Advice, Vista retail or OEM?

[Ed Forsythe]

I'm running an XP Pro box and I'd like to try Vista without jeopardizing my
XP stuff. I plan on dual booting Vista Ultimate with XP. I can't decide
between
Vista Ultimate Upgrade - $239
Vista Ultimate full version OEM - $190 (I'll buy an after market Vista
book).

IMHO, Vista Ultimate full retail - $339 is unnecessary?

I plan to build a new machine before Christmas. New MB, RAM. CPU, and
Graphics card. At that time I'll delete the XP partition and go Vista with
no crutches <VBG>.

Any holes in my plan?

 

[DP]

Legally, you can't install OEM on one machine and then move that same OEM
license to another machine (even if you take the OS off the original
machine).
Now, there probably will be posters who will tell you how to get around
that, or that MS will be more tolerant than their official OEM policy says
they should be.
Still, at $190 a pop, you could get TWO oem versions of vista almost for the
price of one upgrade.





"Ed Forsythe" <EdForsythe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23I8exW0xHHA.312@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> I'm running an XP Pro box and I'd like to try Vista without jeopardizing
> my XP stuff. I plan on dual booting Vista Ultimate with XP. I can't
> decide between
> Vista Ultimate Upgrade - $239
> Vista Ultimate full version OEM - $190 (I'll buy an after market Vista
> book).
>
> IMHO, Vista Ultimate full retail - $339 is unnecessary?
>
> I plan to build a new machine before Christmas. New MB, RAM. CPU, and
> Graphics card. At that time I'll delete the XP partition and go Vista
> with no crutches <VBG>.
>
> Any holes in my plan?
>

 

[Bob J]

Full retail version then you have far more flexibility in use.
--
Regards
Bob J
If advise given from anyone, solves problem or not, or if solved from
another source,post back & let us know.
Then we all benefit.



"Ed Forsythe" wrote:

> I'm running an XP Pro box and I'd like to try Vista without jeopardizing my
> XP stuff. I plan on dual booting Vista Ultimate with XP. I can't decide
> between
> Vista Ultimate Upgrade - $239
> Vista Ultimate full version OEM - $190 (I'll buy an after market Vista
> book).
>
> IMHO, Vista Ultimate full retail - $339 is unnecessary?
>
> I plan to build a new machine before Christmas. New MB, RAM. CPU, and
> Graphics card. At that time I'll delete the XP partition and go Vista with
> no crutches <VBG>.
>
> Any holes in my plan?
>
>
>

 

[Ed Forsythe]

Bob do you mean the $339 full retail or the $190 full retail OEM? I think I
can do everything with the OEM version that I cab do with the $339 version -
can't I? I've read and understand the EULA but I understand MS is very
tolerant with hobbyist system builders especially since the new system
contains may components of the original system install.

"Bob J" <BobJ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5C39D09B-5677-4F7A-AFF9-80B191027E7A@microsoft.com...
> Full retail version then you have far more flexibility in use.
> --
> Regards
> Bob J
> If advise given from anyone, solves problem or not, or if solved from
> another source,post back & let us know.
> Then we all benefit.
>
>
>
> "Ed Forsythe" wrote:
>
>> I'm running an XP Pro box and I'd like to try Vista without jeopardizing
>> my
>> XP stuff. I plan on dual booting Vista Ultimate with XP. I can't decide
>> between
>> Vista Ultimate Upgrade - $239
>> Vista Ultimate full version OEM - $190 (I'll buy an after market Vista
>> book).
>>
>> IMHO, Vista Ultimate full retail - $339 is unnecessary?
>>
>> I plan to build a new machine before Christmas. New MB, RAM. CPU, and
>> Graphics card. At that time I'll delete the XP partition and go Vista
>> with
>> no crutches <VBG>.
>>
>> Any holes in my plan?
>>
>>
>>

 

[Lang Murphy]

"Ed Forsythe" <EdForsythe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23U8u011xHHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Bob do you mean the $339 full retail or the $190 full retail OEM? I think
> I can do everything with the OEM version that I cab do with the $339
> version - can't I? I've read and understand the EULA but I understand MS
> is very tolerant with hobbyist system builders especially since the new
> system contains may components of the original system install.
>

<snip>

You've answered your own question. Kind of. If -you- think MS is going to be
tolerant of your moving an OEM copy of Vista from one PC to another, and I'd
have to assume that would be the case considering all the new hw you intend
to use to build your new system, even if you're using the same case, power
supply, and hard drives, then have at it.

