Desktop Icons puzzle

[Jim]

I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange icons
menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the screen even
though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons themselves are
in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop settings.

If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with large icons
checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I switch back to
small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the point
that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu. This
becomes tiresome when working.

Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?

 

[MEB]

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange icons
| menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the screen
even
| though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons themselves are
| in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop settings.
|
| If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with large
icons
| checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I switch back
to
| small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the point
| that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu. This
| becomes tiresome when working.
|
| Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
|

A few things:

Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a restart>logon?

Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after placing
the Icons in the order you wish?

Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or other
Windows areas?

Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the ones you
are moving/arranging?

There are several tools available that can save specific Icon placements
[generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop].

If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

 

[Jim]

In response to your questions.
1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The restart/reboot only
when needed or requested.
2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used disk
cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser.
3. yes spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan also.
4. no this is not the problem.
5. desktop is set at 1024x768
I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not having
some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties
quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other user is not
having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though.

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange
icons
> | menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the screen
> even
> | though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons themselves
are
> | in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop settings.
> |
> | If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with large
> icons
> | checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I switch back
> to
> | small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the point
> | that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu.
This
> | becomes tiresome when working.
> |
> | Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
> |
>
> A few things:
>
> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a restart>logon?
>
> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after placing
> the Icons in the order you wish?
>
> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or other
> Windows areas?
>
> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the ones
you
> are moving/arranging?
>
> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon placements
> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop].
>
> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy.
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
>
>

 

[MEB]

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| In response to your questions.

Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials.

| 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The restart/reboot
only
| when needed or requested.
| 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used disk
| cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser.

The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is named
ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow system, and
hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual settings
including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you may
have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are encountering.


| 3. yes spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan also.
| 4. no this is not the problem.
| 5. desktop is set at 1024x768
| I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not having
| some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties
| quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other user is
not
| having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though.

It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry {and
hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly updated,
hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. Some
Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now
include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and other
attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer with user
adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a complete
shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and swap to
clear/reset.

You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER
settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have the
ability to save personal settings.

The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional ability to
ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and saved, and
either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. Desktop
corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with multiple
users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image
manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take care of
this issue.

Also:
It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you MAY be
having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video card/chip
settings may need adjustment or refreshing.

|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| >
| > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
| > news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange
| icons
| > | menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the screen
| > even
| > | though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons themselves
| are
| > | in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop settings.
| > |
| > | If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with large
| > icons
| > | checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I switch
back
| > to
| > | small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the
point
| > | that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu.
| This
| > | becomes tiresome when working.
| > |
| > | Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
| > |
| >
| > A few things:
| >
| > Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a restart>logon?
| >
| > Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after
placing
| > the Icons in the order you wish?
| >
| > Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or
other
| > Windows areas?
| >
| > Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the ones
| you
| > are moving/arranging?
| >
| > There are several tools available that can save specific Icon
placements
| > [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop].
| >
| > If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy.
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

 

[Jim]

I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not find
this file/folder. Could this have another name?

The personal settings are: Password>user profiles radio button> users can
customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not have
desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change settings>check
desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the check
box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the
problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there were
additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the other
users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of
personalized settings tweakable.

Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled.

I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing
question on size.

*Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at log
on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons in the
tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of the
system usually recovers this back to the normal.

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | In response to your questions.
>
> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials.
>
> | 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The restart/reboot
> only
> | when needed or requested.
> | 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used disk
> | cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser.
>
> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is named
> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow system, and
> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual settings
> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you may
> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are encountering.
>
>
> | 3. yes spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan also.
> | 4. no this is not the problem.
> | 5. desktop is set at 1024x768
> | I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not having
> | some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties
> | quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other user is
> not
> | having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though.
>
> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry {and
> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly updated,
> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. Some
> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now
> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and other
> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer with
user
> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a
complete
> shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and swap to
> clear/reset.
>
> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER
> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have the
> ability to save personal settings.
>
> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional ability
to
> ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and saved, and
> either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. Desktop
> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with multiple
> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image
> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take care of
> this issue.
>
> Also:
> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you MAY be
> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video card/chip
> settings may need adjustment or refreshing.
>
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | >
> | > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> | > news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > | I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange
> | icons
> | > | menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the
screen
> | > even
> | > | though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons
themselves
> | are
> | > | in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop settings.
> | > |
> | > | If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with
large
> | > icons
> | > | checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I switch
> back
> | > to
> | > | small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the
> point
> | > | that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu.
> | This
> | > | becomes tiresome when working.
> | > |
> | > | Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
> | > |
> | >
> | > A few things:
> | >
> | > Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a restart>logon?
> | >
> | > Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after
> placing
> | > the Icons in the order you wish?
> | >
> | > Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or
> other
> | > Windows areas?
> | >
> | > Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the
ones
> | you
> | > are moving/arranging?
> | >
> | > There are several tools available that can save specific Icon
> placements
> | > [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop].
> | >
> | > If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy.
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
>
>

 

[Bill in Co.]

It may be a hidden file. Do you have show hidden files enabled?

