Device Manager, no Monitors branch

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Roger R

WIN98SE on Desktop.
Running only in Safe Mode.

Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch.
So I can't install a monitor.
How can this be restored?

I seem to recollect a post detailing how this might be achived by extracting
the necessary files from the WIN98SE disk, but can't now find it.

Any ideas?

Roger R
 
P

philo

"Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net...
> WIN98SE on Desktop.
> Running only in Safe Mode.
>
> Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch.
> So I can't install a monitor.
> How can this be restored?
>
> I seem to recollect a post detailing how this might be achived by
extracting
> the necessary files from the WIN98SE disk, but can't now find it.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Roger R
>
>
>


You do not need to install a monitor...
windows would normally install it as a default monitor and that's good
enough.

Now if you meant instead...you video card...that does of course require the
proper drivers
 
M

MEB

"Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net...
| WIN98SE on Desktop.
| Running only in Safe Mode.
|
| Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch.
| So I can't install a monitor.
| How can this be restored?
|
| I seem to recollect a post detailing how this might be achived by
extracting
| the necessary files from the WIN98SE disk, but can't now find it.
|
| Any ideas?
|
| Roger R
|
|

You might try run Find New Hardware in Control Panel.
You should have at least a default monitor showing, but preferably the
actual monitor which you are using so you can apply any additional settings
that might be available.

Also check your system.ini file [run sysedit from the run box], it should
look something like this:

[boot]
oemfonts.fon=vgaoem.fon
system.drv=system.drv
drivers=mmsystem.dll power.drv
shell=Explorer.exe
user.exe=user.exe
gdi.exe=gdi.exe
sound.drv=mmsound.drv
dibeng.drv=dibeng.dll
comm.drv=comm.drv
mouse.drv=lmouse.drv
keyboard.drv=keyboard.drv
*DisplayFallback=0
fonts.fon=vgasys.fon
fixedfon.fon=vgafix.fon
386Grabber=vgafull.3gr
display.drv=pnpdrvr.drv

The registry also contains a few entries which you could check.

Basic searches:
monitor - will find any video card specific

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is supposedly
installed or available

Should look something like this for default:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR\PCI_VEN_10DE&DEV_0326&SUBSY
S_00000000&REV_A1_BUS_00&DEV_0F&FUNC_00_1]
"Capabilities"=hex:14,00,00,00
"InitMonitorPowerState"="0d"
"ClassGUID"="{4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}"
"Class"="Monitor"
"Driver"="Monitor\\0001"
"Mfg"="(Standard monitor types)"
"ConfigFlags"=hex:00,00,00,00
"HardwareID"="Monitor\\Default_Monitor"
"DeviceDesc"="Default Monitor"

The other entry[ies] would show your specific monitor(s).

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________
 
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Roger R

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net...
> | WIN98SE on Desktop.
> | Running only in Safe Mode.
> |
> | Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch.
> | So I can't install a monitor.
> | How can this be restored?

Thanks for the effort you have put into your lengthy reply.
> You might try run Find New Hardware in Control Panel.

In Safe Mode 'some windows components necessary for device installation are
not available. ...restart Windows and then run this wizard again'.
The reason for being in Safe Mode is because Windows won't run.
So 'Add New Hardware' is no help in this situation.

> You should have at least a default monitor showing,

Where?
No monitors branch in Device Manager.
Control Panel - Display - Settings:
Display (Unkown Monitor) on (Unknown Device)
Display is restricted (as it would be in Safe mode) to 640x 480 16 colours.
Advanced - Adaptor - correctly identified adaptor correctly installed.

> but preferably the
> actual monitor which you are using so you can apply any additional
> settings that might be available.
>
> Also check your system.ini file [run sysedit from the run box], it should
> look something like this:
> [boot]
> *DisplayFallback=0
> ...

System.ini has message 'your actual system ini has been saved under the name
SYSTEM.TSH'. Place holder for system.ini: 'DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE'.
Using Start/Find/files or folders, and entering SYSTEM.TSH
nothing is found, nor using *.TSH
(some items are listed in system.ini, Display, DisplayFallback or
Display.drv are not.)

> The registry also contains a few entries which you could check.
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is
> supposedly installed or available

Well, there was a listing there, but it has been established that the entry
describes the display adaptor card, not the monitor, so I deleted it
(having also saved it). It hasn't made any difference. But FWIW here is
the registry entry as it was:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/
HSL06AD/
PCI_VEN10DE&DEV_0171&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3_000800_1

(describes NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 graphics adaptor which is the one in use
and listed under the registry entry for Display and correctly identified and
installed in Device Manager.)

So now the Monitor key is:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/(Default) data: (value not set)

The monitor data you listed above is what I want to acheive using an .inf
(which is on floppy) but how to get the inf data from floppy to the
registry?

