Windows 9x/98SE, Me Updates/Patches/Downloads

[BMillikan]

I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows 95, 98, 98SE &
ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are
Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get
the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point me in the
right direction?

Thanks,
Brian
--
Brian Millikan
Computer/Software Engineer
Microsoft Control Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist / Hardware Driver
Development / User-Level Hardware Device Interfaces

 

[Mike M]

You can still download patches and updates for Win 98/98SE and Win Me from
the Windows Update site
(http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp) or if you wish to
download and burn copies to a CD for later use rather than install use the
Windows Update Catalogue
(http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp) although
the latter must be accessed from a PC running a Win 9x operating system -
later operating systems are now redirected to the v7 Catalogue site that
has no Win 9x content.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


BMillikan <BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows 95, 98,
> 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs for my 3-year-old
> and they are Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I
> need to be able to get the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow.
> Can anyone point me in the right direction?

 

[thanatoid]

=?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=
<BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:

> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows
> 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs
> for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1 or Windows 95
> only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get the
> patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point
> me in the right direction?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian

You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to use some
CD's.

You only need them if you will be connecting to the Internet and
using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.

Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from
www.oldversion.com

Now, don't get all ruffled up, but WHY in the world is a

"Computer/Software Engineer, Microsoft Control Applications
(Dialog-Based) Specialist etc."

asking this basic-as-can-get question?


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thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.
02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.
03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
gun.
04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.
05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3
hour orgy.
06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions
breakfast.
07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

 

[philo]

"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns9A18DA48E5349thanexit@66.250.146.158...
> =?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=
> <BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:
>
>> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows
>> 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs
>> for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1 or Windows 95
>> only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get the
>> patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point
>> me in the right direction?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>
> You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to use some
> CD's.
>
> You only need them if you will be connecting to the Internet and
> using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.
>
> Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from
> www.oldversion.com
>
> Now, don't get all ruffled up, but WHY in the world is a
>
> "Computer/Software Engineer, Microsoft Control Applications
> (Dialog-Based) Specialist etc."
>
> asking this basic-as-can-get question?
>
>


That's quite true...

but if you do want the updates for win98/ME...if the machine has IE6
installed
you can still gte them.

It's simply that MS is no longer writing new updates

 

[N. Miller]

On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

> Use Opera 7.23...

Why? Opera 9.25 runs under Windows ME.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

 

[thanatoid]

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
news:uukj25TTIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

>
> "thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A18DA48E5349thanexit@66.250.146.158...
>> =?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=
>> <BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:
>>
>>> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for
>>> Windows 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of
>>> learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1
>>> or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able
>>> to get the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can
>>> anyone point me in the right direction?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian
>>
>> You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to
>> use some CD's.
>>
>> You only need them if you will be connecting to the
>> Internet and using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.
>>
>> Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from
>> www.oldversion.com
>>
>> Now, don't get all ruffled up, but WHY in the world is a
>>
>> "Computer/Software Engineer, Microsoft Control
>> Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist etc."
>>
>> asking this basic-as-can-get question?


> That's quite true...
>
> but if you do want the updates for win98/ME...if the
> machine has IE6 installed
> you can still gte them.
>
> It's simply that MS is no longer writing new updates

The BEST place to get them with ANY browser - as the web was
intended to work in the first pace - is:

http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html

You can then examine them without going through the pages and
pages of MS explanations and decide if you REALLY need any of
them.


--
Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,
but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.
02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.
03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
gun.
04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.
05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3
hour orgy.
06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions
breakfast.
07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

 

[thanatoid]

"N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in
news:gkltigc8okpe.dlg@msnews.aosake.net:

> On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid wrote:
>
>> Use Opera 7.23...
>
> Why? Opera 9.25 runs under Windows ME.

It may "run" but it won't run as fast and will crash more on
98SE.



--
Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,
but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.
02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.
03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
gun.
04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.
05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3
hour orgy.
06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions
breakfast.
07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

 

[BMillikan]

Well, my future plan is to connec that compute to my domain and give it
limited access to the internet. But, there are no such plans right now.
Despite all the bad stuff out there on the i-net, there are some good sites
for preschoolers (especially playhouse Disney's web site).

