Display loads at 640x480 res & cant change

Gary · Nov 20, 2007

Win 98se with SIS 530 display hardware version 163, driver dated 4-14-1999.

On boot sometimes the display comes up at 640x480. Going to
settings,display,settings, the resolution bar is stuck at the low
resolution! Can't change it without rebooting (sometimes several times)
before the resolution bare is unstuck and resolution can be reset to
1024x768 with no problem. Things are then ok for several boots!

Checked SIS site and there is a new driver version 1.08 dated 2002-11-14.
Using a HP vs17e flat panel display. Any chance the new driver will fix or
cause more troubles?

MEB · Nov 20, 2007

"Gary" <gspence@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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| Win 98se with SIS 530 display hardware version 163, driver dated
4-14-1999.
|
| On boot sometimes the display comes up at 640x480. Going to
| settings,display,settings, the resolution bar is stuck at the low
| resolution! Can't change it without rebooting (sometimes several times)
| before the resolution bare is unstuck and resolution can be reset to
| 1024x768 with no problem. Things are then ok for several boots!
|
| Checked SIS site and there is a new driver version 1.08 dated 2002-11-14.
| Using a HP vs17e flat panel display. Any chance the new driver will fix
or
| cause more troubles?
|

The answer to that is a big MAYBE...

As you recently had a registry problem AND display problem, it might be
prudent to ensure any fans in the case and on the video card, CPU, etc., are
functioning properly.

If all checks out Okay, might want to gently wiggle the video card [if an
adapter card] and make sure it has good contact. Older systems pick up
corrosion and fans fail, so periodically checking the plugged in cards,
memory, and processor is a good idea... make sure you follow ESD procedures
and unplug the computer, peripherals, and monitor before touching anything
in the interior ..

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Gary · Nov 20, 2007

Recently removed one side of the case. Fan is running. No change in
problem. Good thought to check the video card IF there is one. I think it
may be built into the mother board!

Thanks for the suggestions.

Gary
"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Gary" <gspence@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
> news:O%23bbjI7KIHA.4948@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | Win 98se with SIS 530 display hardware version 163, driver dated
> 4-14-1999.
> |
> | On boot sometimes the display comes up at 640x480. Going to
> | settings,display,settings, the resolution bar is stuck at the low
> | resolution! Can't change it without rebooting (sometimes several
> times)
> | before the resolution bare is unstuck and resolution can be reset to
> | 1024x768 with no problem. Things are then ok for several boots!
> |
> | Checked SIS site and there is a new driver version 1.08 dated
> 2002-11-14.
> | Using a HP vs17e flat panel display. Any chance the new driver will fix
> or
> | cause more troubles?
> |
>
> The answer to that is a big MAYBE...
>
> As you recently had a registry problem AND display problem, it might be
> prudent to ensure any fans in the case and on the video card, CPU, etc.,
> are
> functioning properly.
>
> If all checks out Okay, might want to gently wiggle the video card [if an
> adapter card] and make sure it has good contact. Older systems pick up
> corrosion and fans fail, so periodically checking the plugged in cards,
> memory, and processor is a good idea... make sure you follow ESD
> procedures
> and unplug the computer, peripherals, and monitor before touching anything
> in the interior ..
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> ________
>
>
>

Gary · Nov 20, 2007

Just as I thought. The display cable plugs directly into the mother
board!!!

Gary
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>
>
> "Gary" <gspence@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
> news:O%23bbjI7KIHA.4948@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | Win 98se with SIS 530 display hardware version 163, driver dated
> 4-14-1999.
> |
> | On boot sometimes the display comes up at 640x480. Going to
> | settings,display,settings, the resolution bar is stuck at the low
> | resolution! Can't change it without rebooting (sometimes several
> times)
> | before the resolution bare is unstuck and resolution can be reset to
> | 1024x768 with no problem. Things are then ok for several boots!
> |
> | Checked SIS site and there is a new driver version 1.08 dated
> 2002-11-14.
> | Using a HP vs17e flat panel display. Any chance the new driver will fix
> or
> | cause more troubles?
> |
>
> The answer to that is a big MAYBE...
>
> As you recently had a registry problem AND display problem, it might be
> prudent to ensure any fans in the case and on the video card, CPU, etc.,
> are
> functioning properly.
>
> If all checks out Okay, might want to gently wiggle the video card [if an
> adapter card] and make sure it has good contact. Older systems pick up
> corrosion and fans fail, so periodically checking the plugged in cards,
> memory, and processor is a good idea... make sure you follow ESD
> procedures
> and unplug the computer, peripherals, and monitor before touching anything
> in the interior ..
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> ________
>
>
>

MEB · Nov 21, 2007

"Gary" <gspence@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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| Just as I thought. The display cable plugs directly into the mother
| board!!!