I don't think it is a simple as creating new keys directly in the registry
similar to the ones above, but maybe it is as the monitor is pnp
and requires only inf to describe its capabilities not any 'drivers'.

The real issue is how to restore the Monitor branch to Device Manager, from
where monitor info can be easily added.
There is most probably some dll in the windows folder that generates this
and it needs replacing with fresh copy from the Windows98 CD disk, but I
don't know how to do it.

Roger R
 
R

Roger R

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net...
>> WIN98SE on Desktop.
>> Running only in Safe Mode.
>>
>> Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch.
>> So I can't install a monitor.
>> How can this be restored?
>>
>> I seem to recollect a post detailing how this might be achived by
> extracting
>> the necessary files from the WIN98SE disk, but can't now find it.

> You do not need to install a monitor...
> windows would normally install it as a default monitor and that's good
> enough.

Only if you are happy with 640 x 480 at 16 colours.

> Now if you meant instead...you video card...that does of course require
> the
> proper drivers

No I didn't mean a video card, that is installed and working correctly.

Roger R
 
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philo

"Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:O8xbiG5XIHA.5816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >
> > "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net...
> >> WIN98SE on Desktop.
> >> Running only in Safe Mode.
> >>
> >> Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch.
> >> So I can't install a monitor.
> >> How can this be restored?
> >>
> >> I seem to recollect a post detailing how this might be achived by
> > extracting
> >> the necessary files from the WIN98SE disk, but can't now find it.
>
> > You do not need to install a monitor...
> > windows would normally install it as a default monitor and that's good
> > enough.
>
> Only if you are happy with 640 x 480 at 16 colours.
>
> > Now if you meant instead...you video card...that does of course require
> > the
> > proper drivers
>
> No I didn't mean a video card, that is installed and working correctly.
>
> Roger R
>
>
>

Nope! The reason you are at low resolution has nothing to do with your
monitor...
it is due to your video card drivers.
Your video card is probaly using "standard vga" drivers...which accounts
for the low res.
You need to use the acual manufacturer's drivers designed specifically for
your video card.

If you look again in device manager you should see what the video there and
see how it's setup.

Note: if the video card is listed by manufacturer and still cannot go beyond
the minimal settings then the drivers are probably incorrect for the card
 
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Peter Keller

Roger R wrote:
> WIN98SE on Desktop.
> Running only in Safe Mode.
>
> Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch.
> So I can't install a monitor.
> How can this be restored?
>
> I seem to recollect a post detailing how this might be achived by extracting
> the necessary files from the WIN98SE disk, but can't now find it.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Roger R
>
>
>
Nvidia drivers seem to be full of bugs on non-intel mainboards.
Have you tried deleting your 440 card from the devices? When
you reboot windows should re-detect it and reinstall the drivers
and your monitor.
 
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Ben Myers

"Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net...
> WIN98SE on Desktop.
> Running only in Safe Mode.
> Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch.
> So I can't install a monitor.
> How can this be restored?

Make sure your display adapter is configured properly. Start
the computer in DOS or open a DOS box and type the
following five lines. The name and manufacturer of the display
adapter should appear at the right side of the screen. If this
doesn't match what is shown in Device Manager, you will
need to download and install the correct drivers for the adapter.
If you want help with this, please repost with the information.
Please note that the characters in line two are zeroes.

debug
dc000:0
d
d
Q

Ben
 
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MEB

Okay, then, now we have an idea of what to work from.

As Peter suggests, uninstalling the nVidia driver while in safe mode should
allow the system to install the default adapter [PCI VGA] and display
monitor [default]. If not [the nVidia 81.98 drivers will not uninstall] then
some manual removal will be needed. Post back for help.

That will give you the standard 680x400 ugly display.

After uninstalling the driver, re-start to Safe Mode and check Device
Manager for ghost or drivers for the adapter and display. Remove any found.
Re-start to Normal Mode [if you're not configged for Menu press F8
immediately and repeatedly when passed the BIOS/CMOS POST display until the
Menu pops up].

Once Normal Mode installs the defaults properly [first re-start], shut
down, re-start back to Normal, backup the registry, and install the nVidia
driver likely it will be the 81.98 driver [you have the last driver from the
nVidia site already downloaded right?]. That will require a re-start, I
suggest doing the re-start twice.
Again save the registry, and set the monitor for the type/model you are
using.
AFTER, a successful install and monitor define, run the DirectX version
[either 8.1 or 9.0c] that was working properly before with your particular
setup.
Re-start again, save the registry one more time, and go to windows\sysbckup
and copy the last three [date wise] rb00?.cab files to another directory.

If you're still having difficulties, please post back with whatever errors
or information that applies.

