Computer Failure

[BAP]

For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started having
problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a secondary
Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them. The
prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored Data.
The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family photos.
Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine and
get the info that I would like to save?
Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
Thank you!

 

[kim]

Just install the drive in another machine. Make sure the drive that`s in the
machine is Jumpered/set to master and the drive you want to recover the data
from is set to slave.

"BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6CA9ADED-E25C-43A8-A8FF-9C22E794287D@microsoft.com...
> For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started having
> problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
> secondary
> Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them. The
> prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored
> Data.
> The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family photos.
> Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine and
> get the info that I would like to save?
> Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
> Thank you!
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

You fix the existing computer or you insert the drives into a functionining
computer and read off the data. Do you know how to do that?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6CA9ADED-E25C-43A8-A8FF-9C22E794287D@microsoft.com...
> For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started having
> problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
> secondary
> Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them. The
> prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored
> Data.
> The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family photos.
> Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine and
> get the info that I would like to save?
> Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
> Thank you!
>

 

[BAP]

"kim" wrote:

> Just install the drive in another machine. Make sure the drive that`s in the
> machine is Jumpered/set to master and the drive you want to recover the data
> from is set to slave.
>
> "BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6CA9ADED-E25C-43A8-A8FF-9C22E794287D@microsoft.com...
> > For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started having
> > problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
> > secondary
> > Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them. The
> > prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored
> > Data.
> > The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family photos.
> > Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine and
> > get the info that I would like to save?
> > Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
> > Thank you!
> >
>
>
I believe to be able to understand what you are saying, Kim.
I will try to do my best.
Thank you!

 

[BAP]

I am not sure if I can get anywwhere with the troubled machine.
I do have an older one that might still be working and appears to have a
spot for a secondary HD. The one that I am curremtly using is a Sony with a
primary HD with W98ME and a secondary HD for Data storage. Would it be OK to
remove the Secondary HD and attach either the Primary (with W98SE) or
Secondary HD from the troubled computer and be successful?
Thank you for your reply!

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> You fix the existing computer or you insert the drives into a functionining
> computer and read off the data. Do you know how to do that?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6CA9ADED-E25C-43A8-A8FF-9C22E794287D@microsoft.com...
> > For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started having
> > problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
> > secondary
> > Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them. The
> > prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored
> > Data.
> > The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family photos.
> > Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine and
> > get the info that I would like to save?
> > Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
> > Thank you!
> >
>
>

 

[kim]

"BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:41CD7E92-5DE4-4253-9579-68F13A1DA6C4@microsoft.com...
>I am not sure if I can get anywwhere with the troubled machine.
> I do have an older one that might still be working and appears to have a
> spot for a secondary HD. The one that I am curremtly using is a Sony with
> a
> primary HD with W98ME and a secondary HD for Data storage. Would it be OK
> to
> remove the Secondary HD and attach either the Primary (with W98SE) or
> Secondary HD from the troubled computer and be successful?
> Thank you for your reply!

Yes Remove iether of the drives from the bad machine and make shure that the
jumpers are set to slave and the drive in the working machine is set to
master. Then connect the end connector of the IDE ribbon cable to the master
and the second connector to the slave and restart the machine.


> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>
>> You fix the existing computer or you insert the drives into a
>> functionining
>> computer and read off the data. Do you know how to do that?
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>> "BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:6CA9ADED-E25C-43A8-A8FF-9C22E794287D@microsoft.com...
>> > For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started
>> > having
>> > problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
>> > secondary
>> > Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them.
>> > The
>> > prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored
>> > Data.
>> > The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family
>> > photos.
>> > Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine
>> > and
>> > get the info that I would like to save?
>> > Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
>> > Thank you!
>> >
>>
>>

 

[letterman@invalid.com]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:20:02 -0800, BAP
<BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started having
>problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a secondary
>Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them. The
>prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored Data.
>The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family photos.
>Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine and
>get the info that I would like to save?
>Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
>Thank you!

YES. but dont try to install them on a real new machine. Some of the
computers made in the last few years dont have drivers for Win98. I'd
find a machine from the same era. In other words it you had them in a
500mhz Pentium II, I'd look for something like an 800mhz Pentium II or
III.

I have the very same installation of Win98se that I installed in 1999.
It was in a Pentium 266mhz. Since then I moved it to another Pentium
266, then to a PII 500mhz, then to a PII 800mhz, and now it's in a
PIII 1000mhz. Every time I have had to insert the Win98 install CD to
get the drivers to work with the motherboard, video card (if changed),
etc....

That's why I like 98. You CAN NOT do that with Win2K, XP or anything
newer. From waht I know, if the XP computer dies, you either have to
find an identical motherboard, or you lose all data (or have to get an
expensive data retrieval company involved). For that reason, I won't
even touch XP or Vista.

I'm not sure of WinME allows for this or not.

The whole issue comes down to the format of the hard drive. If it's a
FAT32, you can still read the data, even from DOS. Actually, you
could boot those drives from DOS and save your photos and stuff, but
you'll lose the long filenames. (Of course they could be renamed back
later if you know what to name them, and have a lot of time to spend).

You did not say what's wrong with your computer, or what speed it is.
Maybe it just needs a new Ram stick or video card or something. Tell
us what's wrong.....

And, YES, you could install Win98se on another computer (from
scratch), and still plug in your secondary hard drive and you'll see
all your data. I actually have one drive that is nothing but storage.
In other words, my OS and programs are on the FIRST harddrive. My
storage is all on a SECOND (slave) drive. I have a 3rd drive, which
is where I moved a bunch of storage when I ran out of space on the
regular one. I just unplugged one of the CD drives, and plugged in
the 3rd drive, moved a bunch of stuff to drive 3, and when I was done,
I unplugged it, plugged back my CD drive and put that drive in a safe
place. I dont burn CDs or DVDs, I just store stuff on harddrives and
have a copy of each drive as a backup. I had too many "homemade" CDs
fail in the past. I dont trust them.

Hope this helps.

 

[BAP]

I will try to do as you suggest and get back on the outcome.
Thank you!

