Vista???!!

J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

This is similar to what was seen nearly 6 years ago when Windows XP
was released.
My guess is we will see the same when the next OS is released.

For large users there are good reasons to wait.
Most of the reasons are the same reasons given and used when Windows
XP was released.

However for those that say "Microsoft ME II", that is just an opinion
the critics like and my guess is it will fade in time as Windows Vista
continues to prove itself.


--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Jason Williams" <jwilliams@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:etgzXHFwHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> http://www.crn.com/white-box/200900857jsessionid=M14TGXUWSSFG0QSNDLPSKH0CJUNN2JVN
>
>
> I thought my firm was one of the few! Microsoft ME II, here we
> come.
 
D

David A. Spicer

From the same source:
http://www.crn.com/it-channel/18821819
--------------
Everywhere is walking distance if you have the time. --Steven Wright



"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:OIHj7tFwHHA.4332@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> This is similar to what was seen nearly 6 years ago when Windows XP was
> released.
> My guess is we will see the same when the next OS is released.
>
> For large users there are good reasons to wait.
> Most of the reasons are the same reasons given and used when Windows XP
> was released.
>
> However for those that say "Microsoft ME II", that is just an opinion the
> critics like and my guess is it will fade in time as Windows Vista
> continues to prove itself.
>
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Jason Williams" <jwilliams@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:etgzXHFwHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> http://www.crn.com/white-box/200900857jsessionid=M14TGXUWSSFG0QSNDLPSKH0CJUNN2JVN
>>
>>
>> I thought my firm was one of the few! Microsoft ME II, here we come.
>
 
C

Charlie Tame

David A. Spicer wrote:
> From the same source:
> http://www.crn.com/it-channel/18821819
> --------------
> Everywhere is walking distance if you have the time. --Steven Wright
>
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:OIHj7tFwHHA.4332@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> This is similar to what was seen nearly 6 years ago when Windows XP
>> was released.
>> My guess is we will see the same when the next OS is released.
>>
>> For large users there are good reasons to wait.
>> Most of the reasons are the same reasons given and used when Windows
>> XP was released.
>>
>> However for those that say "Microsoft ME II", that is just an opinion
>> the critics like and my guess is it will fade in time as Windows Vista
>> continues to prove itself.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Jason Williams" <jwilliams@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:etgzXHFwHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> http://www.crn.com/white-box/200900857jsessionid=M14TGXUWSSFG0QSNDLPSKH0CJUNN2JVN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought my firm was one of the few! Microsoft ME II, here we come.
>>


This really does not prove the point however. The transition from 98 /
2000 was necessary for most people doing any kind of "Business". 2000
and XP were really not much different, but XP did persuade a lot of
ordinary people to upgrade simply because the "Entertainment" value was
there, over and above what 98 could do. Of course this upgraded a lot of
hardware too - so what you had was a new computer and a new OS that
could do mostly what you wanted.

This time around there's not been a huge improvement in hardware, most
machines that were happy on 2000 / XP don't improve any with Vista and
in fact many will not work or exhibit problems. IF there were some huge
improvement in hardware since XP came out then things might be as they
were during that OS change period, but the reality is that the latest
machine now does NOT run that much faster than a W2000 machine from
2001. If you put Vista on it it actually goes slower. There's nothing
that the stores can demonstrate that is really new, or spectacular, and
people like gamers won't help sell it because it actually screws up
their enjoyment.

When the MS forums are reduced to simply blaming "Driver Manufacturers"
for everything, which is pretty much the only help or advice offered
with no real solutions available it does nothing to help sales.

Many who bought XP bought it with a first computer, or as a replacement
for a real dinosaur. These folks have the internet now and are better
informed, they will read stuff like this before they buy which as first
time XP owners they couldn't have done.

So aside from those who just must have the latest (Who are probably too
busy on their new iPhones to use the computer now anyway) most people
are going to ask what extra they gain from an upgrade and the answer
seems to be a choice of mail clients that don't work as well as the old
one, a couple of games that wouldn't sell anyway, a couple of animated
screen savers and a lot of extra warnings that alert you to what you are
doing, something that most people knew anyway.

I actually Like Vista, but I cannot see why they had to throw in a new
and awkward learning curve simply by rearranging where things are. I
really don't think I'd spend a couple of hundred on the OS when I'm
likely to have to spend another couple of hundred on hardware, numerous
hours trying to hunt down drivers and end up with the same as I have now
+ some fancy graphics. Sorry :)
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"When the MS forums are reduced to simply blaming "Driver
Manufacturers"..."
If that were true it would indicate problems with the forum or
perfection in the OS.
But it is simply not true as a wide variety of other issues are
discussed in these newsgroups.