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________


"Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:%23j$YLw5XIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| >
| >
| > "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
| > news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net...
| > | WIN98SE on Desktop.
| > | Running only in Safe Mode.
| > |
| > | Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch.
| > | So I can't install a monitor.
| > | How can this be restored?
|
| Thanks for the effort you have put into your lengthy reply.
| > You might try run Find New Hardware in Control Panel.
|
| In Safe Mode 'some windows components necessary for device installation
are
| not available. ...restart Windows and then run this wizard again'.
| The reason for being in Safe Mode is because Windows won't run.
| So 'Add New Hardware' is no help in this situation.
|
| > You should have at least a default monitor showing,
|
| Where?
| No monitors branch in Device Manager.
| Control Panel - Display - Settings:
| Display (Unkown Monitor) on (Unknown Device)
| Display is restricted (as it would be in Safe mode) to 640x 480 16
colours.
| Advanced - Adaptor - correctly identified adaptor correctly installed.
|
| > but preferably the
| > actual monitor which you are using so you can apply any additional
| > settings that might be available.
| >
| > Also check your system.ini file [run sysedit from the run box], it
should
| > look something like this:
| > [boot]
| > *DisplayFallback=0
| > ...
|
| System.ini has message 'your actual system ini has been saved under the
name
| SYSTEM.TSH'. Place holder for system.ini: 'DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE'.
| Using Start/Find/files or folders, and entering SYSTEM.TSH
| nothing is found, nor using *.TSH
| (some items are listed in system.ini, Display, DisplayFallback or
| Display.drv are not.)
|
| > The registry also contains a few entries which you could check.
| > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is
| > supposedly installed or available
|
| Well, there was a listing there, but it has been established that the
entry
| describes the display adaptor card, not the monitor, so I deleted it
| (having also saved it). It hasn't made any difference. But FWIW here is
| the registry entry as it was:
|
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/
| HSL06AD/
| PCI_VEN10DE&DEV_0171&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3_000800_1
|
| (describes NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 graphics adaptor which is the one in use
| and listed under the registry entry for Display and correctly identified
and
| installed in Device Manager.)
|
| So now the Monitor key is:
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/(Default) data: (value not set)
|
| The monitor data you listed above is what I want to acheive using an .inf
| (which is on floppy) but how to get the inf data from floppy to the
| registry?
|
| I don't think it is a simple as creating new keys directly in the registry
| similar to the ones above, but maybe it is as the monitor is pnp
| and requires only inf to describe its capabilities not any 'drivers'.
|
| The real issue is how to restore the Monitor branch to Device Manager,
from
| where monitor info can be easily added.
| There is most probably some dll in the windows folder that generates this
| and it needs replacing with fresh copy from the Windows98 CD disk, but I
| don't know how to do it.
|
| Roger R
|
|
|
|
 
G

glee

You are not going to be able to do a lot in Safe Mode, other than possibly
uninstalling the display drivers and removing ALL entries in Device Manager> Display
Adapter and Device Manager> Other.

All the monitor and display info you mentioned, such as "unknown monitor", is to be
expected in Safe Mode, which I thought I mentioned in your earlier thread in another
group.

Follow MEB's suggestions re: uninstalling and removing the display drivers and all
related DevMan entries from Safe Mode then see if you can start in Normal Mode. If
you are still unable to start in Normal Mode then, you likely have other problems.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


"Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23j$YLw5XIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>> "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net...
>> | WIN98SE on Desktop.
>> | Running only in Safe Mode.
>> |
>> | Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch.
>> | So I can't install a monitor.
>> | How can this be restored?
>
> Thanks for the effort you have put into your lengthy reply.
>> You might try run Find New Hardware in Control Panel.
>
> In Safe Mode 'some windows components necessary for device installation are
> not available. ...restart Windows and then run this wizard again'.
> The reason for being in Safe Mode is because Windows won't run.
> So 'Add New Hardware' is no help in this situation.
>
>> You should have at least a default monitor showing,
>
> Where?
> No monitors branch in Device Manager.
> Control Panel - Display - Settings:
> Display (Unkown Monitor) on (Unknown Device)
> Display is restricted (as it would be in Safe mode) to 640x 480 16 colours.
> Advanced - Adaptor - correctly identified adaptor correctly installed.
>
>> but preferably the
>> actual monitor which you are using so you can apply any additional
>> settings that might be available.
>>
>> Also check your system.ini file [run sysedit from the run box], it should
>> look something like this:
>> [boot]
>> *DisplayFallback=0
>> ...
>
> System.ini has message 'your actual system ini has been saved under the name
> SYSTEM.TSH'. Place holder for system.ini: 'DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE'.
> Using Start/Find/files or folders, and entering SYSTEM.TSH
> nothing is found, nor using *.TSH
> (some items are listed in system.ini, Display, DisplayFallback or
> Display.drv are not.)
>
>> The registry also contains a few entries which you could check.
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is
>> supposedly installed or available
>
> Well, there was a listing there, but it has been established that the entry
> describes the display adaptor card, not the monitor, so I deleted it
> (having also saved it). It hasn't made any difference. But FWIW here is
> the registry entry as it was:
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/
> HSL06AD/
> PCI_VEN10DE&DEV_0171&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3_000800_1
>
> (describes NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 graphics adaptor which is the one in use
> and listed under the registry entry for Display and correctly identified and
> installed in Device Manager.)
>
> So now the Monitor key is:
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/(Default) data: (value not set)
>
> The monitor data you listed above is what I want to acheive using an .inf
> (which is on floppy) but how to get the inf data from floppy to the
> registry?
>
> I don't think it is a simple as creating new keys directly in the registry
> similar to the ones above, but maybe it is as the monitor is pnp
> and requires only inf to describe its capabilities not any 'drivers'.
>
> The real issue is how to restore the Monitor branch to Device Manager, from
> where monitor info can be easily added.
> There is most probably some dll in the windows folder that generates this
> and it needs replacing with fresh copy from the Windows98 CD disk, but I
> don't know how to do it.
>
> Roger R
>
>
>
>
 