"kim" wrote:

>
> "BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:41CD7E92-5DE4-4253-9579-68F13A1DA6C4@microsoft.com...
> >I am not sure if I can get anywwhere with the troubled machine.
> > I do have an older one that might still be working and appears to have a
> > spot for a secondary HD. The one that I am curremtly using is a Sony with
> > a
> > primary HD with W98ME and a secondary HD for Data storage. Would it be OK
> > to
> > remove the Secondary HD and attach either the Primary (with W98SE) or
> > Secondary HD from the troubled computer and be successful?
> > Thank you for your reply!
>
> Yes Remove iether of the drives from the bad machine and make shure that the
> jumpers are set to slave and the drive in the working machine is set to
> master. Then connect the end connector of the IDE ribbon cable to the master
> and the second connector to the slave and restart the machine.
>
>
> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
> >
> >> You fix the existing computer or you insert the drives into a
> >> functionining
> >> computer and read off the data. Do you know how to do that?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary S. Terhune
> >> MS-MVP Shell/User
> >> www.grystmill.com
> >>
> >> "BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:6CA9ADED-E25C-43A8-A8FF-9C22E794287D@microsoft.com...
> >> > For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started
> >> > having
> >> > problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
> >> > secondary
> >> > Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them.
> >> > The
> >> > prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored
> >> > Data.
> >> > The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family
> >> > photos.
> >> > Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine
> >> > and
> >> > get the info that I would like to save?
> >> > Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
> >> > Thank you!
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

 

[BAP]

I will need some time to digest what you are saying.
Thank you for your reply!
As far as the other machine ...it was assembled by Microtime...no longsr in
the area.... in 1999. A 400 MHZ. A month or so back, the color schemes began
misbehaving...at times at bootup time, later while in session. It kept
swithcing from correct shade to no color, at all. By moving the Monitor or
the Tower, it appeared to restore the color, but not always. I re-installed
the Video Drivers, but no go. Suspecting loose connections, I opened the case
and re-seated the cards and the cables attachements. That appeared to do some
good, but soon it started misbehaving, again. In the meantime, the system had
stopped seeing the Iomega Zip drive and the CD Drive. Twice I reseated the
cables on those units (power and signal), but no go. On one occasion, while
the Computer was on, I removed the power cable of the Iomega Drive and while
re-attaching it, I must have touched a bad spot, since the power to the tower
was cut off. A short, perhaps. That was it!

"letterman@invalid.com" wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:20:02 -0800, BAP
> <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started having
> >problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a secondary
> >Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them. The
> >prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored Data.
> >The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family photos.
> >Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine and
> >get the info that I would like to save?
> >Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
> >Thank you!
>
> YES. but dont try to install them on a real new machine. Some of the
> computers made in the last few years dont have drivers for Win98. I'd
> find a machine from the same era. In other words it you had them in a
> 500mhz Pentium II, I'd look for something like an 800mhz Pentium II or
> III.
>
> I have the very same installation of Win98se that I installed in 1999.
> It was in a Pentium 266mhz. Since then I moved it to another Pentium
> 266, then to a PII 500mhz, then to a PII 800mhz, and now it's in a
> PIII 1000mhz. Every time I have had to insert the Win98 install CD to
> get the drivers to work with the motherboard, video card (if changed),
> etc....
>
> That's why I like 98. You CAN NOT do that with Win2K, XP or anything
> newer. From waht I know, if the XP computer dies, you either have to
> find an identical motherboard, or you lose all data (or have to get an
> expensive data retrieval company involved). For that reason, I won't
> even touch XP or Vista.
>
> I'm not sure of WinME allows for this or not.
>
> The whole issue comes down to the format of the hard drive. If it's a
> FAT32, you can still read the data, even from DOS. Actually, you
> could boot those drives from DOS and save your photos and stuff, but
> you'll lose the long filenames. (Of course they could be renamed back
> later if you know what to name them, and have a lot of time to spend).
>
> You did not say what's wrong with your computer, or what speed it is.
> Maybe it just needs a new Ram stick or video card or something. Tell
> us what's wrong.....
>
> And, YES, you could install Win98se on another computer (from
> scratch), and still plug in your secondary hard drive and you'll see
> all your data. I actually have one drive that is nothing but storage.
> In other words, my OS and programs are on the FIRST harddrive. My
> storage is all on a SECOND (slave) drive. I have a 3rd drive, which
> is where I moved a bunch of storage when I ran out of space on the
> regular one. I just unplugged one of the CD drives, and plugged in
> the 3rd drive, moved a bunch of stuff to drive 3, and when I was done,
> I unplugged it, plugged back my CD drive and put that drive in a safe
> place. I dont burn CDs or DVDs, I just store stuff on harddrives and
> have a copy of each drive as a backup. I had too many "homemade" CDs
> fail in the past. I dont trust them.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>

 

[MEB]

"BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:618AD7DC-73EC-402E-8FD3-73D68B4BB9D5@microsoft.com...
| I will need some time to digest what you are saying.
| Thank you for your reply!
| As far as the other machine ...it was assembled by Microtime...no longsr
in
| the area.... in 1999. A 400 MHZ. A month or so back, the color schemes
began
| misbehaving...at times at bootup time, later while in session. It kept
| swithcing from correct shade to no color, at all. By moving the Monitor or
| the Tower, it appeared to restore the color, but not always. I
re-installed
| the Video Drivers, but no go. Suspecting loose connections, I opened the
case
| and re-seated the cards and the cables attachements. That appeared to do
some
| good, but soon it started misbehaving, again.

A potential cause could be the connectors. They rely upon two *fingers*
inside the connecotrs for each pin, pressing upon the outside of the pin.
The weight of the cord will over time cause these fingers to expand.[in
addition to hot and cold] causing poor connections. Another would be the
known value of corrosion and its effect on these same parts. Additionally,
the monitor connectors MAY have broken their soldered connection.
Another would be, particularly if the cord drapes over the back of a desk,
the potential break of the internal wires in the cord. This also places
addition stress on those connectins. Moving the computer or montitor may
cause these issues to temporarily seem to be fixed.

| In the meantime, the system had
| stopped seeing the Iomega Zip drive and the CD Drive. Twice I reseated the
| cables on those units (power and signal), but no go. On one occasion,
while
| the Computer was on, I removed the power cable of the Iomega Drive and
while
| re-attaching it, I must have touched a bad spot, since the power to the
tower
| was cut off. A short, perhaps. That was it!

Well, depending upon how familiar you are with power supplies, you may have
caused a short which has blown out one of the internal fuses. If you're
interested, check those, IF what you're indicating is that this old computer
will no longer start or boot..

