Large Word files and 98SE

[Graham C]

Word and Win98SE problems

I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically
400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60
Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create
these files)

There are two interesting problems:

1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double
clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to
open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With
an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But
with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:

On copying and pasting:

a) Nothing happens for around a minute
b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'
c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'
d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to
62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.

Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.

Any ideas welcome.

(I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)
Graham

 

[none]

Graham C wrote:
> Word and Win98SE problems
>
> I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically
> 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60
> Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create
> these files)
>
> There are two interesting problems:
>
> 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double
> clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to
> open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.
>
> 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With
> an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But
> with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:
>
> On copying and pasting:
>
> a) Nothing happens for around a minute
> b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'
> c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'
> d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to
> 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.
>
> Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.
>
> Any ideas welcome.
>
> (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)
> Graham

Graham,

did you try doing the copy operation from the command line? There's a
lot less overhead involved.

Mike

 

[none]

Graham C wrote:
> Word and Win98SE problems
>
> I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically
> 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60
> Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create
> these files)
>
> There are two interesting problems:
>
> 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double
> clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to
> open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.
>
> 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With
> an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But
> with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:
>
> On copying and pasting:
>
> a) Nothing happens for around a minute
> b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'
> c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'
> d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to
> 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.
>
> Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.
>
> Any ideas welcome.
>
> (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)
> Graham

Here are some other ideas:

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000619.htm

http://lifehacker.com/software/feat...peed-up-file-copying-with-teracopy-263492.php

http://www.copyhandler.com/en/downloads/index.php

http://supercopier.sfxteam.org/modu...sh&PHPSESSID=317c193de57ecc49f8f3ad6b154abc29


http://www.codesector.com/teracopy.php

Copy your files faster and easier

TeraCopy is a compact program designed to copy and move files at the
maximum possible speed, providing the user a lot of features:

* Copy files faster. TeraCopy uses dynamically adjusted buffers to
reduce seek times. Asynchronous copy speeds up file transfer between two
physical hard drives.
* Pause and resume file transfers. Pause copy process at any time to
free up system resources and continue with a single click.
* Error recovery. In case of copy error, TeraCopy will try several times
and in the worse case just skips the file, not terminating the entire
transfer.
* Interactive file list. TeraCopy shows failed file transfers and lets
you fix the problem and recopy only problem files.
* Shell integration. TeraCopy can completely replace Explorer copy and
move functions, allowing you work with files as usual.
* Full Unicode support.

If you find that one of them works significantly faster please let us
know the numbers.

Thanks,
Mike

 

[roman modic]

Hello!

"Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:76krs3locsvg154marco2oocu89i033mmc@4ax.com...
> Word and Win98SE problems
> 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double
> clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to
> open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.
>
> 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With
> an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But
> with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:
>
> (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)

1. Uninstall anti virus and test again
2. Disable spell checking in Word

BTW, does the file that opens slowly has many objects
(for example: formulas)?


Regards, Roman

P.S What antivirus do you use, maybe NOD32 ???

 

[Bill Blanton]

"Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:76krs3locsvg154marco2oocu89i033mmc@4ax.com...
> Word and Win98SE problems
>
> I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically
> 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60
> Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create
> these files)
>

> On copying and pasting:
>
> a) Nothing happens for around a minute
> b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'
> c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'
> d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to
> 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.
>
> Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.

What version Office/Word? Just a WAG, but something worth trying is to
disable Find Fast. The fact that renaming the file to *.tmp "fixes" the problem,
suggests that Office underfootware may be to blame.

