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MEB
Discussion was originally entitled Computer failure - 02/19/2008, poster
BAP, in this discussion forum. The discussion spread to two other computers
and issues with those and their systems and other. I have split that
discussion into separate discussions with headings for the individual
potentials/issues. Please keep these discussions separated. BAP indicated
that a discussion would be created for this computer, but I do not find it,
so...
Background, the Microtime computer had been running Windows 98SE until the
computer started to fail. Presently diagnostic routines are being run
through to attempt a recovery. This VAIO discussion concerns data recovery
from the Microtime's hard disk.
Issues are:
1. ME is the first operating system to include *Restore Points* and newer
access routines.
2. The Microtime hard drive was previously determined to have a boot manager
installed upon it. A work-around was apparently used on the Microtime
computer] to bypass that manager [see Microtime discussion for reference].
3. The fromer Microtime hard drive may not be being accessed properly on
this VAIO computer and may be causing porblems with other drives.
What the discussion still needs:
1. The model number of the VAIO.
..
-------------- ISSUES --------
BAP
E. The Sony has Windows Millennium Version 4.90.3000.
***
5. What does *fdisk /status* from the DOS prompt show?
****
BAP
On the Sony, it shows that Disk 1, has a total of 58644MB, Free 1, Usage
100%
C: 160002
D: 42641
***
BAP
| **** An additional note regarding the good Computer that I am currently
| using...Sony VAIO. 'My Computer' shows that it has a Local Disk(C
, a
Local
| Disk(D, a Compact Disk(E: CD_ROM), a Compact Disk(F: DVD), along with A:
| and an external Iomega 250 ZIP Drive. When I opened the case, I was
surprised |to see the presence of only one HD connected to the first
connector (not the end
| connector) of the cable. The end connector was open. The Primary HD has
15.5GB | capacity. The Secondary has 41.6GB. The CD-ROM and the DVD Drives
are on
| another cable.
| Any ideas?
| Thanks!
| ****
MEB - Okay, from now on refer to discussions related to that computer as the
VAIO[model]
It appears you have one hard disk partitioned into two, Windows will SHOW
them as separate
drives.
****
"MEB", I saw that the HD was partitioned, as you said, by looking at the
System Information pane of the Components/Storage Disks, in brief:
IDE Type 47, Partitions 2 total 57..27GB.
Disk 0, Partition 0, 15.63GB
Disk 0, Partition 1, 41.64GB
***
MEB:
Here are potential issues when connecting a drive to the secondary
connector on IDE0/channel1 - IRQ 14 [use SYSTEM > Device Manager > Hard Disk
Controllers > Primary IDE Controller > settings and resources to view].:
*****
Sorry, I can't seem to find my way around to get to that pane.
MEB - you are running ME which will have that in a different area.
***
MEB:
1. The present drive [apparently 60 gig] is partitioned with C {the primary
boot partition} as a
15.5 gig drive, adding another drive would move the second partition
presently being seen as the
41.6 gig drive D to drive E. The new hard drive would have to be configured
as a slave and the
first hard drive as master with their jumpers or errors and potential disk
corruption could occur.
There could also be a hidden partition involved for SONY specific recovery
or other, so it may be
larger [an 80 gig drive perhaps, though that won't presently affect what we
are discussing], what
is the actual model and make of that drive?
There MAY potentially be a hard drive conflict if the drives are not
compatible. What are the two drive's makes and models?
2. The two drives on the second channel [CD and DVD] will be moved to drive
F and G, but only IF the OS has not had its drives limited to only see
drives up to drive F: limited by either the driver settings, system
settings, or something like TweakUI which modified the registry or an
inclusion in the system.ini or config.sys [lastdrive=*]. If this is the
case, the lost/un-recognized drive will still cause errors even though it is
not listed in Windows, it is still holding memory and CMOS/BIOS addressing
which Windows may try to assign to other needs, or may cause conflicting
system device issues..
3. The Iomega drive adds potential issues to the mix if it has been set to
always use some specific drive letter or IRQ, and/or if [as sometimes
happens] it is incompatible with this older drive you are attempting to
access.
4. A drive overlay may be part of the issue, but beyond that, we may also be
running across a disk or disks which have had Drive Space or Double Space
[or another drive compressor] used.
5. Perhaps its time to do - fdisk /status - [DOS prompt] on the disk(s) to
see what that shows [using one of the working computers with the target
drive properly configured as master or slave.
BAP:
****
You must be referring to the most recent Computer, Sony.
Currently, the drives shown are: A:, C:, D:, E: CD_ROM, F: DVD and G:
external ZIP Drive. All work well, except the DVD. It does not see DVD disks
created and finalized by a an RCA DVD Player/Writer. It will see commercial
DVD disks, but there appears to be a software glitch and won't play them. I
am not too interested, at this point, to get involved with that problem. I
can easily disconnect both, the Zip and the DVD disks, if that would make it
easier to get the HDs from the failed Computer long enough until my data is
recovered.
More on this on the New Post titled 'Disk Recovery' (RE: Computer Failure )
which will concentrate on the Sony Computer. The Microtime is not
functioning. The oldest, the Risys, might have a chance at accepting the
HD(s) of the Microtime, but it does not give me a way to transfer the Data
to
other Media other than to Floppy Disks. The Sony might be the most
promising,
unless there will be compatibility issues.