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________


|
| "letterman@invalid.com" wrote:
|
| > On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:20:02 -0800, BAP
| > <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
| >
| > >For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started
having
| > >problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
secondary
| > >Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them.
The
| > >prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored
Data.
| > >The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family
photos.
| > >Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine
and
| > >get the info that I would like to save?
| > >Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
| > >Thank you!
| >
| > YES. but dont try to install them on a real new machine. Some of the
| > computers made in the last few years dont have drivers for Win98. I'd
| > find a machine from the same era. In other words it you had them in a
| > 500mhz Pentium II, I'd look for something like an 800mhz Pentium II or
| > III.
| >
| > I have the very same installation of Win98se that I installed in 1999.
| > It was in a Pentium 266mhz. Since then I moved it to another Pentium
| > 266, then to a PII 500mhz, then to a PII 800mhz, and now it's in a
| > PIII 1000mhz. Every time I have had to insert the Win98 install CD to
| > get the drivers to work with the motherboard, video card (if changed),
| > etc....
| >
| > That's why I like 98. You CAN NOT do that with Win2K, XP or anything
| > newer. From waht I know, if the XP computer dies, you either have to
| > find an identical motherboard, or you lose all data (or have to get an
| > expensive data retrieval company involved). For that reason, I won't
| > even touch XP or Vista.
| >
| > I'm not sure of WinME allows for this or not.
| >
| > The whole issue comes down to the format of the hard drive. If it's a
| > FAT32, you can still read the data, even from DOS. Actually, you
| > could boot those drives from DOS and save your photos and stuff, but
| > you'll lose the long filenames. (Of course they could be renamed back
| > later if you know what to name them, and have a lot of time to spend).
| >
| > You did not say what's wrong with your computer, or what speed it is.
| > Maybe it just needs a new Ram stick or video card or something. Tell
| > us what's wrong.....
| >
| > And, YES, you could install Win98se on another computer (from
| > scratch), and still plug in your secondary hard drive and you'll see
| > all your data. I actually have one drive that is nothing but storage.
| > In other words, my OS and programs are on the FIRST harddrive. My
| > storage is all on a SECOND (slave) drive. I have a 3rd drive, which
| > is where I moved a bunch of storage when I ran out of space on the
| > regular one. I just unplugged one of the CD drives, and plugged in
| > the 3rd drive, moved a bunch of stuff to drive 3, and when I was done,
| > I unplugged it, plugged back my CD drive and put that drive in a safe
| > place. I dont burn CDs or DVDs, I just store stuff on harddrives and
| > have a copy of each drive as a backup. I had too many "homemade" CDs
| > fail in the past. I dont trust them.
| >
| > Hope this helps.
| >
| >
| >

 

[BAP]

"MEB", a strange thing happened after I moved the Computer and Monitor to
another location. I reconnected everything, powered them up and,
surprisingly, it did re-start. However, like before, the Monitor light from
'green' changed to 'red' and the tower would make a clicking sound and no-go.
And, like before, I had to coordinate the timing of powering up the two
components in order to get the system to boot properly. However, on the first
successful boot, like before, the CD and Zip drives were not seen, although
they responded in accepting and releasing the disks. Currently, however, it
just boots up to a point where it warns that the Keyboard is not attached and
that's it. I tried another keyboard, but...no-go.
If I want to pursue it, I will need to disconnect all the cables, dust up
all that I can, re-cable all and see what happens.
Thank you, "MEB", but I am not sure about it all.


"MEB" wrote:

>
>
> "BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:618AD7DC-73EC-402E-8FD3-73D68B4BB9D5@microsoft.com...
> | I will need some time to digest what you are saying.
> | Thank you for your reply!
> | As far as the other machine ...it was assembled by Microtime...no longsr
> in
> | the area.... in 1999. A 400 MHZ. A month or so back, the color schemes
> began
> | misbehaving...at times at bootup time, later while in session. It kept
> | swithcing from correct shade to no color, at all. By moving the Monitor or
> | the Tower, it appeared to restore the color, but not always. I
> re-installed
> | the Video Drivers, but no go. Suspecting loose connections, I opened the
> case
> | and re-seated the cards and the cables attachements. That appeared to do
> some
> | good, but soon it started misbehaving, again.
>
> A potential cause could be the connectors. They rely upon two *fingers*
> inside the connecotrs for each pin, pressing upon the outside of the pin.
> The weight of the cord will over time cause these fingers to expand.[in
> addition to hot and cold] causing poor connections. Another would be the
> known value of corrosion and its effect on these same parts. Additionally,
> the monitor connectors MAY have broken their soldered connection.
> Another would be, particularly if the cord drapes over the back of a desk,
> the potential break of the internal wires in the cord. This also places
> addition stress on those connectins. Moving the computer or montitor may
> cause these issues to temporarily seem to be fixed.
>
> | In the meantime, the system had
> | stopped seeing the Iomega Zip drive and the CD Drive. Twice I reseated the
> | cables on those units (power and signal), but no go. On one occasion,
> while
> | the Computer was on, I removed the power cable of the Iomega Drive and
> while
> | re-attaching it, I must have touched a bad spot, since the power to the
> tower
> | was cut off. A short, perhaps. That was it!
>
> Well, depending upon how familiar you are with power supplies, you may have
> caused a short which has blown out one of the internal fuses. If you're
> interested, check those, IF what you're indicating is that this old computer
> will no longer start or boot..
>
> --
>
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> _________
>
>
> |
> | "letterman@invalid.com" wrote:
> |
> | > On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:20:02 -0800, BAP
> | > <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> | >
> | > >For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started
> having
> | > >problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
> secondary
> | > >Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them.
> The
> | > >prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored
> Data.
> | > >The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family
> photos.
> | > >Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine
> and
> | > >get the info that I would like to save?
> | > >Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
> | > >Thank you!
> | >
> | > YES. but dont try to install them on a real new machine. Some of the
> | > computers made in the last few years dont have drivers for Win98. I'd
> | > find a machine from the same era. In other words it you had them in a
> | > 500mhz Pentium II, I'd look for something like an 800mhz Pentium II or
> | > III.
> | >
> | > I have the very same installation of Win98se that I installed in 1999.
> | > It was in a Pentium 266mhz. Since then I moved it to another Pentium
> | > 266, then to a PII 500mhz, then to a PII 800mhz, and now it's in a
> | > PIII 1000mhz. Every time I have had to insert the Win98 install CD to
> | > get the drivers to work with the motherboard, video card (if changed),
> | > etc....
> | >
> | > That's why I like 98. You CAN NOT do that with Win2K, XP or anything
> | > newer. From waht I know, if the XP computer dies, you either have to
> | > find an identical motherboard, or you lose all data (or have to get an
> | > expensive data retrieval company involved). For that reason, I won't
> | > even touch XP or Vista.
> | >
> | > I'm not sure of WinME allows for this or not.
> | >
> | > The whole issue comes down to the format of the hard drive. If it's a
> | > FAT32, you can still read the data, even from DOS. Actually, you
> | > could boot those drives from DOS and save your photos and stuff, but
> | > you'll lose the long filenames. (Of course they could be renamed back
> | > later if you know what to name them, and have a lot of time to spend).
> | >
> | > You did not say what's wrong with your computer, or what speed it is.
> | > Maybe it just needs a new Ram stick or video card or something. Tell
> | > us what's wrong.....
> | >
> | > And, YES, you could install Win98se on another computer (from
> | > scratch), and still plug in your secondary hard drive and you'll see
> | > all your data. I actually have one drive that is nothing but storage.
> | > In other words, my OS and programs are on the FIRST harddrive. My
> | > storage is all on a SECOND (slave) drive. I have a 3rd drive, which
> | > is where I moved a bunch of storage when I ran out of space on the
> | > regular one. I just unplugged one of the CD drives, and plugged in
> | > the 3rd drive, moved a bunch of stuff to drive 3, and when I was done,
> | > I unplugged it, plugged back my CD drive and put that drive in a safe
> | > place. I dont burn CDs or DVDs, I just store stuff on harddrives and
> | > have a copy of each drive as a backup. I had too many "homemade" CDs
> | > fail in the past. I dont trust them.
> | >
> | > Hope this helps.
> | >
> | >
> | >
>
>
>

