RE: KB931768 problem - ***solved***

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Gene

Richard, thanks so much for the spy-boot info. what a bummer!! Big time as u
know. I also liked spy-boot program. I was going crazy with this mess trying
to delete contacts in vistas windows mail. Hour's on the phone with 2 Dell
Techs. and they ended up with, (get back 2 u friday, today) couldn't help.
Now also my, I call it, "go back". which is, systems restore. When I try &
run it it tells me, none of your files have been changed do to an error
during running this program. I tried 3 times now. So if Dell calls back
tonight, this is what we r going to work on. I had one major fix left with
Dell and that is, if I remember right, 4 $ 120+ you get 3 major fixes and if
one of then can B fixed fast, then its called a minor fix at no cost. I
bought a new Dell Dimension E521 March of 07. After 2 weeks with it, it
crashed! It had came with a 6-mos. free McAfee program. I was running McAfee
and the puter froze up and short of a sledge hammer, it wasn't coming
un-froze!! So 9 hrs. on the phone with Dell we wipped it clean and started
over. To date it been good untill now and this spy-boot thing and I share
this puter with a 28-yr. old daughter, Nadine & two Grand kids, Janel 8 &
Jonathan 6 with their own desk tops. They all r pretty good. Well thank God
Richard for people like u. Here is my e-mail if you care to write me, Im
Gene, at yakindian187@ca.rr.com in California. Hope 2 hear from u soon. Can u
tell me if I download this new live window mail, will I B able 2 delete
Windows mail from my puter? Please let me know, & again, thanks for the
spy-boot info. Gene. P.S. Richard, when Im in the windows (WINDOWS VISTA
COMMUNITY) Everything I type I get an error message, check spelling, etc. and
I mean everytime. What am I doing wrong?? Like "search for (ill type delete
contacts in windows mail, vista) then in the next space where it starts in
ill click windows mail & contacts, then click on GO. always the error
message, try different words, etc, etc. Can u halp here?? Later
--
Gene Martinez


"Richard Urban" wrote:

> I had posted in a couple of various threads that I was also affected by this
> update (KB931768) under both Vista and Windows XP. Under Vista, Windows Mail
> had become so slow as to be almost impossible to use. Clicking on a post in
> the news groups took about 2-4 seconds to show the text in the bottom.
> Replying to a post also took about 2-4 seconds to bring us a usable reply
> window. Shutting down Windows Mail took the same 2-4 seconds.
>
> I also stated that I thought it was a program interaction. It took me six
> days to rebuild my system, installing each program I normally use, rebooting
> and then testing Windows Mail. I was creating an image of my system after
> every successful program install so I could go back easily when I found a
> problem. All it took was loads of time and testing.
>
> About 2 hours ago I finally found the culprit!
>
> Hint! Raise your hand if you have Spybot Search and Destroy installed.
>
> I had been using Spybot Search and Destroy for about 4 years now. I
> installed it under Vista and, because it seemed to work OK, I left it in
> place. Well, we all know that Spybot S&D was **not** designed for Vista. It
> just happened to work.
>
> Unfortunately, it's short comings showed up after the install of KB931768
>
> I installed Spybot S&D - and did not choose to run through the initial
> wizard immediately. I closed down Spybot S&D and tested Windows Mail.
> Everything was fine. After a reboot everything was still fine. I then ran
> through the wizard and retrieved all the available updates for Spybot S&D. I
> again tested Windows Mail and found it to work as it previously had (no
> discernible problems or slow downs).
>
> I then chose to ***immunize*** within Spybot, which you have to do to apply
> the updates for the program.
>
> I again started Windows Mail.
>
> *****BANG***** *****BOOM***** *****BAM*****
>
> Windows Mail had been broken!
>
> Every adverse condition that I listed above was back in all their glory!
>
> Now, here is the unfortunate part that is going to cause countless thousands
> of people a bunch of grief. Uninstalling Spybot Search and Destroy (even
> with a reboot) ***DOES NOT*** eliminate the problem and take you back to
> where you were previously. Uninstalling and then using System Restore may -
> if you have just installed Spybot S&D and made no changes to your system
> since. I doubt if too many people would fall into this category.
>
> Even scouring the file system and deleting all remnants left from the
> install does nothing. Spybot must place, or alter, a registry entry
> somewhere that is not touched by the uninstall process. You will have to
> rebuild your system from scratch and resist the temptation to install Spybot
> Search and Destroy.
>
> I have not yet tested to see if this also solves the alternate placement
> problem for the Temporary Internet File Folder but I will be testing for
> that as soon as I place this post in the suitable newsgroups. I will also be
> testing for this under Windows XP when I recover from the total exhaustion I
> have been working under for the past 24 hours. (-:
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
 
R

robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net

Windows Mail is a part of Vista and very hard to delete without doing
the same to the rest of Vista. However, you can remove the accounts
under it, which will keep it from doing much if it runs. Also, you can
delete any shortcuts for it.

Windows Live Mail will help you hide Windows Mail, but will not
delete it.

