Re: Ping: thanatoid

[thanatoid]

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
news:qMadnY8_361wOYHVnZ2dnUVZ_oimnZ2d@ntd.net:

<SNIP>

>> > If I set the dial to "ten copies" but just put a single
>> > sheet of paper in the machine...if you hit the "0" it
>> > will punch a hole in the paper!!!!
>>
>> I /think/ I might have seen that one once somewhere. And I
>> always thought the Selectric ball was an astonishing feat
>> of ingenuity and engineering!
>
> The IBM typewriter that I used to punch the holes was one
> of their pre- Selectric models.

I understand that, I did not confuse them, I just put everything
in one paragraph

> The motor is pretty
> large...maybe a 1/8th HP???

>>>
>> I think I understand now. (And we both know you are not a
>> programming dummy.)
>>
> Oh no! I am a *serious* programming dummy.
> Yes, I could manage to write a few simple programs...
> but I honestly did not have the skills for doing it
> professionally.

Well, then you're not a programming dummy, and it is enough to
look at a few programs to realize many "professionals"
(especially those in northwest Washington state) are idiots!

> I am the biggest joker in the world...
> but someone tells me on or plays it sails over my head. <G>

I have the same problem. That's why purely verbal communication
(like here) often gets me confused.

<SNIP>

>> I'll keep it in mind for the dark day when I can no longer
>> run 98SE Lite. Having never even SEEN Linux (except ONE
>> screen shot which looked disturbingly like Windows) it
>> seems to me the hardest thing will be to decide which
>> distro to go with! I don't think I would have the patience
>> to try several.. not to mention I DO use a 33.6 modem! But
>> I have lots of time...
>
> Well if you want to fool with it...

When I HAVE to I will.

> on a 33.6k modem it may take six hours to download...

My machine is on 24/7 half the time. (Is that a contradiction?)

> but I used to do stuff like then when I was on dial up.
> I highly suggest a download manager.

I use a great one called FileHound. Marvelous. Free demo
forever, but I paid for it - like I paid for Xnews.

> You will also need a cd burned and software than can burn
> an .iso image

Got all that. All of a sudden you are talking to me as if you
forgot that I am not TOTALLY ignorant of computers, just not as
good with them as you are!

%-/

<SNIP>

>> > bathroom! That was quite humiliating for him I
>> > assure you!!!
>>
>> Hee hee.
>
> BTW: I did not look too closely !

There are /some/ things /no one/ wants to see.

<SNIP>

> When I encounter some idiot manager at work
> who tries to tell me how to do the job I've held since
> before he/she was born.
> I do not argue. I smile, say "yes" then just do it my own
> way. Sometimes they even tell me later: See told you that
> would work.

That's one of the many reasons why you are successful and I am a
failure.

<SNIP>

> It's the coffee you know!

I read recently it's the second biggest trade product after oil!
And I always thought it was soybeans!


--
Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite in so far, I mean,
as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas
most people deserve none at all and again in so far as it
demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people,
when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.

- Arthur Schopenhauer

 

[philo]

<snip>
>
> Well, then you're not a programming dummy, and it is enough to
> look at a few programs to realize many "professionals"
> (especially those in northwest Washington state) are idiots!

Though I am a good trouble-shooter. I absolutely assure you.
I am not a programmer of any sort. I stuck with it only long enough to prove
to myself that I could do it...then quit.

When I first got my job...I would attempt to tackle any technical problem
no matter how difficult. Though I somehow managed to get the job
done...after
33 years on the job I grew a lot smarter. I learned to say "NO" to jobs that
I did not feel
qualified to perform. If I am not reasonably sure I can get the problem
solved...
and can get a hold of someone better qualified in that particular area...
I refer the job to them. Sometimes it's a lot smarter to say: "That job is
beyond my capabilites."

>
> > I am the biggest joker in the world...
> > but someone tells me on or plays it sails over my head. <G>
>
> I have the same problem. That's why purely verbal communication
> (like here) often gets me confused.
>
Yes, facial expressions are a *very* important part of communication!
>
> >> I'll keep it in mind for the dark day when I can no longer
> >> run 98SE Lite. Having never even SEEN Linux (except ONE
> >> screen shot which looked disturbingly like Windows) it
> >> seems to me the hardest thing will be to decide which
> >> distro to go with! I don't think I would have the patience
> >> to try several.. not to mention I DO use a 33.6 modem! But
> >> I have lots of time...
> >
> > Well if you want to fool with it...
>
> When I HAVE to I will.
>
> > on a 33.6k modem it may take six hours to download...
>
> My machine is on 24/7 half the time. (Is that a contradiction?)

I always do stuff like that...sometimes <G>

>
> > but I used to do stuff like then when I was on dial up.
> > I highly suggest a download manager.
>
> I use a great one called FileHound. Marvelous. Free demo
> forever, but I paid for it - like I paid for Xnews.

I tend to use free stuff if possible...but some of it is so good
that I do pay anyway

> > You will also need a cd burned and software than can burn
> > an .iso image
>
> Got all that. All of a sudden you are talking to me as if you
> forgot that I am not TOTALLY ignorant of computers, just not as
> good with them as you are!
>
> %-/
>

****very sorry****

BTW: Just because I get them fixed does not mean I am good at it.
I am simply very persistent and don't give up until the njob is done.
I assure you, there is a lot of trial and error!

