FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmail...

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jjoensuu

Found this article that talks about a piece of spyware called "cipav",
used by none less than the FBI. According to the article the
organization is able to get this piece of spyware installed through
the target users gmail and myspace accounts.

Check for example this link:
http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20070719/cipav/

or this:
http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/92950

Would not surprise me if it was possible to accomplish this through
yahoo and hotmail as well. Most likely all large U.S. corporations are
in bed with 'who-ever-may-now-be-in-charge', just as various
corporations provided silent support for Hitlers atrocities during
WWII. Probably part of the reason as to why yahoo recently removed
their email storage meter-P

Some months ago it was in the news that google did not want to give
out information about its users search queries to the government. At
least they did not deny collecting data, which they do (because it is
'big business').

Better to use other search engines (like perhaps clusty?) if you care
about privacy, or disable java* technologies and cookies while using
yahoo or google...
 
M

Malke

jjoensuu wrote:
> Found this article that talks about a piece of spyware called "cipav",
> used by none less than the FBI. According to the article the
> organization is able to get this piece of spyware installed through
> the target users gmail and myspace accounts.

(snip conspiracy theory)

Just for you:

http://zapatopi.net/


Malke
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www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
 
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James Matthews

I don't know... There is a slashdot about this
http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/07/19/2335251.shtml

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http://www.goldwatches.com/watches.asp?Brand=14
"Malke" <notreally@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:ObyMoHuyHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> jjoensuu wrote:
>> Found this article that talks about a piece of spyware called "cipav",
>> used by none less than the FBI. According to the article the
>> organization is able to get this piece of spyware installed through
>> the target users gmail and myspace accounts.
>
> (snip conspiracy theory)
>
> Just for you:
>
> http://zapatopi.net/
>
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>
 
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Milo (MSPSS)

Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai

It is possible that a regular person out on the corner town in the former
USSR, or so china regulate the web has the power to create one why not the
Federal Govt. themselves to help them locate and create a case against a
known criminal.

the equivalent name to the consipiracy theory of such was once brought out
on a black hat convention.

--
Milo
MSPSS


"James Matthews" wrote:

> I don't know... There is a slashdot about this
> http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/07/19/2335251.shtml
>
> --
>
> http://www.goldwatches.com/watches.asp?Brand=14
> "Malke" <notreally@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ObyMoHuyHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> > jjoensuu wrote:
> >> Found this article that talks about a piece of spyware called "cipav",
> >> used by none less than the FBI. According to the article the
> >> organization is able to get this piece of spyware installed through
> >> the target users gmail and myspace accounts.
> >
> > (snip conspiracy theory)
> >
> > Just for you:
> >
> > http://zapatopi.net/
> >
> >
> > Malke
> > --
> > Elephant Boy Computers
> > www.elephantboycomputers.com
> > "Don't Panic!"
> > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
> >
>
 
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Roger Abell [MVP]

Sure, but is not a discussion of cipav, carnivore, magic lantern, etc.
more appropriately posted to a "what has become of US society/ideals"
newsgroup ? After all, you are not likely to find people who know and
are willing to post any actual details of how these function in security
newsgroups.


"jjoensuu" <j_joensuu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1184942248.686333.110310@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Found this article that talks about a piece of spyware called "cipav",
> used by none less than the FBI. According to the article the
> organization is able to get this piece of spyware installed through
> the target users gmail and myspace accounts.
>
> Check for example this link:
> http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20070719/cipav/
>
> or this:
> http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/92950
>
> Would not surprise me if it was possible to accomplish this through
> yahoo and hotmail as well. Most likely all large U.S. corporations are
> in bed with 'who-ever-may-now-be-in-charge', just as various
> corporations provided silent support for Hitlers atrocities during
> WWII. Probably part of the reason as to why yahoo recently removed
> their email storage meter-P
>
> Some months ago it was in the news that google did not want to give
> out information about its users search queries to the government. At
> least they did not deny collecting data, which they do (because it is
> 'big business').
>
> Better to use other search engines (like perhaps clusty?) if you care
> about privacy, or disable java* technologies and cookies while using
> yahoo or google...
>
 
S

S. Pidgorny

Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai

G'day:

"Milo (MSPSS)" <v-4jpaca@mssupport.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D05B49B4-A4D2-42FD-A71E-EEA09F0EBE00@microsoft.com...
> It is possible that a regular person out on the corner town in the former
> USSR, or so china regulate the web has the power to create one why not
> the
> Federal Govt. themselves to help them locate and create a case against a
> known criminal.

You mean, a known suspect? Many resons. The evidence will be thrown out by
the court. The government will need a remote exploit, which is not always
available. And so on.


--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

* http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
 
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S. Pidgorny

Hi Roger:

"Roger Abell [MVP]" <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:%23U%23FLn1yHHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Sure, but is not a discussion of cipav, carnivore, magic lantern, etc.
> more appropriately posted to a "what has become of US society/ideals"
> newsgroup ? After all, you are not likely to find people who know and
> are willing to post any actual details of how these function in security
> newsgroups.