Jim wrote:
> I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not find
> this file/folder. Could this have another name?
>
> The personal settings are: Password>user profiles radio button> users can
> customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not have
> desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change settings>check
> desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the check
> box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the
> problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there were
> additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the other
> users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of
> personalized settings tweakable.
>
> Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled.
>
> I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing
> question on size.
>
> *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at log
> on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons in
> the
> tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of the
> system usually recovers this back to the normal.
>
> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> In response to your questions.
>>
>> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials.
>>
>>> 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The restart/reboot
>>> only
>>> when needed or requested.
>>> 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used disk
>>> cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser.
>>
>> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is named
>> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow system,
>> and
>> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual settings
>> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you may
>> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are encountering.
>>
>>
>>> 3. yes spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan also.
>>> 4. no this is not the problem.
>>> 5. desktop is set at 1024x768
>>> I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not having
>>> some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties
>>> quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other user is
>>> not
>>> having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though.
>>
>> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry
>> {and
>> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly
>> updated,
>> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. Some
>> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now
>> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and
>> other
>> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer with
>> user
>> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a
>> complete
>> shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and swap to
>> clear/reset.
>>
>> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER
>> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have the
>> ability to save personal settings.
>>
>> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional ability
>> to
>> ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and saved,
>> and
>> either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. Desktop
>> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with multiple
>> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image
>> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take care
>> of
>> this issue.
>>
>> Also:
>> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you MAY
>> be
>> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video card/chip
>> settings may need adjustment or refreshing.
>>
>>>
>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange
>>>>> icons
>>>>> menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the screen
>>>>> even though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons
>>>>> themselves are in disarray. There are two users with personalized
>>>>> desktop
>>>>> settings.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with large
>>>>> icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I
>>>>> switch
>>>>> back to small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to
>>>>> the point that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the
>>>>> application
>>>>> menu. This becomes tiresome when working.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A few things:
>>>>
>>>> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a restart>logon?
>>>>
>>>> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after
>>>> placing
>>>> the Icons in the order you wish?
>>>>
>>>> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or
>>>> other
>>>> Windows areas?
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the ones
>>>> you
>>>> are moving/arranging?
>>>>
>>>> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon
>>>> placements
>>>> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop].
>>>>
>>>> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>>
>> --
>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>> --
>> _________

 

[Jim]

yes, "show all" I meant that setting.

> It may be a hidden file. Do you have show hidden files enabled?

 

[Bill in Co.]

Instead of relying on the Find command, did you look for it in windows
explorer directly?

I think its located in the c:\windows folder (or maybe it was
c:\windows\system, but I don't think so)

Normally that file gets rebuilt if deleted, although it may take a couple of
reboots (or better yet, turn the computer off, and then on again), to do it.

Jim wrote:
> yes, "show all" I meant that setting.
>
>> It may be a hidden file. Do you have show hidden files enabled?

 

[Jim]

yes, I found it this time. I guess I was looking for a folder. When I open
this file, what should I open with...notepad?

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:uzk2FrplIHA.5820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Instead of relying on the Find command, did you look for it in windows
> explorer directly?
>
> I think its located in the c:\windows folder (or maybe it was
> c:\windows\system, but I don't think so)
>
> Normally that file gets rebuilt if deleted, although it may take a couple
of
> reboots (or better yet, turn the computer off, and then on again), to do
it.
>
> Jim wrote:
> > yes, "show all" I meant that setting.
> >
> >> It may be a hidden file. Do you have show hidden files enabled?
>
>

 

[MEB]

No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the main
Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions.

IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to keep
your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may crop up
in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue.

Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of USER.DAT
and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST have
Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All Files,
{Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might also want
to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g.,
hidden/system/read only/archive.

--
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--
_________

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not find
| this file/folder. Could this have another name?
|
| The personal settings are: Password>user profiles radio button> users can
| customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not have
| desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change settings>check
| desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the check
| box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the
| problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there were
| additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the other
| users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of
| personalized settings tweakable.
|
| Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled.
|
| I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing
| question on size.
|
| *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at log
| on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons in
the
| tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of the
| system usually recovers this back to the normal.
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| >
| > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
| > news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | In response to your questions.
| >
| > Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials.
| >
| > | 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The
restart/reboot
| > only
| > | when needed or requested.
| > | 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used disk
| > | cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser.
| >
| > The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is named
| > ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow system,
and
| > hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual settings
| > including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you
may
| > have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are encountering.
| >
| >
| > | 3. yes spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan
also.
| > | 4. no this is not the problem.
| > | 5. desktop is set at 1024x768
| > | I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not
having
| > | some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties
| > | quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other user
is
| > not
| > | having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though.
| >
| > It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry
{and
| > hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly
updated,
| > hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. Some
| > Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now
| > include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and
other
| > attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer with
| user
| > adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a
| complete
| > shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and swap to
| > clear/reset.
| >
| > You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER
| > settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have
the
| > ability to save personal settings.
| >
| > The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional
ability
| to
| > ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and saved,
and
| > either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. Desktop
| > corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with multiple
| > users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image
| > manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take care
of
| > this issue.
| >
| > Also:
| > It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you MAY
be
| > having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video card/chip
| > settings may need adjustment or refreshing.
| >
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | >
| > | > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
| > | > news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > | I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the
arrange
| > | icons
| > | > | menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the
| screen
| > | > even
| > | > | though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons
| themselves
| > | are
| > | > | in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop
settings.
| > | > |
| > | > | If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with
| large
| > | > icons
| > | > | checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I
switch
| > back
| > | > to
| > | > | small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the
| > point
| > | > | that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application
menu.
| > | This
| > | > | becomes tiresome when working.
| > | > |
| > | > | Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > A few things:
| > | >
| > | > Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a
restart>logon?
| > | >
| > | > Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after
| > placing
| > | > the Icons in the order you wish?
| > | >
| > | > Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or
| > other
| > | > Windows areas?
| > | >
| > | > Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the
| ones
| > | you
| > | > are moving/arranging?
| > | >
| > | > There are several tools available that can save specific Icon
| > placements
| > | > [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop].
| > | >
| > | > If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Bill in Co.]