Why am I asking? Because I'd like a fully patched/updated/upgraded
Win95/Win98/Win98SE/WinMe collections of CDs for the future because I also
have an (almost) 1-year-old that will be using the same software and it is
only for Windows 3.1 or Window 95 (some of them). The "emulation mode" in XP
and Vista have only been successful in some applications. But, not for games
like that. So, I have to revert back to Win98 (at this point).
--
Brian Millikan
Computer/Software Engineer
Microsoft Control Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist / Hardware Driver
Development / User-Level Hardware Device Interfaces



"thanatoid" wrote:

> =?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=
> <BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:
>
> > I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows
> > 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs
> > for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1 or Windows 95
> > only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get the
> > patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point
> > me in the right direction?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
>
> You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to use some
> CD's.
>
> You only need them if you will be connecting to the Internet and
> using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.
>
> Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from
> www.oldversion.com
>
> Now, don't get all ruffled up, but WHY in the world is a
>
> "Computer/Software Engineer, Microsoft Control Applications
> (Dialog-Based) Specialist etc."
>
> asking this basic-as-can-get question?
>
>
> --
> Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,
> but I'd thought I'd play along just once...
>
> thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.
>
> 01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.
> 02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.
> 03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
> gun.
> 04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.
> 05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3
> hour orgy.
> 06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions
> breakfast.
> 07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.
>

 

[thanatoid]

=?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=
<BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
news:0D41BB7A-273A-48D4-8DF9-8BBD314B782C@microsoft.com:

> Well, my future plan is to connec that compute to my domain
> and give it limited access to the internet. But, there are
> no such plans right now. Despite all the bad stuff out
> there on the i-net, there are some good sites for
> preschoolers (especially playhouse Disney's web site).
>
> Why am I asking? Because I'd like a fully
> patched/updated/upgraded Win95/Win98/Win98SE/WinMe
> collections of CDs for the future because I also have an
> (almost) 1-year-old that will be using the same software
> and it is only for Windows 3.1 or Window 95 (some of them).
> The "emulation mode" in XP and Vista have only been
> successful in some applications. But, not for games like
> that. So, I have to revert back to Win98 (at this point).

If I were you I'd just go to some garage sales or eBay and get a
$20 486 or PI for him/her, WITHOUT a modem, although it'd
probably be at least 2 years before s/he could figure out what
do with the modem...

I don't let ANYONE touch my computers, let alone a 1-year old
kid.
Cat hair in the keyboard is about all I am willing to put with


--
Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,
but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.
02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.
03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
gun.
04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.
05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3
hour orgy.
06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions
breakfast.
07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

 

[mm]

On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid>
wrote:

>=?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=
><BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:
>
>> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows
>> 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs
>> for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1 or Windows 95
>> only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get the
>> patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point
>> me in the right direction?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>
>You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to use some
>CD's.
>
>You only need them if you will be connecting to the Internet and
>using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.

That's what I thought, but why is it that MS is always releasing
"Security Updates" and Netscape, Firefox, Opera, etc. never do. At
most they release a "new version" every once in a while. Is that
where they include security changes, or do they just have fewer
vulnerabilities than MS products.
>
>Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from
>www.oldversion.com

I have firefox 2, but I suppose you think I should try this too,
right?

If you are inclined to email me
for some reason, remove NOPSAM

 

[mm]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:53:28 -0600, "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote:

>
>"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
>news:Xns9A18DA48E5349thanexit@66.250.146.158...
>> =?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=
>> <BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:
>>
>>> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows
>>> 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs
>>> for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1 or Windows 95
>>> only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get the
>>> patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point
>>> me in the right direction?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian
>>
>> You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to use some
>> CD's.
>>
>> You only need them if you will be connecting to the Internet and
>> using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.
>>
>
>That's quite true...
>
>but if you do want the updates for win98/ME...if the machine has IE6
>installed
>you can still gte them.
>
>It's simply that MS is no longer writing new updates

Yeah, that seems to be a new meaning for the word support, from the
point of view of those who were writing the updates. Now there seem
to be 2 meanings to the word support.
>


If you are inclined to email me
for some reason, remove NOPSAM

 

[buffalo rider]

Hi BMillikan ... I had a similar question about two days ago. Here is a copy
of a useful reply ... that can save you a lot of time. He has CDs with all
the patches and updates, sells for cost basically. Alternatively, you can
download the fixes yourself.