OFF97: How to Disable the Find Fast Indexer
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=158705&sd=RMVP

 

[MEB]

"Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:76krs3locsvg154marco2oocu89i033mmc@4ax.com...
| Word and Win98SE problems
|
| I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically
| 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60
| Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create
| these files)
|
| There are two interesting problems:
|
| 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double
| clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to
| open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

Difference are generally be due to embedded objects, pictures, formatting
[type, indexes, TOC, tables, etc.], number of *complex* aspects and the
number of times itr has been modified [document tracking]. Documents which
contain TOCs, indexes, Excel or other files, scripting, and the like, are
considered complex.

|
| 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With
| an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But
| with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:
|
| On copying and pasting:
|
| a) Nothing happens for around a minute
| b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'
| c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'
| d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to
| 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.
|
| Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.
|
| Any ideas welcome.
|
| (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)
| Graham

PCMAG offered a tool called "unfrag complex files" which reset and
'defragged' complex Word documents. Might want to locate it.
Also it would be conducive to know:
The version of Word being discussed, its present update state, and whether
you are using Word alone or was it installed as part of the bigger Office
package.
Are you still running Find Fast and Office Startup {OSA.exe} {both located
in StartUp}
And your present update status of Windows 98SE.

There a number of other potential issues that may be involved including:
large number of other startup/running apps fragmentation statue of the
drives networking browser dlls in use other system dlls, and shell32.

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

 

[mscir]

MEB wrote:
> "Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:76krs3locsvg154marco2oocu89i033mmc@4ax.com...
> | Word and Win98SE problems
> |
> | I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically
> | 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60
> | Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create
> | these files)
> |
> | There are two interesting problems:
> |
> | 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double
> | clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to
> | open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.
>
> Difference are generally be due to embedded objects, pictures, formatting
> [type, indexes, TOC, tables, etc.], number of *complex* aspects and the
> number of times itr has been modified [document tracking]. Documents which
> contain TOCs, indexes, Excel or other files, scripting, and the like, are
> considered complex.
>
> |
> | 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With
> | an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But
> | with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:
> |
> | On copying and pasting:
> |
> | a) Nothing happens for around a minute
> | b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'
> | c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'
> | d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to
> | 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.
> |
> | Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.
> |
> | Any ideas welcome.
> |
> | (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)
> | Graham
>
> PCMAG offered a tool called "unfrag complex files" which reset and
> 'defragged' complex Word documents. Might want to locate it.
> Also it would be conducive to know:
> The version of Word being discussed, its present update state, and whether
> you are using Word alone or was it installed as part of the bigger Office
> package.
> Are you still running Find Fast and Office Startup {OSA.exe} {both located
> in StartUp}
> And your present update status of Windows 98SE.
>
> There a number of other potential issues that may be involved including:
> large number of other startup/running apps fragmentation statue of the
> drives networking browser dlls in use other system dlls, and shell32.

http://wordtips.vitalnews.com/Pages/T001328_Word_Slow_to_Open_Documents.html

http://www.omgili.com/newsgroups/mi...ocument+-inforum:yahoo.com+-inforum:yedda.com
(last msg)

 

[MEB]

"mscir" <mscir@none.com> wrote in message
news:fqlkj601h04@enews2.newsguy.com...
| MEB wrote:
| > "Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
| > news:76krs3locsvg154marco2oocu89i033mmc@4ax.com...
| > | Word and Win98SE problems
| > |
| > | I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically
| > | 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60
| > | Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create
| > | these files)
| > |
| > | There are two interesting problems:
| > |
| > | 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double
| > | clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to
| > | open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.
| >
| > Difference are generally be due to embedded objects, pictures,
formatting
| > [type, indexes, TOC, tables, etc.], number of *complex* aspects and the
| > number of times itr has been modified [document tracking]. Documents
which
| > contain TOCs, indexes, Excel or other files, scripting, and the like,
are
| > considered complex.
| >
| > |
| > | 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With
| > | an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But
| > | with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:
| > |
| > | On copying and pasting:
| > |
| > | a) Nothing happens for around a minute
| > | b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'
| > | c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'
| > | d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to
| > | 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.
| > |
| > | Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.
| > |
| > | Any ideas welcome.
| > |
| > | (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)
| > | Graham
| >
| > PCMAG offered a tool called "unfrag complex files" which reset and
| > 'defragged' complex Word documents. Might want to locate it.
| > Also it would be conducive to know:
| > The version of Word being discussed, its present update state, and
whether
| > you are using Word alone or was it installed as part of the bigger
Office
| > package.
| > Are you still running Find Fast and Office Startup {OSA.exe} {both
located
| > in StartUp}
| > And your present update status of Windows 98SE.
| >
| > There a number of other potential issues that may be involved
including:
| > large number of other startup/running apps fragmentation status of the
| > drives networking browser dlls in use other system dlls, and shell32.
|
|
http://wordtips.vitalnews.com/Pages/T001328_Word_Slow_to_Open_Documents.html
|
|
http://www.omgili.com/newsgroups/mi...ocument+-inforum:yahoo.com+-inforum:yedda.com
| (last msg)
|

Both of those provide some good information, as far as they go... but
individual systems and usage determine the particular issues that may be
involved.