But the fact is if the hardware is not supported in an operating
system, the hardware manufacturer needs to update drivers as it
determines the customers needs.
And the customers MUST contact the manufacturer if they desire drivers
or they are also in part responsible since they did not inform the
manufacturer of their needs.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
news:ePIfYKLwHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> This really does not prove the point however. The transition from 98
> / 2000 was necessary for most people doing any kind of "Business".
> 2000 and XP were really not much different, but XP did persuade a
> lot of ordinary people to upgrade simply because the "Entertainment"
> value was there, over and above what 98 could do. Of course this
> upgraded a lot of hardware too - so what you had was a new computer
> and a new OS that could do mostly what you wanted.
>
> This time around there's not been a huge improvement in hardware,
> most machines that were happy on 2000 / XP don't improve any with
> Vista and in fact many will not work or exhibit problems. IF there
> were some huge improvement in hardware since XP came out then things
> might be as they were during that OS change period, but the reality
> is that the latest machine now does NOT run that much faster than a
> W2000 machine from 2001. If you put Vista on it it actually goes
> slower. There's nothing that the stores can demonstrate that is
> really new, or spectacular, and people like gamers won't help sell
> it because it actually screws up their enjoyment.
>
> When the MS forums are reduced to simply blaming "Driver
> Manufacturers" for everything, which is pretty much the only help or
> advice offered with no real solutions available it does nothing to
> help sales.
>
> Many who bought XP bought it with a first computer, or as a
> replacement for a real dinosaur. These folks have the internet now
> and are better informed, they will read stuff like this before they
> buy which as first time XP owners they couldn't have done.
>
> So aside from those who just must have the latest (Who are probably
> too busy on their new iPhones to use the computer now anyway) most
> people are going to ask what extra they gain from an upgrade and the
> answer seems to be a choice of mail clients that don't work as well
> as the old one, a couple of games that wouldn't sell anyway, a
> couple of animated screen savers and a lot of extra warnings that
> alert you to what you are doing, something that most people knew
> anyway.
>
> I actually Like Vista, but I cannot see why they had to throw in a
> new and awkward learning curve simply by rearranging where things
> are. I really don't think I'd spend a couple of hundred on the OS
> when I'm likely to have to spend another couple of hundred on
> hardware, numerous hours trying to hunt down drivers and end up with
> the same as I have now + some fancy graphics. Sorry :)
 
J

Jeff

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:uAOLm1IwHHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Jason Williams wrote:
>> http://www.crn.com/white-box/200900857jsessionid=M14TGXUWSSFG0QSNDLPSKH0CJUNN2JVN
>>
>>
>> I thought my firm was one of the few! Microsoft ME II, here we come.
>
> Win ME was better: no WPA, WGA or DRM.
>
> Alias

I would rather have that and stick with Vista than switch to Windows ME...

Just out of curiosity, how many other people would rather have Vista than
Windows ME?


Jeff
 
A

Alias

Jeff wrote:
>
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:uAOLm1IwHHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Jason Williams wrote:
>>> http://www.crn.com/white-box/200900857jsessionid=M14TGXUWSSFG0QSNDLPSKH0CJUNN2JVN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought my firm was one of the few! Microsoft ME II, here we come.
>>
>> Win ME was better: no WPA, WGA or DRM.
>>
>> Alias
>
> I would rather have that and stick with Vista than switch to Windows ME...
>
> Just out of curiosity, how many other people would rather have Vista
> than Windows ME?
>
>
> Jeff

Fortunately, neither are necessary to have. I ran Win Me back in the
day, however, and had no problem with it as long as I defragged and kept
it clean of temp and errant registry files.

Alias
 
T

Telstar

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:OIHj7tFwHHA.4332@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> This is similar to what was seen nearly 6 years ago when Windows XP was
> released.

Nearly identical!

> My guess is we will see the same when the next OS is released.

Absolutely. And it happened with the jump the Apple OS went through when it
was totally revised.

>
> For large users there are good reasons to wait.
> Most of the reasons are the same reasons given and used when Windows XP
> was released.
>
> However for those that say "Microsoft ME II", that is just an opinion the
> critics like and my guess is it will fade in time as Windows Vista
> continues to prove itself.
>
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Jason Williams" <jwilliams@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:etgzXHFwHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> http://www.crn.com/white-box/200900857jsessionid=M14TGXUWSSFG0QSNDLPSKH0CJUNN2JVN
>>
>>
>> I thought my firm was one of the few! Microsoft ME II, here we come.
>
 
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