Okay, then everything is good in Device Manger?
If so, make sure you uninstall the old driver first, reboot in Safe Mode,
check for ghosts/old drivers and doubled entries [all devices], write down
if any and remove restart in Normal Mode, and install the new,,, reboot,
run Find New Hardware to see if everything is installed
Hopefully that will fix the issue, if not then other things may need
checked. [Noted you already checked memory so that's out of the way.]

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Franc Zabkar · Nov 21, 2007

On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:15:56 -0600, "Gary" <gspence@NOSPAMcharter.net>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Win 98se with SIS 530 display hardware version 163, driver dated 4-14-1999.
>
>On boot sometimes the display comes up at 640x480. Going to
>settings,display,settings, the resolution bar is stuck at the low
>resolution! Can't change it without rebooting (sometimes several times)
>before the resolution bare is unstuck and resolution can be reset to
>1024x768 with no problem. Things are then ok for several boots!
>
>Checked SIS site and there is a new driver version 1.08 dated 2002-11-14.
>Using a HP vs17e flat panel display. Any chance the new driver will fix or
>cause more troubles?

Do you have more than one monitor showing up in Device Manager? If so,
is it possible that your machine is sometimes unable to detect your
monitor type, in which case it could be reverting to a "standard"
monitor ???

Onboard graphics shares system RAM. How much RAM do you see in the
General tab of Device Manager? When the machine misbehaves, is there
enough RAM assigned to the graphics subsystem to support a resolution
greater than 640x480 ???

- Franc Zabkar
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Gary · Nov 21, 2007

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:15:56 -0600, "Gary" <gspence@NOSPAMcharter.net>
> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>>Win 98se with SIS 530 display hardware version 163, driver dated
>>4-14-1999.
>>
>>On boot sometimes the display comes up at 640x480. Going to
>>settings,display,settings, the resolution bar is stuck at the low
>>resolution! Can't change it without rebooting (sometimes several times)
>>before the resolution bare is unstuck and resolution can be reset to
>>1024x768 with no problem. Things are then ok for several boots!
>>
>>Checked SIS site and there is a new driver version 1.08 dated 2002-11-14.
>>Using a HP vs17e flat panel display. Any chance the new driver will fix
>>or
>>cause more troubles?
>
> Do you have more than one monitor showing up in Device Manager? If so,
> is it possible that your machine is sometimes unable to detect your
> monitor type, in which case it could be reverting to a "standard"
> monitor ???
>

Only one monitor showing!

Cabnt find any where to determine how much memory is available to display
device. Normally it uses 8k.
> Onboard graphics shares system RAM. How much RAM do you see in the
> General tab of Device Manager? When the machine misbehaves, is there
> enough RAM assigned to the graphics subsystem to support a resolution
> greater than 640x480 ???
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --

Just started with 640x480! Cant change settings so will have to reboot.
Can't find any where to determine how much memory is available to display
device. Normally it uses 8k.

> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Gary · Nov 21, 2007

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:15:56 -0600, "Gary" <gspence@NOSPAMcharter.net>
> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>>Win 98se with SIS 530 display hardware version 163, driver dated
>>4-14-1999.
>>
>>On boot sometimes the display comes up at 640x480. Going to
>>settings,display,settings, the resolution bar is stuck at the low
>>resolution! Can't change it without rebooting (sometimes several times)
>>before the resolution bare is unstuck and resolution can be reset to
>>1024x768 with no problem. Things are then ok for several boots!
>>
>>Checked SIS site and there is a new driver version 1.08 dated 2002-11-14.
>>Using a HP vs17e flat panel display. Any chance the new driver will fix
>>or
>>cause more troubles?
>
> Do you have more than one monitor showing up in Device Manager? If so,
> is it possible that your machine is sometimes unable to detect your
> monitor type, in which case it could be reverting to a "standard"
> monitor ???
>
> Onboard graphics shares system RAM. How much RAM do you see in the
> General tab of Device Manager? When the machine misbehaves, is there
> enough RAM assigned to the graphics subsystem to support a resolution
> greater than 640x480 ???
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

