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Gary S. Terhune
Mysteries solved! Onwards and.... wherever...
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Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com
"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ORpeezwvIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> I'm mostly curious as to why you'd be making system changes manually in
>> this
>> way using XP. And no, I'm not really surprised, because that's your
>> hobby,
>> really. I'd just like to suggest that any such philosophy developed based
>> upon Win9x and it's apps and the way they all work may get you into deep
>> water in XP.
>
> I'm used to swimming in deep water. That's ok. I get closer to the
> operating system that way, and its educational and challenging (and even
> occasionally useful
.
>
>> I keep my personal stuff away from the system as much as
>> possible, and then use normal sense when it comes to apps and utilities,
>> and
>> otherwise let it take care of itself. Seems to work virtually all the
>> time
>> with little problem for most people unless (or usually when) they get
>> stupid
>> about what they download and install, and you're not the type to do that.
>> Just remember, the more automated and self-healing a system is, the more
>> likely you are to screw it up if you try to tweak it. Can start nasty
>> loops, etc.
>
> Yes, and I *do* appreciate the robustness of Win XP - I've already said
> that. And part of what I've HAD to do is give up a bit of control - in
> making the migration.
>
> As I said, in Win98SE, you pretty much could be in good control of the
> operating system, and tweak it just as you like. PLUS 98SE runs with
> VERY little overhead.
> and a pretty simple files and folders structure on the hard drive (in
> comparison to XP).
>
> With WinXP, more of that stuff is done (and often automatically) behind
> the scenes, and that's (sometimes) a double-edged sword.
>
>> I also know that in WinXP Pro, I don't believe I've ever seen Open or
>> Open
>> All Users, or Explore, etc., anywhere but after RIGHT-clicking the Start
>> button.
>
> Yes, I corrected that careless omission in my post to Brian. Sorry about
> that.
>
>> Not on the main Start Menu itself, where I have Run, Settings, Help
>> & Support, etc. Not using Classic menu settings. Hey, maybe its one of
>> those
>> settings I only ever find by accident. I'm not disbelieving you, I just
>> think that's something to look into. Is it normal for XP Home Edition, or
>> even Pro? Is it indicative of a foul-up?
>
> It's indicative of a slip up on my part for forgetting to mention Right
> Click!
> Well, duh to me. Sorry.
>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>>
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:u$imeVvvIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> You would be surprised at just how much file (and shortcut) "editing" I
>>> do
>>> (including adding, removing, or changing some shortcuts, for all the
>>> system changes I make).
>>>
>>> I don't know why you're confused by what I'm saying. Maybe because
>>> you're NOT using Windows XP Home Edition (although that doesn't sound
>>> like
>>> it). I don't know.
>>>
>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>> Yeah, but what Bill describes makes no sense. Not in the Start menu
>>>> itself.
>>>> Not in any settings I can recall. Unless, as my brain nags me, it's
>>>> another
>>>> Home thing. But then much of what Bill is doing is so not what I would
>>>> do.
>>>> Why change a shortcut by opening the folder when you can simply find
>>>> the
>>>> shortcut in the menu, right-click it and edit the Properties? And how
>>>> often
>>>> do you edit a shortcut, anyway?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>> www.grystmill.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
>>>> news:uykx87uvIHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Ahhh yes, that shows it, something I've never bothered with and still
>>>>> won't. Any shortcuts added by an install that default to MyUserName
>>>>> folder
>>>>> or All Users
>>>>>> Start Menu are easy enough to copy over to either user so it is
>>>>>> accessible for
>>>>> use.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>>>>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
>>>>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>> news:u0CaGvuvIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> R-Click Start button.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:e7rIeHuvIHA.3500@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I want to change a program shortcut, it's a crapshoot as to
>>>>>>>> whether to use OPEN, or OPEN ALL USERS, in the Start up Menu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lost me on that one, I've never seen Open All Users in the startup
>>>>>>> menu.