F

Franc Zabkar

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:09:23 -0000, "Roger R"
<d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>
>"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:%23j$YLw5XIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> The registry also contains a few entries which you could check.
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is
>> supposedly installed or available
>
>Well, there was a listing there, but it has been established that the entry
>describes the display adaptor card, not the monitor, so I deleted it
>(having also saved it). It hasn't made any difference. But FWIW here is
>the registry entry as it was:
>
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/
>HSL06AD/
>PCI_VEN10DE&DEV_0171&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3_000800_1
>
>(describes NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 graphics adaptor which is the one in use
>and listed under the registry entry for Display and correctly identified and
>installed in Device Manager.)

The Vendor and Device IDs belong to the NVidia graphics adapter but
HSL06AD appears to be the model identifier for your monitor (HanSoL
C776).

http://www.sosordi.net/Depannage/128271-136-changement-processeur
=====================================================================
[ Hansol C776 ]

Propriétés du moniteur:
Nom du moniteur Hansol C776
Identification du moniteur HSL06AD
Modèle C776
Type de moniteur 17" CRT
Date de fabrication Semaine 48 / 2000
Numéro de série YESN054206
Taille d'affichage maximale visible 32 cm x 24 cm (15.7")
Ratio d'aspect de l'image 4:3
Fréquence horizontale 30 - 72 KHz
Fréquence verticale 50 - 160 Hz
Résolution maximale 1280 x 1024
Gamma 2.26
Gestion du mode DPMS Standby, Suspend, Active-Off

Modes vidéo gérés:
640 x 480 140 Hz
800 x 600 110 Hz
1024 x 768 85 Hz
1152 x 864 75 Hz
1280 x 1024 65 Hz

Fabricant du moniteur:
Nom de l'entreprise Hansol Electronics
Information sur le produit http://www.hansol-uk.com
Télécharger le pilote http://www.hansol-uk.com/support/drivers.html
=====================================================================

Normally what happens when a PnP monitor is attached to a PnP capable
card is that the card reads the monitor's capabilities (eg
resolutions, refresh rates) via its EDID EEPROM and then stores the
EDID data in the registry. ISTR a very long thread where the OP's
monitor's EDID EEPROM was corrupted and his NVidia (?) card was then
unable to retrieve the monitor's specs, in which case it locked the
resolution and/or refresh rate at some suboptimal value.

I'd make sure that none of the DDC pins in the monitor cable are bent
or pushed in.

See http://pinouts.ru/Video/VGA15_pinout.shtml

Having said that, if there really is a problem retrieving data from
your monitor, then there should be no "HSL06AD" reference in the
registry, unless the problem has appeared since then.

You might like to try Everest Home Edition to see if it finds your
monitor, or you might like to try PowerStrip to see if it can read
your monitor's EDID EEPROM.

PowerStrip 3.7:
http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
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Roger R

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Okay, then, now we have an idea of what to work from.

Thanks for your prompt reply, I can't repond immediately as its midnight Sat
here, and I'm away 'till Monday.
Will post here again when have tried your suggestions.


