The Problems of Registry Cleaners

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O.J. Newman

Hello:

As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more harm
than good.

There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group
"microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of "Which
Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent postings in
this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post referenced an
interesting forum thread at: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 , which
discussed the many problems that such utilities can cause.

FYI.

Cheers,
O.J.
 
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webster72n

That should sum it up nicely, for someone who didn't know already, OJ.
Concerning the average PC-User it is 'hands off' for Registry Cleaners.
Even though I have some of those programs mentioned at hand, including
'Eusing Free Registry Cleaner', I have followed the above rule from the very
beginning.
Thanks for the 'enlightenment'.

Harry.



"O.J. Newman" <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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> Hello:
>
> As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more
harm
> than good.
>
> There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group
> "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of "Which
> Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent postings
in
> this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post referenced
an
> interesting forum thread at: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 ,
which
> discussed the many problems that such utilities can cause.
>
> FYI.
>
> Cheers,
> O.J.
>
>
 
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richard

O.J. Newman wrote:
> Hello:
>
> As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more harm
> than good.
>
> There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group
> "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of "Which
> Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent postings in
> this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post referenced an
> interesting forum thread at: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 , which
> discussed the many problems that such utilities can cause.
>
> FYI.
>
> Cheers,
> O.J.
>
>
I read the usenet group comments and noticed that Silj excepted
CCleaner from his warning. I wonder how safe that program is.

rmk
 
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webster72n

"richard" <rmk@wonderland.net> wrote in message
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> O.J. Newman wrote:
> > Hello:
> >
> > As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more
harm
> > than good.
> >
> > There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group
> > "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of
"Which
> > Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent postings
in
> > this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post
referenced an
> > interesting forum thread at: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 ,
which
> > discussed the many problems that such utilities can cause.
> >
> > FYI.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > O.J.
> >
> >
> I read the usenet group comments and noticed that Silj excepted
> CCleaner from his warning. I wonder how safe that program is.

The program is safe, but in the wrong hands it can be detrimental, as is the
case with the others. Personally I am somewhat apprehensive about CCleaner,
proving that I'm just an 'average pc-user'. Maybe a short lesson could
'qualify' me <g>? <H>.

>
> rmk
 
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Heirloom

I have used CCleaner and, for that matter, jv16 PowerTools...the old free
version, for a long time....never a prob. I always look at what is about to
be cleaned and put my blessings on it, as well as making a backup. Plus, I
have a complete disc backup in two other places.
Guess you could say I don't trust myself or the hardware/software.
Heirloom, old and backup my backups


"webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "richard" <rmk@wonderland.net> wrote in message
> news:eDZJJUmRIHA.5976@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> O.J. Newman wrote:
>> > Hello:
>> >
>> > As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more
> harm
>> > than good.
>> >
>> > There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group
>> > "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of
> "Which
>> > Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent
>> > postings
> in
>> > this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post
> referenced an
>> > interesting forum thread at: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 ,
> which
>> > discussed the many problems that such utilities can cause.
>> >
>> > FYI.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > O.J.
>> >
>> >
>> I read the usenet group comments and noticed that Silj excepted
>> CCleaner from his warning. I wonder how safe that program is.
>
> The program is safe, but in the wrong hands it can be detrimental, as is
> the
> case with the others. Personally I am somewhat apprehensive about
> CCleaner,
> proving that I'm just an 'average pc-user'. Maybe a short lesson could
> 'qualify' me <g>? <H>.
>
>>
>> rmk
>
>
 
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richard

Heirloom wrote:
> I have used CCleaner and, for that matter, jv16 PowerTools...the old free
> version, for a long time....never a prob. I always look at what is about to
> be cleaned and put my blessings on it, as well as making a backup. Plus, I
> have a complete disc backup in two other places.
> Guess you could say I don't trust myself or the hardware/software.
> Heirloom, old and backup my backups
>
>
> "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Ofoi0xmRIHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> "richard" <rmk@wonderland.net> wrote in message
>> news:eDZJJUmRIHA.5976@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> O.J. Newman wrote:
>>>> Hello:
>>>>
>>>> As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more
>> harm
>>>> than good.
>>>>
>>>> There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group
>>>> "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of
>> "Which
>>>> Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent
>>>> postings
>> in
>>>> this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post
>> referenced an
>>>> interesting forum thread at: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 ,
>> which
>>>> discussed the many problems that such utilities can cause.
>>>>
>>>> FYI.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> O.J.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I read the usenet group comments and noticed that Silj excepted
>>> CCleaner from his warning. I wonder how safe that program is.
>> The program is safe, but in the wrong hands it can be detrimental, as is
>> the
>> case with the others. Personally I am somewhat apprehensive about
>> CCleaner,
>> proving that I'm just an 'average pc-user'. Maybe a short lesson could
>> 'qualify' me <g>? <H>.
>>
>>> rmk
>>
>
>

When cleaning the Applications, CC does not offer a backup. What to do
in that case?
 
