F
FACE
Is anyone running a win 98 se virtual machine under XP using ms virtual PC
2007?
FACE
2007?
FACE
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Gary S. Terhune
Not at the moment. Do you have a problem?
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Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com
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> Is anyone running a win 98 se virtual machine under XP using ms virtual PC
> 2007?
>
> FACE
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com
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> Is anyone running a win 98 se virtual machine under XP using ms virtual PC
> 2007?
>
> FACE
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Ron Badour
Yes
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Regards
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
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> Is anyone running a win 98 se virtual machine under XP using ms virtual PC
> 2007?
>
> FACE
--
Regards
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
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> Is anyone running a win 98 se virtual machine under XP using ms virtual PC
> 2007?
>
> FACE
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FACE
From "Gary S. Terhune" <none>, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on
Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:06:58 -0700 :
>Not at the moment. Do you have a problem?
I have a question. Actual several questions.
To set up the scenario:
I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.
On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant
here) and one is Win98 SE.
The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)
It is known to both as "drive Z".
As I described this elsewhere..........
On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the
virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS) and it
was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a single
subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through
which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to
install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not as
big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it gets
to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as
FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage
on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be
reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --
it's just a file to XP.
Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual
disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that be?
FACE
Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:06:58 -0700 :
>Not at the moment. Do you have a problem?
I have a question. Actual several questions.
To set up the scenario:
I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.
On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant
here) and one is Win98 SE.
The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)
It is known to both as "drive Z".
As I described this elsewhere..........
On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the
virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS) and it
was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a single
subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through
which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to
install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not as
big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it gets
to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as
FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage
on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be
reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --
it's just a file to XP.
Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual
disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that be?
FACE
- Thread starter
- #5
F
FACE
From "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com>, in
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:33:35 -0500 :
>Yes
Thanks.
I have a question. Actually several questions.
To set up the scenario:
I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.
On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant
here) and one is Win98 SE.
The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)
It is known to both as "drive Z".
As I described this elsewhere..........
On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the
virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS) and it
was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a single
subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through
which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to
install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not as
big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it gets
to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as
FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage
on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be
reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --
it's just a file to XP.
Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual
disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that be?
FACE
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:33:35 -0500 :
>Yes
Thanks.
I have a question. Actually several questions.
To set up the scenario:
I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.
On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant
here) and one is Win98 SE.
The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)
It is known to both as "drive Z".
As I described this elsewhere..........
On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the
virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS) and it
was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a single
subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through
which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to
install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not as
big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it gets
to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as
FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage
on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be
reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --
it's just a file to XP.
Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual
disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that be?
FACE
- Thread starter
- #6
F
FACE
From FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net>, in
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:50:34 -0400 :
>From "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com>, in
>microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:33:35 -0500 :
>
>>Yes
>
>Thanks.
>
>I have a question. Actually several questions.
>
>To set up the scenario:
>
>I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.
>On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant
>here) and one is Win98 SE.
> The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)
> It is known to both as "drive Z".
>
>
>As I described this elsewhere..........
>
>On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the
virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS)
It has changed it mind. I have the image captured last night of it saying
"FAT32" for Drive Z, just now it says what is shown below.
>and it
>was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a single
>subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through
>which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to
>install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not as
>big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it gets
>to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as
>FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage
>on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be
>reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --
>it's just a file to XP.
>
>Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual
>disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that be?
>
Copied from display window of MSINFO32 "System Information" in Win 98 VM.
Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A
Clean install using Full OEM CD /T:C:\WININST0.400 /SrcDir=D:\WIN98 /IE /NF
/IZ /IS /IQ /IT /II /NR /II /C /U:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
IE 5 5.00.2614.3500
Uptime: 0:00:02:10
Normal mode
On "<name>WIN98VM" as "<my name>"
AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+
64MB RAM
94% system resources free
Windows-managed swap file on drive C (1733MB free)
Available space on drive C: 1733MB of 1994MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive Z: 205090MB of 238472MB (
â÷¿g
)
(I have no idea how those high ascii characters for drive Z formatting
display will travel over usenet.)
However, that still does not explain the dynamic .vhd being described as
FAT32 at 1994mb when its current size is 291mb.