>
> >> > bathroom! That was quite humiliating for him I
> >> > assure you!!!
> >>
> >> Hee hee.
> >
> > BTW: I did not look too closely !
>
> There are /some/ things /no one/ wants to see.
>
<G>
>
> > When I encounter some idiot manager at work
> > who tries to tell me how to do the job I've held since
> > before he/she was born.
> > I do not argue. I smile, say "yes" then just do it my own
> > way. Sometimes they even tell me later: See told you that
> > would work.
>
> That's one of the many reasons why you are successful and I am a
> failure.
>


You are only a failure if you think you are a failure.
I have found that when I am working on something and reach a dead-end...
the best thing to so is stop wracking your brains...then walk away.
The solution often surfaces the next day...
after getting some sleep.

There are of course some problems, you seem to work out in your mind
during your entire lifetime

>
> > It's the coffee you know!
>
> I read recently it's the second biggest trade product after oil!
> And I always thought it was soybeans!
>
>

All I can say is I am glad that I live within walking distance of a coffee
roaster.
We go though a lot of it here

 

[philo]

<snip>

> > 33 years on the job I grew a lot smarter. I learned to say
> > "NO" to jobs that I did not feel
> > qualified to perform. If I am not reasonably sure I can get
> > the problem solved...
> > and can get a hold of someone better qualified in that
> > particular area... I refer the job to them. Sometimes it's
> > a lot smarter to say: "That job is beyond my capabilites."
>
> Unless your manager or company president is a moron.

From what I've observed...
to be a "good" manager, being a moron is a great asset.
To have a horrible personality is a big help too!

>
> Aside from my "bad attitude" (I always wanted to say "care to
> look at my paycheck to understand my attitude, sir?" but I never
> got the chance, he babbled non-stop even more than I do), the
> main reason I was fired (after 8½ yrs) from my last job is that
> the manager of the dept (the 10th or so in 6 years, that tells
> you something...) decided that since (here he was correct) I was
> better with software than anyone else, I should become the
> "company software specialist" and (here he was a CRETIN) do all
> AutoCAD work for the /engineering department/!
>

My first job was that of a bus boy...when I was 16 years old.
I made $1.10 and hour plus a few small tips.
When someone asks me how much money I now earn...
I always tell them the wages I had earned as a bus boy.
They usually look at me in frustration, then ask again...
"But how much to you make now?" (as if it's any ot their business)

I smile at that point, conjure up a look of elite superiority and
with the most eloquent enunciative hauteur sneer: " !!!! TWICE as much!!!!


No one has ever failed to catch my humor there!

>
> >> %-/
> >>
> >
> > ****very sorry****
>
> It's OK. I babble so much it's easy to forget I am not an idiot.
> Of course, MANY people think I /am/ an idiot - and they may well
> be correct. I don't care.
>
>


You babble. I babble.

We walked to the river today...and the river babbled.

A family of geese and their goslings there.

I wiped my head:

There was no hair.

 

[thanatoid]

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
news:b5adnYHvwLNLnoPVnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@ntd.net:

<SNIP>

> My first job was that of a bus boy...when I was 16 years
> old. I made $1.10 and hour plus a few small tips.
> When someone asks me how much money I now earn...
> I always tell them the wages I had earned as a bus boy.
> They usually look at me in frustration, then ask again...
> "But how much to you make now?" (as if it's any ot their
> business)
>
> I smile at that point, conjure up a look of elite
> superiority and with the most eloquent enunciative hauteur
> sneer: " !!!! TWICE as much!!!!
>
> No one has ever failed to catch my humor there!

I am afraid I have to join the ranks of the idiots. :-(((

<SNIP>

> You babble. I babble.
>
> We walked to the river today...and the river babbled.
>
> A family of geese and their goslings there.
>
> I wiped my head:
>
> There was no hair.

/almost falls off chair from laughing/

You ARE a poet!


--
There is no doubt that life is given us, not to be enjoyed, but
to be overcome--to be got over.

- Arthur Schopenhauer

 

[DaffyD®]

Philo, you mean well and your objective is to help people. Thanatoid is a
first class idiot, moron, and horse's butt and that I why I block all of his
posts.
--
{ : [|]=( DaffyD®

If I knew where I was I'd be there now.


"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:b5adnYHvwLNLnoPVnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@ntd.net...
>
> <snip>
>
> > > 33 years on the job I grew a lot smarter. I learned to say
> > > "NO" to jobs that I did not feel
> > > qualified to perform. If I am not reasonably sure I can get
> > > the problem solved...
> > > and can get a hold of someone better qualified in that
> > > particular area... I refer the job to them. Sometimes it's
> > > a lot smarter to say: "That job is beyond my capabilites."
> >
> > Unless your manager or company president is a moron.
>
> From what I've observed...
> to be a "good" manager, being a moron is a great asset.
> To have a horrible personality is a big help too!
>
> >
> > Aside from my "bad attitude" (I always wanted to say "care to
> > look at my paycheck to understand my attitude, sir?" but I never
> > got the chance, he babbled non-stop even more than I do), the
> > main reason I was fired (after 8½ yrs) from my last job is that
> > the manager of the dept (the 10th or so in 6 years, that tells
> > you something...) decided that since (here he was correct) I was
> > better with software than anyone else, I should become the
> > "company software specialist" and (here he was a CRETIN) do all
> > AutoCAD work for the /engineering department/!
> >
>
> My first job was that of a bus boy...when I was 16 years old.
> I made $1.10 and hour plus a few small tips.
> When someone asks me how much money I now earn...
> I always tell them the wages I had earned as a bus boy.
> They usually look at me in frustration, then ask again...
> "But how much to you make now?" (as if it's any ot their business)
>
> I smile at that point, conjure up a look of elite superiority and
> with the most eloquent enunciative hauteur sneer: " !!!! TWICE as much!!!!
>
>
> No one has ever failed to catch my humor there!
>
> >
> > >> %-/
> > >>
> > >
> > > ****very sorry****
> >
> > It's OK. I babble so much it's easy to forget I am not an idiot.
> > Of course, MANY people think I /am/ an idiot - and they may well
> > be correct. I don't care.
> >
> >
>
>
> You babble. I babble.
>
> We walked to the river today...and the river babbled.
>
> A family of geese and their goslings there.
>
> I wiped my head:
>
> There was no hair.
>
>

 

[Bill in Co.]