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O.J. Newman

Hello All:

*IF* someone wants to tread on thin ice, and try a registry cleaner,
contrary to advertising, the less aggressive ones would be the ones to go
with. This goes against the advertising claims of aggressive cleaners that
claim to find many more registry entry to delete than competing products,
but in being aggressive and deleting more registry entries, these products,
based on what I've read, are more likely to delete necessary registry
entries, causing troubles later on. The less aggressive cleaners are
probably safer as they would seem to only go after the more likely
unnecessary or duplicate registry entries.

For a review of some registries cleaners, if you are determined to go that
route, there's an online article "Langa Letter: Testing 10 Windows 'Registry
Cleaning' Software Packs" at:
http://www.informationweek.com/LP/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=171203805&pgno=1&queryText= .
Note that Fred Langa is in favor of using a good registry cleaning utility,
advice that goes against that of *many* MS MVP Usenet contributors,
including Mike M. here. Langa writes highly of the original freeware JV
Power Tools, the newer shareware editions of JV Power Tools, and EasyCleaner
by ToniArts. For a paid product, Langa recommends the newer shareware
editions of JV Power Tools. For freeware products, he likes the original JV
power Tools and EasyCleaner. And, unfortunately, he did not include CCleaner
in his review.

But as mentioned in the Win XP Usenet groups, freeware registry cleaners can
possibly wreak havoc on your system at no cost to you, and the
commercial/shareware products will charge you good money for the opportunity
to cause problems on your system.

At the very least, if you are tempted to try one/some of these utilities, be
sure to follow the advice presented here to backup first!

Just some observations from someone who is reading and trying to make sense
of this all.

Cheers,
O.J.


"Heirloom" <nobodyhome@noplacelike.hom> wrote in message
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>I have used CCleaner and, for that matter, jv16 PowerTools...the old free
>version, for a long time....never a prob. I always look at what is about
>to be cleaned and put my blessings on it, as well as making a backup.
>Plus, I have a complete disc backup in two other places.
> Guess you could say I don't trust myself or the hardware/software.
> Heirloom, old and backup my backups
 
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Heirloom

richard,
I set it up initially to clean only the things that are safe to remove,
i.e. log files that are of no use to me other than telling me that last time
I ran a scan....WMP, I don't care for any stored info there!, etc. etc.

O.J.,
I have not been a real big fan of Langa for quite a while. Although,
most of his stuff is sound, there are those that I consider more "in the
know" that are quite critical of him. (only MHO, not banging your hero...if
he is). I totally agree that reg cleaners are mostly (if not all) snake oil
and of little or no use to anyone and they can cause a LOT of trouble.
I find a couple of them handy to retrieve things that would take me a while
to do manually, and, I NEVER let them do anything automatic and I ALWAYS
backup, even after looking at what is going to be cleaned. Mostly, I use
them when I have removed a program or made some major changes just to catch
most of the detritus that would take more time manually.
Heiroom, old and unorthodox
>
> When cleaning the Applications, CC does not offer a backup. What to do in
> that case?
 
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webster72n

Don't know if he includes 'Eusing Free Registry Cleaner', but you ought to
try and find out about it, OJ. It has a restore feature and was mentioned
quite a while back by an MVP. I think it may even be better and safer than
CC. One may use it for one's personal pc for free and when the registration
box comes up, just click on 'skip'.
There you have it, that ought to cover 'the whole story'.

Harry.


"O.J. Newman" <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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> Hello Again:
>
> I meant to include in my last post, that the freeware registry cleaners
> mentioned by Fred Langa can be found at:
>
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/PL2007SYSTEMUTILITIES.php#3.02RegistryAndFileTools .
>
> But remeber, you may be playing with fire, and to do backups first.
>
> Cheers,
> O.J.
>
>
 
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O.J. Newman

Hi Harry!

Thanks for the info. I'll look into Eusing - even though I am leery of reg
cleaners in general after what I've been reading.

Cheers,
O.J.

"webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uCkjoBpRIHA.5976@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Don't know if he includes 'Eusing Free Registry Cleaner', but you ought to
> try and find out about it, OJ. It has a restore feature and was mentioned
> quite a while back by an MVP. I think it may even be better and safer than
> CC. One may use it for one's personal pc for free and when the
> registration
> box comes up, just click on 'skip'.
> There you have it, that ought to cover 'the whole story'.
>
> Harry.
 
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O.J. Newman

BTW, for those interested in the Eusing Free Registry Cleaner, see:
http://www.eusing.com/free_registry_cleaner/registry_cleaner.htm .

O.J.