***
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________
BAP, in this discussion forum. The discussion spread to two other computers
and issues with those and their systems and other. I have split that
discussion into separate discussions with headings for the individual
potentials/issues. Please keep these discussions separated. BAP indicated
that a discussion would be created for this computer, but I do not find it,
so...
Background, the Microtime computer had been running Windows 98SE until the
computer started to fail. Presently diagnostic routines are being run
through to attempt a recovery. This VAIO discussion concerns data recovery
from the Microtime's hard disk.
Issues are:
1. ME is the first operating system to include *Restore Points* and newer
access routines.
2. The Microtime hard drive was previously determined to have a boot manager
installed upon it. A work-around was apparently used on the Microtime
computer] to bypass that manager [see Microtime discussion for reference].
3. The fromer Microtime hard drive may not be being accessed properly on
this VAIO computer and may be causing porblems with other drives.
What the discussion still needs:
1. The model number of the VAIO.
..
-------------- ISSUES --------
BAP
E. The Sony has Windows Millennium Version 4.90.3000.
***
5. What does *fdisk /status* from the DOS prompt show?
****
BAP
On the Sony, it shows that Disk 1, has a total of 58644MB, Free 1, Usage
100%
C: 160002
D: 42641
***
BAP
| **** An additional note regarding the good Computer that I am currently
| using...Sony VAIO. 'My Computer' shows that it has a Local Disk(C
, aLocal
| Disk(D
, a Compact Disk(E: CD_ROM), a Compact Disk(F: DVD), along with A:| and an external Iomega 250 ZIP Drive. When I opened the case, I was
surprised |to see the presence of only one HD connected to the first
connector (not the end
| connector) of the cable. The end connector was open. The Primary HD has
15.5GB | capacity. The Secondary has 41.6GB. The CD-ROM and the DVD Drives
are on
| another cable.
| Any ideas?
| Thanks!
| ****
MEB - Okay, from now on refer to discussions related to that computer as the
VAIO[model]
It appears you have one hard disk partitioned into two, Windows will SHOW
them as separate
drives.
****
"MEB", I saw that the HD was partitioned, as you said, by looking at the
System Information pane of the Components/Storage Disks, in brief:
IDE Type 47, Partitions 2 total 57..27GB.
Disk 0, Partition 0, 15.63GB
Disk 0, Partition 1, 41.64GB
***
MEB:
Here are potential issues when connecting a drive to the secondary
connector on IDE0/channel1 - IRQ 14 [use SYSTEM > Device Manager > Hard Disk
Controllers > Primary IDE Controller > settings and resources to view].:
*****
Sorry, I can't seem to find my way around to get to that pane.
MEB - you are running ME which will have that in a different area.
***
MEB:
1. The present drive [apparently 60 gig] is partitioned with C {the primary
boot partition} as a
15.5 gig drive, adding another drive would move the second partition
presently being seen as the
41.6 gig drive D to drive E. The new hard drive would have to be configured
as a slave and the
first hard drive as master with their jumpers or errors and potential disk
corruption could occur.
There could also be a hidden partition involved for SONY specific recovery
or other, so it may be
larger [an 80 gig drive perhaps, though that won't presently affect what we
are discussing], what
is the actual model and make of that drive?
There MAY potentially be a hard drive conflict if the drives are not
compatible. What are the two drive's makes and models?
2. The two drives on the second channel [CD and DVD] will be moved to drive
F and G, but only IF the OS has not had its drives limited to only see
drives up to drive F: limited by either the driver settings, system
settings, or something like TweakUI which modified the registry or an
inclusion in the system.ini or config.sys [lastdrive=*]. If this is the
case, the lost/un-recognized drive will still cause errors even though it is
not listed in Windows, it is still holding memory and CMOS/BIOS addressing
which Windows may try to assign to other needs, or may cause conflicting
system device issues..
3. The Iomega drive adds potential issues to the mix if it has been set to
always use some specific drive letter or IRQ, and/or if [as sometimes
happens] it is incompatible with this older drive you are attempting to
access.
4. A drive overlay may be part of the issue, but beyond that, we may also be
running across a disk or disks which have had Drive Space or Double Space
[or another drive compressor] used.
5. Perhaps its time to do - fdisk /status - [DOS prompt] on the disk(s) to
see what that shows [using one of the working computers with the target
drive properly configured as master or slave.
BAP:
****
You must be referring to the most recent Computer, Sony.
Currently, the drives shown are: A:, C:, D:, E: CD_ROM, F: DVD and G:
external ZIP Drive. All work well, except the DVD. It does not see DVD disks
created and finalized by a an RCA DVD Player/Writer. It will see commercial
DVD disks, but there appears to be a software glitch and won't play them. I
am not too interested, at this point, to get involved with that problem. I
can easily disconnect both, the Zip and the DVD disks, if that would make it
easier to get the HDs from the failed Computer long enough until my data is
recovered.
More on this on the New Post titled 'Disk Recovery' (RE: Computer Failure )
which will concentrate on the Sony Computer. The Microtime is not
functioning. The oldest, the Risys, might have a chance at accepting the
HD(s) of the Microtime, but it does not give me a way to transfer the Data
to
other Media other than to Floppy Disks. The Sony might be the most
promising,
unless there will be compatibility issues.
***
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________