"Gene" <yakindian187@ca.rr.com> wrote in message
news:8A7968F2-18A8-4CCA-9C55-0D0B922E5DC3@microsoft.com...
> Richard, thanks so much for the spy-boot info. what a bummer!! Big time as
> u
> know. I also liked spy-boot program. I was going crazy with this mess
> trying
> to delete contacts in vistas windows mail. Hour's on the phone with 2 Dell
> Techs. and they ended up with, (get back 2 u friday, today) couldn't help.
> Now also my, I call it, "go back". which is, systems restore. When I try &
> run it it tells me, none of your files have been changed do to an error
> during running this program. I tried 3 times now. So if Dell calls back
> tonight, this is what we r going to work on. I had one major fix left with
> Dell and that is, if I remember right, 4 $ 120+ you get 3 major fixes and
> if
> one of then can B fixed fast, then its called a minor fix at no cost. I
> bought a new Dell Dimension E521 March of 07. After 2 weeks with it, it
> crashed! It had came with a 6-mos. free McAfee program. I was running
> McAfee
> and the puter froze up and short of a sledge hammer, it wasn't coming
> un-froze!! So 9 hrs. on the phone with Dell we wipped it clean and started
> over. To date it been good untill now and this spy-boot thing and I share
> this puter with a 28-yr. old daughter, Nadine & two Grand kids, Janel 8 &
> Jonathan 6 with their own desk tops. They all r pretty good. Well thank
> God
> Richard for people like u. Here is my e-mail if you care to write me, Im
> Gene, at yakindian187@ca.rr.com in California. Hope 2 hear from u soon.
> Can u
> tell me if I download this new live window mail, will I B able 2 delete
> Windows mail from my puter? Please let me know, & again, thanks for the
> spy-boot info. Gene. P.S. Richard, when Im in the windows (WINDOWS VISTA
> COMMUNITY) Everything I type I get an error message, check spelling, etc.
> and
> I mean everytime. What am I doing wrong?? Like "search for (ill type
> delete
> contacts in windows mail, vista) then in the next space where it starts
> in
> ill click windows mail & contacts, then click on GO. always the error
> message, try different words, etc, etc. Can u halp here?? Later
> --
> Gene Martinez
>
>
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
>> I had posted in a couple of various threads that I was also affected by
>> this
>> update (KB931768) under both Vista and Windows XP. Under Vista, Windows
>> Mail
>> had become so slow as to be almost impossible to use. Clicking on a post
>> in
>> the news groups took about 2-4 seconds to show the text in the bottom.
>> Replying to a post also took about 2-4 seconds to bring us a usable reply
>> window. Shutting down Windows Mail took the same 2-4 seconds.
>>
>> I also stated that I thought it was a program interaction. It took me six
>> days to rebuild my system, installing each program I normally use,
>> rebooting
>> and then testing Windows Mail. I was creating an image of my system after
>> every successful program install so I could go back easily when I found a
>> problem. All it took was loads of time and testing.
>>
>> About 2 hours ago I finally found the culprit!
>>
>> Hint! Raise your hand if you have Spybot Search and Destroy installed.
>>
>> I had been using Spybot Search and Destroy for about 4 years now. I
>> installed it under Vista and, because it seemed to work OK, I left it in
>> place. Well, we all know that Spybot S&D was **not** designed for Vista.
>> It
>> just happened to work.
>>
>> Unfortunately, it's short comings showed up after the install of KB931768
>>
>> I installed Spybot S&D - and did not choose to run through the initial
>> wizard immediately. I closed down Spybot S&D and tested Windows Mail.
>> Everything was fine. After a reboot everything was still fine. I then ran
>> through the wizard and retrieved all the available updates for Spybot
>> S&D. I
>> again tested Windows Mail and found it to work as it previously had (no
>> discernible problems or slow downs).
>>
>> I then chose to ***immunize*** within Spybot, which you have to do to
>> apply
>> the updates for the program.
>>
>> I again started Windows Mail.
>>
>> *****BANG***** *****BOOM***** *****BAM*****
>>
>> Windows Mail had been broken!
>>
>> Every adverse condition that I listed above was back in all their glory!
>>
>> Now, here is the unfortunate part that is going to cause countless
>> thousands
>> of people a bunch of grief. Uninstalling Spybot Search and Destroy (even
>> with a reboot) ***DOES NOT*** eliminate the problem and take you back to
>> where you were previously. Uninstalling and then using System Restore
>> may -
>> if you have just installed Spybot S&D and made no changes to your system
>> since. I doubt if too many people would fall into this category.
>>
>> Even scouring the file system and deleting all remnants left from the
>> install does nothing. Spybot must place, or alter, a registry entry
>> somewhere that is not touched by the uninstall process. You will have to
>> rebuild your system from scratch and resist the temptation to install
>> Spybot
>> Search and Destroy.
>>
>> I have not yet tested to see if this also solves the alternate placement
>> problem for the Temporary Internet File Folder but I will be testing for
>> that as soon as I place this post in the suitable newsgroups. I will also
>> be
>> testing for this under Windows XP when I recover from the total
>> exhaustion I
>> have been working under for the past 24 hours. (-:
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
 

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