You don't do anything with it (nor open it). It's supposed to be there.
(unless you think its corrupted, or giving you some weird desktop icon
problems, in which case you can delete it, and it will be rebuilt, as I
mentioned in the other post)

Jim wrote:
> yes, I found it this time. I guess I was looking for a folder. When I open
> this file, what should I open with...notepad?
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:uzk2FrplIHA.5820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Instead of relying on the Find command, did you look for it in windows
>> explorer directly?
>>
>> I think its located in the c:\windows folder (or maybe it was
>> c:\windows\system, but I don't think so)
>>
>> Normally that file gets rebuilt if deleted, although it may take a couple
>> of
>> reboots (or better yet, turn the computer off, and then on again), to do
>> it.
>>
>> Jim wrote:
>>> yes, "show all" I meant that setting.
>>>
>>>> It may be a hidden file. Do you have show hidden files enabled?

 

[Jim]

I found the file, I am having problem in the open with...dialogue box with
explorer and I keep receiving a file download protection box that when I ask
it to open it just DL and comes back with the same DL protection box.

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23WGrU2plIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the main
> Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions.
>
> IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to keep
> your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may crop
up
> in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue.
>
> Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of
USER.DAT
> and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST have
> Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All Files,
> {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might also
want
> to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g.,
> hidden/system/read only/archive.
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not
find
> | this file/folder. Could this have another name?
> |
> | The personal settings are: Password>user profiles radio button> users
can
> | customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not
have
> | desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change
settings>check
> | desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the
check
> | box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the
> | problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there were
> | additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the
other
> | users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of
> | personalized settings tweakable.
> |
> | Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled.
> |
> | I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing
> | question on size.
> |
> | *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at
log
> | on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons in
> the
> | tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of the
> | system usually recovers this back to the normal.
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | >
> | > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> | > news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > | In response to your questions.
> | >
> | > Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials.
> | >
> | > | 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The
> restart/reboot
> | > only
> | > | when needed or requested.
> | > | 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used
disk
> | > | cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser.
> | >
> | > The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is named
> | > ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow system,
> and
> | > hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual
settings
> | > including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you
> may
> | > have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are
encountering.
> | >
> | >
> | > | 3. yes spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan
> also.
> | > | 4. no this is not the problem.
> | > | 5. desktop is set at 1024x768
> | > | I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not
> having
> | > | some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties
> | > | quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other
user
> is
> | > not
> | > | having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though.
> | >
> | > It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry
> {and
> | > hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly
> updated,
> | > hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools.
Some
> | > Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now
> | > include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and
> other
> | > attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer with
> | user
> | > adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a
> | complete
> | > shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and swap to
> | > clear/reset.
> | >
> | > You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER
> | > settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have
> the
> | > ability to save personal settings.
> | >
> | > The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional
> ability
> | to
> | > ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and saved,
> and
> | > either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. Desktop
> | > corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with
multiple
> | > users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image
> | > manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take
care
> of
> | > this issue.
> | >
> | > Also:
> | > It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you
MAY
> be
> | > having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video
card/chip
> | > settings may need adjustment or refreshing.
> | >
> | > |
> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > | >
> | > | > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> | > | > news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the
> arrange
> | > | icons
> | > | > | menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the
> | screen
> | > | > even
> | > | > | though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons
> | themselves
> | > | are
> | > | > | in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop
> settings.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with
> | large
> | > | > icons
> | > | > | checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I
> switch
> | > back
> | > | > to
> | > | > | small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to
the
> | > point
> | > | > | that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application
> menu.
> | > | This
> | > | > | becomes tiresome when working.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | > | > A few things:
> | > | >
> | > | > Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a
> restart>logon?
> | > | >
> | > | > Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after
> | > placing
> | > | > the Icons in the order you wish?
> | > | >
> | > | > Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry
and/or
> | > other
> | > | > Windows areas?
> | > | >
> | > | > Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the
> | ones
> | > | you
> | > | > are moving/arranging?
> | > | >
> | > | > There are several tools available that can save specific Icon
> | > placements
> | > | > [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop].
> | > | >
> | > | > If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy.
> | > | >
> | > | > --
> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > --
> | > _________
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>

 

[Bill in Co.]

Why are you trying to open it in the first place? You shouldn't be.
It's a windows data file for the cache.

