Terminal server and W2K3 Server licenses

[GotNoIdea]

OK I need to get this straight as I have heard all kinds of explainations
and comments. I'm looking into setting up a W2K3 Standard server for a
potential that will
also be used as a Citrix server. The amount of clients and user accounts is
undetermined at the moment. I know for example if I'm going to have say 50
users accessing this server that I will need 50 W2K3 user cal's as this
server will also be a DC. Now my
question is do I also need terminal server licenses? My coworker seems to
disagree that we need them. He claims that since XP comes with the TS client
(RDC) that it is no longer required.
We have our own W2K3/Citrix server that is a terminal server. It is not
a DC but it is part of our domain. When we first set it up to be a TS we did
get the deafult prompt that
it will remain operable for 90 days in which you will need to activate it
and
configure the licensing. Well I believe when we activated it we sort of got
around that and used "per device" option which allowed us unlimited access.
When I go to the TS License Manager and view our licensing it states:

Product = "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token (per
device)"
Type = Built-in
Total = Unlimited
Available = Unlimited
Issued = 0

I need some experts to shed some light on this. Is this correct and do I
need to purchase TS licenses also. thanks.

 

[Rob Leitman [MS]]

Yes, you need a TS CAL for each connection.

See the licensing section at
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/en-us/terminal/terminal_faq.mspx

Rob

"GotNoIdea" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote in message
news:O%23wZFnf1HHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> OK I need to get this straight as I have heard all kinds of explainations
> and comments. I'm looking into setting up a W2K3 Standard server for a
> potential that will
> also be used as a Citrix server. The amount of clients and user accounts
> is
> undetermined at the moment. I know for example if I'm going to have say 50
> users accessing this server that I will need 50 W2K3 user cal's as this
> server will also be a DC. Now my
> question is do I also need terminal server licenses? My coworker seems to
> disagree that we need them. He claims that since XP comes with the TS
> client
> (RDC) that it is no longer required.
> We have our own W2K3/Citrix server that is a terminal server. It is not
> a DC but it is part of our domain. When we first set it up to be a TS we
> did get the deafult prompt that
> it will remain operable for 90 days in which you will need to activate it
> and
> configure the licensing. Well I believe when we activated it we sort of
> got
> around that and used "per device" option which allowed us unlimited
> access.
> When I go to the TS License Manager and view our licensing it states:
>
> Product = "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token (per
> device)"
> Type = Built-in
> Total = Unlimited
> Available = Unlimited
> Issued = 0
>
> I need some experts to shed some light on this. Is this correct and do I
> need to purchase TS licenses also. thanks.
>
>

 

[Vera Noest [MVP]]

Rob Leitman has already answered your first question, let me
explain the situation on your existing TS:

What you did when the licensing warning came up is that you
activated the TS Licensing Server, and changed the TS Licensing
mode of the Terminal Server to use "Per User" licensing. You can
check this in Terminal Services Configuration - Server Settings.
Since Per User licensing is unmanaged on a 2003 TS, you were able
to continue to use the TS without installing any licenses at all on
the TS Licensing Server. This is of course a violation of the EULA.

The only licenses which are present on your 2003 TS Licensing
Server are the "Existing Windows 2000 Server TS CALs".

And here's the reason for your coworker's misunderstanding:
those free licenses are issued to XP Pro and W2K Pro clients *when
they connect to a W2K TS*. These clients do *not* come with a
built-in license, but they get a free one on connecting to a W2K
TS. And since a 2003 TS Licensing Server also can act as a
Licensing Server for W2K Terminal Servers, it contains these free
W2K TS CALs.

But XP Pro and W2K Pro clients do *not* get a free license when
connecting to a 2003 TS.
_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

"GotNoIdea" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote on 03 aug 2007 in
microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> We have our own W2K3/Citrix server that is a terminal server. It
> is not a DC but it is part of our domain. When we first set it
> up to be a TS we did get the deafult prompt that
> it will remain operable for 90 days in which you will need to
> activate it and
> configure the licensing. Well I believe when we activated it we
> sort of got around that and used "per device" option which
> allowed us unlimited access. When I go to the TS License Manager
> and view our licensing it states:
>
> Product = "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL
> Token (per device)"
> Type = Built-in
> Total = Unlimited
> Available = Unlimited
> Issued = 0
>
> I need some experts to shed some light on this. Is this correct
> and do I need to purchase TS licenses also. thanks.

 

[GotNoIdea]

Hi Vera,
thank you very much for your explaination. I did read this article and
according to this MS is aware of the issue and there fore offered
complimentary TS server licenses for those who want to take advantage of
W2Ke TS server and who purchase XP before April 24, 2003.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/ts2003.mspx

Now according to this article the cut off date for those complimentary TS
licens was June 30, 2007 so I just missed it. So am I still in violation of
the EULA even though I have legal copies of XP purchased before April 24,
2003?

"Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.noest@remove-this.hem.utfors.se> wrote in message
news:Xns99821574588veranoesthemutforsse@207.46.248.16...
> Rob Leitman has already answered your first question, let me
> explain the situation on your existing TS:
>
> What you did when the licensing warning came up is that you
> activated the TS Licensing Server, and changed the TS Licensing
> mode of the Terminal Server to use "Per User" licensing. You can
> check this in Terminal Services Configuration - Server Settings.
> Since Per User licensing is unmanaged on a 2003 TS, you were able
> to continue to use the TS without installing any licenses at all on
> the TS Licensing Server. This is of course a violation of the EULA.
>
> The only licenses which are present on your 2003 TS Licensing
> Server are the "Existing Windows 2000 Server TS CALs".
>
> And here's the reason for your coworker's misunderstanding:
> those free licenses are issued to XP Pro and W2K Pro clients *when
> they connect to a W2K TS*. These clients do *not* come with a
> built-in license, but they get a free one on connecting to a W2K
> TS. And since a 2003 TS Licensing Server also can act as a
> Licensing Server for W2K Terminal Servers, it contains these free
> W2K TS CALs.
>
> But XP Pro and W2K Pro clients do *not* get a free license when
> connecting to a 2003 TS.
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> "GotNoIdea" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote on 03 aug 2007 in
> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
>> We have our own W2K3/Citrix server that is a terminal server. It
>> is not a DC but it is part of our domain. When we first set it
>> up to be a TS we did get the deafult prompt that
>> it will remain operable for 90 days in which you will need to
>> activate it and
>> configure the licensing. Well I believe when we activated it we
>> sort of got around that and used "per device" option which
>> allowed us unlimited access. When I go to the TS License Manager
>> and view our licensing it states:
>>
>> Product = "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL
>> Token (per device)"
>> Type = Built-in
>> Total = Unlimited
>> Available = Unlimited
>> Issued = 0
>>
>> I need some experts to shed some light on this. Is this correct
>> and do I need to purchase TS licenses also. thanks.

 

[Vera Noest [MVP]]

Did you try to get the transition licenses from the website anyway?
If you didn't succeed because it's past the June 30 deadline, then
you're out of luck, I would say.
From the website: "After June 30th, 2007, customers forfeit their
right to this process for complimentary TS CALs."

The deadline has already been extended with a year and a half, it
was originally Jan 1, 2006.

_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

"GotNoIdea" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote on 04 aug 2007 in
microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Hi Vera,
> thank you very much for your explaination. I did read this
> article and according to this MS is aware of the issue and there
> fore offered complimentary TS server licenses for those who want
> to take advantage of W2Ke TS server and who purchase XP before
> April 24, 2003.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/ts2
> 003.mspx
>
> Now according to this article the cut off date for those
> complimentary TS licens was June 30, 2007 so I just missed it.
> So am I still in violation of the EULA even though I have legal
> copies of XP purchased before April 24, 2003?
>
> "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.noest@remove-this.hem.utfors.se> wrote
> in message
> news:Xns99821574588veranoesthemutforsse@207.46.248.16...
>> Rob Leitman has already answered your first question, let me
>> explain the situation on your existing TS:
>>
>> What you did when the licensing warning came up is that you
>> activated the TS Licensing Server, and changed the TS Licensing
>> mode of the Terminal Server to use "Per User" licensing. You
>> can check this in Terminal Services Configuration - Server
>> Settings. Since Per User licensing is unmanaged on a 2003 TS,
>> you were able to continue to use the TS without installing any
>> licenses at all on the TS Licensing Server. This is of course a
>> violation of the EULA.
>>
>> The only licenses which are present on your 2003 TS Licensing
>> Server are the "Existing Windows 2000 Server TS CALs".
>>
>> And here's the reason for your coworker's misunderstanding:
>> those free licenses are issued to XP Pro and W2K Pro clients
>> *when they connect to a W2K TS*. These clients do *not* come
>> with a built-in license, but they get a free one on connecting
>> to a W2K TS. And since a 2003 TS Licensing Server also can act
>> as a Licensing Server for W2K Terminal Servers, it contains
>> these free W2K TS CALs.
>>
>> But XP Pro and W2K Pro clients do *not* get a free license when
>> connecting to a 2003 TS.
>> _________________________________________________________
>> Vera Noest
>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>>
>> "GotNoIdea" <GotNoIdea@GotNoEmail.com> wrote on 03 aug 2007 in
>> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>>
>>> We have our own W2K3/Citrix server that is a terminal server.
>>> It is not a DC but it is part of our domain. When we first set
>>> it up to be a TS we did get the deafult prompt that
>>> it will remain operable for 90 days in which you will need to
>>> activate it and
>>> configure the licensing. Well I believe when we activated it
>>> we sort of got around that and used "per device" option which
>>> allowed us unlimited access. When I go to the TS License
>>> Manager and view our licensing it states:
>>>
>>> Product = "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services
>>> CAL Token (per device)"
>>> Type = Built-in
>>> Total = Unlimited
>>> Available = Unlimited
>>> Issued = 0
>>>
>>> I need some experts to shed some light on this. Is this
>>> correct and do I need to purchase TS licenses also. thanks.