If MS is not as tolerant as you suspect, then you'd only be losing $41 when
you buy your second copy of OEM Vista to install on your new PC. And if
MS -is- as tolerant as you hope, then you will have saved $149. Feel lucky?
LOL.

I'm not ragging on you... I don't know how to answer your question other
than in the manner above. As you stated, you've read the EULA. Will MS "look
the other way" with OEM copies of Vista when hobbyists are involved? No
clue. Maybe. Maybe not.

In either case... good luck.

Lang

 

[Richard G. Harper]

Two holes.

The first is that an OEM copy cannot be moved once it's installed on one
PC - the license lives or dies with that PC.

The second is that Microsoft owes you ZERO support when you buy an OEM copy,
the support is the responsibility of the OEM seller. I doubt they'll be of
much help given past history on such things, and this will start a cycle of
the OEM telling you to call Microsoft and Microsoft telling you to call the
OEM.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Ed Forsythe" <EdForsythe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23I8exW0xHHA.312@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> I'm running an XP Pro box and I'd like to try Vista without jeopardizing
> my XP stuff. I plan on dual booting Vista Ultimate with XP. I can't
> decide between
> Vista Ultimate Upgrade - $239
> Vista Ultimate full version OEM - $190 (I'll buy an after market Vista
> book).
>
> IMHO, Vista Ultimate full retail - $339 is unnecessary?
>
> I plan to build a new machine before Christmas. New MB, RAM. CPU, and
> Graphics card. At that time I'll delete the XP partition and go Vista
> with no crutches <VBG>.
>
> Any holes in my plan?
>

 

[DP]

"Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
news:Ozm6Mw4xHHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...


>
> The second is that Microsoft owes you ZERO support when you buy an OEM
> copy, the support is the responsibility of the OEM seller. I doubt
> they'll be of much help given past history on such things, and this will
> start a cycle of the OEM telling you to call Microsoft and Microsoft
> telling you to call the OEM.

It's my understanding that if a company sells you the sealed OEM version
then YOU become the OEM, and the company that sold it to you has no
responsibility to give you support.

 

[Alias]

Richard G. Harper wrote:
> Two holes.
>
> The first is that an OEM copy cannot be moved once it's installed on one
> PC - the license lives or dies with that PC.

Actually, it can be moved. MS would rather you didn't but, technically,
it can be easily done.

> The second is that Microsoft owes you ZERO support when you buy an OEM
> copy, the support is the responsibility of the OEM seller. I doubt
> they'll be of much help given past history on such things, and this will
> start a cycle of the OEM telling you to call Microsoft and Microsoft
> telling you to call the OEM.

BFD. You can get more real support from this group and Google.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Ed Forsythe wrote:
> Bob do you mean the $339 full retail or the $190 full retail OEM? I think I
> can do everything with the OEM version that I cab do with the $339 version -
> can't I? I've read and understand the EULA but I understand MS is very
> tolerant with hobbyist system builders especially since the new system
> contains may components of the original system install.

You may have to phone activate. Tell them you upgraded the machine.