Jim wrote:
> I found the file, I am having problem in the open with...dialogue box with
> explorer and I keep receiving a file download protection box that when I
> ask
> it to open it just DL and comes back with the same DL protection box.
>
> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23WGrU2plIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the main
>> Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions.
>>
>> IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to keep
>> your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may crop
>> up
>> in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue.
>>
>> Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of
>> USER.DAT
>> and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST have
>> Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All Files,
>> {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might also
>> want
>> to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g.,
>> hidden/system/read only/archive.
>>
>> --
>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>> --
>> _________
>>
>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not
>>> find
>>> this file/folder. Could this have another name?
>>>
>>> The personal settings are: Password>user profiles radio button> users
>>> can
>>> customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not
>>> have
>>> desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change
>>> settings>check
>>> desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the
>>> check
>>> box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the
>>> problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there were
>>> additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the
>>> other
>>> users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of
>>> personalized settings tweakable.
>>>
>>> Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled.
>>>
>>> I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing
>>> question on size.
>>>
>>> *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at
>>> log
>>> on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons in
>>> the
>>> tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of the
>>> system usually recovers this back to the normal.
>>>
>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> In response to your questions.
>>>>
>>>> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials.
>>>>
>>>>> 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The
>>>>> restart/reboot
>>>>> only when needed or requested.
>>>>> 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used disk
>>>>> cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser.
>>>>
>>>> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is named
>>>> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow system,
>>>> and
>>>> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual
>>>> settings
>>>> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you
>>>> may
>>>> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are
>>>> encountering.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 3. yes spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan
>>>>> also.
>>>>> 4. no this is not the problem.
>>>>> 5. desktop is set at 1024x768
>>>>> I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not
>>>>> having
>>>>> some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties
>>>>> quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other
> user
>> is
>>>> not
>>>>> having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though.
>>>>
>>>> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry
>>>> {and
>>>> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly
>>>> updated,
>>>> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools.
>>>> Some
>>>> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now
>>>> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and
>>>> other
>>>> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer with
>>>> user
>>>> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a
>>>> complete shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and swap
>>>> to
>>>> clear/reset.
>>>>
>>>> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER
>>>> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have
>>>> the
>>>> ability to save personal settings.
>>>>
>>>> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional
>>>> ability
>>>> to ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and
>>>> saved,
>>>> and either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. Desktop
>>>> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with multiple
>>>> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image
>>>> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take care
>>>> of
>>>> this issue.
>>>>
>>>> Also:
>>>> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you MAY
>>>> be
>>>> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video
>>>> card/chip
>>>> settings may need adjustment or refreshing.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange
>>>>>>> icons menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> screen even though the name, type, size and date are in order the
>>>>>>> icons
>>>>>>> themselves are in disarray. There are two users with personalized
>>>>>>> desktop settings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with
>>>>>>> large
>>>>>>> icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I
>> switch
>>>> back
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the
>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>> that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu.
>>>>>>> This becomes tiresome when working.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few things:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a
>>>>>> restart>logon?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after
>>>>>> placing
>>>>>> the Icons in the order you wish?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or
>>>>>> other Windows areas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the
>>>>>> ones
>>>>>> you are moving/arranging?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon
>>>>>> placements
>>>>>> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>>>> --
>>>> _________

 

[Jim]

There are actually 2 files: shelli~1 and shelliconcache which in properties
is called shelli~2

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:O2e%23H9plIHA.5660@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> You don't do anything with it (nor open it). It's supposed to be there.
> (unless you think its corrupted, or giving you some weird desktop icon
> problems, in which case you can delete it, and it will be rebuilt, as I
> mentioned in the other post)
>
> Jim wrote:
> > yes, I found it this time. I guess I was looking for a folder. When I
open
> > this file, what should I open with...notepad?
> >
> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:uzk2FrplIHA.5820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> Instead of relying on the Find command, did you look for it in windows
> >> explorer directly?
> >>
> >> I think its located in the c:\windows folder (or maybe it was
> >> c:\windows\system, but I don't think so)
> >>
> >> Normally that file gets rebuilt if deleted, although it may take a
couple
> >> of
> >> reboots (or better yet, turn the computer off, and then on again), to
do
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Jim wrote:
> >>> yes, "show all" I meant that setting.
> >>>
> >>>> It may be a hidden file. Do you have show hidden files enabled?
>
>

 

[Jim]

It was suggested by MEB to look at the registry size for a possble parsing
error.
uh...we have two cooks here in the kitchen.