"O.J. Newman" <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Harry!
>
> Thanks for the info. I'll look into Eusing - even though I am leery of reg
> cleaners in general after what I've been reading.
>
> Cheers,
> O.J.
>
> "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uCkjoBpRIHA.5976@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Don't know if he includes 'Eusing Free Registry Cleaner', but you ought
>> to
>> try and find out about it, OJ. It has a restore feature and was mentioned
>> quite a while back by an MVP. I think it may even be better and safer
>> than
>> CC. One may use it for one's personal pc for free and when the
>> registration
>> box comes up, just click on 'skip'.
>> There you have it, that ought to cover 'the whole story'.
>>
>> Harry.
>
>
 
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webster72n

"O.J. Newman" <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
news:uhCXbrsRIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hi Harry!
>
> Thanks for the info. I'll look into Eusing - even though I am leery of reg
> cleaners in general after what I've been reading.

So far I haven't used any of the 'cleaners' for anything else but the scan,
to check for 'impurities'. Should a 'cleansing' ever be necessary for
whatever reason, I'd either get 'good advice' before, or take it to the
'tech'.
You feel the 'Christmas Spirit' in the air too? <H>.

>
> Cheers,
> O.J.
>
> "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uCkjoBpRIHA.5976@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Don't know if he includes 'Eusing Free Registry Cleaner', but you ought
to
> > try and find out about it, OJ. It has a restore feature and was
mentioned
> > quite a while back by an MVP. I think it may even be better and safer
than
> > CC. One may use it for one's personal pc for free and when the
> > registration
> > box comes up, just click on 'skip'.
> > There you have it, that ought to cover 'the whole story'.
> >
> > Harry.
>
>
 
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Not Me

Any registry cleaner can be dangerous.
It's like a gun, do you want your 5 year old waving it around, loaded and
cocked with the safety off?
If you are NOT a power user/geek, that is what YOU are doing (to your
computer) with a reg cleaner.
If you have any doubt about using it, DON'T!!

--
A Professional Amateur...If anyone knew it all, none of would be here!
CarGodZeroOne@hotmail.com
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"O.J. Newman" <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
news:OpN602dRIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hello:
>
> As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more
> harm than good.
>
> There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group
> "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of "Which
> Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent postings
> in this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post
> referenced an interesting forum thread at:
> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 , which discussed the many problems
> that such utilities can cause.
>
> FYI.
>
> Cheers,
> O.J.
>
>
 
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Bruce Nelson

I am not a geek. I have been using RegVac for 4 years with no problems. I
leave it set on "novice", and don't worry about it. I find it interesting
that the number of entries is usually pretty close to the number of items
some of my security software deletes or lists for deletion (running RegVac
after the security cleanup stuff). I don't remember whether I paid for it
or it was free.

Bruce Nelson


"O.J. Newman" <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
news:OpN602dRIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hello:
>
> As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more
> harm than good.
>
> There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group
> "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of "Which
> Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent postings
> in this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post
> referenced an interesting forum thread at:
> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 , which discussed the many problems
> that such utilities can cause.
>
> FYI.
>
> Cheers,
> O.J.
>
>
 
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Bruce Nelson

because things are true or false according to the aspect in which we
look at them. The will, which prefers one aspect to another, turns away the
mind from considering the qualities of all that it does not like to see and
thus the mind, moving in accord with the will, stops to consider the aspect
which it likes and so judges by what it sees.

100. Self-love. The nature of self-love and of this human Ego is to love
self only and consider self only. But what will man do? He cannot prevent
this object that he loves from being full of faults and wants. He wants to
be great, and he sees himself small. He wants to be happy, and he sees
himself miserable. He wants to be perfect, and he sees himself full of
imperfections. He wants to be the object of love and esteem among men, and
he sees that his faults merit only their hatred and contempt. This
embarrassment in which he finds himself produces in him the most unrighteous
and criminal passion that can be imagined for he conceives a mortal enmity
against that truth which reproves him and which convinces him of his faults.
He would annihilate it, but, unable to destroy it in its essence, he
destroys it as far as possible in his own knowledge and in that of others
that is to say, he devotes all his attention to hiding his faults both from
others and from himself, and he cannot endure either that others should
point them out to him, or that they should see them.

Truly it is an evil to be full of faults but it is a still greater evil to
be full of them and to be unwilling to recognise them, since that is to add
the further
 
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Not Me

that love triumph over their enemies.

608. The carnal Jews hold a midway place between Christians and heathens.
The heathens know not God, and love the world only. The Jews know the true
God, and love the world only. The Christians know the true God, and love not
the world. Jews and heathens love the same good. Jews and Christians know
the same God.

The Jews were of two kinds the first had only heathen affections, the other
had Christian affections.

609. There are two kinds of men in each religion: among the heathen,
worshippers of beasts and the worshippers of the one only God of natural
religion among the Jews, the carnal, and the spiritual, who were the
Christians of the old law among Christians, the coarser-minded, who are the
Jews of the new law. The carnal Jews looked for a carnal Messiah the
coarser Christians believe that the Messiah has dispensed them from the love
of God true Jews and true Christians worship a Messiah who makes them love
God.

610. To show that the true Jews and the true Christians have but the same
religion.--The re
 
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