PS: Device manager, general shows available ram at 312 meg byte. That
should leave 8meg for the monitor as total ram is 320meg (two sticks of
memory 256 +64megs)

Gary

Franc Zabkar · Nov 25, 2007

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:30:56 -0600, "Gary" <gspence@NOSPAMcharter.net>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
>news:r9v8k3d4s0j67o9r0ib7vdg3d4tbg2jf2d@4ax.com...

>> Onboard graphics shares system RAM. How much RAM do you see in the
>> General tab of Device Manager? When the machine misbehaves, is there
>> enough RAM assigned to the graphics subsystem to support a resolution
>> greater than 640x480 ???
>>
>> - Franc Zabkar
>
>PS: Device manager, general shows available ram at 312 meg byte. That
>should leave 8meg for the monitor as total ram is 320meg (two sticks of
>memory 256 +64megs)
>
>Gary

That's more than enough. It seems that Windows is falling back to a
standard VGA driver for some reason, though. Maybe you can see
something by r-clicking a blank area of your desktop and then
selecting Settings -> Advanced -> Adapter -> Current files.

Otherwise the only suggestions I can offer are to check the RAM
timings in your BIOS (I have had timing issues with SiS onboard
graphics and 72-pin SIMMs), and to disable video caching in your BIOS
setup (I have had strange video issues, especially during shutdown).

- Franc Zabkar
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Gary · Nov 25, 2007

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:30:56 -0600, "Gary" <gspence@NOSPAMcharter.net>
> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>>"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
>>news:r9v8k3d4s0j67o9r0ib7vdg3d4tbg2jf2d@4ax.com...
>
>>> Onboard graphics shares system RAM. How much RAM do you see in the
>>> General tab of Device Manager? When the machine misbehaves, is there
>>> enough RAM assigned to the graphics subsystem to support a resolution
>>> greater than 640x480 ???
>>>
>>> - Franc Zabkar
>>
>>PS: Device manager, general shows available ram at 312 meg byte. That
>>should leave 8meg for the monitor as total ram is 320meg (two sticks of
>>memory 256 +64megs)
>>
>>Gary
>
> That's more than enough. It seems that Windows is falling back to a
> standard VGA driver for some reason, though. Maybe you can see
> something by r-clicking a blank area of your desktop and then
> selecting Settings -> Advanced -> Adapter -> Current files.
>
> Otherwise the only suggestions I can offer are to check the RAM
> timings in your BIOS (I have had timing issues with SiS onboard
> graphics and 72-pin SIMMs), and to disable video caching in your BIOS
> setup (I have had strange video issues, especially during shutdown).
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Per Settings -> Advanced -> Adapter -> Current files.
get sis530.drv "vdd.sis530v.vxd,dd530_32.dll

The system used to work. May be related to changing from crt to flat panel
monitor. Can't remember if this problem started before the new monitor! No
known changes to the video/memory system other wise.

It could be a shut down problem or a start up as this always occurs on a
fresh boot.

I guess that I will have to bite the bullet and switch monitors!

Thanks for the suggestions.

