CD Burning

DaffyD® · Mar 9, 2008

Is there a Windows 98 forum that would address a question about max write
speed bufor CDs or this better suited for a Nero or Roxio community?
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If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

MEB · Mar 10, 2008

What is that you want to address,, the hardware support on the CD drive,,
cache settings, or what?

If you're talking generally, then it depends upon the CDR disk quality, the
drive's supported speeds, and the computer's speed [processor, FSB, memory].
Speed can also be affected by the amount of on CD drive buffer/cache memory
and how effectively the software relates to that..

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http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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"DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
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| Is there a Windows 98 forum that would address a question about max write
| speed bufor CDs or this better suited for a Nero or Roxio community?
| --
| { : [|]=( DaffyD®
|
| If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
|
|

DaffyD® · Mar 10, 2008

Your answer is along the lines of what I was asking. My CD burner maxes out
at 52x, and that was the burn speed for all previous CDs using Nero. I just
bought a spindle of TDK cds that are rated as 52x but now the max burn speed
I can get is 40x, using the same exact software. I can still go back to
older blank CDs and burn at the higher speed using Nero so that rules out
the software variant.

So the question becomes, can the quality of the disk (weight, thickness,
etc) affect the burn rate? Does a lightweight disk (because they are getting
thinner) have a lower rpm than an older heavier one?
Or am I being too simplistic? Thanks.
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If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eTfu9zngIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> What is that you want to address,, the hardware support on the CD drive,,
> cache settings, or what?
>
> If you're talking generally, then it depends upon the CDR disk quality,
the
> drive's supported speeds, and the computer's speed [processor, FSB,
memory].
> Speed can also be affected by the amount of on CD drive buffer/cache
memory
> and how effectively the software relates to that..
>
> --
>
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> _________
>
>
> "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ej2IY1hgIHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | Is there a Windows 98 forum that would address a question about max
write
> | speed bufor CDs or this better suited for a Nero or Roxio community?
> | --
> | { : [|]=( DaffyD®
> |
> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
> |
> |
>
>

MEB · Mar 11, 2008

"DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
news:uFrBl3ygIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| Your answer is along the lines of what I was asking. My CD burner maxes
out
| at 52x, and that was the burn speed for all previous CDs using Nero. I
just
| bought a spindle of TDK cds that are rated as 52x but now the max burn
speed
| I can get is 40x, using the same exact software. I can still go back to
| older blank CDs and burn at the higher speed using Nero so that rules out
| the software variant.
|
| So the question becomes, can the quality of the disk (weight, thickness,
| etc) affect the burn rate? Does a lightweight disk (because they are
getting
| thinner) have a lower rpm than an older heavier one?
| Or am I being too simplistic? Thanks.
| --
| { : [|]=( DaffyD®
|
| If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

A few things might be involved.

The type of dye used on the Disk and the clarity of the plastic [e.g.
colored disks verses clear] would be my first guess, but thickness would not
be one. The last TDKs I bought had fluctuations in the disks [hold at right
angle under light and look at the under surface] for some reason. A few even
had visible flaws [looked like drip patterns or dust partical {circular}
flaws in the dye].
Another thing might be the age of the burner,,, I have one that was 52X but
will now only burn at 16X, obviously the laser is getting dim or the lenses
might have picked up a film, which I could not clean. If you smoke, then
that would cause the lenses to become clouded after a time.

When servicing drives, I have found dust threads, small bits of tobacco,
and other particals on the len(s) which must have diffused the laser enough
to cause slower burns and slower read times..

However, just as disks have differring abilities at over-burning, so will
you find disk that just work better than others.

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

|
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:eTfu9zngIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > What is that you want to address,, the hardware support on the CD
drive,,
| > cache settings, or what?
| >
| > If you're talking generally, then it depends upon the CDR disk quality,
| the
| > drive's supported speeds, and the computer's speed [processor, FSB,
| memory].
| > Speed can also be affected by the amount of on CD drive buffer/cache
| memory
| > and how effectively the software relates to that..
| >
| > --
| >
| > MEB
| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > _________
| >
| >
| > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
| > news:ej2IY1hgIHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | Is there a Windows 98 forum that would address a question about max
| write
| > | speed bufor CDs or this better suited for a Nero or Roxio community?
| > | --
| > | { : [|]=( DaffyD®
| > |
| > | If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

Franc Zabkar · Mar 11, 2008

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:10:48 -0700, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Your answer is along the lines of what I was asking. My CD burner maxes out
>at 52x, and that was the burn speed for all previous CDs using Nero. I just
>bought a spindle of TDK cds that are rated as 52x but now the max burn speed
>I can get is 40x, using the same exact software. I can still go back to
>older blank CDs and burn at the higher speed using Nero so that rules out
>the software variant.
>
>So the question becomes, can the quality of the disk (weight, thickness,
>etc) affect the burn rate? Does a lightweight disk (because they are getting
>thinner) have a lower rpm than an older heavier one?
>Or am I being too simplistic? Thanks.

