Starting up your PC

A

attilathehun1

I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose on the
power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on another PC
and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2 points on
the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often started
his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If there
is a way to do that please tell me.
Thanks, attilathehun1
--
attilathehun1
 
?

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Most common is green to either black or ground,
but some boards, such as Dell's, may have other
than standard pin assignments.



"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...
> I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose on
the
> power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on another
PC
> and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2 points
on
> the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often
started
> his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If
there
> is a way to do that please tell me.
> Thanks,
attilathehun1
> --
> attilathehun1
 
A

attilathehun1

It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for it. It
has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off the
front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I think it
may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and
replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the metal
brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.
It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I used it
to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this one is
not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.
I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's not it,
then it's shorting out somehow.
Thanks, attilathehun1

--
attilathehun1


"." wrote:

> Most common is green to either black or ground,
> but some boards, such as Dell's, may have other
> than standard pin assignments.
>
>
>
> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...
> > I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose on
> the
> > power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on another
> PC
> > and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2 points
> on
> > the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often
> started
> > his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If
> there
> > is a way to do that please tell me.
> > Thanks,
> attilathehun1
> > --
> > attilathehun1
>
>
>
 
?

.

I should have noticed when you said that you swapped
it that the PC fired up making it unlikely that it was a non-
standard unit (unless of course the two were of the same
mfg). In any case, you need not acquire another start
button, if the power supply won't turn on by jumpering
the green wire to one of the black wires at the 20/24
wire motherboard connector, another button won't be
useful in getting it started. Power supplies want to have
a load so be sure to do so (such as the four wire
connector on a (P)ATA hard drive) before firing it up.
http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/22
http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml


"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4FD5122B-9418-4785-9179-89D932D59649@microsoft.com...
> It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for it.
It
> has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off the
> front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I think
it
> may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and
> replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the
metal
> brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.
> It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I used
it
> to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this one
is
> not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.
> I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's not
it,
> then it's shorting out somehow.
> Thanks, attilathehun1
>
> --
> attilathehun1
>
>
> "." wrote:
>
> > Most common is green to either black or ground,
> > but some boards, such as Dell's, may have other
> > than standard pin assignments.
> >
> >
> >
> > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
> > news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...
> > > I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose
on
> > the
> > > power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on
another
> > PC
> > > and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2
points
> > on
> > > the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often
> > started
> > > his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If
> > there
> > > is a way to do that please tell me.
> > > Thanks,
> > attilathehun1
> > > --
> > > attilathehun1
 
A

attilathehun1

No, I haven't tried that yet. I don't see the green and black or ground. I
better take a closer look at the motherboard. I think I'll go to the website
you have provided as a link.
Thanks, attilathehun1
--
attilathehun1


"." wrote:

> I should have noticed when you said that you swapped
> it that the PC fired up making it unlikely that it was a non-
> standard unit (unless of course the two were of the same
> mfg). In any case, you need not acquire another start
> button, if the power supply won't turn on by jumpering
> the green wire to one of the black wires at the 20/24
> wire motherboard connector, another button won't be
> useful in getting it started. Power supplies want to have
> a load so be sure to do so (such as the four wire
> connector on a (P)ATA hard drive) before firing it up.
> http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/22
> http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml
>
>
> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4FD5122B-9418-4785-9179-89D932D59649@microsoft.com...
> > It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for it.
> It
> > has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off the
> > front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I think
> it
> > may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and
> > replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the
> metal
> > brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.
> > It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I used
> it
> > to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this one
> is
> > not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.
> > I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's not
> it,
> > then it's shorting out somehow.
> > Thanks, attilathehun1
> >
> > --
> > attilathehun1
> >
> >
> > "." wrote:
> >
> > > Most common is green to either black or ground,
> > > but some boards, such as Dell's, may have other
> > > than standard pin assignments.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
> > > news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...
> > > > I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose
> on
> > > the
> > > > power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on
> another
> > > PC
> > > > and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2
> points
> > > on
> > > > the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often
> > > started
> > > > his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If
> > > there
> > > > is a way to do that please tell me.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > attilathehun1
> > > > --
> > > > attilathehun1
>
>
>
>
>
 