For instance: some have found that even though no errors are occurring at
Word startup, when they delete the normal dot, after it rebuilds they might
find that documents are handled faster others have found that turning off
document tracking and other document specific 'protections and monitoring'
also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment] others {and myself}
have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load times
disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times etc.. so any
number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's needs
and/or document.

However, these are determined on an individual basis,,, examples: Some NEED
document tracking and synchronization turned on when more than one party is
modifying a specific document so there aren't multiple instances/versions of
the same areas modified. Additionally, if say, an Excel file was used and it
included need to auto check for an updated table, that would be checked and
would slow the document load as an updated table was searched for.

Moreover, as Office applications embed themselves deeply into the user's
system, configurations of the programs CAN have a significant impact on the
entire system, particularly as they *communicate* with themselves and other
applications [such as when moving or copying files], so here again are
potential issues,,, and, perhaps, another application has reset or modified
an original Office application setting or registry entry, or replaced one of
its files. These can also have significant impact..

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

 

[MEB]

TYPOS -
| also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment] others {and myself}
| have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load times
| disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times etc.. so any
| number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's needs
| and/or document.

The above "increase" or "increased" should be "decrease" or "decreased"
{now where was it that I put my brain today}
--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

 

[none]

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uTRpdvxfIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> TYPOS -
> | also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment] others {and
myself}
> | have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load
times
> | disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times etc.. so
any
> | number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's
needs
> | and/or document.
>
> The above "increase" or "increased" should be "decrease" or
"decreased"
> {now where was it that I put my brain today}
> --
>
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> _________
>
>

Funny! Helpful tips BTW

I got one DOC file which began to suddenly load slowly, back to loading
in an instant.

 

[MEB]

"none" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message
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| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:uTRpdvxfIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > TYPOS -
| > | also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment] others {and
| myself}
| > | have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load
| times
| > | disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times etc.. so
| any
| > | number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's
| needs
| > | and/or document.
| >
| > The above "increase" or "increased" should be "decrease" or
| "decreased"
| > {now where was it that I put my brain today}
| > --
| >
| > MEB
| > _________
| >
| >
|
| Funny! Helpful tips BTW
|
| I got one DOC file which began to suddenly load slowly, back to loading
| in an instant.
|

That's good, makes writing these things seem worthwhile..

After the above corrections,,,

I forgot to mention is that if auto spelling check and replacement, and
other "check' tools [modifications-track changes readability statistics
auto: word replacement - grammar - thesaurus specific format style like
"formal" applied on a regular document large number and/or size of
dictionaries used {this one can be a real loading hit} etc.] are enabled,
large documents will be extremely slow loading as every document will be
auto checked upon opening and/or as it is converted {note the little open
book with the pencil furiously scribbling at the bottom}. So slow that Word
may appear to freeze while it works on the document [sometimes it does
actually freeze if there is too much to do, or really large document
contains to many errors.].

Documents being multiple reviewed/modified, should have their document
settings saved with the document properties to ensure all modifiers are
using the same standards..

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

 

[Graham C]

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:46:53 +0000, Graham C
<grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote:

Thanks for the usueful hints so far guys. I'll start investigating.

In the meantime, an update.

Win98SE has 'all updates'

Office 97 PRO has SP1 and SP2

Fast Find - no chance whatsoever!

OSA - no chance whatsoever!

Currently everything removed from 'startup' via MSCONFIG
(because of another weirdo - there will be a new thread soon !)

Interestingly the large Word file which takes for ever to open
came from a colleague. It opens 'instantly' on his machine, but
on his son's PC (much later, faster, more RAM) it takes several
minutes to open. Both run XP and Word 97.