Alias
>
> "Bob J" <BobJ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:5C39D09B-5677-4F7A-AFF9-80B191027E7A@microsoft.com...
>> Full retail version then you have far more flexibility in use.
>> --
>> Regards
>> Bob J
>> If advise given from anyone, solves problem or not, or if solved from
>> another source,post back & let us know.
>> Then we all benefit.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ed Forsythe" wrote:
>>
>>> I'm running an XP Pro box and I'd like to try Vista without jeopardizing
>>> my
>>> XP stuff. I plan on dual booting Vista Ultimate with XP. I can't decide
>>> between
>>> Vista Ultimate Upgrade - $239
>>> Vista Ultimate full version OEM - $190 (I'll buy an after market Vista
>>> book).
>>>
>>> IMHO, Vista Ultimate full retail - $339 is unnecessary?
>>>
>>> I plan to build a new machine before Christmas. New MB, RAM. CPU, and
>>> Graphics card. At that time I'll delete the XP partition and go Vista
>>> with
>>> no crutches <VBG>.
>>>
>>> Any holes in my plan?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

 

[Ed Forsythe]

I don't need MS support and, despite what the OEM EULA says, it *is*
possible to install the OEM copy to an upgraded box. Sheesh!
"Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
news:Ozm6Mw4xHHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Two holes.
>
> The first is that an OEM copy cannot be moved once it's installed on one
> PC - the license lives or dies with that PC.
>
> The second is that Microsoft owes you ZERO support when you buy an OEM
> copy, the support is the responsibility of the OEM seller. I doubt
> they'll be of much help given past history on such things, and this will
> start a cycle of the OEM telling you to call Microsoft and Microsoft
> telling you to call the OEM.
>
> --
> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
> * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
> * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
> * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Ed Forsythe" <EdForsythe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23I8exW0xHHA.312@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> I'm running an XP Pro box and I'd like to try Vista without jeopardizing
>> my XP stuff. I plan on dual booting Vista Ultimate with XP. I can't
>> decide between
>> Vista Ultimate Upgrade - $239
>> Vista Ultimate full version OEM - $190 (I'll buy an after market Vista
>> book).
>>
>> IMHO, Vista Ultimate full retail - $339 is unnecessary?
>>
>> I plan to build a new machine before Christmas. New MB, RAM. CPU, and
>> Graphics card. At that time I'll delete the XP partition and go Vista
>> with no crutches <VBG>.
>>
>> Any holes in my plan?
>>
>

 

[Ed Forsythe]

Thank you Alias you are absolutely correct. Sounds as though you have
experience building you're machines and upgrading them. In any event, I have
found an Vista Ultimate Full retail at a price that makes my initial query
moot. I bought the full Ultimate retail version for $267 with free shipping.
granted it's $67 more than the OEM version but it give me the option of
buying up to two copies of Vista Home premium. (I'll buy one to install on
a laptop later on). That way I can format the laptop drive to get rid of all
the junk and install a clean copy of Home Premium.

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:u1xV8B6xHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Richard G. Harper wrote:
>> Two holes.
>>
>> The first is that an OEM copy cannot be moved once it's installed on one
>> PC - the license lives or dies with that PC.
>
> Actually, it can be moved. MS would rather you didn't but, technically, it
> can be easily done.
>
>> The second is that Microsoft owes you ZERO support when you buy an OEM
>> copy, the support is the responsibility of the OEM seller. I doubt
>> they'll be of much help given past history on such things, and this will
>> start a cycle of the OEM telling you to call Microsoft and Microsoft
>> telling you to call the OEM.
>
> BFD. You can get more real support from this group and Google.
>
> Alias

 

[Dave Cox]

"Ed Forsythe" <EdForsythe@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:#s4J886xHHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

> I don't need MS support and, despite what the OEM EULA says, it
> *is* possible to install the OEM copy to an upgraded box. Sheesh!
> "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
> news:Ozm6Mw4xHHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Two holes.
>>
>> The first is that an OEM copy cannot be moved once it's installed
>> on one PC - the license lives or dies with that PC.
>>
>> The second is that Microsoft owes you ZERO support when you buy
>> an OEM copy, the support is the responsibility of the OEM seller.
>> I doubt they'll be of much help given past history on such
>> things, and this will start a cycle of the OEM telling you to
>> call Microsoft and Microsoft telling you to call the OEM.
>>
>> --
>> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
>> * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
>> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
>> * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
>> * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>> "Ed Forsythe" <EdForsythe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23I8exW0xHHA.312@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> I'm running an XP Pro box and I'd like to try Vista without
>>> jeopardizing my XP stuff. I plan on dual booting Vista Ultimate
>>> with XP. I can't decide between
>>> Vista Ultimate Upgrade - $239
>>> Vista Ultimate full version OEM - $190 (I'll buy an after market
>>> Vista book).
>>>
>>> IMHO, Vista Ultimate full retail - $339 is unnecessary?
>>>
>>> I plan to build a new machine before Christmas. New MB, RAM.
>>> CPU, and Graphics card. At that time I'll delete the XP
>>> partition and go Vista with no crutches <VBG>.
>>>
>>> Any holes in my plan?
>>>
>>
>
>
>