LOL. And, what's worse, even proud of it!

DaffyD® wrote:
> Philo, you mean well and your objective is to help people. Thanatoid is a
> first class idiot, moron, and horse's butt and that I why I block all of
> his
> posts.
> --
> { : [|]=( DaffyD®
>
> If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
>
>
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:b5adnYHvwLNLnoPVnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@ntd.net...
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> 33 years on the job I grew a lot smarter. I learned to say
>>>> "NO" to jobs that I did not feel
>>>> qualified to perform. If I am not reasonably sure I can get
>>>> the problem solved...
>>>> and can get a hold of someone better qualified in that
>>>> particular area... I refer the job to them. Sometimes it's
>>>> a lot smarter to say: "That job is beyond my capabilites."
>>>
>>> Unless your manager or company president is a moron.
>>
>> From what I've observed...
>> to be a "good" manager, being a moron is a great asset.
>> To have a horrible personality is a big help too!
>>
>>>
>>> Aside from my "bad attitude" (I always wanted to say "care to
>>> look at my paycheck to understand my attitude, sir?" but I never
>>> got the chance, he babbled non-stop even more than I do), the
>>> main reason I was fired (after 8½ yrs) from my last job is that
>>> the manager of the dept (the 10th or so in 6 years, that tells
>>> you something...) decided that since (here he was correct) I was
>>> better with software than anyone else, I should become the
>>> "company software specialist" and (here he was a CRETIN) do all
>>> AutoCAD work for the /engineering department/!
>>>
>>
>> My first job was that of a bus boy...when I was 16 years old.
>> I made $1.10 and hour plus a few small tips.
>> When someone asks me how much money I now earn...
>> I always tell them the wages I had earned as a bus boy.
>> They usually look at me in frustration, then ask again...
>> "But how much to you make now?" (as if it's any ot their business)
>>
>> I smile at that point, conjure up a look of elite superiority and
>> with the most eloquent enunciative hauteur sneer: " !!!! TWICE as
>> much!!!!
>>
>>
>> No one has ever failed to catch my humor there!
>>
>>>
>>>>> %-/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ****very sorry****
>>>
>>> It's OK. I babble so much it's easy to forget I am not an idiot.
>>> Of course, MANY people think I /am/ an idiot - and they may well
>>> be correct. I don't care.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> You babble. I babble.
>>
>> We walked to the river today...and the river babbled.
>>
>> A family of geese and their goslings there.
>>
>> I wiped my head:
>>
>> There was no hair.

 

[philo]

"DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
news:eUhScjrrIHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Philo, you mean well and your objective is to help people.
<cut>


Hi Daffy:

That little rhyme I had posted was not really
one of my regular poems.
The stuff I write is generally non-rhyming free verse...
with pretty deep undertones...
though some of it is light humor.


I enjoy conversing with most people...
and *try* not to pass value judgment on anyone ...
other than heads of state.

If someone bugs you...then sure...
go ahead and block them...that's what filters are for...
but no need to call names or hurl insults.

I like all types of people over a very wide range...
and (with the exception of heads of state) think most people offer something
valuable.

I happen to like thanatoid a lot...because he is a lot like me...
mis-understood.


The folks I "hang with" represent a very wide cross section of humanity...
though I am just an average working class "schlub" who hangs out with people
like myself...
due to my personality (it is not my good looks or money)...
my friends range from doctors to poets, lawyers to artists...
millionaires to penniless "bums" . PHD's...high school drop outs.
Prudes to "crack-whores" ...I know them all.

One of my college friends was on the design team at Cray research
and I got a tour of the plant while they were building the Cray-1. (Before
that, he worked at GE
and was part of the "CAT" scanner team. )

The guy who actually trained me for my job worked for Delco Electronics
and was on the team that designed the guidance system for the first moon
launch.
( I asked him how he had sunk so low as to work with me...he said that when
an entire team
is laid off en-mass, it's hard to get a job if your former boss is applying
for it.)

I could go on and on with all the very hi-level and straight-laced techies I
know...
but I prefer the likes of my friend Bob Watt:
http://www.batcharge.blogspot.com/


If you had a friend like my friend Bob Watt...
there is no one on Usenet you'd think was an odd-ball.

But amazingly...even if the kook who defines kookdom is my friend Bob...
in so many ways he's just a regular guy...who ...other than photographing
nude women...
loves nothing more than just sitting in his living room with friends and
watching a football game on TV.

Please! No name calling or insults... it is just plain undignified.