> As Peter suggests, uninstalling the nVidia driver while in safe mode
> should
> allow the system to install the default adapter [PCI VGA] and display
> monitor [default]. If not [the nVidia 81.98 drivers will not uninstall]
> then
> some manual removal will be needed. Post back for help.
>
> That will give you the standard 680x400 ugly display.
>
> After uninstalling the driver, re-start to Safe Mode and check Device
> Manager for ghost or drivers for the adapter and display. Remove any
> found.
> Re-start to Normal Mode [if you're not configged for Menu press F8
> immediately and repeatedly when passed the BIOS/CMOS POST display until
> the
> Menu pops up].
>
> Once Normal Mode installs the defaults properly [first re-start], shut
> down, re-start back to Normal, backup the registry, and install the nVidia
> driver likely it will be the 81.98 driver [you have the last driver from
> the
> nVidia site already downloaded right?]. That will require a re-start, I
> suggest doing the re-start twice.
> Again save the registry, and set the monitor for the type/model you are
> using.
> AFTER, a successful install and monitor define, run the DirectX version
> [either 8.1 or 9.0c] that was working properly before with your particular
> setup.
> Re-start again, save the registry one more time, and go to
> windows\sysbckup
> and copy the last three [date wise] rb00?.cab files to another directory.
>
> If you're still having difficulties, please post back with whatever errors
> or information that applies.
>
> --
>
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> _________
>
>
> "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1201345723.82861.0@despina.uk.clara.net...
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:%23j$YLw5XIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | >
> | >
> | > "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> | > news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net...
> | > | WIN98SE on Desktop.
> | > | Running only in Safe Mode.
> | > |
> | > | Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch.
> | > | So I can't install a monitor.
> | > | How can this be restored?
> |
> | Thanks for the effort you have put into your lengthy reply.
> | > You might try run Find New Hardware in Control Panel.
> |
> | In Safe Mode 'some windows components necessary for device installation
> are
> | not available. ...restart Windows and then run this wizard again'.
> | The reason for being in Safe Mode is because Windows won't run.
> | So 'Add New Hardware' is no help in this situation.
> |
> | > You should have at least a default monitor showing,
> |
> | Where?
> | No monitors branch in Device Manager.
> | Control Panel - Display - Settings:
> | Display (Unkown Monitor) on (Unknown Device)
> | Display is restricted (as it would be in Safe mode) to 640x 480 16
> colours.
> | Advanced - Adaptor - correctly identified adaptor correctly installed.
> |
> | > but preferably the
> | > actual monitor which you are using so you can apply any additional
> | > settings that might be available.
> | >
> | > Also check your system.ini file [run sysedit from the run box], it
> should
> | > look something like this:
> | > [boot]
> | > *DisplayFallback=0
> | > ...
> |
> | System.ini has message 'your actual system ini has been saved under the
> name
> | SYSTEM.TSH'. Place holder for system.ini: 'DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE'.
> | Using Start/Find/files or folders, and entering SYSTEM.TSH
> | nothing is found, nor using *.TSH
> | (some items are listed in system.ini, Display, DisplayFallback or
> | Display.drv are not.)
> |
> | > The registry also contains a few entries which you could check.
> | > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is
> | > supposedly installed or available
> |
> | Well, there was a listing there, but it has been established that the
> entry
> | describes the display adaptor card, not the monitor, so I deleted it
> | (having also saved it). It hasn't made any difference. But FWIW here
> is
> | the registry entry as it was:
> |
> | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/
> | HSL06AD/
> | PCI_VEN10DE&DEV_0171&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3_000800_1
> |
> | (describes NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 graphics adaptor which is the one in
> use
> | and listed under the registry entry for Display and correctly identified
> and
> | installed in Device Manager.)
> |
> | So now the Monitor key is:
> | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/(Default) data: (value not set)
> |
> | The monitor data you listed above is what I want to acheive using an
> .inf
> | (which is on floppy) but how to get the inf data from floppy to the
> | registry?
> |
> | I don't think it is a simple as creating new keys directly in the
> registry
> | similar to the ones above, but maybe it is as the monitor is pnp
> | and requires only inf to describe its capabilities not any 'drivers'.
> |
> | The real issue is how to restore the Monitor branch to Device Manager,
> from
> | where monitor info can be easily added.
> | There is most probably some dll in the windows folder that generates
> this
> | and it needs replacing with fresh copy from the Windows98 CD disk, but I
> | don't know how to do it.
> |
> | Roger R
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
 
P

PCR

Roger R wrote:
| WIN98SE on Desktop.
| Running only in Safe Mode.
|
| Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch.
| So I can't install a monitor.
| How can this be restored?
|
| I seem to recollect a post detailing how this might be achived by
| extracting the necessary files from the WIN98SE disk, but can't now
| find it.
|
| Any ideas?

I'm sure most of this & more has already been posted, but here is my
Master Post on the topic...

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=127139
Troubleshooting Video Problems in Windows

"START, Run, MSConfig, Advanced button". If checked, then uncheck "VGA
640x480x16", & reboot.

"Control Panel, Display, Settings tab". Select as you wish from the
Colors dropdown menu & the Size slider.

If you move the Screen Area slider to 1024x768 there, possibly click the
Advanced button, & select Large fonts too— or there is a chance you end
up with tiny, unreadable fonts!

Try to get your colors/size at least twice that way. If it continues to
fail, you may need to reinstall your Monitor or Display Adapter...

For the Monitor...
(1) Boot to Safe Mode
(Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)
(2) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab"
(3) Open the Monitors branch, & Remove all entries.