P

philo

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4FD5122B-9418-4785-9179-89D932D59649@microsoft.com...
> It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for it.
It
> has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off the
> front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I think
it
> may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and
> replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the
metal
> brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.
> It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I used
it
> to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this one
is
> not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.
> I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's not
it,
> then it's shorting out somehow.
> Thanks, attilathehun1
>



Before you buy a new button
just unplug the connector from the mobo and jump the two terminals together
with a small screw driver...
if the machine starts then your button may be bad
otherwise your problem lies elsewhere
you may have disturbed something when you added the HD
 
A

attilathehun1

Ok I see the green wire. It's on the P1 connector to the motherboard. So
stick a paperclip into the green wire socket and then to the black wire
socket? Ok, I'll give it a shot. Should I wait for your reply? Am I correct
or getting warm to the area that I should be using the paperclip? If I am or
not, please tell me. I'll wait before using the paperclip.
Thanks, attilathehun1

--
attilathehun1


"." wrote:

> I should have noticed when you said that you swapped
> it that the PC fired up making it unlikely that it was a non-
> standard unit (unless of course the two were of the same
> mfg). In any case, you need not acquire another start
> button, if the power supply won't turn on by jumpering
> the green wire to one of the black wires at the 20/24
> wire motherboard connector, another button won't be
> useful in getting it started. Power supplies want to have
> a load so be sure to do so (such as the four wire
> connector on a (P)ATA hard drive) before firing it up.
> http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/22
> http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml
>
>
> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4FD5122B-9418-4785-9179-89D932D59649@microsoft.com...
> > It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for it.
> It
> > has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off the
> > front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I think
> it
> > may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and
> > replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the
> metal
> > brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.
> > It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I used
> it
> > to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this one
> is
> > not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.
> > I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's not
> it,
> > then it's shorting out somehow.
> > Thanks, attilathehun1
> >
> > --
> > attilathehun1
> >
> >
> > "." wrote:
> >
> > > Most common is green to either black or ground,
> > > but some boards, such as Dell's, may have other
> > > than standard pin assignments.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
> > > news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...
> > > > I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose
> on
> > > the
> > > > power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on
> another
> > > PC
> > > > and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2
> points
> > > on
> > > > the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often
> > > started
> > > > his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If
> > > there
> > > > is a way to do that please tell me.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > attilathehun1
> > > > --
> > > > attilathehun1
>
>
>
>
>
 
?

.

Yes, that's correct. Should you desire to confirm refer
to that already sent and this primer I'd concur with any
suggestion that one shouldn't blindly accept the advice
given by an anonymous respondent on a newsgroup.
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/power-supply.htm


"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4EF0529B-E221-4D56-B922-BA4143BFFEC3@microsoft.com...
> Ok I see the green wire. It's on the P1 connector to the motherboard. So
> stick a paperclip into the green wire socket and then to the black wire
> socket? Ok, I'll give it a shot. Should I wait for your reply? Am I
correct
> or getting warm to the area that I should be using the paperclip? If I am
or
> not, please tell me. I'll wait before using the paperclip.
> Thanks,
attilathehun1
>
> --
> attilathehun1
>
>
> "." wrote:
>
> > I should have noticed when you said that you swapped
> > it that the PC fired up making it unlikely that it was a non-
> > standard unit (unless of course the two were of the same
> > mfg). In any case, you need not acquire another start
> > button, if the power supply won't turn on by jumpering
> > the green wire to one of the black wires at the 20/24
> > wire motherboard connector, another button won't be
> > useful in getting it started. Power supplies want to have
> > a load so be sure to do so (such as the four wire
> > connector on a (P)ATA hard drive) before firing it up.
> > http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/22
> > http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml
> >
> >
> > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
> > news:4FD5122B-9418-4785-9179-89D932D59649@microsoft.com...
> > > It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for
it.
> > It
> > > has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off
the
> > > front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I
think
> > it
> > > may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and
> > > replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the
> > metal
> > > brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.
> > > It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I
used
> > it
> > > to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this
one
> > is
> > > not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.
> > > I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's
not
> > it,
> > > then it's shorting out somehow.
> > > Thanks,
attilathehun1
> > >
> > > --
> > > attilathehun1
> > >
> > >
> > > "." wrote:
> > >
> > > > Most common is green to either black or ground,
> > > > but some boards, such as Dell's, may have other
> > > > than standard pin assignments.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > message
> > > > news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...
> > > > > I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is
loose
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on
> > another
> > > > PC
> > > > > and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2
> > points
> > > > on
> > > > > the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher
often
> > > > started
> > > > > his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver?
If
> > > > there
> > > > > is a way to do that please tell me.
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > attilathehun1
> > > > > --
> > > > > attilathehun1
 