 

[Bill in Co.]

philo wrote:
> "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eUhScjrrIHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Philo, you mean well and your objective is to help people.
> <cut>
>
>
> Hi Daffy:
>
> That little rhyme I had posted was not really
> one of my regular poems.
> The stuff I write is generally non-rhyming free verse...
> with pretty deep undertones...
> though some of it is light humor.
>
>
> I enjoy conversing with most people...
> and *try* not to pass value judgment on anyone ...
> other than heads of state.
>
> If someone bugs you...then sure...
> go ahead and block them...that's what filters are for...
> but no need to call names or hurl insults.
>
> I like all types of people over a very wide range...
> and (with the exception of heads of state) think most people offer
> something
> valuable.
>
> I happen to like thanatoid a lot...because he is a lot like me...
> mis-understood.
>
>
> The folks I "hang with" represent a very wide cross section of humanity...
> though I am just an average working class "schlub" who hangs out with
> people
> like myself...
> due to my personality (it is not my good looks or money)...
> my friends range from doctors to poets, lawyers to artists...
> millionaires to penniless "bums" . PHD's...high school drop outs.
> Prudes to "crack-whores" ...I know them all.
>
> One of my college friends was on the design team at Cray research
> and I got a tour of the plant while they were building the Cray-1. (Before
> that, he worked at GE
> and was part of the "CAT" scanner team. )
>
> The guy who actually trained me for my job worked for Delco Electronics
> and was on the team that designed the guidance system for the first moon
> launch.
> ( I asked him how he had sunk so low as to work with me...he said that
> when
> an entire team
> is laid off en-mass, it's hard to get a job if your former boss is
> applying
> for it.)
>
> I could go on and on with all the very hi-level and straight-laced techies
> I
> know...
> but I prefer the likes of my friend Bob Watt:
> http://www.batcharge.blogspot.com/
>
>
> If you had a friend like my friend Bob Watt...
> there is no one on Usenet you'd think was an odd-ball.
>
> But amazingly...even if the kook who defines kookdom is my friend Bob...
> in so many ways he's just a regular guy...who ...other than photographing
> nude women...
> loves nothing more than just sitting in his living room with friends and
> watching a football game on TV.
>
> Please! No name calling or insults... it is just plain undignified.

True, but then again some of the people you (or perhaps some others) have
been defending are doing just that too, so maybe you need to say that to
them, too! (but yeah, I've been guilty of this, too) IOW, Equal
Opportunity Admonishment.

 

[philo]

<snip>
> >
> > If you had a friend like my friend Bob Watt...
> > there is no one on Usenet you'd think was an odd-ball.
> >
> > But amazingly...even if the kook who defines kookdom is my friend Bob...
> > in so many ways he's just a regular guy...who ...other than
photographing
> > nude women...
> > loves nothing more than just sitting in his living room with friends and
> > watching a football game on TV.
> >
> > Please! No name calling or insults... it is just plain undignified.
>
> True, but then again some of the people you (or perhaps some others) have
> been defending are doing just that too, so maybe you need to say that to
> them, too! (but yeah, I've been guilty of this, too) IOW, Equal
> Opportunity Admonishment.
>
>

I have only been talking to thanatoid for a short period of time...
so I do not know his history too well.

I don't recall defending him anywhere...merely stating that I like the guy.

But to clarify when I stated:

" Please! No name calling or insults... it is just plain undignified."


The statement was merely directed to all readers...
and probably most of all...a simple reminder to myself.

 

[DaffyD®]

Well, I got the one "dis" in me out of my system. As for you Bill, you've
been a cool guy ever since I first started reading your posts back in the
90's. Bob sounds like a guy I'd want to meet--if only for the photographing
naked women part. I'm not much of a football fan.
--
{ : [|]=( DaffyD®

If I knew where I was I'd be there now.



"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:O%23Kx9jvrIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> philo wrote:
> > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:eUhScjrrIHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> Philo, you mean well and your objective is to help people.
> > <cut>
> >
> >
> > Hi Daffy:
> >
> > That little rhyme I had posted was not really
> > one of my regular poems.
> > The stuff I write is generally non-rhyming free verse...
> > with pretty deep undertones...
> > though some of it is light humor.
> >
> >
> > I enjoy conversing with most people...
> > and *try* not to pass value judgment on anyone ...
> > other than heads of state.
> >
> > If someone bugs you...then sure...
> > go ahead and block them...that's what filters are for...
> > but no need to call names or hurl insults.
> >
> > I like all types of people over a very wide range...
> > and (with the exception of heads of state) think most people offer
> > something
> > valuable.
> >
> > I happen to like thanatoid a lot...because he is a lot like me...
> > mis-understood.
> >
> >
> > The folks I "hang with" represent a very wide cross section of
humanity...
> > though I am just an average working class "schlub" who hangs out with
> > people
> > like myself...
> > due to my personality (it is not my good looks or money)...
> > my friends range from doctors to poets, lawyers to artists...
> > millionaires to penniless "bums" . PHD's...high school drop outs.
> > Prudes to "crack-whores" ...I know them all.
> >
> > One of my college friends was on the design team at Cray research
> > and I got a tour of the plant while they were building the Cray-1.
(Before
> > that, he worked at GE
> > and was part of the "CAT" scanner team. )
> >
> > The guy who actually trained me for my job worked for Delco Electronics
> > and was on the team that designed the guidance system for the first moon
> > launch.
> > ( I asked him how he had sunk so low as to work with me...he said that
> > when
> > an entire team
> > is laid off en-mass, it's hard to get a job if your former boss is
> > applying
> > for it.)
> >
> > I could go on and on with all the very hi-level and straight-laced
techies
> > I
> > know...
> > but I prefer the likes of my friend Bob Watt:
> > http://www.batcharge.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> > If you had a friend like my friend Bob Watt...
> > there is no one on Usenet you'd think was an odd-ball.
> >
> > But amazingly...even if the kook who defines kookdom is my friend Bob...
> > in so many ways he's just a regular guy...who ...other than
photographing
> > nude women...
> > loves nothing more than just sitting in his living room with friends and
> > watching a football game on TV.
> >
> > Please! No name calling or insults... it is just plain undignified.
>
> True, but then again some of the people you (or perhaps some others) have
> been defending are doing just that too, so maybe you need to say that to
> them, too! (but yeah, I've been guilty of this, too) IOW, Equal
> Opportunity Admonishment.
>
>

 

[DaffyD®]

There's a little history behind why I wrote what I did about that guy. No
reason to go into it now. It just seems like this group is filled with
flaming posts in a number of different threads. People were much more
polite in the old days, including me!
--
{ : [|]=( DaffyD®

If I knew where I was I'd be there now.