- Scott.



"BMillikan" wrote:

> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows 95, 98, 98SE &
> ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are
> Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get
> the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point me in the
> right direction?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
> --
> Brian Millikan
> Computer/Software Engineer
> Microsoft Control Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist / Hardware Driver
> Development / User-Level Hardware Device Interfaces
>

 

[buffalo rider]

oops, forgot to include the note. Here it is.
BTW ... the responders are right that you need to be running from a Windows
9x machine to get the catalog. Windows XP machines redirect and won't,
therefore, let you get to the catalog. Wierd.

Subject: Re: Updates for Windows 98 - where? 1/1/2008 12:10 PM PST

By: Gary S. Terhune



"BMillikan" wrote:

> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows 95, 98, 98SE &
> ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are
> Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get
> the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point me in the
> right direction?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
> --
> Brian Millikan
> Computer/Software Engineer
> Microsoft Control Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist / Hardware Driver
> Development / User-Level Hardware Device Interfaces
>

 

[Mike M]

Firefox regularly release updates or patches. For example 2.0.0.10
released late November addressed a bug in the open source browser's "jar:"
protocol handle, a memory corruption vulnerability, and a potential
cross-site scripting hazard

Netscape is unsupported and I'm sure Opera also release patches as and
when required.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> That's what I thought, but why is it that MS is always releasing
> "Security Updates" and Netscape, Firefox, Opera, etc. never do. At
> most they release a "new version" every once in a while. Is that
> where they include security changes, or do they just have fewer
> vulnerabilities than MS products.
>>
>> Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from
>> www.oldversion.com
>
> I have firefox 2, but I suppose you think I should try this too,
> right?

 

[buffalo rider]

hmmm . . . not my day. Here is the rest of the note from Gary ...

I have a two CD set I send to people that has all the Updates for Win98,
Win98SE and WinME. Write to me for instructions (I ask $3 to cover costs.)
The first CD is a copy of the Feb. 2004 Security Updates CD, and the second
contains all the rest of the updates after those ones.

Email: updates_at_grystmill.com

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com
***********************
"BMillikan" wrote:

> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows 95, 98, 98SE &
> ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are
> Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get
> the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point me in the
> right direction?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
> --
> Brian Millikan
> Computer/Software Engineer
> Microsoft Control Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist / Hardware Driver
> Development / User-Level Hardware Device Interfaces
>

 

[... et al.]

thanatoid wrote:

>
> Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from
> www.oldversion.com
>

At <http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=opera>:

....
Opera 7.03 (3.3 MB)
Opera 7.10 (3.2 MB)
Opera 7.11 (3.2 MB)
Opera 8.50 (3.6 MB)
Opera 8.51 (3.7 MB)
Opera 8.52 (3.6 MB)
....


eh?

Opera 8.50 and up is ad-free, but wasn't the 7.x versions still
ad-infested? Is 7.23 some special ad-free version?


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Please followup in the newsgroup.
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[N. Miller]

On 02 Jan 2008 19:56:21 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

> "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in
> news:gkltigc8okpe.dlg@msnews.aosake.net:

>> On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

>>> Use Opera 7.23...

>> Why? Opera 9.25 runs under Windows ME.

> It may "run" but it won't run as fast and will crash more on
> 98SE.

HP Pavilion 6745C (700MHz Intel Celeron processor, 192MB RAM, Windows ME).
HP Pavilion m7590n (1.2GHz Intel Dual core processor, 2GB RAM, Windows MCE
2005).

I have Opera 9.25 installed on both. I don't see any difference in speed
which isn't accounted for by the different processors. Reliability is the
same Opera 9.25 doesn't crash.

Check your hardware.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

 

[N. Miller]

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:07:24 -0500, mm wrote:

> That's what I thought, but why is it that MS is always releasing
> "Security Updates" and Netscape, Firefox, Opera, etc. never do.