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w_tom

On May 8, 7:22 pm, attilathehun1
<attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Ok I see the green wire. It's on the P1 connector to the motherboard. So
> stick a paperclip into the green wire socket and then to the black wire
> socket? Ok, I'll give it a shot. Should I wait for your reply? Am I correct
> or getting warm to the area that I should be using the paperclip? If I am or
> not, please tell me. I'll wait before using the paperclip.

First, even if shorting wrong wires, no damage to power supply or
computer will occur. That is an industry standard requirement.

A computer good power supply can work in one machine and yet be
completely defective in another. And a defective power can boot a
computer. Just a few of many problems with shotgunning. It provides
nothing but a speculative answer.

A meter (less than $20 even in Kmart) could have answered all your
questions quickly or meant the next reply here 1) solved your problem
and 2) taught something useful.

Is a wire loose on the switch? Meter measuring voltage on that
green wire and on purple wire (both before and when power switch is
pressed) means my next response could have answered that.

Overal procedure is "When your computer dies without warning....."
starting 6 Feb 2007 in the newsgroup alt.windows-xp at:
http://tinyurl.com/yvf9vh
Connector chart to locate each color:
http://www.hardwarebook.net/connector/power/atxpower.html

In your case, the important numbers were from purple and green
wires. If those numbers were correct, then numbers from any one of
orange, red, and yellow wires are important. Is it the power supply,
or power supply controller, or loose switch, or ... the list of
suspects is long. Numbers from a less than two minute procedure would
have answered for everything almost immediately.

One accused Dell for using nonstandard connections. A problem from
most computer so cheap as to never intended for upgrade. Standard
computers (not constructed to cut costs) don't have this problem.
Dell got blamed here for the same thing that Gateway and so many
others also did - only because a human did not know the difference
between a standard computer and one designed to never be upgraded.

Standard pinouts are provided to alleviate any confusion.

When all done with the paper clip short, a useful answer still does
not exist – only speculation. Only definitive answer means numbers
from a meter – a tool so complex as to only be sold where people can
also use a hammer. Get numbers from a meter so that the better
informed here can acutally provide a useful reply.
 
?

.

"w_tom" <w_tom1@usa.net> wrote in message
news:085bdaa7-444b-48fe-96dd-ae62c429f2d1@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 8, 7:22 pm, attilathehun1
<attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Ok I see the green wire. It's on the P1 connector to the motherboard. So
> stick a paperclip into the green wire socket and then to the black wire
> socket? Ok, I'll give it a shot. Should I wait for your reply? Am I
correct
> or getting warm to the area that I should be using the paperclip? If I am
or
> not, please tell me. I'll wait before using the paperclip.

First, even if shorting wrong wires, no damage to power supply or
computer will occur. That is an industry standard requirement.

A computer good power supply can work in one machine and yet be
completely defective in another. And a defective power can boot a
computer. Just a few of many problems with shotgunning. It provides
nothing but a speculative answer.

A meter (less than $20 even in Kmart) could have answered all your
questions quickly or meant the next reply here 1) solved your problem
and 2) taught something useful.

Is a wire loose on the switch? Meter measuring voltage on that
green wire and on purple wire (both before and when power switch is
pressed) means my next response could have answered that.

Overal procedure is "When your computer dies without warning....."
starting 6 Feb 2007 in the newsgroup alt.windows-xp at:
http://tinyurl.com/yvf9vh
Connector chart to locate each color:
http://www.hardwarebook.net/connector/power/atxpower.html

In your case, the important numbers were from purple and green
wires. If those numbers were correct, then numbers from any one of
orange, red, and yellow wires are important. Is it the power supply,
or power supply controller, or loose switch, or ... the list of
suspects is long. Numbers from a less than two minute procedure would
have answered for everything almost immediately.