Well other then buying an illegal copy that you might not be able to
activate. Nope no holes at all go for the OEM !

If by any chance you can't activate it make sure to come back
and let us all hear your story.


Dave

 

[DP]

"Dave Cox" <dcox1961@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Well other then buying an illegal copy that you might not be able to
> activate. Nope no holes at all go for the OEM !
>
> If by any chance you can't activate it make sure to come back
> and let us all hear your story.
>


Dave, I'm confused by what you mean by "illegal" and being unable to
activate.
Do you mean the initial installation? Or are you referring to an attempt to
install it on a second machine.

As far as I know, there's nothing illegal about buying a fresh, sealed OEM
version from a vendor like New Egg. That's what I did. Installation was no
problem.

 

[Dave Cox]

"DP" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
news:#iEc1x8xHHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> "Dave Cox" <dcox1961@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Well other then buying an illegal copy that you might not be
>> able to activate. Nope no holes at all go for the OEM !
>>
>> If by any chance you can't activate it make sure to come back
>> and let us all hear your story.
>>
>
>
> Dave, I'm confused by what you mean by "illegal" and being unable
> to activate.
> Do you mean the initial installation? Or are you referring to an
> attempt to install it on a second machine.
>
> As far as I know, there's nothing illegal about buying a fresh,
> sealed OEM version from a vendor like New Egg. That's what I did.
> Installation was no problem.
>
>

Well if your not in compliance with this site.

http://oem.microsoft.com/script/sites/public/licensing.htm

your OEM version you got from New Egg is illegal.

If you are then your good to go.



Dave

 

[Alias]

Dave Cox wrote:
> "DP" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
> news:#iEc1x8xHHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>
>> "Dave Cox" <dcox1961@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> Well other then buying an illegal copy that you might not be
>>> able to activate. Nope no holes at all go for the OEM !
>>>
>>> If by any chance you can't activate it make sure to come back
>>> and let us all hear your story.
>>>
>>
>> Dave, I'm confused by what you mean by "illegal" and being unable
>> to activate.
>> Do you mean the initial installation? Or are you referring to an
>> attempt to install it on a second machine.
>>
>> As far as I know, there's nothing illegal about buying a fresh,
>> sealed OEM version from a vendor like New Egg. That's what I did.
>> Installation was no problem.
>>
>>
>
> Well if your not in compliance with this site.
>
> http://oem.microsoft.com/script/sites/public/licensing.htm
>
> your OEM version you got from New Egg is illegal.
>
> If you are then your good to go.
>
>
>
> Dave

Bullcrap. Using a generic OEM copy of Windows does not a system builder
make unless you plan to SELL the computer as a BUSINESS.

Alias

 

[Ed Forsythe]

Sure it is! Do you really think a reputable retailer like NewEgg , Fry's,
and many others would risk their reputations and incur the wrath of MS by
selling "illegal" copies. MS has graciously included hobbyists in their
"system builders" definition and they no longer require the sale of hardware
to qualify for an OEM version. MS is interested in avoiding piracy not in
isolating legitimate buyers. BTW, do you know that MS has a built-in
loophole in Vista Ultimate Upgrade copies which will allow you to install
without having XP on your drive. Essentially it turns the upgrade version
into a full version permitting clean installs. MS is fully aware of the
loophole and has chosen not to plug it. That's why I cancelled my Ultimate
full version at $267 and ordered the Upgrade version for $176. The OEM was
more expensive at $184. Go figure??