The Mozilla Foundation (Firefox and SeaMonkey) frequently release security
updates. No security updates for Netscape, or the Mozilla browser suite,
though, because they are no longer even supported. Upgrade from those to
Firefox or SeaMonkey is recommended by the Mozilla Foundation.

Opera 9.25 is a security release Opera also releases security updates on a
regular basis.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

 

[C B]

"... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote:
> thanatoid wrote:
>
> >
> > Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from
> > www.oldversion.com
> >
>
> At <http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=opera>:
>
> ...
> Opera 7.03 (3.3 MB)
> Opera 7.10 (3.2 MB)
> Opera 7.11 (3.2 MB)
> Opera 8.50 (3.6 MB)
> Opera 8.51 (3.7 MB)
> Opera 8.52 (3.6 MB)
> ...
>
> eh?
>
> Opera 8.50 and up is ad-free, but wasn't the 7.x versions still
> ad-infested? Is 7.23 some special ad-free version?

Hello,
Just as a FYI, I run ver 8.51 on a P166 mmx, 3 gig machine with 98 SE.
It's fairly fast, bug free, with a lot of options. The only drawback is I
use Hotmail for my e-mail and it balks till I enter the password at least
twice. However, I think that's Bill's doing, not Opera.

Regards....
C.Bennett

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[thanatoid]

mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote in
newst1qn3lt1ajtojrbr4q7j730kpji8ghqkk@4ax.com:

> On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid
> <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
>
>>=?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=
>><BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:
>>
>>> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for
>>> Windows 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of
>>> learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1
>>> or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able
>>> to get the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can
>>> anyone point me in the right direction?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian
>>
>>You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to use
>>some CD's.
>>
>>You only need them if you will be connecting to the
>>Internet and using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.
>
> That's what I thought, but why is it that MS is always
> releasing "Security Updates" and Netscape, Firefox, Opera,
> etc. never do.

For the same reason that when you buy a well-written piece of
/specific/ software, like an image editing program, you don't
spend the next year having it crash all the time and having to
get fixes. The bigger the company, the more apt it is to release
crap just to get it out the door an make more money. That
statement probably applies more to MS than anyone else.

I have been using a Micrografx image editor (which had VERY
useful features several years before the industry standard - and
total overkill for everyone except serious professionals - Adobe
Photoshop) and they NEVER released any patches - why? Because
they wrote the software carefully and tested the hell out of it
before releasing it. The bad part is that they are dead. Corel
now sells what's left of their products. That's the sad fate of
people and companies who care more about quality than money.

Anyway, to make it shorter:
a) because MS is more concerned with money than with quality
b) because since it comes preinstalled and "free" on practically
every PC sold, most virus/malware writers target IE/OE as well
as Office.

> At most they release a "new version" every
> once in a while. Is that where they include security
> changes, or do they just have fewer vulnerabilities than MS
> products.

SOME people say that the "insecurities" are there because MS
works with the NSA and leaves them there intentionally,
therefore hackers etc. are doing people a favor by discovering
and exploiting those insecurities and forcing MS to make the
browser etc. more user-oriented than "otherwise". Think of that
what you will.

Others just say MS is simply terrible at writing software but
great at marketing, using /any/ tactics necessary. They have
thousands of pimply kids who have never talked to each other
coding their software and NO single person has ever gone through
every line of the code for Vista [and XP etc.] or Office because
it would take a lifetime.

So that's another reason why those programs are huge, buggy and
basically, CRAP. There are programs that fit on a floppy that do
everything an average user could ask for. Check out
www.tinyapps.org and be amazed.

>>Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from
>>www.oldversion.com
>
> I have firefox 2, but I suppose you think I should try this
> too, right?

I have said it so often I should just make it my sig. By the
time you install all the ad-ons and plugins for Firefox, it's
almost as big, bloated, and vulnerable as IE/OE. I tried it and
found it EXTREMELY disappointing. I don't know WHY Opera isn't
more popular. It is so superior to ANY of the other full-
featured browsers and they are the quickest at fixing whatever
minor security problems arise (SOME of the web dangers affect
ALL internet programs, not just IE/OE).


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Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,
but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.
02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.
03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
gun.
04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.
05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3
hour orgy.
06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions
breakfast.
07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.