Perhaps, FIRST, even in Normal Mode, note what is installed
similar to below for the Adapter. That is...
(a) D-Clk the monitor there for Properties, Driver tab.
(b) Click the Update Driver button, then "Next".
(c) Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next".
(d) Bolt "Show all hardware".
Examine the two panes to see what is currently installed.
That is likely what you wish to end up with, after step (4).

(4) Boot to Normal Mode.

Hopefully, it will be rediscovered & installed. Then, if still
necessary, here is the rigmarole of the Display Adapter...

.......Quote..........
The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have
installed. Right-click on the desktop choose "Properties" from the
drop-down menu select "Settings" click on the "Advanced" button and
click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to
deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is
currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display
Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.

[That is: Click "Change, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next, bolt
'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard display
types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right pane, click
'Next'"... PCR]

This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic VGA
adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA because
it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to get
rid of whatever was there before.

Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that matches
your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are
using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to
see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct
video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an
adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that
made your video card.

Bill Starbuck (MVP)
.......End....of quote....

Also...
..........Quote................
To identify your video adapter correctly, download and run either the
Everest or Aida32 utility, available here:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloads9.html

There are links to both the Personal and Enterprise versions of
AIDA32....I
suggest Enterprise:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/Aida32_-_Enterprise_System_Information_d183.html

Everest Free Edition:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/EVEREST_Free_Edition_d4181.html

AIDA32 is also available here:
http://aumha.org/freeware/freeware.php#aida32
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
.........EOQ....................

| Roger R

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
M

MEB

Ah glad you brought that to my attention, I remember that thread/discussion
though I did not recognize the poster or problem.
Apparently PowerStrip was not used to pull the info per that thread and the
suggestions at that time..
Perhaps this time your help will be accepted.

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________


"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:f0enp3t79fufgv9579f3ud79199sop19vk@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:09:23 -0000, "Roger R"
| <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| >
| >"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| >news:%23j$YLw5XIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|
| >> The registry also contains a few entries which you could check.
| >> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is
| >> supposedly installed or available
| >
| >Well, there was a listing there, but it has been established that the
entry
| >describes the display adaptor card, not the monitor, so I deleted it
| >(having also saved it). It hasn't made any difference. But FWIW here is
| >the registry entry as it was:
| >
| >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/
| >HSL06AD/
| >PCI_VEN10DE&DEV_0171&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3_000800_1
| >
| >(describes NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 graphics adaptor which is the one in
use
| >and listed under the registry entry for Display and correctly identified
and
| >installed in Device Manager.)
|
| The Vendor and Device IDs belong to the NVidia graphics adapter but
| HSL06AD appears to be the model identifier for your monitor (HanSoL
| C776).
|
| http://www.sosordi.net/Depannage/128271-136-changement-processeur
| =====================================================================
| [ Hansol C776 ]
|
| Propriétés du moniteur:
| Nom du moniteur Hansol C776
| Identification du moniteur HSL06AD
| Modèle C776
| Type de moniteur 17" CRT
| Date de fabrication Semaine 48 / 2000
| Numéro de série YESN054206
| Taille d'affichage maximale visible 32 cm x 24 cm (15.7")
| Ratio d'aspect de l'image 4:3
| Fréquence horizontale 30 - 72 KHz
| Fréquence verticale 50 - 160 Hz
| Résolution maximale 1280 x 1024
| Gamma 2.26
| Gestion du mode DPMS Standby, Suspend, Active-Off
|
| Modes vidéo gérés:
| 640 x 480 140 Hz
| 800 x 600 110 Hz
| 1024 x 768 85 Hz
| 1152 x 864 75 Hz
| 1280 x 1024 65 Hz
|
| Fabricant du moniteur:
| Nom de l'entreprise Hansol Electronics
| Information sur le produit http://www.hansol-uk.com
| Télécharger le pilote http://www.hansol-uk.com/support/drivers.html
| =====================================================================
|
| Normally what happens when a PnP monitor is attached to a PnP capable
| card is that the card reads the monitor's capabilities (eg
| resolutions, refresh rates) via its EDID EEPROM and then stores the
| EDID data in the registry. ISTR a very long thread where the OP's
| monitor's EDID EEPROM was corrupted and his NVidia (?) card was then
| unable to retrieve the monitor's specs, in which case it locked the
| resolution and/or refresh rate at some suboptimal value.
|
| I'd make sure that none of the DDC pins in the monitor cable are bent
| or pushed in.
|
| See http://pinouts.ru/Video/VGA15_pinout.shtml
|
| Having said that, if there really is a problem retrieving data from
| your monitor, then there should be no "HSL06AD" reference in the
| registry, unless the problem has appeared since then.
|
| You might like to try Everest Home Edition to see if it finds your
| monitor, or you might like to try PowerStrip to see if it can read
| your monitor's EDID EEPROM.
|
| PowerStrip 3.7:
| http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
M