"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eUhScjrrIHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > Philo, you mean well and your objective is to help people.
> <cut>
>
>
> Hi Daffy:
>
> That little rhyme I had posted was not really
> one of my regular poems.
> The stuff I write is generally non-rhyming free verse...
> with pretty deep undertones...
> though some of it is light humor.
>
>
> I enjoy conversing with most people...
> and *try* not to pass value judgment on anyone ...
> other than heads of state.
>
> If someone bugs you...then sure...
> go ahead and block them...that's what filters are for...
> but no need to call names or hurl insults.
>
> I like all types of people over a very wide range...
> and (with the exception of heads of state) think most people offer
something
> valuable.
>
> I happen to like thanatoid a lot...because he is a lot like me...
> mis-understood.
>
>
> The folks I "hang with" represent a very wide cross section of humanity...
> though I am just an average working class "schlub" who hangs out with
people
> like myself...
> due to my personality (it is not my good looks or money)...
> my friends range from doctors to poets, lawyers to artists...
> millionaires to penniless "bums" . PHD's...high school drop outs.
> Prudes to "crack-whores" ...I know them all.
>
> One of my college friends was on the design team at Cray research
> and I got a tour of the plant while they were building the Cray-1. (Before
> that, he worked at GE
> and was part of the "CAT" scanner team. )
>
> The guy who actually trained me for my job worked for Delco Electronics
> and was on the team that designed the guidance system for the first moon
> launch.
> ( I asked him how he had sunk so low as to work with me...he said that
when
> an entire team
> is laid off en-mass, it's hard to get a job if your former boss is
applying
> for it.)
>
> I could go on and on with all the very hi-level and straight-laced techies
I
> know...
> but I prefer the likes of my friend Bob Watt:
> http://www.batcharge.blogspot.com/
>
>
> If you had a friend like my friend Bob Watt...
> there is no one on Usenet you'd think was an odd-ball.
>
> But amazingly...even if the kook who defines kookdom is my friend Bob...
> in so many ways he's just a regular guy...who ...other than photographing
> nude women...
> loves nothing more than just sitting in his living room with friends and
> watching a football game on TV.
>
> Please! No name calling or insults... it is just plain undignified.
>
>

 

[philo]

Re: Ping: thanatoid (now OT)

"DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
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> Well, I got the one "dis" in me out of my system. As for you Bill, you've
> been a cool guy ever since I first started reading your posts back in the
> 90's. Bob sounds like a guy I'd want to meet--if only for the
photographing
> naked women part. I'm not much of a football fan.
>


Well BobWatt is sort of like a father image to me.

he's now 83 years old and the same age my own father would be , were he
still alive.


He is still living as if it were 1967...

if you'd go over to his house and saw a painting you liked...

he'd probably say to you:

"Let me lay this on you man."

Once he said that to a friend (an ex-priest) I brought over to his "pad"
and when Bob "layed" something on him...
my friend said to me, "Did he just give that to me?"


Although I am not a sports fan either.
As a matter of fact I got rid of my TV 15 or so years ago...
once in a while I'll go over to Bob's house and watch a football game with
him...
and re-live the days when I was a kid and would watch a football game with
him.

It's just so incongruous (or perhaps not) to see a "kook" such as Bob...
enjoying such "normal" activates.


As far as the naked young women who seem to always be running around the
place...
though I never felt comfortable photographing them...
I did once pay two of his models to pose fully clothed...
but with cameras...urging Bob to dis-robe.
(thank goodness , he did not)

The funniest thing was...though the women would have had no problems posing
nude...
they had to talk it over carefully to do what I had wanted...
as they were afraid the request was a bit too odd.

Go figure.

BTW: The photo I took was with a medium format camera and it is of extreme
high quality and looks
quite eerie... It gets quite a bit of laughter from all the local artists
who all know who Bob is.

 

[philo]

"DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
news:OmCnDLzsIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> There's a little history behind why I wrote what I did about that guy. No
> reason to go into it now. It just seems like this group is filled with
> flaming posts in a number of different threads. People were much more
> polite in the old days, including me!
>

Polite?

Yes, when I started out on Usenet...
it was virtually unheard of to speak in an uncivilized manner.

Times have changed.

Way back...a million years ago... I was an amateur radio operator
and enjoyed talking to new people. I pretty much got out of it
when people grew impolite.

Usenet to me, is the 21st century version of amateur radio.
"Retrograde" behavior is an unfortunate symptom of the today's society...

Of course...
I'm sure those same word were spoken 10,000 years ago...
but simply in another language!

 

[Bill in Co.]

philo wrote:
> "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
> news:OmCnDLzsIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> There's a little history behind why I wrote what I did about that guy.
>> No
>> reason to go into it now. It just seems like this group is filled with
>> flaming posts in a number of different threads. People were much more
>> polite in the old days, including me!
>>
>
> Polite?
>
> Yes, when I started out on Usenet...
> it was virtually unheard of to speak in an uncivilized manner.
>
> Times have changed.

Haven't they though. And a lot for the worse (in society).

> Way back...a million years ago... I was an amateur radio operator
> and enjoyed talking to new people. I pretty much got out of it
> when people grew impolite.