>
>
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com
"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ORpeezwvIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> I'm mostly curious as to why you'd be making system changes manually in
>> this
>> way using XP. And no, I'm not really surprised, because that's your
>> hobby,
>> really. I'd just like to suggest that any such philosophy developed based
>> upon Win9x and it's apps and the way they all work may get you into deep
>> water in XP.
>
> I'm used to swimming in deep water. That's ok. I get closer to the
> operating system that way, and its educational and challenging (and even
> occasionally useful
.>
>> I keep my personal stuff away from the system as much as
>> possible, and then use normal sense when it comes to apps and utilities,
>> and
>> otherwise let it take care of itself. Seems to work virtually all the
>> time
>> with little problem for most people unless (or usually when) they get
>> stupid
>> about what they download and install, and you're not the type to do that.
>> Just remember, the more automated and self-healing a system is, the more
>> likely you are to screw it up if you try to tweak it. Can start nasty
>> loops, etc.
>
> Yes, and I *do* appreciate the robustness of Win XP - I've already said
> that. And part of what I've HAD to do is give up a bit of control - in
> making the migration.
>
> As I said, in Win98SE, you pretty much could be in good control of the
> operating system, and tweak it just as you like. PLUS 98SE runs with
> VERY little overhead.
> and a pretty simple files and folders structure on the hard drive (in
> comparison to XP).
>
> With WinXP, more of that stuff is done (and often automatically) behind
> the scenes, and that's (sometimes) a double-edged sword.
>
>> I also know that in WinXP Pro, I don't believe I've ever seen Open or
>> Open
>> All Users, or Explore, etc., anywhere but after RIGHT-clicking the Start
>> button.
>
> Yes, I corrected that careless omission in my post to Brian. Sorry about
> that.
>
>> Not on the main Start Menu itself, where I have Run, Settings, Help
>> & Support, etc. Not using Classic menu settings. Hey, maybe its one of
>> those
>> settings I only ever find by accident. I'm not disbelieving you, I just
>> think that's something to look into. Is it normal for XP Home Edition, or
>> even Pro? Is it indicative of a foul-up?
>
> It's indicative of a slip up on my part for forgetting to mention Right
> Click!
> Well, duh to me.
Sorry.>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>>
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:u$imeVvvIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> You would be surprised at just how much file (and shortcut) "editing" I
>>> do
>>> (including adding, removing, or changing some shortcuts, for all the
>>> system changes I make).
>>>
>>> I don't know why you're confused by what I'm saying. Maybe because
>>> you're NOT using Windows XP Home Edition (although that doesn't sound
>>> like
>>> it). I don't know.
>>>
>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>> Yeah, but what Bill describes makes no sense. Not in the Start menu
>>>> itself.
>>>> Not in any settings I can recall. Unless, as my brain nags me, it's
>>>> another
>>>> Home thing. But then much of what Bill is doing is so not what I would
>>>> do.
>>>> Why change a shortcut by opening the folder when you can simply find
>>>> the
>>>> shortcut in the menu, right-click it and edit the Properties? And how
>>>> often
>>>> do you edit a shortcut, anyway?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>> www.grystmill.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
>>>> news:uykx87uvIHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Ahhh yes, that shows it, something I've never bothered with and still
>>>>> won't. Any shortcuts added by an install that default to MyUserName
>>>>> folder
>>>>> or All Users
>>>>>> Start Menu are easy enough to copy over to either user so it is
>>>>>> accessible for
>>>>> use.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>>>>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
>>>>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>> news:u0CaGvuvIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> R-Click Start button.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:e7rIeHuvIHA.3500@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I want to change a program shortcut, it's a crapshoot as to
>>>>>>>> whether to use OPEN, or OPEN ALL USERS, in the Start up Menu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lost me on that one, I've never seen Open All Users in the startup
>>>>>>> menu.
>
>