 

[MEB]

"BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:07352F95-BB00-4FB9-A0BC-8C28FE419DA7@microsoft.com...
| "MEB", a strange thing happened after I moved the Computer and Monitor to
| another location. I reconnected everything, powered them up and,
| surprisingly, it did re-start. However, like before, the Monitor light
from
| 'green' changed to 'red' and the tower would make a clicking sound and
no-go.
| And, like before, I had to coordinate the timing of powering up the two
| components in order to get the system to boot properly. However, on the
first
| successful boot, like before, the CD and Zip drives were not seen,
although
| they responded in accepting and releasing the disks. Currently, however,
it
| just boots up to a point where it warns that the Keyboard is not attached
and
| that's it. I tried another keyboard, but...no-go.
| If I want to pursue it, I will need to disconnect all the cables, dust up
| all that I can, re-cable all and see what happens.
| Thank you, "MEB", but I am not sure about it all.
|

Oh, okay, then if you decide to attempt this at some future date there may
be something else to try.

As you appear to get an initial finding of the peripherals except the
keyboard on POST you might try to refresh the BIOS with a BIOS flash for
that motherboard. This would be accomplished with a floppy disk created to
automatically boot and flash the motherboard. At this point it appears that
this may be a potential fix as there have been findings related to
successful use of this technique to reset corrupted BIOS due to electrical
issues, spikes, etc..

First, if at all possible, remove the CMOS battery for about 10 minutes to
completely remove any old settings, re-insert after checking whether it is
still good [generally 3+ volts] replace if needed [likely CR2032], and run
the floppy flash disk. Remember to re-set any Bios settings if this appears
to initially correct the issues.

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________


|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
| >
| >
| > "BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > news:618AD7DC-73EC-402E-8FD3-73D68B4BB9D5@microsoft.com...
| > | I will need some time to digest what you are saying.
| > | Thank you for your reply!
| > | As far as the other machine ...it was assembled by Microtime...no
longsr
| > in
| > | the area.... in 1999. A 400 MHZ. A month or so back, the color schemes
| > began
| > | misbehaving...at times at bootup time, later while in session. It kept
| > | swithcing from correct shade to no color, at all. By moving the
Monitor or
| > | the Tower, it appeared to restore the color, but not always. I
| > re-installed
| > | the Video Drivers, but no go. Suspecting loose connections, I opened
the
| > case
| > | and re-seated the cards and the cables attachements. That appeared to
do
| > some
| > | good, but soon it started misbehaving, again.
| >
| > A potential cause could be the connectors. They rely upon two *fingers*
| > inside the connecotrs for each pin, pressing upon the outside of the
pin.
| > The weight of the cord will over time cause these fingers to expand.[in
| > addition to hot and cold] causing poor connections. Another would be the
| > known value of corrosion and its effect on these same parts.
Additionally,
| > the monitor connectors MAY have broken their soldered connection.
| > Another would be, particularly if the cord drapes over the back of a
desk,
| > the potential break of the internal wires in the cord. This also places
| > addition stress on those connectins. Moving the computer or montitor may
| > cause these issues to temporarily seem to be fixed.
| >
| > | In the meantime, the system had
| > | stopped seeing the Iomega Zip drive and the CD Drive. Twice I reseated
the
| > | cables on those units (power and signal), but no go. On one occasion,
| > while
| > | the Computer was on, I removed the power cable of the Iomega Drive and
| > while
| > | re-attaching it, I must have touched a bad spot, since the power to
the
| > tower
| > | was cut off. A short, perhaps. That was it!
| >
| > Well, depending upon how familiar you are with power supplies, you may
have
| > caused a short which has blown out one of the internal fuses. If you're
| > interested, check those, IF what you're indicating is that this old
computer
| > will no longer start or boot..
| >
| > --
| >
| > MEB
| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > _________
| >
| >
| > |
| > | "letterman@invalid.com" wrote:
| > |
| > | > On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:20:02 -0800, BAP
| > | > <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
| > | >
| > | > >For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started
| > having
| > | > >problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
| > secondary
| > | > >Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from
them.
| > The
| > | > >prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good
stored
| > Data.
| > | > >The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family
| > photos.
| > | > >Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another
machine
| > and
| > | > >get the info that I would like to save?
| > | > >Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
| > | > >Thank you!
| > | >
| > | > YES. but dont try to install them on a real new machine. Some of
the
| > | > computers made in the last few years dont have drivers for Win98.
I'd
| > | > find a machine from the same era. In other words it you had them in
a
| > | > 500mhz Pentium II, I'd look for something like an 800mhz Pentium II
or
| > | > III.
| > | >
| > | > I have the very same installation of Win98se that I installed in
1999.
| > | > It was in a Pentium 266mhz. Since then I moved it to another
Pentium
| > | > 266, then to a PII 500mhz, then to a PII 800mhz, and now it's in a
| > | > PIII 1000mhz. Every time I have had to insert the Win98 install CD
to
| > | > get the drivers to work with the motherboard, video card (if
changed),
| > | > etc....
| > | >
| > | > That's why I like 98. You CAN NOT do that with Win2K, XP or
anything
| > | > newer. From waht I know, if the XP computer dies, you either have
to
| > | > find an identical motherboard, or you lose all data (or have to get
an
| > | > expensive data retrieval company involved). For that reason, I
won't
| > | > even touch XP or Vista.
| > | >
| > | > I'm not sure of WinME allows for this or not.
| > | >
| > | > The whole issue comes down to the format of the hard drive. If it's
a
| > | > FAT32, you can still read the data, even from DOS. Actually, you
| > | > could boot those drives from DOS and save your photos and stuff, but
| > | > you'll lose the long filenames. (Of course they could be renamed
back
| > | > later if you know what to name them, and have a lot of time to
spend).
| > | >
| > | > You did not say what's wrong with your computer, or what speed it
is.
| > | > Maybe it just needs a new Ram stick or video card or something.
Tell
| > | > us what's wrong.....
| > | >
| > | > And, YES, you could install Win98se on another computer (from
| > | > scratch), and still plug in your secondary hard drive and you'll see
| > | > all your data. I actually have one drive that is nothing but
storage.
| > | > In other words, my OS and programs are on the FIRST harddrive. My
| > | > storage is all on a SECOND (slave) drive. I have a 3rd drive, which
| > | > is where I moved a bunch of storage when I ran out of space on the
| > | > regular one. I just unplugged one of the CD drives, and plugged in
| > | > the 3rd drive, moved a bunch of stuff to drive 3, and when I was
done,
| > | > I unplugged it, plugged back my CD drive and put that drive in a
safe
| > | > place. I dont burn CDs or DVDs, I just store stuff on harddrives
and
| > | > have a copy of each drive as a backup. I had too many "homemade"
CDs
| > | > fail in the past. I dont trust them.
| > | >
| > | > Hope this helps.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
| >