MEB

You mentioned Powerstrip as a potential, but how about DCCtest to see if
the card and monitor are communicating?
http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/legacy.shtm

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________


"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:f0enp3t79fufgv9579f3ud79199sop19vk@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:09:23 -0000, "Roger R"
| <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| >
| >"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| >news:%23j$YLw5XIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|
| >> The registry also contains a few entries which you could check.
| >> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is
| >> supposedly installed or available
| >
| >Well, there was a listing there, but it has been established that the
entry
| >describes the display adaptor card, not the monitor, so I deleted it
| >(having also saved it). It hasn't made any difference. But FWIW here is
| >the registry entry as it was:
| >
| >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/
| >HSL06AD/
| >PCI_VEN10DE&DEV_0171&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3_000800_1
| >
| >(describes NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 graphics adaptor which is the one in
use
| >and listed under the registry entry for Display and correctly identified
and
| >installed in Device Manager.)
|
| The Vendor and Device IDs belong to the NVidia graphics adapter but
| HSL06AD appears to be the model identifier for your monitor (HanSoL
| C776).
|
| http://www.sosordi.net/Depannage/128271-136-changement-processeur
| =====================================================================
| [ Hansol C776 ]
|
| Propriétés du moniteur:
| Nom du moniteur Hansol C776
| Identification du moniteur HSL06AD
| Modèle C776
| Type de moniteur 17" CRT
| Date de fabrication Semaine 48 / 2000
| Numéro de série YESN054206
| Taille d'affichage maximale visible 32 cm x 24 cm (15.7")
| Ratio d'aspect de l'image 4:3
| Fréquence horizontale 30 - 72 KHz
| Fréquence verticale 50 - 160 Hz
| Résolution maximale 1280 x 1024
| Gamma 2.26
| Gestion du mode DPMS Standby, Suspend, Active-Off
|
| Modes vidéo gérés:
| 640 x 480 140 Hz
| 800 x 600 110 Hz
| 1024 x 768 85 Hz
| 1152 x 864 75 Hz
| 1280 x 1024 65 Hz
|
| Fabricant du moniteur:
| Nom de l'entreprise Hansol Electronics
| Information sur le produit http://www.hansol-uk.com
| Télécharger le pilote http://www.hansol-uk.com/support/drivers.html
| =====================================================================
|
| Normally what happens when a PnP monitor is attached to a PnP capable
| card is that the card reads the monitor's capabilities (eg
| resolutions, refresh rates) via its EDID EEPROM and then stores the
| EDID data in the registry. ISTR a very long thread where the OP's
| monitor's EDID EEPROM was corrupted and his NVidia (?) card was then
| unable to retrieve the monitor's specs, in which case it locked the
| resolution and/or refresh rate at some suboptimal value.
|
| I'd make sure that none of the DDC pins in the monitor cable are bent
| or pushed in.
|
| See http://pinouts.ru/Video/VGA15_pinout.shtml
|
| Having said that, if there really is a problem retrieving data from
| your monitor, then there should be no "HSL06AD" reference in the
| registry, unless the problem has appeared since then.
|
| You might like to try Everest Home Edition to see if it finds your
| monitor, or you might like to try PowerStrip to see if it can read
| your monitor's EDID EEPROM.
|
| PowerStrip 3.7:
| http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
F

Franc Zabkar

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:59:15 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

> You mentioned Powerstrip as a potential, but how about DCCtest to see if
>the card and monitor are communicating?
>http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/legacy.shtm

Sounds good to me.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
R

Roger R

"Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in message
news:%236dDXJDYIHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
"Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net...
> WIN98SE on Desktop.
> Running only in Safe Mode.
> Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch.
> So I can't install a monitor.
> How can this be restored?

Make sure your display adapter is configured properly. Start
the computer in DOS or open a DOS box and type the
following five lines. The name and manufacturer of the display
adapter should appear at the right side of the screen. If this
doesn't match what is shown in Device Manager, you will
need to download and install the correct drivers for the adapter.
If you want help with this, please repost with the information.
Please note that the characters in line two are zeroes.

debug
dc000:0
d
d
Q

Almost a week later I've been able to do the above...

Under dc000:0 =
U.~.K7400.L.w.V1
DEO ......I...IB
M VGA Compatible
.........10/18/02
.................
...}.............
.................
PMIDj.m.........

Under d =
....7..NV....0.a.
............y......
.....P...q(Kk.k.v
sv.v....N........
...A.kH1.'.....v
..............J.P
......V.Y......1.
1....>.T.\..1.1.1

under d (2) =
.....PCIR..q.....
.....~.......GF4M
X440-SE VGA BIOS
.................
.................
.................
.............Ver
sion 4.17.00.61V

(number of multiple dots in lines may not be accurate)

Roger R
 
R

Roger R

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:%23W8dA2FYIHA.6140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> You are not going to be able to do a lot in Safe Mode, other than possibly
> uninstalling the display drivers and removing ALL entries in Device
> Manager> Display Adapter and Device Manager> Other.
>
> All the monitor and display info you mentioned, such as "unknown monitor",
> is to be expected in Safe Mode, which I thought I mentioned in your
> earlier thread in another group.