Gary

Franc Zabkar · Nov 26, 2007

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:05:24 -0600, "Gary" <gspence@NOSPAMcharter.net>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>
>"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
>news:38mjk3hnle4gc65do7ps2p4t1g2400ad5l@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:30:56 -0600, "Gary" <gspence@NOSPAMcharter.net>
>> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>>
>>>"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
>>>news:r9v8k3d4s0j67o9r0ib7vdg3d4tbg2jf2d@4ax.com...
>>
>>>> Onboard graphics shares system RAM. How much RAM do you see in the
>>>> General tab of Device Manager? When the machine misbehaves, is there
>>>> enough RAM assigned to the graphics subsystem to support a resolution
>>>> greater than 640x480 ???
>>>>
>>>> - Franc Zabkar
>>>
>>>PS: Device manager, general shows available ram at 312 meg byte. That
>>>should leave 8meg for the monitor as total ram is 320meg (two sticks of
>>>memory 256 +64megs)
>>>
>>>Gary
>>
>> That's more than enough. It seems that Windows is falling back to a
>> standard VGA driver for some reason, though. Maybe you can see
>> something by r-clicking a blank area of your desktop and then
>> selecting Settings -> Advanced -> Adapter -> Current files.
>>
>> Otherwise the only suggestions I can offer are to check the RAM
>> timings in your BIOS (I have had timing issues with SiS onboard
>> graphics and 72-pin SIMMs), and to disable video caching in your BIOS
>> setup (I have had strange video issues, especially during shutdown).
>>
>> - Franc Zabkar
>> --
>> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
>
>Per Settings -> Advanced -> Adapter -> Current files.
>get sis530.drv "vdd.sis530v.vxd,dd530_32.dll
>
>The system used to work. May be related to changing from crt to flat panel
>monitor. Can't remember if this problem started before the new monitor! No
>known changes to the video/memory system other wise.
>
>It could be a shut down problem or a start up as this always occurs on a
>fresh boot.
>
>I guess that I will have to bite the bullet and switch monitors!

You could have a look at the Monitor settings in your registry.

Go to Start -> Run, type regedit, and then navigate to the following
key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor

This appears to be the key for your graphics card/chip:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Display

Maybe the "MODES" settings will tell you something ???

>Thanks for the suggestions.
>
>Gary

I may be way off base but ...

The following tech note is written for Win95, but might be of some
help. You could use Sysedit to check the [boot] section of system.ini
after a 640x480 reboot.

Description of "*DisplayFallback=" Entry in System.ini File
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q135103/

=================================================================
SUMMARY

Windows 95 Setup adds the following line to the [boot] section of the
System.ini file:

*DisplayFallback=0

This line allows Windows 95 to use the standard VGA driver if the
preferred video driver fails to load during the setup process.

MORE INFORMATION

User.exe adds this line to the System.ini file just before loading a
display driver. If the specified driver fails to load, the value of
the line is changed to 1, the computer is restarted, and the standard
VGA driver is loaded.

Note that the DisplayFallback feature does not work properly with
video drivers written for earlier versions of Windows.
=================================================================

- Franc Zabkar
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MEB · Nov 26, 2007

"Gary" <gspence@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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|
| "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
| news:38mjk3hnle4gc65do7ps2p4t1g2400ad5l@4ax.com...
| > On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:30:56 -0600, "Gary" <gspence@NOSPAMcharter.net>
| > put finger to keyboard and composed:
| >
| >>"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
| >>news:r9v8k3d4s0j67o9r0ib7vdg3d4tbg2jf2d@4ax.com...
| >
| >>> Onboard graphics shares system RAM. How much RAM do you see in the
| >>> General tab of Device Manager? When the machine misbehaves, is there
| >>> enough RAM assigned to the graphics subsystem to support a resolution
| >>> greater than 640x480 ???
| >>>
| >>> - Franc Zabkar
| >>
| >>PS: Device manager, general shows available ram at 312 meg byte. That
| >>should leave 8meg for the monitor as total ram is 320meg (two sticks of
| >>memory 256 +64megs)
| >>
| >>Gary
| >
| > That's more than enough. It seems that Windows is falling back to a
| > standard VGA driver for some reason, though. Maybe you can see
| > something by r-clicking a blank area of your desktop and then
| > selecting Settings -> Advanced -> Adapter -> Current files.
| >
| > Otherwise the only suggestions I can offer are to check the RAM
| > timings in your BIOS (I have had timing issues with SiS onboard
| > graphics and 72-pin SIMMs), and to disable video caching in your BIOS
| > setup (I have had strange video issues, especially during shutdown).
| >
| > - Franc Zabkar
| > --
| > Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
|
| Per Settings -> Advanced -> Adapter -> Current files.
| get sis530.drv "vdd.sis530v.vxd,dd530_32.dll
|
| The system used to work. May be related to changing from crt to flat
panel
| monitor. Can't remember if this problem started before the new monitor!
No
| known changes to the video/memory system other wise.
|
| It could be a shut down problem or a start up as this always occurs on a
| fresh boot.
|
| I guess that I will have to bite the bullet and switch monitors!
|
| Thanks for the suggestions.
|
| Gary
|

Not necessarily.. unless you changed the display device, i.e., the
monitor/CRT to flat screen, you will NOT be able to change the settings. CRT
registry settings are not the same as flat panel/screen devices.
The device should have come with an INF device file, at least... or you
will need to locate one.