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Yes. Just make sure you jumper them properly EACH TIME you make any changes
in the hookups. Note that you will have to move the data to the Primary
(your main operating drive). Is there enough room there?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:41CD7E92-5DE4-4253-9579-68F13A1DA6C4@microsoft.com...
>I am not sure if I can get anywwhere with the troubled machine.
> I do have an older one that might still be working and appears to have a
> spot for a secondary HD. The one that I am curremtly using is a Sony with
> a
> primary HD with W98ME and a secondary HD for Data storage. Would it be OK
> to
> remove the Secondary HD and attach either the Primary (with W98SE) or
> Secondary HD from the troubled computer and be successful?
> Thank you for your reply!
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>
>> You fix the existing computer or you insert the drives into a
>> functionining
>> computer and read off the data. Do you know how to do that?
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>> "BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:6CA9ADED-E25C-43A8-A8FF-9C22E794287D@microsoft.com...
>> > For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started
>> > having
>> > problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
>> > secondary
>> > Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them.
>> > The
>> > prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored
>> > Data.
>> > The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family
>> > photos.
>> > Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine
>> > and
>> > get the info that I would like to save?
>> > Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
>> > Thank you!
>> >
>>
>>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:2kaqr31m82ubqlbmhrph3rruuvqaaitecl@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:20:02 -0800, BAP
> <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started having
>>problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
>>secondary
>>Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them. The
>>prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored
>>Data.
>>The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family photos.
>>Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine and
>>get the info that I would like to save?
>>Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
>>Thank you!
>
> YES. but dont try to install them on a real new machine. Some of the
> computers made in the last few years dont have drivers for Win98. I'd
> find a machine from the same era. In other words it you had them in a
> 500mhz Pentium II, I'd look for something like an 800mhz Pentium II or
> III.

Installing the drives in a new system as the operating system is always a
mess and seldom totally successful. Adding the drives to a machine with an
existing OS is the way to do it.

> I have the very same installation of Win98se that I installed in 1999.
> It was in a Pentium 266mhz. Since then I moved it to another Pentium
> 266, then to a PII 500mhz, then to a PII 800mhz, and now it's in a
> PIII 1000mhz. Every time I have had to insert the Win98 install CD to
> get the drivers to work with the motherboard, video card (if changed),
> etc....
>
> That's why I like 98. You CAN NOT do that with Win2K, XP or anything
> newer. From waht I know, if the XP computer dies, you either have to
> find an identical motherboard, or you lose all data (or have to get an
> expensive data retrieval company involved). For that reason, I won't
> even touch XP or Vista.

Pure, unadulterated BS. I do it all the time and it works a LOT better than
Windows 98's methods. I can take WinXP OS disk, stick it in damned near any
XP-ready machine, and it will automatically update all drivers and start
running as if it was still in the old machine. And you can read all the
files just fine. So, if your "bad" machine is Win9x (and thus FAT or FAT32),
you can put the entire set of disks into another machine and go through
nightmares getting it to run (new drivers and all), or you can put the disks
into ANY other system that can read FAT/FAT32 and read the files just fine,
presuming data recovery is your only goal.

> I'm not sure of WinME allows for this or not.
>
> The whole issue comes down to the format of the hard drive. If it's a
> FAT32, you can still read the data, even from DOS. Actually, you
> could boot those drives from DOS and save your photos and stuff, but
> you'll lose the long filenames. (Of course they could be renamed back
> later if you know what to name them, and have a lot of time to spend).
>
> You did not say what's wrong with your computer, or what speed it is.
> Maybe it just needs a new Ram stick or video card or something. Tell
> us what's wrong.....
>
> And, YES, you could install Win98se on another computer (from
> scratch), and still plug in your secondary hard drive and you'll see
> all your data. I actually have one drive that is nothing but storage.
> In other words, my OS and programs are on the FIRST harddrive. My
> storage is all on a SECOND (slave) drive. I have a 3rd drive, which
> is where I moved a bunch of storage when I ran out of space on the
> regular one. I just unplugged one of the CD drives, and plugged in
> the 3rd drive, moved a bunch of stuff to drive 3, and when I was done,
> I unplugged it, plugged back my CD drive and put that drive in a safe
> place. I dont burn CDs or DVDs, I just store stuff on harddrives and
> have a copy of each drive as a backup. I had too many "homemade" CDs
> fail in the past. I dont trust them.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Nevermind, he was mostly wrong.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:618AD7DC-73EC-402E-8FD3-73D68B4BB9D5@microsoft.com...
>I will need some time to digest what you are saying.
> Thank you for your reply!
> As far as the other machine ...it was assembled by Microtime...no longsr
> in
> the area.... in 1999. A 400 MHZ. A month or so back, the color schemes
> began
> misbehaving...at times at bootup time, later while in session. It kept
> swithcing from correct shade to no color, at all. By moving the Monitor or
> the Tower, it appeared to restore the color, but not always. I
> re-installed
> the Video Drivers, but no go. Suspecting loose connections, I opened the
> case
> and re-seated the cards and the cables attachements. That appeared to do
> some
> good, but soon it started misbehaving, again. In the meantime, the system
> had
> stopped seeing the Iomega Zip drive and the CD Drive. Twice I reseated the
> cables on those units (power and signal), but no go. On one occasion,
> while
> the Computer was on, I removed the power cable of the Iomega Drive and
> while
> re-attaching it, I must have touched a bad spot, since the power to the
> tower
> was cut off. A short, perhaps. That was it!
>
> "letterman@invalid.com" wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:20:02 -0800, BAP
>> <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started
>> >having
>> >problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
>> >secondary
>> >Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them.
>> >The
>> >prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored
>> >Data.
>> >The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family
>> >photos.
>> >Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine
>> >and
>> >get the info that I would like to save?
>> >Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
>> >Thank you!
>>
>> YES. but dont try to install them on a real new machine. Some of the
>> computers made in the last few years dont have drivers for Win98. I'd
>> find a machine from the same era. In other words it you had them in a
>> 500mhz Pentium II, I'd look for something like an 800mhz Pentium II or
>> III.
>>
>> I have the very same installation of Win98se that I installed in 1999.
>> It was in a Pentium 266mhz. Since then I moved it to another Pentium
>> 266, then to a PII 500mhz, then to a PII 800mhz, and now it's in a
>> PIII 1000mhz. Every time I have had to insert the Win98 install CD to
>> get the drivers to work with the motherboard, video card (if changed),
>> etc....
>>
>> That's why I like 98. You CAN NOT do that with Win2K, XP or anything
>> newer. From waht I know, if the XP computer dies, you either have to
>> find an identical motherboard, or you lose all data (or have to get an
>> expensive data retrieval company involved). For that reason, I won't
>> even touch XP or Vista.
>>
>> I'm not sure of WinME allows for this or not.
>>
>> The whole issue comes down to the format of the hard drive. If it's a
>> FAT32, you can still read the data, even from DOS. Actually, you
>> could boot those drives from DOS and save your photos and stuff, but
>> you'll lose the long filenames. (Of course they could be renamed back
>> later if you know what to name them, and have a lot of time to spend).
>>
>> You did not say what's wrong with your computer, or what speed it is.
>> Maybe it just needs a new Ram stick or video card or something. Tell
>> us what's wrong.....
>>
>> And, YES, you could install Win98se on another computer (from
>> scratch), and still plug in your secondary hard drive and you'll see
>> all your data. I actually have one drive that is nothing but storage.
>> In other words, my OS and programs are on the FIRST harddrive. My
>> storage is all on a SECOND (slave) drive. I have a 3rd drive, which
>> is where I moved a bunch of storage when I ran out of space on the
>> regular one. I just unplugged one of the CD drives, and plugged in
>> the 3rd drive, moved a bunch of stuff to drive 3, and when I was done,
>> I unplugged it, plugged back my CD drive and put that drive in a safe
>> place. I dont burn CDs or DVDs, I just store stuff on harddrives and
>> have a copy of each drive as a backup. I had too many "homemade" CDs
>> fail in the past. I dont trust them.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>

