ADSL slower on Win98SE than on Win2K?

I

Igor

I recently installed Windows 2000 (with SP4) on my PC in a dual-boot
configuration with Windows 98SE. I have an ADSL high-speed Internet
connection with promised speeds of "up to 5 Mb/s."

I have found, using online speed tests, that the speed rarely goes
above 650 Kb/s under Windows 98SE. With everything else but the OS
being identical (e.g. hardware, browsers, etc.), I can regularly
attain speeds of over 3000 Kb/s under Windows 2000.

I'm trying to figure out if this is a limitation of Windows 98SE, or
if this issue is particular to my setup. Anyone else experience this?
--
"When the words of freedom are used to destroy
freedom, it's time for a revolution, and nothing
less than a revolution."
-- Robert W. Whitaker, http://readbob.com/
 
G

glee

Go here:
http://cable-dsl.home.att.net/#IncreasingWindow

Scroll down to "Method 2" of the section, "Increasing TCP Receive Window...", and
download "set_rwin.vbs", a Visual Basic Script, by right-clicking the set_rwin.vbs
link on the web page, and clicking Save Target As.

Direct link:
http://cable-dsl.home.att.net/files/set_rwin.vbs

Backup your Registry:
click Start>Run, type: scanregw
|click OK|
When prompted, say Yes to backing up the Registry.

Then double-click the downloaded .vbs file and follow the prompts to adjust your
settings to optimize for cable/dsl, then reboot when prompted.....then re-test your
connection speeds. I use http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

See also:
http://pcworld.about.com/magazine/1903p200id38602.htm
particularly the "Let the Tweaking Begin" section.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+


"Igor" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
news:a63rl3tpbl8bjh0aue1268uj4ohd0495s9@4ax.com...
>I recently installed Windows 2000 (with SP4) on my PC in a dual-boot
> configuration with Windows 98SE. I have an ADSL high-speed Internet
> connection with promised speeds of "up to 5 Mb/s."
>
> I have found, using online speed tests, that the speed rarely goes
> above 650 Kb/s under Windows 98SE. With everything else but the OS
> being identical (e.g. hardware, browsers, etc.), I can regularly
> attain speeds of over 3000 Kb/s under Windows 2000.
>
> I'm trying to figure out if this is a limitation of Windows 98SE, or
> if this issue is particular to my setup. Anyone else experience this?
> --
> "When the words of freedom are used to destroy
> freedom, it's time for a revolution, and nothing
> less than a revolution."
> -- Robert W. Whitaker, http://readbob.com/
 
L

lb

Igor wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:49:12 -0500, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Go here:
> >http://cable-dsl.home.att.net/#IncreasingWindow
> >
>
> <snip>
>
> Thanks! I'll give it a try.
> --
> "When the words of freedom are used to destroy
> freedom, it's time for a revolution, and nothing
> less than a revolution."
> -- Robert W. Whitaker, http://readbob.com/

I do not doubt and have already used tweaking software to increase the
RWIN, but the TCPIP stack used in Win 2000 is faster than used in 98
so I woulod expect vetter but not equal results.
 
9

98 Guy

lb wrote:

> the TCPIP stack used in Win 2000 is faster than used in 98

Please provide a source for that statement.

While many MS documents refer to Win-2K has having a "better" or
"enhanced" TCP/IP stack (and the tech press parrots such claims),
every document I've seen only makes a comparison between 2K and older
versions of NT - not with any version of 9x.

For example:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/d/0/9d0f411d-640d-47cd-8bdb-326c7fd6078f/perf.doc

While that document does compare win-2k against win-98 on some items,
it leaves win-98 out of any TCP/IP or network performance
measurements.

Given the hardware advances since the date of that document (feb 2000)
it's probably a safe bet that win-98's TCP/IP stack can easily handle
a 6-meg broadband connection if it's running on a typical machine made
post-2002 or 2003.
Whether or not Win-98's stack is slower than Win-2K is of no practical
concern these days. One would think that if it was, then MS would
have included it in the above whitepaper.
 
I

Ingeborg

Igor wrote:

> I recently installed Windows 2000 (with SP4) on my PC in a dual-boot
> configuration with Windows 98SE. I have an ADSL high-speed Internet
> connection with promised speeds of "up to 5 Mb/s."
>
> I have found, using online speed tests, that the speed rarely goes
> above 650 Kb/s under Windows 98SE. With everything else but the OS
> being identical (e.g. hardware, browsers, etc.), I can regularly
> attain speeds of over 3000 Kb/s under Windows 2000.
>
> I'm trying to figure out if this is a limitation of Windows 98SE, or
> if this issue is particular to my setup. Anyone else experience this?
>

I've several PC's on an 4Mb ADSL connection, and all of them are able to
receive a 4Mb stream, (Not on the same time, of course :) even a 166MHz P1
laptop running W95 OSR2.