And I pretty much got out of it when all it consisted of was a bunch of
"appliance operators", with NO knowledge of radio and electronics (which is
what it was all about), whatsoever. Many, many, many, moons ago (I'm
talking about the days we built a lot of our own stuff, and actually
experimented with it)

> Usenet to me, is the 21st century version of amateur radio.
> "Retrograde" behavior is an unfortunate symptom of the today's society...

 

[philo]

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:OR8jIQ6sIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> philo wrote:
> > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:OmCnDLzsIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> There's a little history behind why I wrote what I did about that guy.
> >> No
> >> reason to go into it now. It just seems like this group is filled with
> >> flaming posts in a number of different threads. People were much more
> >> polite in the old days, including me!
> >>
> >
> > Polite?
> >
> > Yes, when I started out on Usenet...
> > it was virtually unheard of to speak in an uncivilized manner.
> >
> > Times have changed.
>
> Haven't they though. And a lot for the worse (in society).
>
> > Way back...a million years ago... I was an amateur radio operator
> > and enjoyed talking to new people. I pretty much got out of it
> > when people grew impolite.
>
> And I pretty much got out of it when all it consisted of was a bunch of
> "appliance operators", with NO knowledge of radio and electronics (which
is
> what it was all about), whatsoever. Many, many, many, moons ago (I'm
> talking about the days we built a lot of our own stuff, and actually
> experimented with it)


Cool, another radio operator!!!

Yep...back in those days we sure "learned by experimenting".
I never saw anyone hook AC to an electrolytic capacitor more than once!!!!

I got my license back in 1964 and still hold one...
but have not been on the air but a few times within the last 20 years.

Back in those vacuum tube days virtually everyone made at least some of
their own equipment and folks
like my advisor in school made their own components too (back in the really
old days).
At least I can say I wound my coils and got a lot of blisters from drilling
holes with a drill that I had to crank by hand!

When my father went out an spent nearly $10 for a Black and Decker quarter
inch drill
I was amazed beyond belief. I still own that drill and it works fine. (The
drill has cost 20 cents a year I guess)

So today, the world of computers has taken over my former obsession with
radio...
and as we used to gather up discarded TV's and radios for their
components...
today I gather up "junk-pile" computers. With the exception
of the new machines I build "on commission"...all the machines I have ever
built
were constructed primarily from discarded "junk".

Though most of the machines are either given away outright to folks who
cannot afford a machine
(or sold for $10 through the NPO where I volunteer)...
I do sometime manage to come across a P-III or even P-IV that I can get up
to $50 for.
So if I do have to buy parts from time to time...it's mostly from the meager
profits I've made.
In other words, though my little "business" is not making any money...I'm
not loosing money either.
Perfect.

I get a free education!


That said:
I still hold an overly-optimistic view of life
and think most people are basically good.







>
> > Usenet to me, is the 21st century version of amateur radio.
> > "Retrograde" behavior is an unfortunate symptom of the today's
society...
>
>

 

[Bill in Co.]

philo wrote:
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:OR8jIQ6sIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> philo wrote:
>>> "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OmCnDLzsIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> There's a little history behind why I wrote what I did about that guy.
>>>> No reason to go into it now. It just seems like this group is filled
>>>> with
>>>> flaming posts in a number of different threads. People were much more
>>>> polite in the old days, including me!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Polite?
>>>
>>> Yes, when I started out on Usenet...
>>> it was virtually unheard of to speak in an uncivilized manner.
>>>
>>> Times have changed.
>>
>> Haven't they though. And a lot for the worse (in society).
>>
>>> Way back...a million years ago... I was an amateur radio operator
>>> and enjoyed talking to new people. I pretty much got out of it
>>> when people grew impolite.
>>
>> And I pretty much got out of it when all it consisted of was a bunch of
>> "appliance operators", with NO knowledge of radio and electronics (which
>> is
>> what it was all about), whatsoever. Many, many, many, moons ago (I'm
>> talking about the days we built a lot of our own stuff, and actually
>> experimented with it)
>
>
> Cool, another radio operator!!!

Yup. (At least was one - not now)

> Yep...back in those days we sure "learned by experimenting".
> I never saw anyone hook AC to an electrolytic capacitor more than once!!!!

LOL. (hey, but there are some non-polarized ones out there but granted,
they are the *exception*, and not the rule (used for apps like speaker
crossover networks, etc).

> I got my license back in 1964 and still hold one...

About the same time as me. But I let mine expire. I ultimately
got it up to Advanced Class, and noticed somewhat late it had expired one
day, but, by then, I had pretty much given up on the hobby - for the reasons
cited)

> but have not been on the air but a few times within the last 20 years.
>
> Back in those vacuum tube days virtually everyone made at least some of
> their own equipment and folks
> like my advisor in school made their own components too (back in the
> really
> old days).

Yes, and some of that predates me a bit too. (talking about the 20's,
30's, and 40's there, where they really made their own *components*. THAT
was the real heyday of Amateur Radio.

> At least I can say I wound my coils and got a lot of blisters from
> drilling
> holes with a drill that I had to crank by hand!



> When my father went out an spent nearly $10 for a Black and Decker quarter
> inch drill
> I was amazed beyond belief. I still own that drill and it works fine. (The
> drill has cost 20 cents a year I guess)
>
> So today, the world of computers has taken over my former obsession with
> radio...

Kinda the same here. Although I'm an EE by education, and I taught
electronics as an Associate Professor in various colleges for almost 30
years. Loved the teaching aspect of it, and seeing some of those "light
bulbs" turn on in the classes.

> and as we used to gather up discarded TV's and radios for their
> components...

Same here. Discarded tube TVs in their trash cans, out back.... It was
fun scavenging that stuff!