"Dave Cox" <dcox1961@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns996F72BB5877Cdcoxgmailcom@69.28.186.121...
> "DP" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
> news:#iEc1x8xHHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>
>> "Dave Cox" <dcox1961@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> Well other then buying an illegal copy that you might not be
>>> able to activate. Nope no holes at all go for the OEM !
>>>
>>> If by any chance you can't activate it make sure to come back
>>> and let us all hear your story.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Dave, I'm confused by what you mean by "illegal" and being unable
>> to activate.
>> Do you mean the initial installation? Or are you referring to an
>> attempt to install it on a second machine.
>>
>> As far as I know, there's nothing illegal about buying a fresh,
>> sealed OEM version from a vendor like New Egg. That's what I did.
>> Installation was no problem.
>>
>>
>
> Well if your not in compliance with this site.
>
> http://oem.microsoft.com/script/sites/public/licensing.htm
>
> your OEM version you got from New Egg is illegal.
>
> If you are then your good to go.
>
>
>
> Dave

 

[Dave Cox]

"Ed Forsythe" <EdForsythe@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:u8L1R29xHHA.4240@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> Sure it is! Do you really think a reputable retailer like NewEgg ,
> Fry's, and many others would risk their reputations and incur the
> wrath of MS by selling "illegal" copies. MS has graciously
> included hobbyists in their "system builders" definition and they
> no longer require the sale of hardware to qualify for an OEM
> version. MS is interested in avoiding piracy not in isolating
> legitimate buyers. BTW, do you know that MS has a built-in
> loophole in Vista Ultimate Upgrade copies which will allow you to
> install without having XP on your drive. Essentially it turns the
> upgrade version into a full version permitting clean installs. MS
> is fully aware of the loophole and has chosen not to plug it.
> That's why I cancelled my Ultimate full version at $267 and
> ordered the Upgrade version for $176. The OEM was more expensive
> at $184. Go figure??
>
> "Dave Cox" <dcox1961@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns996F72BB5877Cdcoxgmailcom@69.28.186.121...
>> "DP" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
>> news:#iEc1x8xHHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> "Dave Cox" <dcox1961@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> Well other then buying an illegal copy that you might not be
>>>> able to activate. Nope no holes at all go for the OEM !
>>>>
>>>> If by any chance you can't activate it make sure to come
>>>> back and let us all hear your story.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave, I'm confused by what you mean by "illegal" and being
>>> unable to activate.
>>> Do you mean the initial installation? Or are you referring to an
>>> attempt to install it on a second machine.
>>>
>>> As far as I know, there's nothing illegal about buying a fresh,
>>> sealed OEM version from a vendor like New Egg. That's what I
>>> did. Installation was no problem.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well if your not in compliance with this site.
>>
>> http://oem.microsoft.com/script/sites/public/licensing.htm
>>
>> your OEM version you got from New Egg is illegal.
>>
>> If you are then your good to go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>
>
>


Like I said if you comply with the link your good to go otherwise
it's illegal for you to use. Does Microsoft actively persue all OEM
illegal installs? NOPE! will they ? WHO KNOWS......But you wont catch
me whinning they deactivated my version if/when they do.

New Egg states you must be a qualified buyer to buy the OEM version.
do they check for licensing certificates or enrollments or what
ever the case may be prior to selling OEM versions? Apparently
not.....are they legally bound to? I don't know or really care. But
what I do know is, if you are not enrolled or certified to BUY and
use OEM versions as a OEM system builder, you are commiting an
illegal act and sooner or later it just might come back and haunt
you.