One accused Dell for using nonstandard connections. A problem from
most computer so cheap as to never intended for upgrade. Standard
computers (not constructed to cut costs) don't have this problem.
Dell got blamed here for the same thing that Gateway and so many
others also did - only because a human did not know the difference
between a standard computer and one designed to never be upgraded.

Standard pinouts are provided to alleviate any confusion.

When all done with the paper clip short, a useful answer still does
not exist - only speculation. Only definitive answer means numbers
from a meter - a tool so complex as to only be sold where people can
also use a hammer. Get numbers from a meter so that the better
informed here can acutally provide a useful reply.

------------------------------------------------------------

And there you have a textbook example of superciliousness
(and yes, those not getting my point will rail about either the
hypocrisy or irony they perceive to reside in my next remarks).
Problems of the sort that the OP is having make it probable
that he wouldn't be a good candidate for explaining concepts
such as power factor, root mean square, wave form types,
alternating, fully rectified or pulsed DC current and probably
doesn't possess a quality meter (let alone oscilloscope) nor
would he likely be versed in its usage, so such an approach
is likely to be less than efficacious.

In that he described that the power supply had formerly been
functioning adequately and continued to do so after installing
into another computer (after the first experienced an issue), the
problem is very much less likely to be the PSU. His approach
would not have been mine but I was only attempting to respond
to his specific requests for how to "start your PC by touching
2 points". But in any case, to test voltages, he's going to first
have to somehow "turn on the power supply". If he still desires
additional info on power supplies, I suggest these primers:
http://www.motherboards.org/articles/guides/1487_1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_power_supply
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched-mode_power_supply
 
B

Ben Myers

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...
> I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose on the
> power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on another PC
> and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2 points on
> the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often started
> his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If there
> is a way to do that please tell me.

Please repost with more information, including what happens when the
computer is turned on.

Ben
 
A

attilathehun1

Ok, I did what you said. I stuck a paper clip into the P1 connector while it
was plugged in and it started. I stuck the paper clip into P1's green wire
and connected the other side of the paper clip to the black wire connector on
P1. Presto, it started. One thing though, the parallel strap to the hard
drive wasn't connected to the hard drive. The PC though did start up, but
nothing was on the monitor, of course.
I think either you or I are getting this backwards. There is no way I could
use a screw drive to do what I just did. I'm connecting the wires on the
actual P1 mobo connector on the power supply. I'm not even touching the
motherboard. I'm touching the P1 connector on the power supply. The two
points, one on the green wire, and one on the black wire with the paper clip
that I cut into a U.
Ok, I'm going to buy a power button I think. I'll wait for someone's reply
though.
Please, any help would be greatly appreciated and quicker the better. This
is taking up just too much of my time on this one deal.
I have another PC that was in the original spot that is causing the whole
problem. I just bought a motherboard from newegg.com for about 80 bucks out
the door. Wth shipping and handling, it's probably about 90 bucks altogether.
Thanks, attilathehun1

--
attilathehun1


"philo" wrote:

>
> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4FD5122B-9418-4785-9179-89D932D59649@microsoft.com...
> > It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for it.
> It
> > has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off the
> > front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I think
> it
> > may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and
> > replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the
> metal
> > brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.
> > It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I used
> it
> > to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this one
> is
> > not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.
> > I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's not
> it,
> > then it's shorting out somehow.
> > Thanks, attilathehun1
> >
>
>
>
> Before you buy a new button
> just unplug the connector from the mobo and jump the two terminals together
> with a small screw driver...
> if the machine starts then your button may be bad
> otherwise your problem lies elsewhere
> you may have disturbed something when you added the HD
>
>
>
 
A

attilathehun1

Wait, I've been trying to stick the paper clip into the P1 connector while
it's connected to the motherboard. I think I'm doing something wrong? What
two points on the motherboard should I touch the screwdriver to? Or if that's
not it, please tell me where or what to do.
I've built PCs and fixed many. So, your not dealing with a noobie, so much,
here.
-- Thanks, attilathehun1
attilathehun1


"philo" wrote:

