W2K3 Server and Terminal server licenses

[GotNoIdea]

OK I need to get this straight as I have heard all kinds of explainations
and comments. I'm looking into setting up a W2K3 Standard server that will
also be used as a Citrix server. The amount of clients and user accounts is
undetermined at the moment. I know for example if I'm going to have say 50
users accessing this server that I will need 50 W2K3 user cal's. Now my
question is do I also need terminal server licenses? My coworker seems to
disagree that we need them. He claims that since XP comes with the TS client
(RDC) that it is no longer required.
We also have our own W2K3/Citrix server that is a terminal server. It is not
a DC. When we first set it up to be a TS we did get the deafult prompt that
it will remain operable for 90 days in which you will ne to activate it and
configure the licensing. We I believe when we activated it we sort of got
around that and used "per device" option which allowed us unlimited access.
When I go to the TS License Manager and view our licensing it states:

Product = "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token (per
device)"
Type = Built-in
Total = Unlimited
Available = Unlimited
Issued = 0

I need some experts to shed some light on this. Is this correct and do I
need to purchase TS licenses also. thanks.

 

[GotNoIdea]

I misinterpetted myself. It will be a DC so it will be an authenticating
server hence the need for user CAL's.


"GotNoIdea" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote in message
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> OK I need to get this straight as I have heard all kinds of explainations
> and comments. I'm looking into setting up a W2K3 Standard server that will
> also be used as a Citrix server. The amount of clients and user accounts
> is undetermined at the moment. I know for example if I'm going to have say
> 50 users accessing this server that I will need 50 W2K3 user cal's. Now my
> question is do I also need terminal server licenses? My coworker seems to
> disagree that we need them. He claims that since XP comes with the TS
> client (RDC) that it is no longer required.
> We also have our own W2K3/Citrix server that is a terminal server. It is
> not a DC. When we first set it up to be a TS we did get the deafult prompt
> that it will remain operable for 90 days in which you will ne to activate
> it and configure the licensing. We I believe when we activated it we sort
> of got around that and used "per device" option which allowed us unlimited
> access. When I go to the TS License Manager and view our licensing it
> states:
>
> Product = "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token (per
> device)"
> Type = Built-in
> Total = Unlimited
> Available = Unlimited
> Issued = 0
>
> I need some experts to shed some light on this. Is this correct and do I
> need to purchase TS licenses also. thanks.
>

 

[Anthony]

NoIdea,
You need a Windows Server CAL and a Terminal Services CAL for each user to
access W2K3 Terminal Services.
When you set the server up you get a 90 day grace period, but you need to be
careful as when it expires all connections will stop.
The documentation is complicated, but it is unambiguous.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/ts2003.mspx
"With Windows 2000 Server Terminal Server licensing, if a client device is
running the most recent version of the Windows desktop operating system, a
TS CAL is not required to satisfy the licensing requirement. However, with
Windows Server 2003, a TS CAL is required for each device or user using
Terminal Server functionality, irrespective of which desktop operating
system is running on the device."
Hope that helps,
Anthony -
http://www.airdesk.co.uk




"GotNoIdea" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote in message
news:uAyfNze1HHA.5380@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I misinterpetted myself. It will be a DC so it will be an authenticating
>server hence the need for user CAL's.
>
>
> "GotNoIdea" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23fNS6ve1HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> OK I need to get this straight as I have heard all kinds of explainations
>> and comments. I'm looking into setting up a W2K3 Standard server that
>> will also be used as a Citrix server. The amount of clients and user
>> accounts is undetermined at the moment. I know for example if I'm going
>> to have say 50 users accessing this server that I will need 50 W2K3 user
>> cal's. Now my question is do I also need terminal server licenses? My
>> coworker seems to disagree that we need them. He claims that since XP
>> comes with the TS client (RDC) that it is no longer required.
>> We also have our own W2K3/Citrix server that is a terminal server. It is
>> not a DC. When we first set it up to be a TS we did get the deafult
>> prompt that it will remain operable for 90 days in which you will ne to
>> activate it and configure the licensing. We I believe when we activated
>> it we sort of got around that and used "per device" option which allowed
>> us unlimited access. When I go to the TS License Manager and view our
>> licensing it states:
>>
>> Product = "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token
>> (per device)"
>> Type = Built-in
>> Total = Unlimited
>> Available = Unlimited
>> Issued = 0
>>
>> I need some experts to shed some light on this. Is this correct and do I
>> need to purchase TS licenses also. thanks.
>>
>
>

 

[GotNoIdea Game?]

