is being copied into a systems folder. Perhaps a short
explanation of how I have setup my programs would be helpful. I have 2
physical hard drives and each has 3 partitions. On the Master, C drive
contains only the OS, D drive is where I install all of my Programs and E
drive is for data only. Before each program is installed on D drive, I make
a root folder for that program, then install into that root folder.
Everything on the slave drive is strictly data, including the file I want to
copy and paste.
What I am trying to do is copy a .dll file into the root folder for a
program to expand it's functionality. If I read the instructions on the
url, I need to take ownership of the .dll before I can copy and paste it.
Is this correct?

LOL security is a wonderful thing, but this seems like the dog chasing it's
tail. I will give it a try and see what happens. I sure hope this does NOT
happen often.

"brink" <brink.2tquu9@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
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>
> Jerry382462 Wrote:
>> This has probably been asked before but is new to me. I went to copy a
>> file
>> from one folder and paste it in another folder. I have a 1000 times
>> with
>> never a problem LOL.
>>
>> For this one, I get a popup saying "You need permission to perform this
>> action", Try again or Cancel. How do I get permission to copy and paste
>> this file?
>>
>> Thank you for any help
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> You need to take ownership of the folder you want to save into. If
> this is a system folder, then you would be better off saving it
> somewhere else. Go to the link below for how to take ownership.
>
> http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/67717-take-ownership-file.html?ltr=T
>
> Hope this helps,
> Shawn
>
>
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> brink
>
> *There are no dumb questions, just the people that do not ask them.*
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brink · Jul 15, 2007

BillD382737 Wrote:
> "brink" wrote:
>
>
> > You need to take ownership of the folder you want to save into.
>
> NO, it's not necessary!
> With UAC enabled, the permissions are handled automatically.

Hi BillD,

Yes indeed if Jerry does have UAC off.

Shawn

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Rick Rogers · Jul 15, 2007

Hi Jerry,

It means that the file you are trying to move likely has a system attribute
assigned. It is generally unwise to move these files as there may be a
program dependency involved.

If you know there is not, then simply alter permissions on the folder
housing the file, or do the MOVE/COPY from an elevated command prompt.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

"Jerry" <jhuffman@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:e2tJFioxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> This has probably been asked before but is new to me. I went to copy a
> file from one folder and paste it in another folder. I have a 1000 times
> with never a problem LOL.
>
> For this one, I get a popup saying "You need permission to perform this
> action", Try again or Cancel. How do I get permission to copy and paste
> this file?
>
> Thank you for any help
>

Jerry · Jul 15, 2007

UAC is enabled, it has never been disabled, so permissions are NOT
automatic.
Also the Move/Copy, I don't know how to use from the command prompt, but
will check help for that.

"You need to take ownership of the folder you want to save into". I never
did see how to take ownership of a folder. The only thing I saw as taking
ownership of a file.

Will keep trying I suppose. I really want this program function fully.

"Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:OLHhICtxHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hi Jerry,
>
> It means that the file you are trying to move likely has a system
> attribute assigned. It is generally unwise to move these files as there
> may be a program dependency involved.
>
> If you know there is not, then simply alter permissions on the folder
> housing the file, or do the MOVE/COPY from an elevated command prompt.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>
> "Jerry" <jhuffman@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:e2tJFioxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> This has probably been asked before but is new to me. I went to copy a
>> file from one folder and paste it in another folder. I have a 1000 times
>> with never a problem LOL.
>>
>> For this one, I get a popup saying "You need permission to perform this
>> action", Try again or Cancel. How do I get permission to copy and paste
>> this file?
>>
>> Thank you for any help
>>
>

brink · Jul 15, 2007

Jerry383354 Wrote:
> UAC is enabled, it has never been disabled, so permissions are NOT
> automatic.
> Also the Move/Copy, I don't know how to use from the command prompt,
> but
> will check help for that.
>
> "You need to take ownership of the folder you want to save into". I
> never
> did see how to take ownership of a folder. The only thing I saw as
> taking
> ownership of a file.
>
> Will keep trying I suppose. I really want this program function fully.
>
>

Jerry,

It is the same process. Just right click on the system folder and
follow the same directions. The file was just an example on the post to
guide you along. I updated the post to help clarify it. Use the second
method.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/67717-take-ownership-file.html?ltr=T

Let me know how it goes for you.

Shawn

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Adam Albright · Jul 15, 2007

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:34:44 -0400, "Jerry" <jhuffman@triad.rr.com>
wrote:

>UAC is enabled, it has never been disabled, so permissions are NOT
>automatic.
>Also the Move/Copy, I don't know how to use from the command prompt, but
>will check help for that.
>
>"You need to take ownership of the folder you want to save into". I never
>did see how to take ownership of a folder. The only thing I saw as taking
>ownership of a file.

While it is somewhat broken and doesn't always work as expected, files
can inherit permissions from the folder they are in. The idea being
you avoid having to change permissions one file at a time. In a
similar vain folders can inherit permissions from the drive their on.

So in theory at least if you take ownership of a hard drive then
folders on that drive and files in the folder should (lots of luck)
inherit whatever permissions the drive has been given. You can change
permissions for drives or folders the same way to do for files. Just
right click, properties, security tab on a drive or folder.