> today I gather up "junk-pile" computers. With the exception
> of the new machines I build "on commission"...all the machines I have ever
> built were constructed primarily from discarded "junk".
>
> Though most of the machines are either given away outright to folks who
> cannot afford a machine
> (or sold for $10 through the NPO where I volunteer)...
> I do sometime manage to come across a P-III or even P-IV that I can get up
> to $50 for.
> So if I do have to buy parts from time to time...it's mostly from the
> meager
> profits I've made.
> In other words, though my little "business" is not making any money...I'm
> not loosing money either.
> Perfect.
>
> I get a free education!

That sounds good! (and I got a free one recently, as you no doubt recall,
when I had to replace that Dell MB due to a power supply replacement
incompatibility (gee thanks, Dell). Actually, though, it was a good
learning experience...

> That said:
> I still hold an overly-optimistic view of life
> and think most people are basically good.

You may be a bit more optimistic than I am.
(I'm thinking now of the increasing lack of personal responsibility and
accountability these days ("it's not MY fault!"), with so many, these days).

 

[philo]

<snip>
> >
> > Cool, another radio operator!!!
>
> Yup. (At least was one - not now)
>
> > Yep...back in those days we sure "learned by experimenting".
> > I never saw anyone hook AC to an electrolytic capacitor more than
once!!!!
>
> LOL. (hey, but there are some non-polarized ones out there but
granted,
> they are the *exception*, and not the rule (used for apps like speaker
> crossover networks, etc).
>
> > I got my license back in 1964 and still hold one...
>
> About the same time as me. But I let mine expire. I
ultimately
> got it up to Advanced Class, and noticed somewhat late it had expired one
> day, but, by then, I had pretty much given up on the hobby - for the
reasons
> cited)
>

Yep.
I'll never forget the day my cousin and I took the train down to Chicago
and we both passed the exam for the Advanced. I still hold the Advanced
license...
though I guess they no longer issue it.
I never thought I'd see the day they no longer required Morse code...
that was tougher for me than the theory.
My advisor in school gave the test to three or four or us
and he told us we'd have a few minutes of practice first...
take a break, then have the exam.
After the practice session was over , he looked over our 'copy'
and said, "Well boys, that was the test. You've all passed!"

Whew, than goodness he tricked us like that.
Years later, that's exactly the way I passed the one student I gave an exam
to.
Too bad there weren't more.

> > but have not been on the air but a few times within the last 20 years.
> >
> > Back in those vacuum tube days virtually everyone made at least some of
> > their own equipment and folks
> > like my advisor in school made their own components too (back in the
> > really
> > old days).
>
> Yes, and some of that predates me a bit too. (talking about the 20's,
> 30's, and 40's there, where they really made their own *components*.
THAT
> was the real heyday of Amateur Radio.

Yep, though we missed those days...
are era was still a good one!
>
> > At least I can say I wound my coils and got a lot of blisters from
> > drilling
> > holes with a drill that I had to crank by hand!
>
>
>
> > When my father went out an spent nearly $10 for a Black and Decker
quarter
> > inch drill
> > I was amazed beyond belief. I still own that drill and it works fine.
(The
> > drill has cost 20 cents a year I guess)
> >
> > So today, the world of computers has taken over my former obsession with
> > radio...
>
> Kinda the same here. Although I'm an EE by education, and I taught
> electronics as an Associate Professor in various colleges for almost 30
> years. Loved the teaching aspect of it, and seeing some of those "light
> bulbs" turn on in the classes.


I've taught a few classes my self...
but either as a volunteer or under the auspices of my employer.
I don't know if I managed to teach much ..
but at least I always seemed to learn something in the process.
>
> > and as we used to gather up discarded TV's and radios for their
> > components...
>
> Same here. Discarded tube TVs in their trash cans, out back.... It
was
> fun scavenging that stuff!
>
> > today I gather up "junk-pile" computers. With the exception
> > of the new machines I build "on commission"...all the machines I have
ever
> > built were constructed primarily from discarded "junk".
> >
> > Though most of the machines are either given away outright to folks who
> > cannot afford a machine
> > (or sold for $10 through the NPO where I volunteer)...
> > I do sometime manage to come across a P-III or even P-IV that I can get
up
> > to $50 for.
> > So if I do have to buy parts from time to time...it's mostly from the
> > meager
> > profits I've made.
> > In other words, though my little "business" is not making any
money...I'm
> > not loosing money either.
> > Perfect.
> >
> > I get a free education!
>
> That sounds good! (and I got a free one recently, as you no doubt
recall,
> when I had to replace that Dell MB due to a power supply replacement
> incompatibility (gee thanks, Dell). Actually, though, it was a good
> learning experience...

Good old Dell.
I also had tried a standard ATX supply in one of those proprietary Dells
but did not damage anything in the process. But at least now I know the
difference.


> > That said:
> > I still hold an overly-optimistic view of life
> > and think most people are basically good.
>
> You may be a bit more optimistic than I am.
> (I'm thinking now of the increasing lack of personal responsibility and
> accountability these days ("it's not MY fault!"), with so many, these
days).
>
>

I know quite a few people even younger than my own daughter
and they are considerably better focused than I was when I was that age...
so I still retain a lot of optimism....but still I've seen some things that
I find hard to believe.


A number of years ago I was training a new man on the job...
since he did not get back to my department until mid-afternoon...
I told him we'd start officially the next day.
Since the parts room was a big mess, I simply asked him to straighten things
out a bit
and familiarize himself with the parts.


He just sat down at his desk and said:" Nah, I don't really feel like doing
that."

Sheesh! I did the best I could with the guy....
and management finally fired him for doing no work.

It took them 14 years to figure it out!!!!

!!!!AARGH!!!!!