Dave

 

[norm]

Dave Cox wrote:
> "Ed Forsythe" <EdForsythe@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:u8L1R29xHHA.4240@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
>
>> Sure it is! Do you really think a reputable retailer like NewEgg ,
>> Fry's, and many others would risk their reputations and incur the
>> wrath of MS by selling "illegal" copies. MS has graciously
>> included hobbyists in their "system builders" definition and they
>> no longer require the sale of hardware to qualify for an OEM
>> version. MS is interested in avoiding piracy not in isolating
>> legitimate buyers. BTW, do you know that MS has a built-in
>> loophole in Vista Ultimate Upgrade copies which will allow you to
>> install without having XP on your drive. Essentially it turns the
>> upgrade version into a full version permitting clean installs. MS
>> is fully aware of the loophole and has chosen not to plug it.
>> That's why I cancelled my Ultimate full version at $267 and
>> ordered the Upgrade version for $176. The OEM was more expensive
>> at $184. Go figure??
>>
>> "Dave Cox" <dcox1961@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns996F72BB5877Cdcoxgmailcom@69.28.186.121...
>>> "DP" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
>>> news:#iEc1x8xHHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>> "Dave Cox" <dcox1961@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> Well other then buying an illegal copy that you might not be
>>>>> able to activate. Nope no holes at all go for the OEM !
>>>>>
>>>>> If by any chance you can't activate it make sure to come
>>>>> back and let us all hear your story.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave, I'm confused by what you mean by "illegal" and being
>>>> unable to activate.
>>>> Do you mean the initial installation? Or are you referring to an
>>>> attempt to install it on a second machine.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know, there's nothing illegal about buying a fresh,
>>>> sealed OEM version from a vendor like New Egg. That's what I
>>>> did. Installation was no problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well if your not in compliance with this site.
>>>
>>> http://oem.microsoft.com/script/sites/public/licensing.htm
>>>
>>> your OEM version you got from New Egg is illegal.
>>>
>>> If you are then your good to go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>>
>
>
> Like I said if you comply with the link your good to go otherwise
> it's illegal for you to use. Does Microsoft actively persue all OEM
> illegal installs? NOPE! will they ? WHO KNOWS......But you wont catch
> me whinning they deactivated my version if/when they do.
>
> New Egg states you must be a qualified buyer to buy the OEM version.
> do they check for licensing certificates or enrollments or what
> ever the case may be prior to selling OEM versions? Apparently
> not.....are they legally bound to? I don't know or really care. But
> what I do know is, if you are not enrolled or certified to BUY and
> use OEM versions as a OEM system builder, you are commiting an
> illegal act and sooner or later it just might come back and haunt
> you.
>
>
> Dave

You might do better to provide your legal advice to newegg, tigerdirect
or other entities selling oem versions of vista.
--
norm

 

[DP]

Dave:
Two points --

1) There was a thread here about two months ago on this subject. It was
headed "Using OEM versions of Vista." That thread referenced several sources
that seemed to indicate that MS was looking upon the DIY community as
falling under the designation of those folks eligible to use OEM copies.
There were several links in several postings (most by me) that indicated MS
would be more tolerant. Unfortunately, none of those links was from MS
itself. However, one of those links referred to something on the MS site
that's accessible by password only.

2) The OEM license says: "'System builder' means an original equipment
manufacturer, an assembler, refurbisher, or pre-installer of software on
computer systems. "
Seems to me that if you're installing an OS on a computer, you meet the
definition of "system builder."

 

[Alias]

DP wrote:
>
>
> Dave:
> Two points --
>
> 1) There was a thread here about two months ago on this subject. It was
> headed "Using OEM versions of Vista." That thread referenced several
> sources that seemed to indicate that MS was looking upon the DIY
> community as falling under the designation of those folks eligible to
> use OEM copies. There were several links in several postings (most by
> me) that indicated MS would be more tolerant. Unfortunately, none of
> those links was from MS itself. However, one of those links referred to
> something on the MS site that's accessible by password only.
>
> 2) The OEM license says: "'System builder' means an original equipment
> manufacturer, an assembler, refurbisher, or pre-installer of software on
> computer systems. "
> Seems to me that if you're installing an OS on a computer, you meet the
> definition of "system builder."

Being as you don't need to join the System Builder club or be a card
carrying System Builder when you buy a one pack of a generic copy of XP
or Vista, it would seem to me that "System Builders" are only those who
build and sell computers with OEM versions on them.

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