Do you have an USB ADSL modem? These are infamous for their poor drivers in
W9x. If you can, have a try with an ethernet modem.
 
L

lb

98 Guy wrote:
> lb wrote:
>
> > the TCPIP stack used in Win 2000 is faster than used in 98
>
> Please provide a source for that statement.
>
> While many MS documents refer to Win-2K has having a "better" or
> "enhanced" TCP/IP stack (and the tech press parrots such claims),
> every document I've seen only makes a comparison between 2K and older
> versions of NT - not with any version of 9x.
>
> For example:
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/d/0/9d0f411d-640d-47cd-8bdb-326c7fd6078f/perf.doc
>
> While that document does compare win-2k against win-98 on some items,
> it leaves win-98 out of any TCP/IP or network performance
> measurements.
>
> Given the hardware advances since the date of that document (feb 2000)
> it's probably a safe bet that win-98's TCP/IP stack can easily handle
> a 6-meg broadband connection if it's running on a typical machine made
> post-2002 or 2003.
> Whether or not Win-98's stack is slower than Win-2K is of no practical
> concern these days. One would think that if it was, then MS would
> have included it in the above whitepaper.

My info is mostly hear say from http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showforum=8

A recent post regarding this topic (broadband on 98) was posted to
this group. I was hoping to get the files that made this possible
with the 98SETOME project, but after further reading, it appears that
this part has not been worked out.

I get up to 6.5 meg with my DSL and up to 760 K downstream.
 
I

Igor

On 11 Dec 2007 08:24:35 GMT, Ingeborg <a@b.invalid> wrote:

<snip>
>
>Do you have an USB ADSL modem? <snip>

Nope. It's an ethernet modem.
--
"When the words of freedom are used to destroy
freedom, it's time for a revolution, and nothing
less than a revolution."
-- Robert W. Whitaker, http://readbob.com/
 
I

Igor

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:49:12 -0500, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
wrote:

>Go here:
>http://cable-dsl.home.att.net/#IncreasingWindow
>
>Scroll down to "Method 2" of the section, "Increasing TCP Receive Window...", and
>download "set_rwin.vbs", a Visual Basic Script, by right-clicking the set_rwin.vbs
>link on the web page, and clicking Save Target As.
>
>Direct link:
>http://cable-dsl.home.att.net/files/set_rwin.vbs
>
>Backup your Registry:
>click Start>Run, type: scanregw
>|click OK|
>When prompted, say Yes to backing up the Registry.
>
>Then double-click the downloaded .vbs file and follow the prompts to adjust your
>settings to optimize for cable/dsl, then reboot when prompted.....then re-test your
>connection speeds. I use http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
>
>See also:
>http://pcworld.about.com/magazine/1903p200id38602.htm
>particularly the "Let the Tweaking Begin" section.

I finally got around to trying this. Speakeasy.net download results
prior to the modification: 702 kbps. Speakeasy.net download results
after the modification (using the same server, browser cache cleared):
2620 kbps. Thank you so ever much!
--
"When the words of freedom are used to destroy
freedom, it's time for a revolution, and nothing
less than a revolution."
-- Robert W. Whitaker, http://readbob.com/
 
G

glee

"Igor" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
news:8vilm39e8pdhb8kg0thgpfg83f8sovpbv9@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:49:12 -0500, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Go here:
>>http://cable-dsl.home.att.net/#IncreasingWindow
>>
>>Scroll down to "Method 2" of the section, "Increasing TCP Receive Window...", and
>>download "set_rwin.vbs", a Visual Basic Script, by right-clicking the set_rwin.vbs
>>link on the web page, and clicking Save Target As.
>>
>>Direct link:
>>http://cable-dsl.home.att.net/files/set_rwin.vbs
>>
>>Backup your Registry:
>>click Start>Run, type: scanregw
>>|click OK|
>>When prompted, say Yes to backing up the Registry.
>>
>>Then double-click the downloaded .vbs file and follow the prompts to adjust your
>>settings to optimize for cable/dsl, then reboot when prompted.....then re-test
>>your
>>connection speeds. I use http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
>>
>>See also:
>>http://pcworld.about.com/magazine/1903p200id38602.htm
>>particularly the "Let the Tweaking Begin" section.
>
> I finally got around to trying this. Speakeasy.net download results
> prior to the modification: 702 kbps. Speakeasy.net download results
> after the modification (using the same server, browser cache cleared):
> 2620 kbps. Thank you so ever much!