I think the burner's firmware may not be optimised for newer media.
Each disc has an identifier that tells the firmware who its
manufacturer was and what speeds it is capable of supporting. In my
case Nero offered to burn TDK blanks at a higher speed after upgrading
the firmware in my LG burner. I always choose the slowest speed,
though.

This software may be useful:
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/dvdidentifier.html

- Franc Zabkar
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DaffyD® · Mar 16, 2008

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:egmdt3d7fu52n01o1idk993vu8beuhr6k5@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:10:48 -0700, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put
> finger to keyboard and composed:
>
> >Your answer is along the lines of what I was asking. My CD burner maxes
out
> >at 52x, and that was the burn speed for all previous CDs using Nero. I
just
> >bought a spindle of TDK cds that are rated as 52x but now the max burn
speed
> >I can get is 40x, using the same exact software. I can still go back to
> >older blank CDs and burn at the higher speed using Nero so that rules out
> >the software variant.
> >
> >So the question becomes, can the quality of the disk (weight, thickness,
> >etc) affect the burn rate? Does a lightweight disk (because they are
getting
> >thinner) have a lower rpm than an older heavier one?
> >Or am I being too simplistic? Thanks.
>
> I think the burner's firmware may not be optimised for newer media.
> Each disc has an identifier that tells the firmware who its
> manufacturer was and what speeds it is capable of supporting. In my
> case Nero offered to burn TDK blanks at a higher speed after upgrading
> the firmware in my LG burner. I always choose the slowest speed,
> though.
>
> This software may be useful:
> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/dvdidentifier.html
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Should I try updating the firmware?

DaffyD® · Mar 16, 2008

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
> news:uFrBl3ygIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | Your answer is along the lines of what I was asking. My CD burner maxes
> out
> | at 52x, and that was the burn speed for all previous CDs using Nero. I
> just
> | bought a spindle of TDK cds that are rated as 52x but now the max burn
> speed
> | I can get is 40x, using the same exact software. I can still go back to
> | older blank CDs and burn at the higher speed using Nero so that rules
out
> | the software variant.
> |
> | So the question becomes, can the quality of the disk (weight, thickness,
> | etc) affect the burn rate? Does a lightweight disk (because they are
> getting
> | thinner) have a lower rpm than an older heavier one?
> | Or am I being too simplistic? Thanks.
> | --
> | { : [|]=( DaffyD®
> |
> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
>
> A few things might be involved.
>
> The type of dye used on the Disk and the clarity of the plastic [e.g.
> colored disks verses clear] would be my first guess, but thickness would
not
> be one. The last TDKs I bought had fluctuations in the disks [hold at
right
> angle under light and look at the under surface] for some reason. A few
even
> had visible flaws [looked like drip patterns or dust partical {circular}
> flaws in the dye].
> Another thing might be the age of the burner,,, I have one that was 52X
but
> will now only burn at 16X, obviously the laser is getting dim or the
lenses
> might have picked up a film, which I could not clean. If you smoke, then
> that would cause the lenses to become clouded after a time.
>
> When servicing drives, I have found dust threads, small bits of tobacco,
> and other particals on the len(s) which must have diffused the laser
enough
> to cause slower burns and slower read times..
>
> However, just as disks have differring abilities at over-burning, so will
> you find disk that just work better than others.
>
> --
>
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> _________
>
> |
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:eTfu9zngIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > What is that you want to address,, the hardware support on the CD
> drive,,
> | > cache settings, or what?
> | >
> | > If you're talking generally, then it depends upon the CDR disk
quality,
> | the
> | > drive's supported speeds, and the computer's speed [processor, FSB,
> | memory].
> | > Speed can also be affected by the amount of on CD drive buffer/cache
> | memory
> | > and how effectively the software relates to that..
> | >
> | > --
> | >
> | > MEB
> | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > _________
> | >
> | >The discs are clear on the bottom (no dye). But I have used previous
TDK disks with no problems. It might be how they manufacture the new ones.