There are many people who are willing to post details about any kind of
spyware in these newsgroups. Alas, in this case there's not much substance
to post details about, and not likely there's going to be.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

* http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
 
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Ian

Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai

"S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:

> There are many people who are willing to post details about any kind of
> spyware in these newsgroups. Alas, in this case there's not much substance
> to post details about, and not likely there's going to be.

True, but Confucius say, "Man use Internet Explorer.. Computer sprout
strange processes in Task Manager."

Wise man go to: http://mozilla.com
 
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Roger Abell [MVP]

Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai

"Ian" <Ian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E92B38E2-295B-43CC-8D3F-426E90755807@microsoft.com...
> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
>
>> There are many people who are willing to post details about any kind of
>> spyware in these newsgroups. Alas, in this case there's not much
>> substance
>> to post details about, and not likely there's going to be.
>
> True, but Confucius say, "Man use Internet Explorer.. Computer sprout
> strange processes in Task Manager."
>
> Wise man go to: http://mozilla.com
>
>

Hmmm. Previously I had considered Confusius as quite wisened,
not finding sayings contrary to my experiences. Now I must reconsider.
Actually, it is a matter of whose hands the brower client (any version)
is in, both for maintanance and use.

Roger
 
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Wildangel

Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai

I have a question for you? How would or do you find out if anybody has hacked
into your system? Not installing viruses or maybe they are, but are veiwing
your files & documents, or just messing with your computer alittle? So things
mess up here and there? Can anybody help me find out?
Thank You in advance,
Sandy
wildangells17@hotmail.com

"Ian" wrote:

> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
>
> > There are many people who are willing to post details about any kind of
> > spyware in these newsgroups. Alas, in this case there's not much substance
> > to post details about, and not likely there's going to be.
>
> True, but Confucius say, "Man use Internet Explorer.. Computer sprout
> strange processes in Task Manager."
>
> Wise man go to: http://mozilla.com
>
>
 
W

Wildangel

Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai

I was wondering if anyone knew how to tell if their computer has been hacked
into? Either if someone is just looking at your files or if they are messing
with your system? not the FBI but a hacker in general. Where can you check on
your computer?
Thanks in advance,
Sandy
wildangells17@hotmail.com

"Ian" wrote:

> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
>
> > There are many people who are willing to post details about any kind of
> > spyware in these newsgroups. Alas, in this case there's not much substance
> > to post details about, and not likely there's going to be.
>
> True, but Confucius say, "Man use Internet Explorer.. Computer sprout
> strange processes in Task Manager."
>
> Wise man go to: http://mozilla.com
>
>
 
S

S. Pidgorny

Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai

G'day,

To get unauthorised access to your information the intruder has to either
modify your system (by installing a virus, or a rootkit, or another piece of
spyware) or have legitimate access credentials. So you know that your system
is "hacked" if it is running code that you didn't put on the system or
there is activity on the system when legit users aren't supposed to do
anything (like, CFO is holidaymaking in North Korea and accessing accounts
at the same time).

This is not an easy question - a multibillion dollar industry is trying to
come up with automated ways of detecting intrusions without much success -
when it comes to targeted intrusions.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

* http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *

"Wildangel" <Wildangel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:054AA96B-5BF2-4557-AB0A-856C52D15B91@microsoft.com...
>I have a question for you? How would or do you find out if anybody has
>hacked
> into your system? Not installing viruses or maybe they are, but are
> veiwing
> your files & documents, or just messing with your computer alittle? So
> things
> mess up here and there? Can anybody help me find out?
> Thank You in advance,
> Sandy
 
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Roger Abell [MVP]

Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai

"Wildangel" <Wildangel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E16A8F5C-F6FA-4305-B712-0F4D95BC4E4B@microsoft.com...
>I was wondering if anyone knew how to tell if their computer has been
>hacked
> into? Either if someone is just looking at your files or if they are
> messing
> with your system? not the FBI but a hacker in general. Where can you check
> on
> your computer?

Sandy

In this day and age one really has to look everywhere, including
disk image, process, and memory. While easy to ask, what you
are after can be very difficult to do.

It is like being at a beach and someone saying to you
"There is not one single grain of sand that is blue on this beach".
What must you do to tell if they say the truth?

Roger

> "Ian" wrote:
>
>> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
>>
>> > There are many people who are willing to post details about any kind of
>> > spyware in these newsgroups. Alas, in this case there's not much
>> > substance
>> > to post details about, and not likely there's going to be.
>>
>> True, but Confucius say, "Man use Internet Explorer.. Computer sprout
>> strange processes in Task Manager."
>>
>> Wise man go to: http://mozilla.com
>>
>>
 
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jayjwa

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:37:28 -0700, jjoensuu wrote:

> Found this article that talks about a piece of spyware called "cipav",
> used by none less than the FBI. According to the article the
> organization is able to get this piece of spyware installed through
> the target users gmail and myspace accounts.
>
> Check for example this link:
> http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20070719/cipav/
>
> or this:
> http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/92950

No one is watching the watchman he runs amok when he chooses. Nothing in
that affidavit mentions hacking the suspect's computer, installing
software on it against the wishes of the rightful owner, modifing its
contents (which simply installing it will do), nor the use of spyware.

My government sickens me. They are not of me, they are not for me. Day by
day I am closer to renouncing US citizenship and moving overseas (where I
should have stayed when I was there.)


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