I would suggest installing the flat panel INF, un-installing/re-installing
the video adapter driver as it may make some modifications to itself during
installation per that type of display..

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thanatoid · Nov 26, 2007

Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in
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<SNIP>

> ============================================================
> ===== SUMMARY
>
> Windows 95 Setup adds the following line to the [boot]
> section of the System.ini file:
>
> *DisplayFallback=0
>
> This line allows Windows 95 to use the standard VGA driver
> if the preferred video driver fails to load during the
> setup process.
>
> MORE INFORMATION
>
> User.exe adds this line to the System.ini file just before
> loading a display driver. If the specified driver fails to
> load, the value of the line is changed to 1, the computer
> is restarted, and the standard VGA driver is loaded.
>
> Note that the DisplayFallback feature does not work
> properly with video drivers written for earlier versions of
> Windows.
> ============================================================
> =====
>
> - Franc Zabkar

I haven't read the prior parts of the thread, but has someone
suggested the OP check to make sure some "unsuspecting user
installs a piece of new hardware" gremlin didn't lower the max
allotment of RAM for video in the BIOS?

MEB · Nov 26, 2007

Actually, I think this is the same Gary who had some registry and computer
issues previously...

Kind of skipping around trying to correct issues while blind-folded...

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Franc Zabkar · Nov 26, 2007

On 26 Nov 2007 07:39:05 GMT, thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>I haven't read the prior parts of the thread, but has someone
>suggested the OP check to make sure some "unsuspecting user
>installs a piece of new hardware" gremlin didn't lower the max
>allotment of RAM for video in the BIOS?

Yes, I suggested something along those lines and the reply was that
8MB was shared.

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thanatoid · Nov 26, 2007

Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in
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> On 26 Nov 2007 07:39:05 GMT, thanatoid
> <waiting@the.exit.invalid> put finger to keyboard and
> composed:
>
>>I haven't read the prior parts of the thread, but has
>>someone suggested the OP check to make sure some
>>"unsuspecting user installs a piece of new hardware"
>>gremlin didn't lower the max allotment of RAM for video in
>>the BIOS?
>
> Yes, I suggested something along those lines and the reply
> was that 8MB was shared.
>
> - Franc Zabkar

Wouldn't you say 8MB is rather a small amount for 800x600 let
alone a higher resolution with 16 million colors? Especially
when the OP has what, 320 MB of RAM or something? I have 256 on
my Win98SE Lite machine and have 64MB (or 48, can't remember)
assigned to video and still have 150 MB left free most of the
time.

Franc Zabkar · Nov 26, 2007

On 27 Nov 2007 00:23:39 GMT, thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in
>news:gc4mk3915vrlbn1bmuh2q73mgnoftq7r7a@4ax.com:
>
>> On 26 Nov 2007 07:39:05 GMT, thanatoid
>> <waiting@the.exit.invalid> put finger to keyboard and
>> composed:
>>
>>>I haven't read the prior parts of the thread, but has
>>>someone suggested the OP check to make sure some
>>>"unsuspecting user installs a piece of new hardware"
>>>gremlin didn't lower the max allotment of RAM for video in
>>>the BIOS?
>>
>> Yes, I suggested something along those lines and the reply
>> was that 8MB was shared.
>>
>> - Franc Zabkar
>
>Wouldn't you say 8MB is rather a small amount for 800x600 let
>alone a higher resolution with 16 million colors? Especially
>when the OP has what, 320 MB of RAM or something? I have 256 on
>my Win98SE Lite machine and have 64MB (or 48, can't remember)
>assigned to video and still have 150 MB left free most of the
>time.

My old PCChips M571 motherboard (based on an SiS 5597/5598 chipset)
was configured to use only 2MB (although I could have chosen 8MB).
This was enough for 1024x768 at 16 bit colour depth.

The amount of RAM needed to support 1024x768 at 24 bits per pixel is
....