>
> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4FD5122B-9418-4785-9179-89D932D59649@microsoft.com...
> > It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for it.
> It
> > has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off the
> > front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I think
> it
> > may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and
> > replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the
> metal
> > brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.
> > It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I used
> it
> > to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this one
> is
> > not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.
> > I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's not
> it,
> > then it's shorting out somehow.
> > Thanks, attilathehun1
> >
>
>
>
> Before you buy a new button
> just unplug the connector from the mobo and jump the two terminals together
> with a small screw driver...
> if the machine starts then your button may be bad
> otherwise your problem lies elsewhere
> you may have disturbed something when you added the HD
>
>
>
 
A

attilathehun1

I just want to find out if my power button assembly on the front panel works
or doesn't work. I want to fire up my PC without the power button on the
front panel. That's it. If it fires up then the problem is the power button
assembly. If it still doesn't fire up then the problem probably lies
elsewhere.
Thanks, attilathehun1
--
attilathehun1


"Ben Myers" wrote:

> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...
> > I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose on the
> > power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on another PC
> > and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2 points on
> > the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often started
> > his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If there
> > is a way to do that please tell me.
>
> Please repost with more information, including what happens when the
> computer is turned on.
>
> Ben
>
 
P

philo

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A4FA4887-9427-456F-9334-D2DA1BE30768@microsoft.com...
> Wait, I've been trying to stick the paper clip into the P1 connector while
> it's connected to the motherboard. I think I'm doing something wrong? What
> two points on the motherboard should I touch the screwdriver to? Or if
> that's
> not it, please tell me where or what to do.
> I've built PCs and fixed many. So, your not dealing with a noobie, so
> much,
> here.


The push-button "on" switch would have to connect to the motherboard
through a two-pin push-on connector.
Simply unplug the connector and momentarily short the two pins on the
motherboard
together.
If the machine starts up and runs fine,,,
then your switch or it's wiring is bad...
but if the machine does not start...then the problem is not related to the
push-button switch.

I'd test that before just going out and purchasing a new switch.

Check for anything you might have disturbed when you added the HD
 
?

.

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:ety7fmhsIHA.5580@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:A4FA4887-9427-456F-9334-D2DA1BE30768@microsoft.com...
> > Wait, I've been trying to stick the paper clip into the P1 connector
while
> > it's connected to the motherboard. I think I'm doing something wrong?
What
> > two points on the motherboard should I touch the screwdriver to? Or if
> > that's
> > not it, please tell me where or what to do.
> > I've built PCs and fixed many. So, your not dealing with a noobie, so
> > much,
> > here.
>
>
> The push-button "on" switch would have to connect to the motherboard
> through a two-pin push-on connector.
> Simply unplug the connector and momentarily short the two pins on the
> motherboard
> together.
> If the machine starts up and runs fine,,,
> then your switch or it's wiring is bad...
> but if the machine does not start...then the problem is not related to the
> push-button switch.
>
> I'd test that before just going out and purchasing a new switch.
>
> Check for anything you might have disturbed when you added the HD
>

Ever get the impression that you're being put-on? Could
anyone making the claim: "I've built PCs and fixed many.
So, your (sic) not dealing with a noobie, so much, here",
particularly after being spoonfed so much documented
information and assistance, REALLY be THAT inept?
 
W

w_tom

On May 9, 4:16 pm, attilathehun1
<attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> I just want to find out if my power button assembly on the front panel works
> or doesn't work. I want to fire up my PC without the power button on the
> front panel. That's it. If it fires up then the problem is the power button
> assembly. If it still doesn't fire up then the problem probably lies
> elsewhere.

Take meter reading from the green and purple wires before and when
the switch is pressed. Now answers are definitive. If problems are
elsewhere, those numbers also point to where that elsewhere is. Don't
even begin yet to guess how numbers from a 15 second procedure answers
so much. Do the procedure to learn how much is obtained so quickly
and inexpensively - or why the Japanese describe same by saying "Don't
work harder work smarter."

Today a power switch can powerup the machine. Tomorrow it does
not. Is that a defective power switch? Maybe yes and maybe no. If
green wire jumper powers the supply, does that mean the power switch
is bad or intermittent? Maybe yes or maybe no. IOW reports nothing
useful. Did you know about the power supply controller? 15 seconds
means numbers from green and purple wires so that a next reply is
definitive... no maybes.