 

[Brian A.]

<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:2kaqr31m82ubqlbmhrph3rruuvqaaitecl@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:20:02 -0800, BAP
> <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started having
>>problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a secondary
>>Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them. The
>>prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored Data.
>>The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family photos.
>>Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine and
>>get the info that I would like to save?
>>Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
>>Thank you!
>
> YES. but dont try to install them on a real new machine. Some of the
> computers made in the last few years dont have drivers for Win98. I'd
> find a machine from the same era. In other words it you had them in a
> 500mhz Pentium II, I'd look for something like an 800mhz Pentium II or
> III.
>
> I have the very same installation of Win98se that I installed in 1999.
> It was in a Pentium 266mhz. Since then I moved it to another Pentium
> 266, then to a PII 500mhz, then to a PII 800mhz, and now it's in a
> PIII 1000mhz. Every time I have had to insert the Win98 install CD to
> get the drivers to work with the motherboard, video card (if changed),
> etc....

That's what happens when major components are changed and the harware is no longer
enumerated in the registry. The last thing I would do is reinstall all of the
drivers again without ripping out the ones used in the previous machine, even better
I'd yank the entire Enum key and let it rebuild.

>
> That's why I like 98. You CAN NOT do that with Win2K, XP or anything
> newer. From waht I know, if the XP computer dies, you either have to
> find an identical motherboard, or you lose all data (or have to get an
> expensive data retrieval company involved). For that reason, I won't
> even touch XP or Vista.

Says who and since when? All I know is they never passed the word on to me, most
likely because they knew better than to try to feed me that type eltoro caca. I've
repaired, upgraded and rebuilt many machines that appeared to be dead without using
identical components. For the simple fact that any component(s) may fail at any time
for various reasons, does not in any way mean that the user has lost all of their
data. The only way their data would be a total lost to the wind is if the hard drive
itself had a catastrophic failure due to wear and tear, another component failure
took it out with it or a number of many other causes.

One issue that is present is if an OEM machines motherboard bites the big one and
it has to be replaced. Many OEM machines lock the OS to the BIOS of the motherboard
and although there are ways to circumvent around that if a different motherboard is
installed, it does not always work and an identical one must be installed. Again,
that in no way would be a loss of all data if the drive didn't take a hit. Can you
say Repair Install?




--


Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

 

[MEB]

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:et7D2dkdIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| Nevermind, he was mostly wrong.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com

Huh, you referring to me... care to place a bet that this could not be an
issues at times???

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________


|
| "BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| news:618AD7DC-73EC-402E-8FD3-73D68B4BB9D5@microsoft.com...
| >I will need some time to digest what you are saying.
| > Thank you for your reply!
| > As far as the other machine ...it was assembled by Microtime...no longsr
| > in
| > the area.... in 1999. A 400 MHZ. A month or so back, the color schemes
| > began
| > misbehaving...at times at bootup time, later while in session. It kept
| > swithcing from correct shade to no color, at all. By moving the Monitor
or
| > the Tower, it appeared to restore the color, but not always. I
| > re-installed
| > the Video Drivers, but no go. Suspecting loose connections, I opened the
| > case
| > and re-seated the cards and the cables attachements. That appeared to do
| > some
| > good, but soon it started misbehaving, again. In the meantime, the
system
| > had
| > stopped seeing the Iomega Zip drive and the CD Drive. Twice I reseated
the
| > cables on those units (power and signal), but no go. On one occasion,
| > while
| > the Computer was on, I removed the power cable of the Iomega Drive and
| > while
| > re-attaching it, I must have touched a bad spot, since the power to the
| > tower
| > was cut off. A short, perhaps. That was it!
| >
| > "letterman@invalid.com" wrote:
| >
| >> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:20:02 -0800, BAP
| >> <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
| >>
| >> >For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started
| >> >having
| >> >problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
| >> >secondary
| >> >Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them.
| >> >The
| >> >prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good
stored
| >> >Data.
| >> >The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family
| >> >photos.
| >> >Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine
| >> >and
| >> >get the info that I would like to save?
| >> >Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
| >> >Thank you!
| >>
| >> YES. but dont try to install them on a real new machine. Some of the
| >> computers made in the last few years dont have drivers for Win98. I'd
| >> find a machine from the same era. In other words it you had them in a
| >> 500mhz Pentium II, I'd look for something like an 800mhz Pentium II or
| >> III.
| >>
| >> I have the very same installation of Win98se that I installed in 1999.
| >> It was in a Pentium 266mhz. Since then I moved it to another Pentium
| >> 266, then to a PII 500mhz, then to a PII 800mhz, and now it's in a
| >> PIII 1000mhz. Every time I have had to insert the Win98 install CD to
| >> get the drivers to work with the motherboard, video card (if changed),
| >> etc....
| >>
| >> That's why I like 98. You CAN NOT do that with Win2K, XP or anything
| >> newer. From waht I know, if the XP computer dies, you either have to
| >> find an identical motherboard, or you lose all data (or have to get an
| >> expensive data retrieval company involved). For that reason, I won't
| >> even touch XP or Vista.
| >>
| >> I'm not sure of WinME allows for this or not.
| >>
| >> The whole issue comes down to the format of the hard drive. If it's a
| >> FAT32, you can still read the data, even from DOS. Actually, you
| >> could boot those drives from DOS and save your photos and stuff, but
| >> you'll lose the long filenames. (Of course they could be renamed back
| >> later if you know what to name them, and have a lot of time to spend).
| >>
| >> You did not say what's wrong with your computer, or what speed it is.
| >> Maybe it just needs a new Ram stick or video card or something. Tell
| >> us what's wrong.....
| >>
| >> And, YES, you could install Win98se on another computer (from
| >> scratch), and still plug in your secondary hard drive and you'll see
| >> all your data. I actually have one drive that is nothing but storage.
| >> In other words, my OS and programs are on the FIRST harddrive. My
| >> storage is all on a SECOND (slave) drive. I have a 3rd drive, which
| >> is where I moved a bunch of storage when I ran out of space on the
| >> regular one. I just unplugged one of the CD drives, and plugged in
| >> the 3rd drive, moved a bunch of stuff to drive 3, and when I was done,
| >> I unplugged it, plugged back my CD drive and put that drive in a safe
| >> place. I dont burn CDs or DVDs, I just store stuff on harddrives and
| >> have a copy of each drive as a backup. I had too many "homemade" CDs
| >> fail in the past. I dont trust them.
| >>
| >> Hope this helps.
| >>
| >>
| >>
|

 

[MEB]

So you're saying you no longer have to register/activate the XP OS?

