Dang XP anyway...

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dadiOH

I need to set up a Win98/XP dual boot, gotta buy an XP version. I
have no need for the extended features of XP Pro so it will be XP
Home. I am sure this has been answered before so please forgive my
questions...

1. Since I have Win98, can WinXP Home UPGRADE be used for a clean
(total) install to a different, primary, active partition (on the same
drive)?

2. Any advantage one way or the other of an upgrade version vs
non-upgrade OEM version?

My main concern at the moment is whether to purchase an upgrade or OEM
version. Full retail is out of the running.

Thanks.

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philo

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
news:eZt7bojUIHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> I need to set up a Win98/XP dual boot, gotta buy an XP version. I
> have no need for the extended features of XP Pro so it will be XP
> Home. I am sure this has been answered before so please forgive my
> questions...
>
> 1. Since I have Win98, can WinXP Home UPGRADE be used for a clean
> (total) install to a different, primary, active partition (on the same
> drive)?
>
> 2. Any advantage one way or the other of an upgrade version vs
> non-upgrade OEM version?
>
> My main concern at the moment is whether to purchase an upgrade or OEM
> version. Full retail is out of the running.
>
> Thanks.



You definately can use an XP upgrade CD and perform a clean install.
Just install XP on the 2nd partition and you should be all set.
Though the installer should detect your existing win98 installation...
it's possible for it to ask for a qualifying product...
at that point, you'd feed it the win98 cd.

I think the statndard XP home upgrade cd would be the best and lowest priced
option.

BTW: I used win98 for years...but now use Win2k, XP and Linux.
I consider all of them much better than win98 !
 
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Gary S. Terhune

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
news:eZt7bojUIHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I need to set up a Win98/XP dual boot, gotta buy an XP version. I
> have no need for the extended features of XP Pro so it will be XP
> Home. I am sure this has been answered before so please forgive my
> questions...
>
> 1. Since I have Win98, can WinXP Home UPGRADE be used for a clean
> (total) install to a different, primary, active partition (on the same
> drive)?

Yes, absolutely, if you have a standard installation CD for Win98, retail or
"OEM". If you don't have such a disk, as philo says, it may or may not
detect the Win98 installation and allow the XP install to proceed.
Personally, I wouldn't want the XP installer to even see the Win98
partition, but I do things using BootIt NG and hiding partitions from each
other to avoid massive confusion (to me AND to the various operatiing
systems.)

> 2. Any advantage one way or the other of an upgrade version vs
> non-upgrade OEM version?

Just the obvious one -- the latter can be clean installed with no need for
an eligibility verification.

> My main concern at the moment is whether to purchase an upgrade or OEM
> version. Full retail is out of the running.

I'd want the OEM, not the Upgrade, but in your case if the price is hugely
different, and you have an actual installation CD for Win98 that can be used
for eligibility, the Upgrade is OK. Of course, I'd never buy Home Edition,
anyway. I've seen too many times when people wish they hadn't skimped on
that one.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com
 
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dadiOH

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
> news:eZt7bojUIHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> I need to set up a Win98/XP dual boot, gotta buy an XP version. I
>> have no need for the extended features of XP Pro so it will be XP
>> Home. I am sure this has been answered before so please forgive my
>> questions...
>>
>> 1. Since I have Win98, can WinXP Home UPGRADE be used for a clean
>> (total) install to a different, primary, active partition (on the
>> same drive)?
>
> Yes, absolutely, if you have a standard installation CD for Win98,
> retail or "OEM". If you don't have such a disk, as philo says, it
> may or may not detect the Win98 installation and allow the XP
> install to proceed. Personally, I wouldn't want the XP installer to
> even see the Win98 partition, but I do things using BootIt NG and
> hiding partitions from each other to avoid massive confusion (to me
> AND to the various operatiing systems.)
>
>> 2. Any advantage one way or the other of an upgrade version vs
>> non-upgrade OEM version?
>
> Just the obvious one -- the latter can be clean installed with no
> need for an eligibility verification.
>
>> My main concern at the moment is whether to purchase an upgrade or
>> OEM version. Full retail is out of the running.
>
> I'd want the OEM, not the Upgrade, but in your case if the price is
> hugely different, and you have an actual installation CD for Win98
> that can be used for eligibility, the Upgrade is OK. Of course, I'd
> never buy Home Edition, anyway. I've seen too many times when
> people wish they hadn't skimped on that one.