The buffer/cache hasn't changed. I think it's 2 MB, if that sounds right.
> | >

Franc Zabkar · Mar 16, 2008

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:42:12 -0700, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
>news:egmdt3d7fu52n01o1idk993vu8beuhr6k5@4ax.com...

>> I think the burner's firmware may not be optimised for newer media.
>> Each disc has an identifier that tells the firmware who its
>> manufacturer was and what speeds it is capable of supporting. In my
>> case Nero offered to burn TDK blanks at a higher speed after upgrading
>> the firmware in my LG burner. I always choose the slowest speed,
>> though.
>>
>> This software may be useful:
>> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/dvdidentifier.html
>>
>> - Franc Zabkar

>Should I try updating the firmware?

It worked for me, but I'd consult the readme file first.

For example, if you are contemplating upgrading an LG burner, then you
may want to check out this site:
http://www.station-drivers.com/page/lg goldstar.htm

The list of firmware enhancements includes:

==================================================================
Improve Writing Strategy for new 20X media
Register Write Strategy for new DVD media
Improve detecting new kinds of media
Supports 4X speed for LG DVD-R 8X Media

Addition of new DVD codes
DVD-R: Optodisc(OPTODISCR016), Prodisc(ProdiscF02), Ritek(RITEKM16)
DVD+R: UME Disc(AML 002 0), DAXON(DAXON AZ3 0)

Addition of DVD-RW 4X media codes

rodisc DW06, CMC W03, RITEK W04, OPTODISC W004
Limitation of recording speed from 16X to 8X for some DVDR
Prohibition of writing for DVD+R DL 8X, DVD+RW 8X and DVD-RW 6X

Improvement of Write Strategy for DVD Media
=> DVD-R: RITEK 8X, MUST 8X, DAXON 8x, INFODISC 8x, KIC 8x
=> DVD+R: OPTODISC 8x, PRODISC 8x, NANYA 8x, IMC 8x, CMC 8x,
PRODISC 8x, MCC 12x
=> DVD-RW: PRODISC 4x, CMC 4x, RITEK 4x
=> DVD+RW: MBIPG 4x, DAXON 4x
==================================================================

- Franc Zabkar
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MEB · Mar 17, 2008

"DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
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|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:%23ANWj80gIHA.5780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| >
| >
| >
| > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
| > news:uFrBl3ygIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | Your answer is along the lines of what I was asking. My CD burner
maxes
| > out
| > | at 52x, and that was the burn speed for all previous CDs using Nero. I
| > just
| > | bought a spindle of TDK cds that are rated as 52x but now the max burn
| > speed
| > | I can get is 40x, using the same exact software. I can still go back
to
| > | older blank CDs and burn at the higher speed using Nero so that rules
| out
| > | the software variant.
| > |
| > | So the question becomes, can the quality of the disk (weight,
thickness,
| > | etc) affect the burn rate? Does a lightweight disk (because they are
| > getting
| > | thinner) have a lower rpm than an older heavier one?
| > | Or am I being too simplistic? Thanks.
| > | --
| > | { : [|]=( DaffyD®
| > |
| > | If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
| >
| > A few things might be involved.
| >
| > The type of dye used on the Disk and the clarity of the plastic [e.g.
| > colored disks verses clear] would be my first guess, but thickness would
| not
| > be one. The last TDKs I bought had fluctuations in the disks [hold at
| right
| > angle under light and look at the under surface] for some reason. A few
| even
| > had visible flaws [looked like drip patterns or dust partical {circular}
| > flaws in the dye].
| > Another thing might be the age of the burner,,, I have one that was 52X
| but
| > will now only burn at 16X, obviously the laser is getting dim or the
| lenses
| > might have picked up a film, which I could not clean. If you smoke, then
| > that would cause the lenses to become clouded after a time.
| >
| > When servicing drives, I have found dust threads, small bits of
tobacco,
| > and other particals on the len(s) which must have diffused the laser
| enough
| > to cause slower burns and slower read times..
| >
| > However, just as disks have differring abilities at over-burning, so
will
| > you find disk that just work better than others.
| >
| > --
| >
| > MEB
| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > _________
| >
| > |
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:eTfu9zngIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | > What is that you want to address,, the hardware support on the CD
| > drive,,
| > | > cache settings, or what?
| > | >
| > | > If you're talking generally, then it depends upon the CDR disk
| quality,
| > | the
| > | > drive's supported speeds, and the computer's speed [processor, FSB,
| > | memory].
| > | > Speed can also be affected by the amount of on CD drive
buffer/cache
| > | memory
| > | > and how effectively the software relates to that..
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | >
| > | > MEB
| > | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | >The discs are clear on the bottom (no dye). But I have used previous

| TDK disks with no problems. It might be how they manufacture the new ones.

