Russian programs in Windows Vista

[Georgy]

Hi!
Does anybody know how to make Russian programms work in english version of
Windows Vista? I've just installed one program, and it doesn't appear
correct. Instead of Russian language there is something ureadable, like
"?????? ????? ???????????" instead of words. What can I do with this? I need
this program and they don't have an English version of it! I have a Vista
Home Premium edition.
Thank you!
Georgy

 

[Quaker]

In the control panel, there's a region and language option.
Open it and you can find a manage tab.
Change the non unicode settings to Russian may be helps. I hope so.

"Georgy" wrote:

> Hi!
> Does anybody know how to make Russian programms work in english version of
> Windows Vista? I've just installed one program, and it doesn't appear
> correct. Instead of Russian language there is something ureadable, like
> "?????? ????? ???????????" instead of words. What can I do with this? I need
> this program and they don't have an English version of it! I have a Vista
> Home Premium edition.
> Thank you!
> Georgy

 

[Richard G. Harper]

You can't make non-English programs work in an English copy of Vista, and
Home Premium does not allow you to change the installed language. It simply
won't work.

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"Georgy" <Georgy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B77A08FC-D1DE-4531-9CEA-BDE80AF93025@microsoft.com...
> Hi!
> Does anybody know how to make Russian programms work in english version of
> Windows Vista? I've just installed one program, and it doesn't appear
> correct. Instead of Russian language there is something ureadable, like
> "?????? ????? ???????????" instead of words. What can I do with this? I
> need
> this program and they don't have an English version of it! I have a Vista
> Home Premium edition.
> Thank you!
> Georgy

 

[Ian Betts]

What do you mean it wont let you. Of course you can change the settings for
language of choice for your computer display and keyboard and all your
system locals in Control Panel/ Regional and Language Options. You will of
course need to get a Russian spell checker etc but otherwise it should be a
go. How else would they sell to multi lingual countries.



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Ian

"Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
news:OKscsDryHHA.988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> You can't make non-English programs work in an English copy of Vista, and
> Home Premium does not allow you to change the installed language. It
> simply won't work.
>
> --
> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
> * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
> * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
> * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Georgy" <Georgy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B77A08FC-D1DE-4531-9CEA-BDE80AF93025@microsoft.com...
>> Hi!
>> Does anybody know how to make Russian programms work in english version
>> of
>> Windows Vista? I've just installed one program, and it doesn't appear
>> correct. Instead of Russian language there is something ureadable, like
>> "?????? ????? ???????????" instead of words. What can I do with this? I
>> need
>> this program and they don't have an English version of it! I have a Vista
>> Home Premium edition.
>> Thank you!
>> Georgy
>
>

 

[Ian Betts]

I did not man that Russian written software would work because the software
could not read it.

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"Georgy" <Georgy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B77A08FC-D1DE-4531-9CEA-BDE80AF93025@microsoft.com...
> Hi!
> Does anybody know how to make Russian programms work in english version of
> Windows Vista? I've just installed one program, and it doesn't appear
> correct. Instead of Russian language there is something ureadable, like
> "?????? ????? ???????????" instead of words. What can I do with this? I
> need
> this program and they don't have an English version of it! I have a Vista
> Home Premium edition.
> Thank you!
> Georgy
>

 

[Peter Foldes]

Ian

Richard is correct on this. You are not able to run any foreign language programs that is proprietary in the language that it is written in on Vista especially on Home Premium

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"Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net> wrote in message news:14C3B82B-C16A-437B-A4F9-768153205E8E@microsoft.com...
> What do you mean it wont let you. Of course you can change the settings for
> language of choice for your computer display and keyboard and all your
> system locals in Control Panel/ Regional and Language Options. You will of
> course need to get a Russian spell checker etc but otherwise it should be a
> go. How else would they sell to multi lingual countries.
>
>
>
> --
> Ian
>
> "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
> news:OKscsDryHHA.988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> You can't make non-English programs work in an English copy of Vista, and
>> Home Premium does not allow you to change the installed language. It
>> simply won't work.
>>
>> --
>> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
>> * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
>> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
>> * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
>> * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>> "Georgy" <Georgy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:B77A08FC-D1DE-4531-9CEA-BDE80AF93025@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi!
>>> Does anybody know how to make Russian programms work in english version
>>> of
>>> Windows Vista? I've just installed one program, and it doesn't appear
>>> correct. Instead of Russian language there is something ureadable, like
>>> "?????? ????? ???????????" instead of words. What can I do with this? I
>>> need
>>> this program and they don't have an English version of it! I have a Vista
>>> Home Premium edition.
>>> Thank you!
>>> Georgy
>>
>>

 

[Andrew McLaren]

"Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote ...
> You can't make non-English programs work in an English copy of Vista, and
> Home Premium does not allow you to change the installed language. It
> simply won't work.