Jumpering the green wire says nothing useful about the front power
button or power supply. That rather useful green wire test, in your
case, only creates more 'maybes'. Using a meter appears complex. The
task is as complex as touching a paper clip. But the resulting facts
are massive. Green wire jumper means nobody can provide useful posts
- can only post speculation. Numbers from that meter mean the next
post from the most technically informed answer definitively and
immediately.
 
P

philo

"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:uj3Vj.5928$UM3.2765@newsfe15.phx...
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:ety7fmhsIHA.5580@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >
> > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
> > news:A4FA4887-9427-456F-9334-D2DA1BE30768@microsoft.com...
> > > Wait, I've been trying to stick the paper clip into the P1 connector
> while
> > > it's connected to the motherboard. I think I'm doing something wrong?
> What
> > > two points on the motherboard should I touch the screwdriver to? Or if
> > > that's
> > > not it, please tell me where or what to do.
> > > I've built PCs and fixed many. So, your not dealing with a noobie, so
> > > much,
> > > here.
> >
> >
> > The push-button "on" switch would have to connect to the motherboard
> > through a two-pin push-on connector.
> > Simply unplug the connector and momentarily short the two pins on the
> > motherboard
> > together.
> > If the machine starts up and runs fine,,,
> > then your switch or it's wiring is bad...
> > but if the machine does not start...then the problem is not related to
the
> > push-button switch.
> >
> > I'd test that before just going out and purchasing a new switch.
> >
> > Check for anything you might have disturbed when you added the HD
> >
>
> Ever get the impression that you're being put-on? Could
> anyone making the claim: "I've built PCs and fixed many.
> So, your (sic) not dealing with a noobie, so much, here",
> particularly after being spoonfed so much documented
> information and assistance, REALLY be THAT inept?
>
>


You've made a good point...
but in my circuitous way of thinking...
If someone needs asks for help...
they need help
(whether they need help or not)

If you see what I mean>
 
A

attilathehun1

Are you talking about the pin where the green wire goes and black wires go? I
tried that by putting a paper clip, after taking off the P1 connector, into
the spot where the green connector goes, I think the fourth slot over, and
then where the black wire goes, 5 to 7 different spots, but I choose the
fifth slot over right next to the green wire. So, I put a paper clip that I
bent into a U into the 4th and 5th slots and nothing happened. I think now
there is a short, or the motherboard is shot.
--
attilathehun1


"philo" wrote:

>
> "." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:uj3Vj.5928$UM3.2765@newsfe15.phx...
> > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:ety7fmhsIHA.5580@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > >
> > > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
> > > news:A4FA4887-9427-456F-9334-D2DA1BE30768@microsoft.com...
> > > > Wait, I've been trying to stick the paper clip into the P1 connector
> > while
> > > > it's connected to the motherboard. I think I'm doing something wrong?
> > What
> > > > two points on the motherboard should I touch the screwdriver to? Or if
> > > > that's
> > > > not it, please tell me where or what to do.
> > > > I've built PCs and fixed many. So, your not dealing with a noobie, so
> > > > much,
> > > > here.
> > >
> > >
> > > The push-button "on" switch would have to connect to the motherboard
> > > through a two-pin push-on connector.
> > > Simply unplug the connector and momentarily short the two pins on the
> > > motherboard
> > > together.
> > > If the machine starts up and runs fine,,,
> > > then your switch or it's wiring is bad...
> > > but if the machine does not start...then the problem is not related to
> the
> > > push-button switch.
> > >
> > > I'd test that before just going out and purchasing a new switch.
> > >
> > > Check for anything you might have disturbed when you added the HD
> > >
> >
> > Ever get the impression that you're being put-on? Could
> > anyone making the claim: "I've built PCs and fixed many.
> > So, your (sic) not dealing with a noobie, so much, here",
> > particularly after being spoonfed so much documented
> > information and assistance, REALLY be THAT inept?
> >
> >
>
>
> You've made a good point...
> but in my circuitous way of thinking...
> If someone needs asks for help...
> they need help
> (whether they need help or not)
>
> If you see what I mean>
>
>
>
 
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