Price is about the same and my original inclination was the OEM (my
Win98 is OEM). However, this disclaimer at Newegg for the OEM gave me
pause...

"Disclaimer: Qualifying proof of purchase must be recent receipts
showing the purchase of a mother board, hard drive, RAM and a CPU.
The components can be on multiple receipts not necessarily all on one
receipt nor on the same receipt as the qualifying Windows XP/Office
2003 that you purchased."

I'm not sure what they are talking about. Does MS require the
receipts to activate the install? If so, OEM is out...I built my
system and have receipts but they sure aren't recent.

Regarding home vs pro, I've looked at the feature comparisons and
don't see any extras in pro that make me yearn for it. Anything in
particular that people wish they had after the fact?


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____________________________

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....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
 
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dadiOH

philo wrote:
> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
> news:eZt7bojUIHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> I need to set up a Win98/XP dual boot, gotta buy an XP version. I
>> have no need for the extended features of XP Pro so it will be XP
>> Home. I am sure this has been answered before so please forgive my
>> questions...
>>
>> 1. Since I have Win98, can WinXP Home UPGRADE be used for a clean
>> (total) install to a different, primary, active partition (on the
>> same drive)?
>>
>> 2. Any advantage one way or the other of an upgrade version vs
>> non-upgrade OEM version?
>>
>> My main concern at the moment is whether to purchase an upgrade or
>> OEM version. Full retail is out of the running.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>
>
> You definately can use an XP upgrade CD and perform a clean install.
> Just install XP on the 2nd partition and you should be all set.
> Though the installer should detect your existing win98
> installation...
> it's possible for it to ask for a qualifying product...
> at that point, you'd feed it the win98 cd.
>
> I think the statndard XP home upgrade cd would be the best and
> lowest priced option.
>
> BTW: I used win98 for years...but now use Win2k, XP and Linux.
> I consider all of them much better than win98 !

Thanks for your input. It is appreciated.

--

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____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
 
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Lil' Dave

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
news:eZt7bojUIHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I need to set up a Win98/XP dual boot, gotta buy an XP version. I
> have no need for the extended features of XP Pro so it will be XP
> Home. I am sure this has been answered before so please forgive my
> questions...
>
> 1. Since I have Win98, can WinXP Home UPGRADE be used for a clean
> (total) install to a different, primary, active partition (on the same
> drive)?
>
> 2. Any advantage one way or the other of an upgrade version vs
> non-upgrade OEM version?
>
> My main concern at the moment is whether to purchase an upgrade or OEM
> version. Full retail is out of the running.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
>
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
>

This the way I do it, and you will need 3rd party software.

Assuming you have adequate freespace, (3rd party software) hide the 98
partition. Recommend 20GB minimum with a few apps installed for XP. I use
the generic OEM XP installation bootable CD for installation purposes.
Install hardware drivers as needed afterwards.

When satisfied with the install, using 3rd party software, install a boot
manager. I'm using System Commander circa 2002 as an example. Hide the
operating system partition that you're not booting from.
Dave
 