Respectfully, I have to disagree. All editions of Vista contain a large set
of code pages and NLS files, to cope with many multi-lingual situations.
Check out the list of *.NLS files in System32 directory. Even EBCDIC is
supported out-of-the-box, so you can take a mainframe text file and open it
in Vista (as long as your text editor can access Windows' EBCDIC code page).

What is limited in Vista Home edition is the interface language used by
Windows itself. If you have an English language Windows, all of Windows own
menus and dialogues will appear in English. But you could take - for
example - a German version of Office and install it on English Windows. All
the Windows menuus appear in English and all the Office menus appear in
German.

The problem for Georgy, the original poster, is whether his Russian language
application can use the Russian code page resources in Windows. It sounds
like the app
is displaying Western ANSI in lieu of Cyrillic. Many apps will just accept
whatever the system codepage is, and not try to impose any of their own code
page handling (they assume the OS will supply teh correct code page). So if
the system code page is in say, ISO-8859-1,
the app will attempt to display text using that code page. But it is open
to an application to deliberately select its own code page, and display text
in any language/script it wants (no matter what language Windows uses
for its own UI).

As a couple of other posters have mentioned, Georgy needs to go to Control
Panel, Regional Settings, and the do at leat one, maybe two things:

- under "Change keyboards or other Input methods", add a Russian keyboard,
so he can type Cyrillic text in his application
- unde Administrative, Change System Locale, change the default language for
non-Unicode programs to Russian.

Of course with a fully Unicode-enabled program, a large part of the problem
goes away! But we are still waiting for Unicode to be pervasive.

Cheers,
--
Andrew McLaren
amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au

 

[Andrew McLaren]

"Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote ...

> Richard is correct on this. You are not able to run any foreign language
> programs that is proprietary in the language that it is written in on
> Vista
> especially on Home Premium

Hey guys ...

Again, I have to respectfully disagree. You can run applications in many
different languages on *any* edition of Vista, including Home.

As a reality-check, I just installed a Japanese copy of Office 2007 onto
Vista Home Premium (English). It runs fine - in Japanese! I can't make much
head-nor-tail of it, because I don't speak Japanese But certainly, all
the Kanji/Hirigana etc writing is appearing in menus, in documents, etc. By
configuring a Japanese keyboard I can also enter Japanese text into a Word
document.

I can email a screen shot to anyone interested.

I'm more than 100% sure the Russian version of Office will work exactly the
same way on English-language Vista. Many times in the past I have installed
German-language Office on English-language Windows, and it worked without
any major problems.

In Vista Home Editon, you cannot install additional MUI languages - that
part is correct. The MUI determines the language which Windows will use, to
display its own resources - menus, dialogues etc. It does *not* put any kind
of limit on the languages which can be used by application programs running
on Windows. These are two different concepts (admitedly, easily confused).

Office controls its own code-page settings. OP Georgy has a an app which,
unlike Office, does not appear to control its own code page. Non-Unicode
applications, which do not explicitly override the system's default code
page, will display their data in the system's default code page. For most
English languge versions, that's going to be ANSI or ISO-8859. As Ian Betts
correctly noted, you can go into Control Panel, Regional Settings, and
change the default code page for non-Unicode programs. Again, I just did
this in Vista Home Premium edition, to make sure I'm not talking crap. I
don't have a single-byte Russian app to test it with, But I'm fairly sure
such an app will display Cyrillic characters. The underlying c_866.NLS file
(etc) is certainly present on Vista Home edition.

If OP Georgy changes his settings in Control Panel to support Russian
codepage, I believe his application will work correctly - in Russian - on
English-language Vista.

Apologies for being a bit pedantic and insistent about this, but ... the
guys in this thread are some of the more grown-up, responsible regulars in
this newsgroup. So we have a special responsibility (IMHO) to give accurate
technical advice.

Anyway, we should kill off the incorrect rumour that Vista Home Edition has
limited multilingual abilities. Vista has excellent multilingual ablities,
in all editions! Unfortunately Vista Home cannot handle multiple Windows
MUIs (just a petty marketing limitation, by Microsoft) but otherwise it is
world-ready.

Best regards,
--
Andrew McLaren
amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au