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:e%23gNICqlIHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Why are you trying to open it in the first place? You shouldn't be.
> It's a windows data file for the cache.
>
> Jim wrote:
> > I found the file, I am having problem in the open with...dialogue box
with
> > explorer and I keep receiving a file download protection box that when I
> > ask
> > it to open it just DL and comes back with the same DL protection box.
> >
> > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23WGrU2plIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the main
> >> Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions.
> >>
> >> IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to
keep
> >> your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may
crop
> >> up
> >> in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue.
> >>
> >> Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of
> >> USER.DAT
> >> and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST
have
> >> Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All Files,
> >> {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might also
> >> want
> >> to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g.,
> >> hidden/system/read only/archive.
> >>
> >> --
> >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> >> --
> >> _________
> >>
> >> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>> I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not
> >>> find
> >>> this file/folder. Could this have another name?
> >>>
> >>> The personal settings are: Password>user profiles radio button> users
> >>> can
> >>> customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not
> >>> have
> >>> desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change
> >>> settings>check
> >>> desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the
> >>> check
> >>> box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the
> >>> problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there
were
> >>> additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the
> >>> other
> >>> users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of
> >>> personalized settings tweakable.
> >>>
> >>> Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled.
> >>>
> >>> I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing
> >>> question on size.
> >>>
> >>> *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at
> >>> log
> >>> on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons
in
> >>> the
> >>> tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of
the
> >>> system usually recovers this back to the normal.
> >>>
> >>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >>>>
> >>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>>>> In response to your questions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials.
> >>>>
> >>>>> 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The
> >>>>> restart/reboot
> >>>>> only when needed or requested.
> >>>>> 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used
disk
> >>>>> cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is
named
> >>>> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow
system,
> >>>> and
> >>>> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual
> >>>> settings
> >>>> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you
> >>>> may
> >>>> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are
> >>>> encountering.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> 3. yes spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan
> >>>>> also.
> >>>>> 4. no this is not the problem.
> >>>>> 5. desktop is set at 1024x768
> >>>>> I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not
> >>>>> having
> >>>>> some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties
> >>>>> quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other
> > user
> >> is
> >>>> not
> >>>>> having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though.
> >>>>
> >>>> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry
> >>>> {and
> >>>> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly
> >>>> updated,
> >>>> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools.
> >>>> Some
> >>>> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now
> >>>> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and
> >>>> other
> >>>> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer
with
> >>>> user
> >>>> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a
> >>>> complete shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and
swap
> >>>> to
> >>>> clear/reset.
> >>>>
> >>>> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER
> >>>> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have
> >>>> the
> >>>> ability to save personal settings.
> >>>>
> >>>> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional
> >>>> ability
> >>>> to ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and
> >>>> saved,
> >>>> and either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually.
Desktop
> >>>> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with
multiple
> >>>> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image
> >>>> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take
care
> >>>> of
> >>>> this issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also:
> >>>> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you
MAY
> >>>> be
> >>>> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video
> >>>> card/chip
> >>>> settings may need adjustment or refreshing.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the
arrange
> >>>>>>> icons menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> screen even though the name, type, size and date are in order the
> >>>>>>> icons
> >>>>>>> themselves are in disarray. There are two users with personalized
> >>>>>>> desktop settings.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with
> >>>>>>> large
> >>>>>>> icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I
> >> switch
> >>>> back
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the
> >>>>>>> point
> >>>>>>> that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application
menu.
> >>>>>>> This becomes tiresome when working.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A few things:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a
> >>>>>> restart>logon?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after
> >>>>>> placing
> >>>>>> the Icons in the order you wish?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry
and/or
> >>>>>> other Windows areas?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the
> >>>>>> ones
> >>>>>> you are moving/arranging?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon
> >>>>>> placements
> >>>>>> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop].
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> >>>> --
> >>>> _________
>
>

 

[Bill in Co.]

OK, I'll pass the baton over to MEB then.

Jim wrote:
> It was suggested by MEB to look at the registry size for a possble parsing
> error.
> uh...we have two cooks here in the kitchen.
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:e%23gNICqlIHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Why are you trying to open it in the first place? You shouldn't be.
>> It's a windows data file for the cache.
>>
>> Jim wrote:
>>> I found the file, I am having problem in the open with...dialogue box
>>> with
>>> explorer and I keep receiving a file download protection box that when I
>>> ask
>>> it to open it just DL and comes back with the same DL protection box.
>>>
>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23WGrU2plIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the main
>>>> Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to
>>>> keep
>>>> your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may
>>>> crop
>>>> up
>>>> in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue.
>>>>
>>>> Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of
>>>> USER.DAT
>>>> and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST
>>>> have
>>>> Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All Files,
>>>> {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might also
>>>> want
>>>> to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g.,
>>>> hidden/system/read only/archive.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>>>> --
>>>> _________
>>>>
>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not
>>>>> find
>>>>> this file/folder. Could this have another name?
>>>>>
>>>>> The personal settings are: Password>user profiles radio button> users
>>>>> can
>>>>> customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not
>>>>> have
>>>>> desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change
>>>>> settings>check
>>>>> desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the
>>>>> check
>>>>> box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the
>>>>> problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there
>>>>> were
>>>>> additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the
>>>>> other
>>>>> users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of
>>>>> personalized settings tweakable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing
>>>>> question on size.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at
>>>>> log
>>>>> on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons
>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>> tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of
>>>>> the
>>>>> system usually recovers this back to the normal.
>>>>>
>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> In response to your questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The
>>>>>>> restart/reboot
>>>>>>> only when needed or requested.
>>>>>>> 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used
>>>>>>> disk
>>>>>>> cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is
>>>>>> named
>>>>>> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow
>>>>>> system,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual
>>>>>> settings
>>>>>> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are
>>>>>> encountering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. yes spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan
>>>>>>> also.
>>>>>>> 4. no this is not the problem.
>>>>>>> 5. desktop is set at 1024x768
>>>>>>> I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not
>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>> some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties
>>>>>>> quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other
>>> user
>>>> is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry
>>>>>> {and
>>>>>> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly
>>>>>> updated,
>>>>>> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools.
>>>>>> Some
>>>>>> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now
>>>>>> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> user
>>>>>> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a
>>>>>> complete shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and
>>>>>> swap
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> clear/reset.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER
>>>>>> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ability to save personal settings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional
>>>>>> ability
>>>>>> to ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and
>>>>>> saved,
>>>>>> and either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually.
>>>>>> Desktop
>>>>>> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with
>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image
>>>>>> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take
>>>>>> care
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> this issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also:
>>>>>> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you
>>>>>> MAY
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video
>>>>>> card/chip
>>>>>> settings may need adjustment or refreshing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the
>>>>>>>>> arrange
>>>>>>>>> icons menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> screen even though the name, type, size and date are in order the
>>>>>>>>> icons
>>>>>>>>> themselves are in disarray. There are two users with personalized
>>>>>>>>> desktop settings.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with
>>>>>>>>> large
>>>>>>>>> icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I
>>>> switch
>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the
>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>> that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application
>>>>>>>>> menu.
>>>>>>>>> This becomes tiresome when working.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A few things:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a
>>>>>>>> restart>logon?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after
>>>>>>>> placing
>>>>>>>> the Icons in the order you wish?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry
>>>>>>>> and/or
>>>>>>>> other Windows areas?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the
>>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>>> you are moving/arranging?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon
>>>>>>>> placements
>>>>>>>> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop].
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> _________