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Lil' Dave

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
news:urY1ywqUIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:eZt7bojUIHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> I need to set up a Win98/XP dual boot, gotta buy an XP version. I
>>> have no need for the extended features of XP Pro so it will be XP
>>> Home. I am sure this has been answered before so please forgive my
>>> questions...
>>>
>>> 1. Since I have Win98, can WinXP Home UPGRADE be used for a clean
>>> (total) install to a different, primary, active partition (on the
>>> same drive)?
>>
>> Yes, absolutely, if you have a standard installation CD for Win98,
>> retail or "OEM". If you don't have such a disk, as philo says, it
>> may or may not detect the Win98 installation and allow the XP
>> install to proceed. Personally, I wouldn't want the XP installer to
>> even see the Win98 partition, but I do things using BootIt NG and
>> hiding partitions from each other to avoid massive confusion (to me
>> AND to the various operatiing systems.)
>>
>>> 2. Any advantage one way or the other of an upgrade version vs
>>> non-upgrade OEM version?
>>
>> Just the obvious one -- the latter can be clean installed with no
>> need for an eligibility verification.
>>
>>> My main concern at the moment is whether to purchase an upgrade or
>>> OEM version. Full retail is out of the running.
>>
>> I'd want the OEM, not the Upgrade, but in your case if the price is
>> hugely different, and you have an actual installation CD for Win98
>> that can be used for eligibility, the Upgrade is OK. Of course, I'd
>> never buy Home Edition, anyway. I've seen too many times when
>> people wish they hadn't skimped on that one.
>
> Price is about the same and my original inclination was the OEM (my
> Win98 is OEM). However, this disclaimer at Newegg for the OEM gave me
> pause...
>
> "Disclaimer: Qualifying proof of purchase must be recent receipts
> showing the purchase of a mother board, hard drive, RAM and a CPU.
> The components can be on multiple receipts not necessarily all on one
> receipt nor on the same receipt as the qualifying Windows XP/Office
> 2003 that you purchased."
>
> I'm not sure what they are talking about. Does MS require the
> receipts to activate the install? If so, OEM is out...I built my
> system and have receipts but they sure aren't recent.
>
> Regarding home vs pro, I've looked at the feature comparisons and
> don't see any extras in pro that make me yearn for it. Anything in
> particular that people wish they had after the fact?
>
>
> --
>
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
>
>

The generic OEM installation, like other windows products requires a product
key. This comes with the installation CD. The activation, which occurs
after the installation within a 30 day period, does not require anything but
your approval to do so, and an internet connection. Else, the 1-800 number
that will come up if not found.

Purchase of a generic OEM MS operating systems licensed CD has been a normal
requirement of simultaneous purchase of certain hardware. Has nothing to do
with activation.

If you're the only one using the PC and safe from prying eyes at its
location, go for Home Edition w/SP2.
Dave
 
D

dadiOH

dadiOH wrote:
> I need to set up a Win98/XP dual boot, gotta buy an XP version. I
> have no need for the extended features of XP Pro so it will be XP
> Home. I am sure this has been answered before so please forgive my
> questions...
>
> 1. Since I have Win98, can WinXP Home UPGRADE be used for a clean
> (total) install to a different, primary, active partition (on the
> same drive)?
>
> 2. Any advantage one way or the other of an upgrade version vs
> non-upgrade OEM version?
>
> My main concern at the moment is whether to purchase an upgrade or
> OEM version. Full retail is out of the running.

I went with Win XP home, OEM. My thanks to all of you :)



--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

"OEM" versions (going way back) technically require that you purchase them
only as bundled items with new computers. That general requirement has
since been parsed to include certain individual pieces of hardware, that
parsing has been taken to ridiculous extents, and in the end, nobody really
pays any attention to it at the retail level. The chances of anyone asking
you to prove you are in compliance are nil unless, possibly, you tried to
avail yourself of Microsoft Support. It has no technical impact.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
news:urY1ywqUIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:eZt7bojUIHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> I need to set up a Win98/XP dual boot, gotta buy an XP version. I
>>> have no need for the extended features of XP Pro so it will be XP
>>> Home. I am sure this has been answered before so please forgive my
>>> questions...
>>>
>>> 1. Since I have Win98, can WinXP Home UPGRADE be used for a clean
>>> (total) install to a different, primary, active partition (on the
>>> same drive)?
>>
>> Yes, absolutely, if you have a standard installation CD for Win98,
>> retail or "OEM". If you don't have such a disk, as philo says, it
>> may or may not detect the Win98 installation and allow the XP
>> install to proceed. Personally, I wouldn't want the XP installer to
>> even see the Win98 partition, but I do things using BootIt NG and
>> hiding partitions from each other to avoid massive confusion (to me
>> AND to the various operatiing systems.)
>>
>>> 2. Any advantage one way or the other of an upgrade version vs
>>> non-upgrade OEM version?
>>
>> Just the obvious one -- the latter can be clean installed with no
>> need for an eligibility verification.
>>
>>> My main concern at the moment is whether to purchase an upgrade or
>>> OEM version. Full retail is out of the running.
>>
>> I'd want the OEM, not the Upgrade, but in your case if the price is
>> hugely different, and you have an actual installation CD for Win98
>> that can be used for eligibility, the Upgrade is OK. Of course, I'd
>> never buy Home Edition, anyway. I've seen too many times when
>> people wish they hadn't skimped on that one.
>
> Price is about the same and my original inclination was the OEM (my
> Win98 is OEM). However, this disclaimer at Newegg for the OEM gave me
> pause...
>
> "Disclaimer: Qualifying proof of purchase must be recent receipts
> showing the purchase of a mother board, hard drive, RAM and a CPU.
> The components can be on multiple receipts not necessarily all on one
> receipt nor on the same receipt as the qualifying Windows XP/Office
> 2003 that you purchased."
>
> I'm not sure what they are talking about. Does MS require the
> receipts to activate the install? If so, OEM is out...I built my
> system and have receipts but they sure aren't recent.
>
> Regarding home vs pro, I've looked at the feature comparisons and
> don't see any extras in pro that make me yearn for it. Anything in
> particular that people wish they had after the fact?
>
>
> --
>
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
>
>
 