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"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:%23Md4FcldIHA.5416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
| news:2kaqr31m82ubqlbmhrph3rruuvqaaitecl@4ax.com...
| > On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:20:02 -0800, BAP
| > <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
| >
| >>For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started
having
| >>problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
secondary
| >>Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from them.
The
| >>prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good stored
Data.
| >>The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family
photos.
| >>Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another machine
and
| >>get the info that I would like to save?
| >>Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
| >>Thank you!
| >
| > YES. but dont try to install them on a real new machine. Some of the
| > computers made in the last few years dont have drivers for Win98. I'd
| > find a machine from the same era. In other words it you had them in a
| > 500mhz Pentium II, I'd look for something like an 800mhz Pentium II or
| > III.
| >
| > I have the very same installation of Win98se that I installed in 1999.
| > It was in a Pentium 266mhz. Since then I moved it to another Pentium
| > 266, then to a PII 500mhz, then to a PII 800mhz, and now it's in a
| > PIII 1000mhz. Every time I have had to insert the Win98 install CD to
| > get the drivers to work with the motherboard, video card (if changed),
| > etc....
|
| That's what happens when major components are changed and the harware is
no longer
| enumerated in the registry. The last thing I would do is reinstall all of
the
| drivers again without ripping out the ones used in the previous machine,
even better
| I'd yank the entire Enum key and let it rebuild.
|
| >
| > That's why I like 98. You CAN NOT do that with Win2K, XP or anything
| > newer. From waht I know, if the XP computer dies, you either have to
| > find an identical motherboard, or you lose all data (or have to get an
| > expensive data retrieval company involved). For that reason, I won't
| > even touch XP or Vista.
|
| Says who and since when? All I know is they never passed the word on to
me, most
| likely because they knew better than to try to feed me that type eltoro
caca. I've
| repaired, upgraded and rebuilt many machines that appeared to be dead
without using
| identical components. For the simple fact that any component(s) may fail
at any time
| for various reasons, does not in any way mean that the user has lost all
of their
| data. The only way their data would be a total lost to the wind is if the
hard drive
| itself had a catastrophic failure due to wear and tear, another component
failure
| took it out with it or a number of many other causes.
|
| One issue that is present is if an OEM machines motherboard bites the
big one and
| it has to be replaced. Many OEM machines lock the OS to the BIOS of the
motherboard
| and although there are ways to circumvent around that if a different
motherboard is
| installed, it does not always work and an identical one must be installed.
Again,
| that in no way would be a loss of all data if the drive didn't take a hit.
Can you
| say Repair Install?
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
| Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
| Conflicts start where information lacks.
| http://basconotw.mvps.org/
|
| Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
|
|

 

[MEB]

Sorry Gary, should have actually LOOKED at who was referenced, my mistake...

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"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:u1FMb4odIHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| news:et7D2dkdIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| | Nevermind, he was mostly wrong.
| |
| | --
| | Gary S. Terhune
| | MS-MVP Shell/User
| | www.grystmill.com
|
| Huh, you referring to me... care to place a bet that this could not be an
| issues at times???
|
| --
|
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| _________
|
|
| |
| | "BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| | news:618AD7DC-73EC-402E-8FD3-73D68B4BB9D5@microsoft.com...
| | >I will need some time to digest what you are saying.
| | > Thank you for your reply!
| | > As far as the other machine ...it was assembled by Microtime...no
longsr
| | > in
| | > the area.... in 1999. A 400 MHZ. A month or so back, the color schemes
| | > began
| | > misbehaving...at times at bootup time, later while in session. It kept
| | > swithcing from correct shade to no color, at all. By moving the
Monitor
| or
| | > the Tower, it appeared to restore the color, but not always. I
| | > re-installed
| | > the Video Drivers, but no go. Suspecting loose connections, I opened
the
| | > case
| | > and re-seated the cards and the cables attachements. That appeared to
do
| | > some
| | > good, but soon it started misbehaving, again. In the meantime, the
| system
| | > had
| | > stopped seeing the Iomega Zip drive and the CD Drive. Twice I reseated
| the
| | > cables on those units (power and signal), but no go. On one occasion,
| | > while
| | > the Computer was on, I removed the power cable of the Iomega Drive and
| | > while
| | > re-attaching it, I must have touched a bad spot, since the power to
the
| | > tower
| | > was cut off. A short, perhaps. That was it!
| | >
| | > "letterman@invalid.com" wrote:
| | >
| | >> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:20:02 -0800, BAP
| | >> <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
| | >>
| | >> >For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly started
| | >> >having
| | >> >problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and a
| | >> >secondary
| | >> >Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from
them.
| | >> >The
| | >> >prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good
| stored
| | >> >Data.
| | >> >The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family
| | >> >photos.
| | >> >Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another
machine
| | >> >and
| | >> >get the info that I would like to save?
| | >> >Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
| | >> >Thank you!
| | >>
| | >> YES. but dont try to install them on a real new machine. Some of
the
| | >> computers made in the last few years dont have drivers for Win98.
I'd
| | >> find a machine from the same era. In other words it you had them in
a
| | >> 500mhz Pentium II, I'd look for something like an 800mhz Pentium II
or
| | >> III.
| | >>
| | >> I have the very same installation of Win98se that I installed in
1999.
| | >> It was in a Pentium 266mhz. Since then I moved it to another Pentium
| | >> 266, then to a PII 500mhz, then to a PII 800mhz, and now it's in a
| | >> PIII 1000mhz. Every time I have had to insert the Win98 install CD
to
| | >> get the drivers to work with the motherboard, video card (if
changed),
| | >> etc....
| | >>
| | >> That's why I like 98. You CAN NOT do that with Win2K, XP or anything
| | >> newer. From waht I know, if the XP computer dies, you either have to
| | >> find an identical motherboard, or you lose all data (or have to get
an
| | >> expensive data retrieval company involved). For that reason, I won't
| | >> even touch XP or Vista.
| | >>
| | >> I'm not sure of WinME allows for this or not.
| | >>
| | >> The whole issue comes down to the format of the hard drive. If it's
a
| | >> FAT32, you can still read the data, even from DOS. Actually, you
| | >> could boot those drives from DOS and save your photos and stuff, but
| | >> you'll lose the long filenames. (Of course they could be renamed
back
| | >> later if you know what to name them, and have a lot of time to
spend).
| | >>
| | >> You did not say what's wrong with your computer, or what speed it is.
| | >> Maybe it just needs a new Ram stick or video card or something. Tell
| | >> us what's wrong.....
| | >>
| | >> And, YES, you could install Win98se on another computer (from
| | >> scratch), and still plug in your secondary hard drive and you'll see
| | >> all your data. I actually have one drive that is nothing but
storage.
| | >> In other words, my OS and programs are on the FIRST harddrive. My
| | >> storage is all on a SECOND (slave) drive. I have a 3rd drive, which
| | >> is where I moved a bunch of storage when I ran out of space on the
| | >> regular one. I just unplugged one of the CD drives, and plugged in
| | >> the 3rd drive, moved a bunch of stuff to drive 3, and when I was
done,
| | >> I unplugged it, plugged back my CD drive and put that drive in a safe
| | >> place. I dont burn CDs or DVDs, I just store stuff on harddrives and
| | >> have a copy of each drive as a backup. I had too many "homemade" CDs
| | >> fail in the past. I dont trust them.
| | >>
| | >> Hope this helps.
| | >>
| | >>
| | >>
| |
|
|