Hi anthony and thank you for your input. Can you explain to me how my TS
License shows "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token
(per device)" when my TS License server is a W2K3 server?



"Anthony" <anthony.spam@spammedout.com> wrote in message
news:e3qYKDg1HHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> NoIdea,
> You need a Windows Server CAL and a Terminal Services CAL for each user to
> access W2K3 Terminal Services.
> When you set the server up you get a 90 day grace period, but you need to
> be careful as when it expires all connections will stop.
> The documentation is complicated, but it is unambiguous.
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/ts2003.mspx
> "With Windows 2000 Server Terminal Server licensing, if a client device is
> running the most recent version of the Windows desktop operating system, a
> TS CAL is not required to satisfy the licensing requirement. However, with
> Windows Server 2003, a TS CAL is required for each device or user using
> Terminal Server functionality, irrespective of which desktop operating
> system is running on the device."
> Hope that helps,
> Anthony -
> http://www.airdesk.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> "GotNoIdea" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uAyfNze1HHA.5380@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>I misinterpetted myself. It will be a DC so it will be an authenticating
>>server hence the need for user CAL's.
>>
>>
>> "GotNoIdea" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23fNS6ve1HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> OK I need to get this straight as I have heard all kinds of
>>> explainations and comments. I'm looking into setting up a W2K3 Standard
>>> server that will also be used as a Citrix server. The amount of clients
>>> and user accounts is undetermined at the moment. I know for example if
>>> I'm going to have say 50 users accessing this server that I will need 50
>>> W2K3 user cal's. Now my question is do I also need terminal server
>>> licenses? My coworker seems to disagree that we need them. He claims
>>> that since XP comes with the TS client (RDC) that it is no longer
>>> required.
>>> We also have our own W2K3/Citrix server that is a terminal server. It is
>>> not a DC. When we first set it up to be a TS we did get the deafult
>>> prompt that it will remain operable for 90 days in which you will ne to
>>> activate it and configure the licensing. We I believe when we activated
>>> it we sort of got around that and used "per device" option which allowed
>>> us unlimited access. When I go to the TS License Manager and view our
>>> licensing it states:
>>>
>>> Product = "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token
>>> (per device)"
>>> Type = Built-in
>>> Total = Unlimited
>>> Available = Unlimited
>>> Issued = 0
>>>
>>> I need some experts to shed some light on this. Is this correct and do I
>>> need to purchase TS licenses also. thanks.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Anthony]

The TS license server shows licenses for both 2000 TS and 2003 TS,
Anthony
http://www.airdesk.co.uk


"GotNoIdea Game?" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote in message
news:eBN8Ugg1HHA.4500@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi anthony and thank you for your input. Can you explain to me how my TS
> License shows "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token
> (per device)" when my TS License server is a W2K3 server?
>
>
>
> "Anthony" <anthony.spam@spammedout.com> wrote in message
> news:e3qYKDg1HHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> NoIdea,
>> You need a Windows Server CAL and a Terminal Services CAL for each user
>> to access W2K3 Terminal Services.
>> When you set the server up you get a 90 day grace period, but you need to
>> be careful as when it expires all connections will stop.
>> The documentation is complicated, but it is unambiguous.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/ts2003.mspx
>> "With Windows 2000 Server Terminal Server licensing, if a client device
>> is running the most recent version of the Windows desktop operating
>> system, a TS CAL is not required to satisfy the licensing requirement.
>> However, with Windows Server 2003, a TS CAL is required for each device
>> or user using Terminal Server functionality, irrespective of which
>> desktop operating system is running on the device."
>> Hope that helps,
>> Anthony -
>> http://www.airdesk.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "GotNoIdea" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uAyfNze1HHA.5380@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>I misinterpetted myself. It will be a DC so it will be an authenticating
>>>server hence the need for user CAL's.
>>>
>>>
>>> "GotNoIdea" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23fNS6ve1HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> OK I need to get this straight as I have heard all kinds of
>>>> explainations and comments. I'm looking into setting up a W2K3 Standard
>>>> server that will also be used as a Citrix server. The amount of clients
>>>> and user accounts is undetermined at the moment. I know for example if
>>>> I'm going to have say 50 users accessing this server that I will need
>>>> 50 W2K3 user cal's. Now my question is do I also need terminal server
>>>> licenses? My coworker seems to disagree that we need them. He claims
>>>> that since XP comes with the TS client (RDC) that it is no longer
>>>> required.
>>>> We also have our own W2K3/Citrix server that is a terminal server. It
>>>> is not a DC. When we first set it up to be a TS we did get the deafult
>>>> prompt that it will remain operable for 90 days in which you will ne to
>>>> activate it and configure the licensing. We I believe when we activated
>>>> it we sort of got around that and used "per device" option which
>>>> allowed us unlimited access. When I go to the TS License Manager and
>>>> view our licensing it states:
>>>>
>>>> Product = "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token
>>>> (per device)"
>>>> Type = Built-in
>>>> Total = Unlimited
>>>> Available = Unlimited
>>>> Issued = 0
>>>>
>>>> I need some experts to shed some light on this. Is this correct and do
>>>> I need to purchase TS licenses also. thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