 

[Bill in Co.]

philo wrote:
> <snip>
>>>
>>> Cool, another radio operator!!!
>>
>> Yup. (At least was one - not now)
>>
>>> Yep...back in those days we sure "learned by experimenting".
>>> I never saw anyone hook AC to an electrolytic capacitor more than
>>> once!!!!
>>
>> LOL. (hey, but there are some non-polarized ones out there but
>> granted,
>> they are the *exception*, and not the rule (used for apps like speaker
>> crossover networks, etc).
>>
>>> I got my license back in 1964 and still hold one...
>>
>> About the same time as me. But I let mine expire. I
>> ultimately
>> got it up to Advanced Class, and noticed somewhat late it had expired one
>> day, but, by then, I had pretty much given up on the hobby - for the
>> reasons
>> cited)
>>
>
> Yep.
> I'll never forget the day my cousin and I took the train down to Chicago
> and we both passed the exam for the Advanced. I still hold the Advanced
> license...
> though I guess they no longer issue it.
> I never thought I'd see the day they no longer required Morse code...
> that was tougher for me than the theory.

The code is what stopped me from even considering the Extra Class license.


> My advisor in school gave the test to three or four or us
> and he told us we'd have a few minutes of practice first...
> take a break, then have the exam.
> After the practice session was over , he looked over our 'copy'
> and said, "Well boys, that was the test. You've all passed!"
>
> Whew, than goodness he tricked us like that.
> Years later, that's exactly the way I passed the one student I gave an
> exam
> to.
> Too bad there weren't more.
>
>>> but have not been on the air but a few times within the last 20 years.
>>>
>>> Back in those vacuum tube days virtually everyone made at least some of
>>> their own equipment and folks
>>> like my advisor in school made their own components too (back in the
>>> really old days).
>>
>> Yes, and some of that predates me a bit too. (talking about the 20's,
>> 30's, and 40's there, where they really made their own *components*.
>> THAT was the real heyday of Amateur Radio.
>
> Yep, though we missed those days... our era was still a good one!

True enough. We just got in under the wire, methinks. Today most are
"appliance operators". (and I don't care how great the store bought
equipment is)

Oh yeah, and let's not forget the death of Heathkit. That really hit me
hard. :-(

>>> At least I can say I wound my coils and got a lot of blisters from
>>> drilling holes with a drill that I had to crank by hand!
>>
>>
>>
>>> When my father went out an spent nearly $10 for a Black and Decker
>>> quarter
>>> inch drill
>>> I was amazed beyond belief. I still own that drill and it works fine.
>>> (The
>>> drill has cost 20 cents a year I guess)
>>>
>>> So today, the world of computers has taken over my former obsession with
>>> radio...
>>
>> Kinda the same here. Although I'm an EE by education, and I taught
>> electronics as an Associate Professor in various colleges for almost 30
>> years. Loved the teaching aspect of it, and seeing some of those "light
>> bulbs" turn on in the classes.
>
>
> I've taught a few classes my self...
> but either as a volunteer or under the auspices of my employer.
> I don't know if I managed to teach much ..
> but at least I always seemed to learn something in the process.
>>
>>> and as we used to gather up discarded TV's and radios for their
>>> components...
>>
>> Same here. Discarded tube TVs in their trash cans, out back.... It
>> was
>> fun scavenging that stuff!
>>
>>> today I gather up "junk-pile" computers. With the exception
>>> of the new machines I build "on commission"...all the machines I have
>>> ever
>>> built were constructed primarily from discarded "junk".
>>>
>>> Though most of the machines are either given away outright to folks who
>>> cannot afford a machine
>>> (or sold for $10 through the NPO where I volunteer)...
>>> I do sometime manage to come across a P-III or even P-IV that I can get
>>> up
>>> to $50 for.
>>> So if I do have to buy parts from time to time...it's mostly from the
>>> meager
>>> profits I've made.
>>> In other words, though my little "business" is not making any
>>> money...I'm
>>> not loosing money either.
>>> Perfect.
>>>
>>> I get a free education!
>>
>> That sounds good! (and I got a free one recently, as you no doubt
>> recall,
>> when I had to replace that Dell MB due to a power supply replacement
>> incompatibility (gee thanks, Dell). Actually, though, it was a good
>> learning experience...
>
> Good old Dell.
> I also had tried a standard ATX supply in one of those proprietary Dells
> but did not damage anything in the process. But at least now I know the
> difference.

I know now too, but unfortunately it took out the MB in the process.

>>> That said:
>>> I still hold an overly-optimistic view of life
>>> and think most people are basically good.
>>
>> You may be a bit more optimistic than I am.
>> (I'm thinking now of the increasing lack of personal responsibility and
>> accountability these days ("it's not MY fault!"), with so many, these
>> days).
>>
>
> I know quite a few people even younger than my own daughter
> and they are considerably better focused than I was when I was that age...
> so I still retain a lot of optimism....but still I've seen some things
> that
> I find hard to believe.

Yeah, you can say that again.

> A number of years ago I was training a new man on the job...
> since he did not get back to my department until mid-afternoon...
> I told him we'd start officially the next day.
> Since the parts room was a big mess, I simply asked him to straighten
> things
> out a bit and familiarize himself with the parts.
>
>
> He just sat down at his desk and said:" Nah, I don't really feel like
> doing that."

Now THAT takes the cake!
(actually, given the times today, I'm not totally surprised, sad to say...)

> Sheesh! I did the best I could with the guy....
> and management finally fired him for doing no work.
>
> It took them 14 years to figure it out!!!!
>
> !!!!AARGH!!!!!

Yeah, really!! Of course it's a bit harder to do that today, too. (firing
and hiring).