Product key

[supermasterpig]

I need help! i lost my product key and it wont let me in any advice or ways
around the product key? can I use someone elses? I really need to know! help!

 

[Ron Badour]

Product Keys are tied to the type of system, for example, an OEM system
needs an OEM product key. You can probably use google.com to locate what
you need as MS and OEMs no longer provide replacement keys.

--
Regards

Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2007


"supermasterpig" <supermasterpig@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BC38BF14-ECFA-44A8-99BD-ECD5C457E1A4@microsoft.com...
>I need help! i lost my product key and it wont let me in any advice or ways
> around the product key? can I use someone elses? I really need to know!
> help!

 

[98 Guy]

As of 7:50 pm EST, I'm not seeing (on the AIOE server) the original
message to which Ron replied to.

Google shows that the path of the original post is:

g2news1.google.com
news2.google.com
news1.google.com
newshub.sdsu.edu
feeder.news.tin.it
207.46.248.126.MISMATCH
TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl
TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl

while the path of Ron's post is:

g2news1.google.com
news4.google.com
proxad.net
feeder1-2.proxad.net
62.111.101.3.MISMATCH
news.germany.com
news.rh-tec.net
newsfeed.cw.net
cw.net
news-FFM2.ecrc.de
TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl
TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl

In both cases, the first 3 machines to handle both posts are
something.phx.gbl, which I believe are machines that belong to
Microsoft, meaning that both the OP and Ron were posting directly via
Microsoft's NNTP server (correct me if I'm wrong about this).

That said, why did the two posts take different paths to get to
google, and why am I not seeing the OP on the AIOE server?

 

[Stan]

As of 8:11 EST /DST I see the OP and RON's and 98 Guys posts.

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:469C0463.5120592F@Guy.com...
> As of 7:50 pm EST, I'm not seeing (on the AIOE server) the original
> message to which Ron replied to.
>
> Google shows that the path of the original post is:
>
> g2news1.google.com
> news2.google.com
> news1.google.com
> newshub.sdsu.edu
> feeder.news.tin.it
> 207.46.248.126.MISMATCH
> TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl
> TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
> TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
>
> while the path of Ron's post is:
>
> g2news1.google.com
> news4.google.com
> proxad.net
> feeder1-2.proxad.net
> 62.111.101.3.MISMATCH
> news.germany.com
> news.rh-tec.net
> newsfeed.cw.net
> cw.net
> news-FFM2.ecrc.de
> TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl
> TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
> TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl
>
> In both cases, the first 3 machines to handle both posts are
> something.phx.gbl, which I believe are machines that belong to
> Microsoft, meaning that both the OP and Ron were posting directly via
> Microsoft's NNTP server (correct me if I'm wrong about this).
>
> That said, why did the two posts take different paths to get to
> google, and why am I not seeing the OP on the AIOE server?

 

[glee]

Ron posted using Oulook Express, NNTP, and the msnews.microsoft.com server.

The original post was made by supermasterpig using Microsoft's web forum interface
through a web browser, which uses a different server:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx

I see both posts, using OE, NNTP, and the msnews.microsoft.com server.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:469C0463.5120592F@Guy.com...
> As of 7:50 pm EST, I'm not seeing (on the AIOE server) the original
> message to which Ron replied to.
>
> Google shows that the path of the original post is:
>
> g2news1.google.com
> news2.google.com
> news1.google.com
> newshub.sdsu.edu
> feeder.news.tin.it
> 207.46.248.126.MISMATCH
> TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl
> TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
> TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
>
> while the path of Ron's post is:
>
> g2news1.google.com
> news4.google.com
> proxad.net
> feeder1-2.proxad.net
> 62.111.101.3.MISMATCH
> news.germany.com
> news.rh-tec.net
> newsfeed.cw.net
> cw.net
> news-FFM2.ecrc.de
> TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl
> TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
> TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl
>
> In both cases, the first 3 machines to handle both posts are
> something.phx.gbl, which I believe are machines that belong to
> Microsoft, meaning that both the OP and Ron were posting directly via
> Microsoft's NNTP server (correct me if I'm wrong about this).
>
> That said, why did the two posts take different paths to get to
> google, and why am I not seeing the OP on the AIOE server?

 

[98 Guy]

glee wrote:

> Ron posted using Oulook Express, NNTP, and the msnews.microsoft.com
> server. The original post was made by supermasterpig using
> Microsoft's web forum interface through a web browser, which uses
> a different server:
>
> I see both posts, using OE, NNTP, and the msnews.microsoft.com
> server.