Included here for information completeness.

> Follow MEB's suggestions re: uninstalling and removing the display drivers
> and all related DevMan entries from Safe Mode then see if you can start
> in Normal Mode. If you are still unable to start in Normal Mode then, you
> likely have other problems.
> --

I think it likely your last phrase accurately describes the situation.

The widely held view here is to remove and reinstall the video
card drivers so I will try this to lay that ghost once and for all.

Roger R
 
R

Roger R

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:f0enp3t79fufgv9579f3ud79199sop19vk@4ax.com...
>
> The Vendor and Device IDs belong to the NVidia graphics adapter but
> HSL06AD appears to be the model identifier for your monitor (HanSoL
> C776).

Yes, the monitor is indeed a C766.

I have modified the Monitors key in HKLM by deleting the sub key referring
to the Graphics adaptor, leaving just the sub key HSL06D. However there is
no data on this key corresponding to the monitor - only 'default'.

> http://www.sosordi.net/Depannage/128271-136-changement-processeur
> =====================================================================
> [ Hansol C776 ]
>
> Propriitis du moniteur:
> Nom du moniteur Hansol C776
> Identification du moniteur HSL06AD
> Modhle C776
> Type de moniteur 17" CRT
> Date de fabrication Semaine 48 / 2000
> Numiro de sirie YESN054206
> Taille d'affichage maximale visible 32 cm x 24 cm (15.7")
> Ratio d'aspect de l'image 4:3
> Friquence horizontale 30 - 72 KHz
> Friquence verticale 50 - 160 Hz
> Risolution maximale 1280 x 1024
> Gamma 2.26
> Gestion du mode DPMS Standby, Suspend, Active-Off
>
> Modes vidio giris:
> 640 x 480 140 Hz
> 800 x 600 110 Hz
> 1024 x 768 85 Hz
> 1152 x 864 75 Hz
> 1280 x 1024 65 Hz
>
> Fabricant du moniteur:
> Nom de l'entreprise Hansol Electronics
> Information sur le produit http://www.hansol-uk.com
> Tilicharger le pilote http://www.hansol-uk.com/support/drivers.html

I am unable to get any 'driver' or inf file from the above link.
Whilst the link to /support/drivers would seem ideal, this only takes me to
a Hansol trade directory page. There are not any drivers there that I can
see. Even clicking the links to some of the other monitors mentioned, 710d,
739e, or following the 'monitor drivers' links again take me only to a site
directory page of web search engines.

Pleas explain further how it is possible to get the inf file from this site.


> =====================================================================
>
> Normally what happens when a PnP monitor is attached to a PnP capable
> card is that the card reads the monitor's capabilities (eg
> resolutions, refresh rates) via its EDID EEPROM and then stores the
> EDID data in the registry. ISTR a very long thread where the OP's
> monitor's EDID EEPROM was corrupted and his NVidia (?) card was then
> unable to retrieve the monitor's specs, in which case it locked the
> resolution and/or refresh rate at some suboptimal value.
>
> I'd make sure that none of the DDC pins in the monitor cable are bent
> or pushed in.

No bent pins.

> See http://pinouts.ru/Video/VGA15_pinout.shtml
>
> Having said that, if there really is a problem retrieving data from
> your monitor, then there should be no "HSL06AD" reference in the
> registry, unless the problem has appeared since then.
>
> You might like to try Everest Home Edition to see if it finds your
> monitor, or you might like to try PowerStrip to see if it can read
> your monitor's EDID EEPROM.
>
> PowerStrip 3.7:

This does fit on a floppy so I can load it into the machine (the install
seemed to go ok), but it won't run, remember I'm in Safe Mode.

Everest Home edition:
At over 4 Mb its too big for a floppy so I cannot transfer and install it.

Subsequently in this thread MEB proposes 'DDC test', and this is small
enough to transfer and run.

The details (nothing unexpected) displayed by DDC test are explained in
response to MEB's suggestion.

Roger R
 
R

Roger R

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:u5UgLPJYIHA.1532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Ah glad you brought that to my attention, I remember that
> thread/discussion
> though I did not recognize the poster or problem.


You appear to be suggesting I am connected to that poster.
I am not.


> Apparently PowerStrip was not used to pull the info per that thread and
> the
> suggestions at that time..
> Perhaps this time your help will be accepted.

The problem with Power Strip is that though it is small enough to be
transferred by floppy and appears to install ok it does not run.

'DCC test' you propose in your supplementary reply to Franc Zabkar works OK
and I have commented on the results in response to your post recommending
it.

Roger R
 
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