 

[Jim]

That's ok. The more the better because you may see something that others
miss. If you read the post from beginning you see what the problem is. Every
time I use the [arrange icon] feature on the drop down application menu
(right click) and choose an arrange format, the icons go to this order but
are maligned on the left side of the screen. There are two users with
personalized privileges and this only happens on my desktop. If I goto
display properties effects tab and choose large icons and then arrange the
desktop again it will straighten out. Then I must go back and click it back
to small icons on the effect tab. It is a pain when working with
file/folders and what not on the desktop.

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eUE7PMqlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> OK, I'll pass the baton over to MEB then.
>
> Jim wrote:
> > It was suggested by MEB to look at the registry size for a possble
parsing
> > error.
> > uh...we have two cooks here in the kitchen.
> >
> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:e%23gNICqlIHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> Why are you trying to open it in the first place? You shouldn't be.
> >> It's a windows data file for the cache.
> >>
> >> Jim wrote:
> >>> I found the file, I am having problem in the open with...dialogue box
> >>> with
> >>> explorer and I keep receiving a file download protection box that when
I
> >>> ask
> >>> it to open it just DL and comes back with the same DL protection box.
> >>>
> >>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:%23WGrU2plIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>> No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the
main
> >>>> Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions.
> >>>>
> >>>> IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to
> >>>> keep
> >>>> your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may
> >>>> crop
> >>>> up
> >>>> in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of
> >>>> USER.DAT
> >>>> and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST
> >>>> have
> >>>> Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All
Files,
> >>>> {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might
also
> >>>> want
> >>>> to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g.,
> >>>> hidden/system/read only/archive.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> >>>> --
> >>>> _________
> >>>>
> >>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>> news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>>> I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did
not
> >>>>> find
> >>>>> this file/folder. Could this have another name?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The personal settings are: Password>user profiles radio button>
users
> >>>>> can
> >>>>> customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change
> >>>>> settings>check
> >>>>> desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the
> >>>>> check
> >>>>> box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been
the
> >>>>> problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there
> >>>>> were
> >>>>> additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the
> >>>>> other
> >>>>> users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of
> >>>>> personalized settings tweakable.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the
parsing
> >>>>> question on size.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users
at
> >>>>> log
> >>>>> on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> system usually recovers this back to the normal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>> In response to your questions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The
> >>>>>>> restart/reboot
> >>>>>>> only when needed or requested.
> >>>>>>> 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used
> >>>>>>> disk
> >>>>>>> cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is
> >>>>>> named
> >>>>>> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow
> >>>>>> system,
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual
> >>>>>> settings
> >>>>>> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs
you
> >>>>>> may
> >>>>>> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are
> >>>>>> encountering.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 3. yes spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan
> >>>>>>> also.
> >>>>>>> 4. no this is not the problem.
> >>>>>>> 5. desktop is set at 1024x768
> >>>>>>> I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not
> >>>>>>> having
> >>>>>>> some check in password/user profile enabled or a display
properties
> >>>>>>> quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other
> >>> user
> >>>> is
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>>> having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the
registry
> >>>>>> {and
> >>>>>> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly
> >>>>>> updated,
> >>>>>> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools.
> >>>>>> Some
> >>>>>> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs
now
> >>>>>> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry,
and
> >>>>>> other
> >>>>>> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>> user
> >>>>>> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a
> >>>>>> complete shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and
> >>>>>> swap
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> clear/reset.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER
> >>>>>> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users
have
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> ability to save personal settings.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional
> >>>>>> ability
> >>>>>> to ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and
> >>>>>> saved,
> >>>>>> and either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually.
> >>>>>> Desktop
> >>>>>> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with
> >>>>>> multiple
> >>>>>> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing,
image
> >>>>>> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take
> >>>>>> care
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> this issue.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also:
> >>>>>> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you
> >>>>>> MAY
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video
> >>>>>> card/chip
> >>>>>> settings may need adjustment or refreshing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>>>> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the
> >>>>>>>>> arrange
> >>>>>>>>> icons menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side
of
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> screen even though the name, type, size and date are in order
the
> >>>>>>>>> icons
> >>>>>>>>> themselves are in disarray. There are two users with
personalized
> >>>>>>>>> desktop settings.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with
> >>>>>>>>> large
> >>>>>>>>> icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If
I
> >>>> switch
> >>>>>> back
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to
the
> >>>>>>>>> point
> >>>>>>>>> that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application
> >>>>>>>>> menu.
> >>>>>>>>> This becomes tiresome when working.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A few things:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a
> >>>>>>>> restart>logon?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after
> >>>>>>>> placing
> >>>>>>>> the Icons in the order you wish?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry
> >>>>>>>> and/or
> >>>>>>>> other Windows areas?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off]
the
> >>>>>>>> ones
> >>>>>>>> you are moving/arranging?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon
> >>>>>>>> placements
> >>>>>>>> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop].
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> _________
>
>

 

[Jim]

That small tweak in the Password user profile and User permissions have
solved the problem!
yippie!

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange icons
> menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the screen
even
> though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons themselves are
> in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop settings.
>
> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with large
icons
> checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I switch back
to
> small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the point
> that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu. This
> becomes tiresome when working.
>
> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
>
>

 

[Bill in Co.]