I don't doubt that you are seeing both posts, given that you are
probably reading them off the very server that they transited through
on their way out to the internet.

What I'm saying is that even as of right now (11:21 pm EST) I'm still
not seeing the original post on the AIOE server.

 

[glee]

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:469C366C.E136114B@Guy.com...
> glee wrote:
>
>> Ron posted using Oulook Express, NNTP, and the msnews.microsoft.com
>> server. The original post was made by supermasterpig using
>> Microsoft's web forum interface through a web browser, which uses
>> a different server:
>>
>> I see both posts, using OE, NNTP, and the msnews.microsoft.com
>> server.
>
> I don't doubt that you are seeing both posts, given that you are
> probably reading them off the very server that they transited through
> on their way out to the internet.

Not all that likely. msnews uses quite a lot of servers in their server farm.

>
> What I'm saying is that even as of right now (11:21 pm EST) I'm still
> not seeing the original post on the AIOE server.

.....Which is why we're always telling folks to access the groups using the MS news
server (msnews.microsoft.com).

from http://news.aioe.org/:
"This site is designed as a last resort access way to USENET for those who can't
find a better option"
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

 

[98 Guy]

glee wrote:

> > I don't doubt that you are seeing both posts, given that you
> > are probably reading them off the very server that they
> > transited through on their way out to the internet.
>
> Not all that likely. msnews uses quite a lot of servers in their
> server farm.

Why so many servers?

Does MS carry more than just the microsoft.* usenet hirearchy on their
servers?

Acccording to the path as it appears on google, here are the first 3
machines for the original post and Ron's post:

TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl
TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl

TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl
TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl

Other than the first machine (the bottom one of each set) the other
two are identical, meaning that both posts did transit through the
same 2 MS machines before they left MS. Whether or not those same two
machines are the ones you read from is, I guess, another matter.

Can you explain why the two posts took different paths to get to
google?

 

[thanatoid]

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<supermasterpig@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
news:BC38BF14-ECFA-44A8-99BD-ECD5C457E1A4@microsoft.com:

> I need help! i lost my product key and it wont let me in
> any advice or ways around the product key? can I use
> someone elses? I really need to know! help!

http://www.cracks.am/s.x?KW=windows+98&Type=App

--
Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to
reality.

 

[glee]

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:469C5170.46F81CE7@Guy.com...
> glee wrote:
>
>> > I don't doubt that you are seeing both posts, given that you
>> > are probably reading them off the very server that they
>> > transited through on their way out to the internet.
>>
>> Not all that likely. msnews uses quite a lot of servers in their
>> server farm.
>
> Why so many servers?

I couldn't tell you. It might be that the servers are part of a larger server farm
that does all the file serving at MS....that would indeed require a lot of servers.
But I don't know....that is just conjecture. I haven't been in contact with any of
the fellows that run the news servers in a long long time.


> Does MS carry more than just the microsoft.* usenet hirearchy on their
> servers?

See above. And what difference does it make? Is this somehow important to you? Is
it somehow relevant to the original post?


> Acccording to the path as it appears on google, here are the first 3
> machines for the original post and Ron's post:
>
> TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl
> TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
> TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
>
> TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl
> TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
> TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl
>
> Other than the first machine (the bottom one of each set) the other
> two are identical, meaning that both posts did transit through the
> same 2 MS machines before they left MS. Whether or not those same two
> machines are the ones you read from is, I guess, another matter.
>
> Can you explain why the two posts took different paths to get to
> google?

Ron's probably stopped for a drink.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

 

[98 Guy]

glee wrote:

> >> Not all that likely. msnews uses quite a lot of servers in
> >> their server farm.
> >
> > Why so many servers?
>
> I couldn't tell you.

Because maybe you're just shooting from the hip, and you don't know
how many servers MS dedicates to usenet?

> It might be that the servers are part of a larger server farm
> that does all the file serving at MS

Which would make most of the server farm irrelavent because we're just
talking about those involved with their usenet service.

> ....that would indeed require a lot of servers.

When did this turn into a discussion about ALL of MS's servers, usenet
or otherwise?

> But I don't know....that is just conjecture.

Yes. You were conjecturing that MS must have a *lot* of servers
interconnected and involved with their usenet service. Then you
lumped in all of MS's server farm to make it seem even more dramatic.