[GotNoIdea]

Thanks Anthony. I guess I myself am still legal even though we did not opt
to obtain the complimentary TS licens MS was offering you have licensed XP
machines purchased before the cut off date. Unfortunately we missed the June
30, 2007 date to obtain these. I imagine I am still legal and things will
continue to work like they are still doing.

"Anthony" <anthony.spam@spammedout.com> wrote in message
news:eF1zKvg1HHA.4500@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> The TS license server shows licenses for both 2000 TS and 2003 TS,
> Anthony
> http://www.airdesk.co.uk
>
>
> "GotNoIdea Game?" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eBN8Ugg1HHA.4500@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hi anthony and thank you for your input. Can you explain to me how my TS
>> License shows "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token
>> (per device)" when my TS License server is a W2K3 server?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Anthony" <anthony.spam@spammedout.com> wrote in message
>> news:e3qYKDg1HHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> NoIdea,
>>> You need a Windows Server CAL and a Terminal Services CAL for each user
>>> to access W2K3 Terminal Services.
>>> When you set the server up you get a 90 day grace period, but you need
>>> to be careful as when it expires all connections will stop.
>>> The documentation is complicated, but it is unambiguous.
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/ts2003.mspx
>>> "With Windows 2000 Server Terminal Server licensing, if a client device
>>> is running the most recent version of the Windows desktop operating
>>> system, a TS CAL is not required to satisfy the licensing requirement.
>>> However, with Windows Server 2003, a TS CAL is required for each device
>>> or user using Terminal Server functionality, irrespective of which
>>> desktop operating system is running on the device."
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> Anthony -
>>> http://www.airdesk.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "GotNoIdea" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uAyfNze1HHA.5380@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>I misinterpetted myself. It will be a DC so it will be an authenticating
>>>>server hence the need for user CAL's.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "GotNoIdea" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23fNS6ve1HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> OK I need to get this straight as I have heard all kinds of
>>>>> explainations and comments. I'm looking into setting up a W2K3
>>>>> Standard server that will also be used as a Citrix server. The amount
>>>>> of clients and user accounts is undetermined at the moment. I know for
>>>>> example if I'm going to have say 50 users accessing this server that I
>>>>> will need 50 W2K3 user cal's. Now my question is do I also need
>>>>> terminal server licenses? My coworker seems to disagree that we need
>>>>> them. He claims that since XP comes with the TS client (RDC) that it
>>>>> is no longer required.
>>>>> We also have our own W2K3/Citrix server that is a terminal server. It
>>>>> is not a DC. When we first set it up to be a TS we did get the deafult
>>>>> prompt that it will remain operable for 90 days in which you will ne
>>>>> to activate it and configure the licensing. We I believe when we
>>>>> activated it we sort of got around that and used "per device" option
>>>>> which allowed us unlimited access. When I go to the TS License Manager
>>>>> and view our licensing it states:
>>>>>
>>>>> Product = "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token
>>>>> (per device)"
>>>>> Type = Built-in
>>>>> Total = Unlimited
>>>>> Available = Unlimited
>>>>> Issued = 0
>>>>>
>>>>> I need some experts to shed some light on this. Is this correct and do
>>>>> I need to purchase TS licenses also. thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>