I looked at TeraCopy, but unfortunately it's XP/Vista only

I note today that there are complaints that Vista SP1 has failed
to fix the bug that 'large files take for ever to copy'!
No change there then.

Graham

 

[Graham C]

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:21:56 -0800, none <""mscir\"@(none)"> wrote:

>
>
>did you try doing the copy operation from the command line? There's a
>lot less overhead involved.
>
>Mike

Good idea

From a DOS Box, or from Win98 in Safe Mode a 15 meg file copies in a
under 10 seconds.

In Win98 normal it just crashed Windows every time

I then tried the 15 meg auto backup of the Doc file ( a .WBK
extension)
In Win98 normal it copied in a couple of seconds

I then renamed the .WBK to a .DOC and tried again - Windows locked
solid.

My current solution for copying these large DOC files (I've got dozens
of them) is to global rename them to .TMPs using ZTree, copy them,
then global rename to DOCs again.

A bit tedious - Apple Macs are beginning to sound appealing.

(Also tried Winzipping a big DOC file, again it locked up windows)

So What's up (with) DOC !

Graham

 

[mscir]

Graham C wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:21:56 -0800, none <""mscir\"@(none)"> wrote:
>
>>
>> did you try doing the copy operation from the command line? There's a
>> lot less overhead involved.
>>
>> Mike
>
> Good idea
>
> From a DOS Box, or from Win98 in Safe Mode a 15 meg file copies in a
> under 10 seconds.
>
> In Win98 normal it just crashed Windows every time
>
> I then tried the 15 meg auto backup of the Doc file ( a .WBK
> extension)
> In Win98 normal it copied in a couple of seconds
> I then renamed the .WBK to a .DOC and tried again - Windows locked
> solid.
> My current solution for copying these large DOC files (I've got dozens
> of them) is to global rename them to .TMPs using ZTree, copy them,
> then global rename to DOCs again.
> A bit tedious - Apple Macs are beginning to sound appealing.
> (Also tried Winzipping a big DOC file, again it locked up windows)
> So What's up (with) DOC !
> Graham

Sheesh, those are strange problems !

Would it be possible to write a batch file to do the rename, copy,
rename operations? I mean, are the files conveniently placed so every
doc file in the target folders gets copied?

Or if not a batch file this is a job Visual Basic could do really
easily. You don't happen to program in VB do you?

Mike

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:36:24 -0700, mscir <mscir@none.com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

>Graham C wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:21:56 -0800, none <""mscir\"@(none)"> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> did you try doing the copy operation from the command line? There's a
>>> lot less overhead involved.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>> Good idea
>>
>> From a DOS Box, or from Win98 in Safe Mode a 15 meg file copies in a
>> under 10 seconds.
>>
>> In Win98 normal it just crashed Windows every time
>>
>> I then tried the 15 meg auto backup of the Doc file ( a .WBK
>> extension)
>> In Win98 normal it copied in a couple of seconds
>> I then renamed the .WBK to a .DOC and tried again - Windows locked
>> solid.
>> My current solution for copying these large DOC files (I've got dozens
>> of them) is to global rename them to .TMPs using ZTree, copy them,
>> then global rename to DOCs again.
>> A bit tedious - Apple Macs are beginning to sound appealing.
>> (Also tried Winzipping a big DOC file, again it locked up windows)
>> So What's up (with) DOC !
>> Graham
>
>Sheesh, those are strange problems !
>
>Would it be possible to write a batch file to do the rename, copy,
>rename operations? I mean, are the files conveniently placed so every
>doc file in the target folders gets copied?
>
>Or if not a batch file this is a job Visual Basic could do really
>easily. You don't happen to program in VB do you?
>
>Mike

The OP states that large .doc files copy in seconds in a DOS box.

I'd go to Start > Run and type ...

command /c copy /y c:\old_path\*.doc d:\new_path

.... or, if you want the command window to remain open, type ...

command /k copy /y c:\old_path\*.doc d:\new_path

.... and then type "exit" to quit.

Alternatively you could write a simple DOS .bat file to do the above.

- Franc Zabkar
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