> I haven't been in contact with any of the fellows that run
> the news servers in a long long time.

Yes. We've had several discussions in the past about Microsoft's
usenet service and servers. You never fail to mention your contacts
within MS yet you never make contact with them to get "the answer".

> > Does MS carry more than just the microsoft.* usenet hirearchy
> > on their servers?
>
> See above.

Where in the "above" do you answer that question?

> And what difference does it make?

I can understand how a full news feed would be spread across different
servers. A more limited news feed, limited to say the microsoft.
hirearchy, wouldn't likely require more than one machine, possibly 2
to handle the web interface.

> Is this somehow important to you? Is it somehow relevant to
> the original post?

You made the assertion that MS has multiple machines to handle their
usenet service:

"msnews uses quite a lot of servers in their server farm."

I'm questioning that assertion. As the number of carried groups goes
down, so to does the server requirements. Get a second opinion from
your MS contacts before you argue with that point.

 

[glee]

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:469D7B00.8CF72C42@Guy.com...
> glee wrote:
>
>> >> Not all that likely. msnews uses quite a lot of servers in
>> >> their server farm.
>> >
>> > Why so many servers?
>>
>> I couldn't tell you.
>
> Because maybe you're just shooting from the hip, and you don't know
> how many servers MS dedicates to usenet?

I would not have said they have a server farm for usenet and web forums if I had not
been told that specifically by the person responsible for them. I do not shoot from
the hip regarding info supplied through those channels. You apparently like to make
baseless inflammatory remarks, however.

>
>> It might be that the servers are part of a larger server farm
>> that does all the file serving at MS
>
> Which would make most of the server farm irrelavent because we're just
> talking about those involved with their usenet service.

So what?


>> ....that would indeed require a lot of servers.
>
> When did this turn into a discussion about ALL of MS's servers, usenet
> or otherwise?


This isn't a discussion about any servers. It's just you hijacking someone else's
thread again.


>> But I don't know....that is just conjecture.
>
> Yes. You were conjecturing that MS must have a *lot* of servers
> interconnected and involved with their usenet service. Then you
> lumped in all of MS's server farm to make it seem even more dramatic.

No, I was not "conjecturing" about MS "must have" a lot of servers blah blah blah.
My conjecture was about whether the web forum and newsgroup servers are connected
with the rest of their servers. You just turn statements around and snip them to
suit your needs. What you state is in no way what I posted.
Dramatic? You have a serious cognitive problem.

>
>> I haven't been in contact with any of the fellows that run
>> the news servers in a long long time.
>
> Yes. We've had several discussions in the past about Microsoft's
> usenet service and servers. You never fail to mention your contacts
> within MS yet you never make contact with them to get "the answer".

Why would I waste my time and theirs just to satisfy your apparently idle curiosity?
I have in fact contacted my Lead at MS regarding your other thread some time ago
about your imaginary cut-off date for Windows Update and Win98. Since there has not
been a definite answer yet as to if and when WU will end for Win98, I have not
posted anything.....nothing yet to report. Obviously since the dates in question
passed without event, your idle conjecture on that was wrong. What crystal ball did
you use to decide I never contacted them? I am certainly not going to report to you
every time I contact someone at MS, and I am not going to waste my precious time
playing word games with you.

> >
> I can understand how a full news feed would be spread across different
> servers. A more limited news feed, limited to say the microsoft.
> hirearchy, wouldn't likely require more than one machine, possibly 2
> to handle the web interface.

You really don't know what you are talking about, so you just make things up
apparently. Are you really so clueless that you believe the MS newsgroups and web
forums are all supported by only one or two machines?

>
>> Is this somehow important to you? Is it somehow relevant to
>> the original post?
>
> You made the assertion that MS has multiple machines to handle their
> usenet service:
>
> "msnews uses quite a lot of servers in their server farm."
>
> I'm questioning that assertion. As the number of carried groups goes
> down, so to does the server requirements. Get a second opinion from
> your MS contacts before you argue with that point.

Again, what does any of this have to do with the original thread? NOTHING. The
original thread was about a Product Key for Win98, but you really don't care what it
was about as long as you can divert the thread to whatever you want to go on about,
it seems.

I frankly don't care what assertion you you question. You just argue for the sake
of argument. I replied to you sincerely....my mistake. It will not happen again.

PLONK.