That's a significant improvement! Glad it worked for you! I saw a similar
improvement on old 98 machines at work which had previously been on dial-up, then
ADSL, then cable.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
 
S

Sudy Nim

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:O$VOIsSRIHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> "Igor" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
> news:8vilm39e8pdhb8kg0thgpfg83f8sovpbv9@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:49:12 -0500, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Go here:
> >>http://cable-dsl.home.att.net/#IncreasingWindow
> >>
> >>Scroll down to "Method 2" of the section, "Increasing TCP Receive
Window...", and
> >>download "set_rwin.vbs", a Visual Basic Script, by right-clicking the
set_rwin.vbs
> >>link on the web page, and clicking Save Target As.
> >>
> >>Direct link:
> >>http://cable-dsl.home.att.net/files/set_rwin.vbs
> >>
> >>Backup your Registry:
> >>click Start>Run, type: scanregw
> >>|click OK|
> >>When prompted, say Yes to backing up the Registry.
> >>
> >>Then double-click the downloaded .vbs file and follow the prompts to
adjust your
> >>settings to optimize for cable/dsl, then reboot when prompted.....then
re-test
> >>your
> >>connection speeds. I use http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
> >>
> >>See also:
> >>http://pcworld.about.com/magazine/1903p200id38602.htm
> >>particularly the "Let the Tweaking Begin" section.
> >
> > I finally got around to trying this. Speakeasy.net download results
> > prior to the modification: 702 kbps. Speakeasy.net download results
> > after the modification (using the same server, browser cache cleared):
> > 2620 kbps. Thank you so ever much!
>
> That's a significant improvement! Glad it worked for you! I saw a similar
> improvement on old 98 machines at work which had previously been on dial-up,
then
> ADSL, then cable.
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>
>
Maybe, that big improvement is related to the speed of the service i.e. Basic,
Express, Pro, Elite or whatever yours are called. I subscribe to the slowest
or cheapest and downstream went from 631 to 710, :-( with my old w98. But it
still beats dial up, just my2¢ worth.
 
G

glee

"Sudy Nim" <pseudonym@noplace.com> wrote in message
news:pqybj.308676$kj1.169818@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:O$VOIsSRIHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> "Igor" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>> news:8vilm39e8pdhb8kg0thgpfg83f8sovpbv9@4ax.com...
>> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:49:12 -0500, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>Go here:
>> >>http://cable-dsl.home.att.net/#IncreasingWindow
>> >>
>> >>Scroll down to "Method 2" of the section, "Increasing TCP Receive
> Window...", and
>> >>download "set_rwin.vbs", a Visual Basic Script, by right-clicking the
> set_rwin.vbs
>> >>link on the web page, and clicking Save Target As.
>> >>
>> >>Direct link:
>> >>http://cable-dsl.home.att.net/files/set_rwin.vbs
>> >>
>> >>Backup your Registry:
>> >>click Start>Run, type: scanregw
>> >>|click OK|
>> >>When prompted, say Yes to backing up the Registry.
>> >>
>> >>Then double-click the downloaded .vbs file and follow the prompts to
> adjust your
>> >>settings to optimize for cable/dsl, then reboot when prompted.....then
> re-test
>> >>your
>> >>connection speeds. I use http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
>> >>
>> >>See also:
>> >>http://pcworld.about.com/magazine/1903p200id38602.htm
>> >>particularly the "Let the Tweaking Begin" section.
>> >
>> > I finally got around to trying this. Speakeasy.net download results
>> > prior to the modification: 702 kbps. Speakeasy.net download results
>> > after the modification (using the same server, browser cache cleared):
>> > 2620 kbps. Thank you so ever much!
>>
>> That's a significant improvement! Glad it worked for you! I saw a similar
>> improvement on old 98 machines at work which had previously been on dial-up,
> then
>> ADSL, then cable.
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>>
>>
> Maybe, that big improvement is related to the speed of the service i.e. Basic,
> Express, Pro, Elite or whatever yours are called. I subscribe to the slowest
> or cheapest and downstream went from 631 to 710, :-( with my old w98. But it
> still beats dial up, just my2¢ worth.

Sure, the maximum speed is still determined by what you pay for from your ISP, but
what we were referring to in this thread was improving speed relative to other
systems with other operating systems that are using the same connection with the
same maximum speed.

Happy Holidays!
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
 
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