 

[MEB]

re-sending, it may not have appeared...

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:...

| Sorry Gary, should have actually LOOKED at who was referenced, my
mistake...
|
| --
|
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| _________
|
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:u1FMb4odIHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| |
| |
| | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| | news:et7D2dkdIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| | | Nevermind, he was mostly wrong.
| | |
| | | --
| | | Gary S. Terhune
| | | MS-MVP Shell/User
| | | www.grystmill.com
| |
| | Huh, you referring to me... care to place a bet that this could not be
an
| | issues at times???
| |
| | --
| |
| | MEB
| | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | _________
| |
| |
| | |
| | | "BAP" <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| | | news:618AD7DC-73EC-402E-8FD3-73D68B4BB9D5@microsoft.com...
| | | >I will need some time to digest what you are saying.
| | | > Thank you for your reply!
| | | > As far as the other machine ...it was assembled by Microtime...no
| longsr
| | | > in
| | | > the area.... in 1999. A 400 MHZ. A month or so back, the color
schemes
| | | > began
| | | > misbehaving...at times at bootup time, later while in session. It
kept
| | | > swithcing from correct shade to no color, at all. By moving the
| Monitor
| | or
| | | > the Tower, it appeared to restore the color, but not always. I
| | | > re-installed
| | | > the Video Drivers, but no go. Suspecting loose connections, I opened
| the
| | | > case
| | | > and re-seated the cards and the cables attachements. That appeared
to
| do
| | | > some
| | | > good, but soon it started misbehaving, again. In the meantime, the
| | system
| | | > had
| | | > stopped seeing the Iomega Zip drive and the CD Drive. Twice I
reseated
| | the
| | | > cables on those units (power and signal), but no go. On one
occasion,
| | | > while
| | | > the Computer was on, I removed the power cable of the Iomega Drive
and
| | | > while
| | | > re-attaching it, I must have touched a bad spot, since the power to
| the
| | | > tower
| | | > was cut off. A short, perhaps. That was it!
| | | >
| | | > "letterman@invalid.com" wrote:
| | | >
| | | >> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:20:02 -0800, BAP
| | | >> <BAP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
| | | >>
| | | >> >For some time I have been using a Machine that has suddenly
started
| | | >> >having
| | | >> >problems and is, currently, not functioning. It had a primary and
a
| | | >> >secondary
| | | >> >Hard Disks with a lot of Data that I would like to retrieve from
| them.
| | | >> >The
| | | >> >prinmary has the Operating System (W98SE), along with other good
| | stored
| | | >> >Data.
| | | >> >The Secondary Disk has a lot of saved information and many family
| | | >> >photos.
| | | >> >Is there an easy way for me to install these disks on another
| machine
| | | >> >and
| | | >> >get the info that I would like to save?
| | | >> >Yes, I will back all up on CD's, once the job is done!
| | | >> >Thank you!
| | | >>
| | | >> YES. but dont try to install them on a real new machine. Some of
| the
| | | >> computers made in the last few years dont have drivers for Win98.
| I'd
| | | >> find a machine from the same era. In other words it you had them
in
| a
| | | >> 500mhz Pentium II, I'd look for something like an 800mhz Pentium II
| or
| | | >> III.
| | | >>
| | | >> I have the very same installation of Win98se that I installed in
| 1999.
| | | >> It was in a Pentium 266mhz. Since then I moved it to another
Pentium
| | | >> 266, then to a PII 500mhz, then to a PII 800mhz, and now it's in a
| | | >> PIII 1000mhz. Every time I have had to insert the Win98 install CD
| to
| | | >> get the drivers to work with the motherboard, video card (if
| changed),
| | | >> etc....
| | | >>
| | | >> That's why I like 98. You CAN NOT do that with Win2K, XP or
anything
| | | >> newer. From waht I know, if the XP computer dies, you either have
to
| | | >> find an identical motherboard, or you lose all data (or have to get
| an
| | | >> expensive data retrieval company involved). For that reason, I
won't
| | | >> even touch XP or Vista.
| | | >>
| | | >> I'm not sure of WinME allows for this or not.
| | | >>
| | | >> The whole issue comes down to the format of the hard drive. If
it's
| a
| | | >> FAT32, you can still read the data, even from DOS. Actually, you
| | | >> could boot those drives from DOS and save your photos and stuff,
but
| | | >> you'll lose the long filenames. (Of course they could be renamed
| back
| | | >> later if you know what to name them, and have a lot of time to
| spend).
| | | >>
| | | >> You did not say what's wrong with your computer, or what speed it
is.
| | | >> Maybe it just needs a new Ram stick or video card or something.
Tell
| | | >> us what's wrong.....
| | | >>
| | | >> And, YES, you could install Win98se on another computer (from
| | | >> scratch), and still plug in your secondary hard drive and you'll
see
| | | >> all your data. I actually have one drive that is nothing but
| storage.
| | | >> In other words, my OS and programs are on the FIRST harddrive. My
| | | >> storage is all on a SECOND (slave) drive. I have a 3rd drive,
which
| | | >> is where I moved a bunch of storage when I ran out of space on the
| | | >> regular one. I just unplugged one of the CD drives, and plugged in
| | | >> the 3rd drive, moved a bunch of stuff to drive 3, and when I was
| done,
| | | >> I unplugged it, plugged back my CD drive and put that drive in a
safe
| | | >> place. I dont burn CDs or DVDs, I just store stuff on harddrives
and
| | | >> have a copy of each drive as a backup. I had too many "homemade"
CDs
| | | >> fail in the past. I dont trust them.
| | | >>
| | | >> Hope this helps.
| | | >>