1024 x 768 x 24/8 bytes
= 768 x 3 KB
= 2304KB

At 16 bits the requirement is only 768 x 2 = 1536KB.

Of course I don't do anything more than basic 2D stuff, ie image
viewing, Youtube videos, etc.

- Franc Zabkar
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thanatoid · Nov 27, 2007

Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in
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<SNIP>

> My old PCChips M571 motherboard (based on an SiS 5597/5598
> chipset) was configured to use only 2MB (although I could
> have chosen 8MB). This was enough for 1024x768 at 16 bit
> colour depth.
>
> The amount of RAM needed to support 1024x768 at 24 bits per
> pixel is ...
>
> 1024 x 768 x 24/8 bytes
> = 768 x 3 KB
> = 2304KB
>
> At 16 bits the requirement is only 768 x 2 = 1536KB.
>
> Of course I don't do anything more than basic 2D stuff, ie
> image viewing, Youtube videos, etc.

Wow. It's been a long time since I've had to think about this
stuff... Thanks for the explanation.

I guess it's really just gamers who want 150 fps (WITH smoke and
reflections) that need all the memory...

Curt Christianson · Dec 4, 2007

Thanks for the info. Franc. Like thanatoid, I hadn't thought about that in
a long time. I wondered for quite some time how I could get by with
stealing 8MB from RAM for video, but apparently it's more than enough. I'm
certainly not a gamer--unless you want to consider "Spider Solitaire"
gaming. <VBG> Please keep up with your excellent information. You're a
"guru" around these parts!

--
HTH,
Curt
www.aumha.org

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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> On 27 Nov 2007 00:23:39 GMT, thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid> put
> finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>>Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in
>>news:gc4mk3915vrlbn1bmuh2q73mgnoftq7r7a@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On 26 Nov 2007 07:39:05 GMT, thanatoid
>>> <waiting@the.exit.invalid> put finger to keyboard and
>>> composed:
>>>
>>>>I haven't read the prior parts of the thread, but has
>>>>someone suggested the OP check to make sure some
>>>>"unsuspecting user installs a piece of new hardware"
>>>>gremlin didn't lower the max allotment of RAM for video in
>>>>the BIOS?
>>>
>>> Yes, I suggested something along those lines and the reply
>>> was that 8MB was shared.
>>>
>>> - Franc Zabkar
>>
>>Wouldn't you say 8MB is rather a small amount for 800x600 let
>>alone a higher resolution with 16 million colors? Especially
>>when the OP has what, 320 MB of RAM or something? I have 256 on
>>my Win98SE Lite machine and have 64MB (or 48, can't remember)
>>assigned to video and still have 150 MB left free most of the
>>time.
>
> My old PCChips M571 motherboard (based on an SiS 5597/5598 chipset)
> was configured to use only 2MB (although I could have chosen 8MB).
> This was enough for 1024x768 at 16 bit colour depth.
>
> The amount of RAM needed to support 1024x768 at 24 bits per pixel is
> ...
>
> 1024 x 768 x 24/8 bytes
> = 768 x 3 KB
> = 2304KB
>
> At 16 bits the requirement is only 768 x 2 = 1536KB.
>
> Of course I don't do anything more than basic 2D stuff, ie image
> viewing, Youtube videos, etc.
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Gary · Dec 7, 2007

Re: Display loads at 640x480 res & cant change UPDATE

Had the settings locked up yesterday and could not fix it after several
reboots! Finally changed the display adapter refresh rate setting from
"optimal" to "display default" and then I could reset the resolution to 1024
x 768. Don't know if this will fix it permanently as I think it has been
this way before!

Thanks again for all the suggestions.

Gary

"Gary" <gspence@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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> Win 98se with SIS 530 display hardware version 163, driver dated
> 4-14-1999.
>
> On boot sometimes the display comes up at 640x480. Going to
> settings,display,settings, the resolution bar is stuck at the low
> resolution! Can't change it without rebooting (sometimes several times)
> before the resolution bare is unstuck and resolution can be reset to
> 1024x768 with no problem. Things are then ok for several boots!
>
> Checked SIS site and there is a new driver version 1.08 dated 2002-11-14.
> Using a HP vs17e flat panel display. Any chance the new driver will fix
> or
> cause more troubles?
>

Display loads at 640x480 res & cant change

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