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philo

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
news:%23WpSZRvUIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> dadiOH wrote:
> > I need to set up a Win98/XP dual boot, gotta buy an XP version. I
> > have no need for the extended features of XP Pro so it will be XP
> > Home. I am sure this has been answered before so please forgive my
> > questions...
> >
> > 1. Since I have Win98, can WinXP Home UPGRADE be used for a clean
> > (total) install to a different, primary, active partition (on the
> > same drive)?
> >
> > 2. Any advantage one way or the other of an upgrade version vs
> > non-upgrade OEM version?
> >
> > My main concern at the moment is whether to purchase an upgrade or
> > OEM version. Full retail is out of the running.
>
> I went with Win XP home, OEM. My thanks to all of you :)
>
>
>


Great...welcome to the 20th century <G> !!!!!
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Ummm, this is the 21st century, <s>.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
> news:%23WpSZRvUIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> dadiOH wrote:
>> > I need to set up a Win98/XP dual boot, gotta buy an XP version. I
>> > have no need for the extended features of XP Pro so it will be XP
>> > Home. I am sure this has been answered before so please forgive my
>> > questions...
>> >
>> > 1. Since I have Win98, can WinXP Home UPGRADE be used for a clean
>> > (total) install to a different, primary, active partition (on the
>> > same drive)?
>> >
>> > 2. Any advantage one way or the other of an upgrade version vs
>> > non-upgrade OEM version?
>> >
>> > My main concern at the moment is whether to purchase an upgrade or
>> > OEM version. Full retail is out of the running.
>>
>> I went with Win XP home, OEM. My thanks to all of you :)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Great...welcome to the 20th century <G> !!!!!
>
>
 
J

John John

Philo must have gotten the Y2K bug... he lost a century.

John

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> Ummm, this is the 21st century, <s>.
>
 
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philo

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:OCEyHrwUIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Philo must have gotten the Y2K bug... he lost a century.
>
> John
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>
> > Ummm, this is the 21st century, <s>.
> >


In my case I was just entering the 20th century...when the 21st got here <G>
 
D

dadiOH

Naaa...he was just longing for the good ol' times :)

Me too...

dadiOH
____________

John John wrote:
> Philo must have gotten the Y2K bug... he lost a century.
>
> John
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>
>> Ummm, this is the 21st century, <s>.
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Ah, that explains it.

--
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MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
> news:OCEyHrwUIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Philo must have gotten the Y2K bug... he lost a century.
>>
>> John
>>
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>
>> > Ummm, this is the 21st century, <s>.
>> >
>
>
> In my case I was just entering the 20th century...when the 21st got here
> <G>
>
>
 
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PCR

philo wrote:
| "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
| news:OCEyHrwUIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> Philo must have gotten the Y2K bug... he lost a century.
|>
|> John
|>
|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|>
|> > Ummm, this is the 21st century, <s>.
|> >
|
|
| In my case I was just entering the 20th century...when the 21st got
| here <G>

The 20th century is far enough! Stay where you are!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
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