Rick Rogers · Jul 15, 2007

Hi Jerry,

Don't confuse UAC with permissions. UAC prevents executables/installers from
altering or adding to system files, it has naught to do with permissions.
Permissions define a level of access each particular account type has to
existing data files. If you go to Help and Support and search on 'take
ownership', you will find extensive information on how to do this.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

"Jerry" <jhuffman@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Op6Rb%23xxHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> UAC is enabled, it has never been disabled, so permissions are NOT
> automatic.
> Also the Move/Copy, I don't know how to use from the command prompt, but
> will check help for that.
>
> "You need to take ownership of the folder you want to save into". I never
> did see how to take ownership of a folder. The only thing I saw as
> taking ownership of a file.
>
> Will keep trying I suppose. I really want this program function fully.
>
> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:OLHhICtxHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Jerry,
>>
>> It means that the file you are trying to move likely has a system
>> attribute assigned. It is generally unwise to move these files as there
>> may be a program dependency involved.
>>
>> If you know there is not, then simply alter permissions on the folder
>> housing the file, or do the MOVE/COPY from an elevated command prompt.
>>
>> --
>> Best of Luck,
>>
>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>
>> "Jerry" <jhuffman@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:e2tJFioxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> This has probably been asked before but is new to me. I went to copy a
>>> file from one folder and paste it in another folder. I have a 1000
>>> times with never a problem LOL.
>>>
>>> For this one, I get a popup saying "You need permission to perform this
>>> action", Try again or Cancel. How do I get permission to copy and paste
>>> this file?
>>>
>>> Thank you for any help
>>>
>>
>
>

Jerry · Jul 16, 2007

I think I have found exactly what I need at:
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...ership-to-explorer-right-click-menu-in-vista/

That just one of many great pieces of information I found at that webpage
<assuming it is still valid>:
http://www.howtogeek.com/tag/windows-vista/

It is definitely worth taking a look.

"Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23USUxS0xHHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hi Jerry,
>
> Don't confuse UAC with permissions. UAC prevents executables/installers
> from altering or adding to system files, it has naught to do with
> permissions. Permissions define a level of access each particular account
> type has to existing data files. If you go to Help and Support and search
> on 'take ownership', you will find extensive information on how to do
> this.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>
> "Jerry" <jhuffman@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:Op6Rb%23xxHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> UAC is enabled, it has never been disabled, so permissions are NOT
>> automatic.
>> Also the Move/Copy, I don't know how to use from the command prompt, but
>> will check help for that.
>>
>> "You need to take ownership of the folder you want to save into". I
>> never did see how to take ownership of a folder. The only thing I saw
>> as taking ownership of a file.
>>
>> Will keep trying I suppose. I really want this program function fully.
>>
>> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:OLHhICtxHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>
>>> It means that the file you are trying to move likely has a system
>>> attribute assigned. It is generally unwise to move these files as there
>>> may be a program dependency involved.
>>>
>>> If you know there is not, then simply alter permissions on the folder
>>> housing the file, or do the MOVE/COPY from an elevated command prompt.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best of Luck,
>>>
>>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> "Jerry" <jhuffman@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e2tJFioxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> This has probably been asked before but is new to me. I went to copy a
>>>> file from one folder and paste it in another folder. I have a 1000
>>>> times with never a problem LOL.
>>>>
>>>> For this one, I get a popup saying "You need permission to perform this
>>>> action", Try again or Cancel. How do I get permission to copy and
>>>> paste this file?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for any help
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

brink · Jul 16, 2007

Jerry384002 Wrote:
> I think I have found exactly what I need at:
> 'Add \"Take Ownership\" to Explorer Right-Click Menu in Vista :: the
> How-To Geek'
> (http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...ership-to-explorer-right-click-menu-in-vista/)
>
> That just one of many great pieces of information I found at that
> webpage
> <assuming it is still valid>:
> 'Windows Vista :: the How-To Geek'
> (http://www.howtogeek.com/tag/windows-vista/)
>
> It is definitely worth taking a look.
>
>

Hi Jerry,

It is a nice shortcut for what I had at my link for taking ownership,
but do note that it replaces the "Run as administrator" option in the
context menu with the "Take Ownership" one. It is your choice. I would
choose whichever one you would use more often.

Shawn

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Jerry · Jul 16, 2007

Good point brink, I see what you mean. It does replace Run as administrator
in some places which is very odd.
"brink" <brink.2ttqb9@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:brink.2ttqb9@no-mx.forums.net...
>
> Jerry384002 Wrote:
>> I think I have found exactly what I need at:
>> 'Add \"Take Ownership\" to Explorer Right-Click Menu in Vista :: the
>> How-To Geek'
>> (http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...ership-to-explorer-right-click-menu-in-vista/)
>>
>> That just one of many great pieces of information I found at that
>> webpage
>> <assuming it is still valid>:
>> 'Windows Vista :: the How-To Geek'
>> (http://www.howtogeek.com/tag/windows-vista/)
>>
>> It is definitely worth taking a look.
>>
>>
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> It is a nice shortcut for what I had at my link for taking ownership,
> but do note that it replaces the "Run as administrator" option in the
> context menu with the "Take Ownership" one. It is your choice. I would
> choose whichever one you would use more often.
>
> Shawn
>
>
> --
> brink
>
> *There are no dumb questions, just the people that do not ask them.*
> '_www.Vistax64.com_' (http://www.vistax64.com)
> *Please post feedback to help others.*

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