The only thing I know for certain is more general than this (your specific
problem).

When I've run into some erratically appearing icon problems on the desktop
(as in sluggish, or some being incorrect), it has often been a symptom of a
bloated Shelliconcache file, and so I've deleted that Shelliconcache file,
(and then it gets freshly rebuilt, with new icons) - and that's helped. I
don't think you have much to lose by trying that. Just be sure to reboot a
couple of times, and/or turn the computer off and then on again, to make
sure the file gets rebuilt.

Jim wrote:
> That's ok. The more the better because you may see something that others
> miss. If you read the post from beginning you see what the problem is.
> Every
> time I use the [arrange icon] feature on the drop down application menu
> (right click) and choose an arrange format, the icons go to this order but
> are maligned on the left side of the screen. There are two users with
> personalized privileges and this only happens on my desktop. If I goto
> display properties effects tab and choose large icons and then arrange the
> desktop again it will straighten out. Then I must go back and click it
> back
> to small icons on the effect tab. It is a pain when working with
> file/folders and what not on the desktop.
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:eUE7PMqlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> OK, I'll pass the baton over to MEB then.
>>
>> Jim wrote:
>>> It was suggested by MEB to look at the registry size for a possble
>>> parsing
>>> error.
>>> uh...we have two cooks here in the kitchen.
>>>
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:e%23gNICqlIHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Why are you trying to open it in the first place? You shouldn't be.
>>>> It's a windows data file for the cache.
>>>>
>>>> Jim wrote:
>>>>> I found the file, I am having problem in the open with...dialogue box
>>>>> with
>>>>> explorer and I keep receiving a file download protection box that when
>>>>> I
>>>>> ask
>>>>> it to open it just DL and comes back with the same DL protection box.
>>>>>
>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23WGrU2plIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the
>>>>>> main
>>>>>> Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to
>>>>>> keep
>>>>>> your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may
>>>>>> crop
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of
>>>>>> USER.DAT
>>>>>> and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All
>>>>>> Files,
>>>>>> {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g.,
>>>>>> hidden/system/read only/archive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> _________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>> this file/folder. Could this have another name?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The personal settings are: Password>user profiles radio button>
>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change
>>>>>>> settings>check
>>>>>>> desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the
>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>> box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of
>>>>>>> personalized settings tweakable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the
>>>>>>> parsing
>>>>>>> question on size.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> log
>>>>>>> on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> system usually recovers this back to the normal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> In response to your questions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The
>>>>>>>>> restart/reboot
>>>>>>>>> only when needed or requested.
>>>>>>>>> 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used
>>>>>>>>> disk
>>>>>>>>> cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is
>>>>>>>> named
>>>>>>>> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow
>>>>>>>> system,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual
>>>>>>>> settings
>>>>>>>> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are
>>>>>>>> encountering.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3. yes spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan
>>>>>>>>> also.
>>>>>>>>> 4. no this is not the problem.
>>>>>>>>> 5. desktop is set at 1024x768
>>>>>>>>> I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not
>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>> some check in password/user profile enabled or a display
>>>>>>>>> properties
>>>>>>>>> quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other
>>>>> user
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the
>>>>>>>> registry
>>>>>>>> {and
>>>>>>>> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly
>>>>>>>> updated,
>>>>>>>> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools.
>>>>>>>> Some
>>>>>>>> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs
>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> user
>>>>>>>> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a
>>>>>>>> complete shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and
>>>>>>>> swap
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> clear/reset.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER
>>>>>>>> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> ability to save personal settings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional
>>>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>> to ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and
>>>>>>>> saved,
>>>>>>>> and either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually.
>>>>>>>> Desktop
>>>>>>>> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with
>>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>>> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing,
>>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>>> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take
>>>>>>>> care
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> this issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also:
>>>>>>>> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you
>>>>>>>> MAY
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video
>>>>>>>> card/chip
>>>>>>>> settings may need adjustment or refreshing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the
>>>>>>>>>>> arrange
>>>>>>>>>>> icons menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> screen even though the name, type, size and date are in order
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> icons
>>>>>>>>>>> themselves are in disarray. There are two users with
>>>>>>>>>>> personalized
>>>>>>>>>>> desktop settings.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with
>>>>>>>>>>> large
>>>>>>>>>>> icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If
> I
>>>>>> switch
>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>> that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application
>>>>>>>>>>> menu.
>>>>>>>>>>> This becomes tiresome when working.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A few things:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a
>>>>>>>>>> restart>logon?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after
>>>>>>>>>> placing
>>>>>>>>>> the Icons in the order you wish?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry
>>>>>>>>>> and/or
>>>>>>>>>> other Windows areas?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off]
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>>>>> you are moving/arranging?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon
>>>>>>>>>> placements
>>>>>>>>>> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop].
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> _________

 

[Jim]