Could be, I forgot to include that this time, but Franc picked it up.

|
| The buffer/cache hasn't changed. I think it's 2 MB, if that sounds right.
| > | >
|

The on drive buffer/cache would depend upon the drive itself and what it
included. Some have 8 megs or more.

* MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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User · Mar 20, 2008

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:dlmrt3tlkg1hkjuhgpok3mkucninn241ch@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:42:12 -0700, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put
> finger to keyboard and composed:
>
> >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
> >news:egmdt3d7fu52n01o1idk993vu8beuhr6k5@4ax.com...
>
> >> I think the burner's firmware may not be optimised for newer media.
> >> Each disc has an identifier that tells the firmware who its
> >> manufacturer was and what speeds it is capable of supporting. In my
> >> case Nero offered to burn TDK blanks at a higher speed after upgrading
> >> the firmware in my LG burner. I always choose the slowest speed,
> >> though.
> >>
> >> This software may be useful:
> >> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/dvdidentifier.html
> >>
> >> - Franc Zabkar
>
> >Should I try updating the firmware?
>
> It worked for me, but I'd consult the readme file first.
>
> For example, if you are contemplating upgrading an LG burner, then you
> may want to check out this site:
> http://www.station-drivers.com/page/lg goldstar.htm
>
> The list of firmware enhancements includes:
>
> ==================================================================
> Improve Writing Strategy for new 20X media
> Register Write Strategy for new DVD media
> Improve detecting new kinds of media
> Supports 4X speed for LG DVD-R 8X Media
>
> Addition of new DVD codes
> DVD-R: Optodisc(OPTODISCR016), Prodisc(ProdiscF02), Ritek(RITEKM16)
> DVD+R: UME Disc(AML 002 0), DAXON(DAXON AZ3 0)
>
> Addition of DVD-RW 4X media codes
>

rodisc DW06, CMC W03, RITEK W04, OPTODISC W004
> Limitation of recording speed from 16X to 8X for some DVDR
> Prohibition of writing for DVD+R DL 8X, DVD+RW 8X and DVD-RW 6X
>
> Improvement of Write Strategy for DVD Media
> => DVD-R: RITEK 8X, MUST 8X, DAXON 8x, INFODISC 8x, KIC 8x
> => DVD+R: OPTODISC 8x, PRODISC 8x, NANYA 8x, IMC 8x, CMC 8x,
> PRODISC 8x, MCC 12x
> => DVD-RW: PRODISC 4x, CMC 4x, RITEK 4x
> => DVD+RW: MBIPG 4x, DAXON 4x
> ==================================================================
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Frank, I went to the link you posted (stationdrivers.com) but I wasn't able
to find the firmware/drivers I needed for my CD-RW. Can you help me find one
for my
Samsung SW-480B firmware ver. BS02?

Franc Zabkar · Mar 20, 2008

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:19:38 -0500, "User" <User@nospam.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Frank, I went to the link you posted (stationdrivers.com) but I wasn't able
>to find the firmware/drivers I needed for my CD-RW. Can you help me find one
>for my
>Samsung SW-480B firmware ver. BS02?

If you mean SW-408B, then see the bottom of this page:
http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?category=6&manufactor=28

This link still works:
http://www.sec.co.kr/product/odd/support/download/SW-408B_BS02.zip

This is a Samsung download page:
http://www.samsungodd.com/eng/Firmw...&product_code=HCW&language_code=&PageNumber=4

- Franc Zabkar
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User · Mar 21, 2008

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:uku5u3l9figrs3k55695g5nopob2jm5dgi@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:19:38 -0500, "User" <User@nospam.com> put
> finger to keyboard and composed:
>
> >Frank, I went to the link you posted (stationdrivers.com) but I wasn't
able
> >to find the firmware/drivers I needed for my CD-RW. Can you help me find
one
> >for my
> >Samsung SW-480B firmware ver. BS02?
>
> If you mean SW-408B, then see the bottom of this page:
> http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?category=6&manufactor=28
>
> This link still works:
> http://www.sec.co.kr/product/odd/support/download/SW-408B_BS02.zip
>
> This is a Samsung download page:
>
http://www.samsungodd.com/eng/Firmware/FWDownload/FWDownload.asp?SearchWord=
&SearchMode=&product_code=HCW&language_code=&PageNumber=4
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Thanks.

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