I will remember that technique and give it a try if this happens again.
thanks,

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:uXFBcTslIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> The only thing I know for certain is more general than this (your specific
> problem).
>
> When I've run into some erratically appearing icon problems on the desktop
> (as in sluggish, or some being incorrect), it has often been a symptom of
a
> bloated Shelliconcache file, and so I've deleted that Shelliconcache file,
> (and then it gets freshly rebuilt, with new icons) - and that's helped.
I
> don't think you have much to lose by trying that. Just be sure to reboot
a
> couple of times, and/or turn the computer off and then on again, to make
> sure the file gets rebuilt.
>
> Jim wrote:
> > That's ok. The more the better because you may see something that others
> > miss. If you read the post from beginning you see what the problem is.
> > Every
> > time I use the [arrange icon] feature on the drop down application menu
> > (right click) and choose an arrange format, the icons go to this order
but
> > are maligned on the left side of the screen. There are two users with
> > personalized privileges and this only happens on my desktop. If I goto
> > display properties effects tab and choose large icons and then arrange
the
> > desktop again it will straighten out. Then I must go back and click it
> > back
> > to small icons on the effect tab. It is a pain when working with
> > file/folders and what not on the desktop.
> >
> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:eUE7PMqlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> OK, I'll pass the baton over to MEB then.
> >>
> >> Jim wrote:
> >>> It was suggested by MEB to look at the registry size for a possble
> >>> parsing
> >>> error.
> >>> uh...we have two cooks here in the kitchen.
> >>>
> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:e%23gNICqlIHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >>>> Why are you trying to open it in the first place? You shouldn't
be.
> >>>> It's a windows data file for the cache.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim wrote:
> >>>>> I found the file, I am having problem in the open with...dialogue
box
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> explorer and I keep receiving a file download protection box that
when
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> ask
> >>>>> it to open it just DL and comes back with the same DL protection
box.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:%23WGrU2plIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>> No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the
> >>>>>> main
> >>>>>> Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help
to
> >>>>>> keep
> >>>>>> your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may
> >>>>>> crop
> >>>>>> up
> >>>>>> in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of
> >>>>>> USER.DAT
> >>>>>> and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you
MUST
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>> Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All
> >>>>>> Files,
> >>>>>> {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might
> >>>>>> also
> >>>>>> want
> >>>>>> to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g.,
> >>>>>> hidden/system/read only/archive.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> _________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>> I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did
> >>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>> find
> >>>>>>> this file/folder. Could this have another name?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The personal settings are: Password>user profiles radio button>
> >>>>>>> users
> >>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>> customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did
not
> >>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>> desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change
> >>>>>>> settings>check
> >>>>>>> desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have
the
> >>>>>>> check
> >>>>>>> box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there
> >>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>> additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on
the
> >>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>> users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of
> >>>>>>> personalized settings tweakable.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the
> >>>>>>> parsing
> >>>>>>> question on size.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching
users
> >>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>> log
> >>>>>>> on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the
icons
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot
of
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> system usually recovers this back to the normal.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>>>> In response to your questions.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The
> >>>>>>>>> restart/reboot
> >>>>>>>>> only when needed or requested.
> >>>>>>>>> 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used
> >>>>>>>>> disk
> >>>>>>>>> cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is
> >>>>>>>> named
> >>>>>>>> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow
> >>>>>>>> system,
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual
> >>>>>>>> settings
> >>>>>>>> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs
> >>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> may
> >>>>>>>> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are
> >>>>>>>> encountering.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 3. yes spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry
scan
> >>>>>>>>> also.
> >>>>>>>>> 4. no this is not the problem.
> >>>>>>>>> 5. desktop is set at 1024x768
> >>>>>>>>> I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of
not
> >>>>>>>>> having
> >>>>>>>>> some check in password/user profile enabled or a display
> >>>>>>>>> properties
> >>>>>>>>> quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other
> >>>>> user
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>> having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the
> >>>>>>>> registry
> >>>>>>>> {and
> >>>>>>>> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly
> >>>>>>>> updated,
> >>>>>>>> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring
tools.
> >>>>>>>> Some
> >>>>>>>> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs
> >>>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>>> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry,
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> user
> >>>>>>>> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without
a
> >>>>>>>> complete shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and
> >>>>>>>> swap
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> clear/reset.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual
USER
> >>>>>>>> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> ability to save personal settings.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional
> >>>>>>>> ability
> >>>>>>>> to ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined
and
> >>>>>>>> saved,
> >>>>>>>> and either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually.
> >>>>>>>> Desktop
> >>>>>>>> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with
> >>>>>>>> multiple
> >>>>>>>> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing,
> >>>>>>>> image
> >>>>>>>> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to
take
> >>>>>>>> care
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> this issue.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Also:
> >>>>>>>> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files,
you
> >>>>>>>> MAY
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video
> >>>>>>>> card/chip
> >>>>>>>> settings may need adjustment or refreshing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>> news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>>>>>> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the
> >>>>>>>>>>> arrange
> >>>>>>>>>>> icons menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side
> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> screen even though the name, type, size and date are in order
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> icons
> >>>>>>>>>>> themselves are in disarray. There are two users with
> >>>>>>>>>>> personalized
> >>>>>>>>>>> desktop settings.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab
with
> >>>>>>>>>>> large
> >>>>>>>>>>> icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons.
If
> > I
> >>>>>> switch
> >>>>>>>> back
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> point
> >>>>>>>>>>> that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application
> >>>>>>>>>>> menu.
> >>>>>>>>>>> This becomes tiresome when working.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> A few things:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a
> >>>>>>>>>> restart>logon?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild
after
> >>>>>>>>>> placing
> >>>>>>>>>> the Icons in the order you wish?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry
> >>>>>>>>>> and/or
> >>>>>>>>>> other Windows areas?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off]
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> ones
> >>>>>>>>>> you are moving/arranging?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon
> >>>>>>>>>> placements
> >>>>>>>>>> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop].
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> _________
>
>