FACE
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:50:34 -0400 :
>From "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com>, in
>microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:33:35 -0500 :
>
>>Yes
>
>Thanks.
>
>I have a question. Actually several questions.
>
>To set up the scenario:
>
>I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.
>On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant
>here) and one is Win98 SE.
> The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)
> It is known to both as "drive Z".
>
>
>As I described this elsewhere..........
>
>On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the
virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS)
It has changed it mind. I have the image captured last night of it saying
"FAT32" for Drive Z, just now it says what is shown below.
>and it
>was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a single
>subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through
>which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to
>install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not as
>big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it gets
>to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as
>FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage
>on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be
>reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --
>it's just a file to XP.
>
>Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual
>disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that be?
>
Copied from display window of MSINFO32 "System Information" in Win 98 VM.
Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A
Clean install using Full OEM CD /T:C:\WININST0.400 /SrcDir=D:\WIN98 /IE /NF
/IZ /IS /IQ /IT /II /NR /II /C /U:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
IE 5 5.00.2614.3500
Uptime: 0:00:02:10
Normal mode
On "<name>WIN98VM" as "<my name>"
AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+
64MB RAM
94% system resources free
Windows-managed swap file on drive C (1733MB free)
Available space on drive C: 1733MB of 1994MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive Z: 205090MB of 238472MB (
â÷¿g
)
(I have no idea how those high ascii characters for drive Z formatting
display will travel over usenet.)
However, that still does not explain the dynamic .vhd being described as
FAT32 at 1994mb when its current size is 291mb.
FACE
- Thread starter
- #7
G
Gary S. Terhune
"As described elsewhere"... Where? You mean in this same thread, or really
elsewhere?
Don't know that you'll get your answer here. Have you tried the NG
/microsoft.public.virtualpc
But to me it's simple -- you're dealing with "virtualness" here, and your
tools in Win98 aren't likely to read everything the way it really is, only
the way it is shown to be by VPC.
FWIW, it's a simple job to resize partitions, especially to expand them.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com
"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net> wrote in message
news:057t44dud97issjhckum0hv65c1e42mgel@4ax.com...
> From "Gary S. Terhune" <none>, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
> on
> Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:06:58 -0700 :
>
>>Not at the moment. Do you have a problem?
>
> I have a question. Actual several questions.
>
> To set up the scenario:
>
> I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.
> On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant
> here) and one is Win98 SE.
> The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)
> It is known to both as "drive Z".
>
>
> As I described this elsewhere..........
>
> On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the
> virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS) and
> it
> was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a
> single
> subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through
> which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to
> install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not
> as
> big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it
> gets
> to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as
> FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage
> on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be
> reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --
> it's just a file to XP.
>
> Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual
> disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that
> be?
>
> FACE
elsewhere?
Don't know that you'll get your answer here. Have you tried the NG
/microsoft.public.virtualpc
But to me it's simple -- you're dealing with "virtualness" here, and your
tools in Win98 aren't likely to read everything the way it really is, only
the way it is shown to be by VPC.
FWIW, it's a simple job to resize partitions, especially to expand them.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com
"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net> wrote in message
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> From "Gary S. Terhune" <none>, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
> on
> Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:06:58 -0700 :
>
>>Not at the moment. Do you have a problem?
>
> I have a question. Actual several questions.
>
> To set up the scenario:
>
> I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.
> On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant
> here) and one is Win98 SE.
> The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)
> It is known to both as "drive Z".
>
>
> As I described this elsewhere..........
>
> On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the
> virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS) and
> it
> was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a
> single
> subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through
> which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to
> install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not
> as
> big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it
> gets
> to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as
> FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage
> on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be
> reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --
> it's just a file to XP.
>
> Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual
> disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that
> be?
>
> FACE
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R
Ron Badour
I'm with Gary on this. You are dealing with virtual rather than real so who
knows--maybe the folks hanging around in the virtualpc newsgroup? The
virtual drive has to be fat 32 since W98SE does not recognize NTFS. It
cannot remain the same size as it has to have the ability to expand (swap
file, program additions, etc.) so maybe that accounts for the disparity in
sizes. I'm afraid your virtual questions are too technical for me.
--
Regards
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net> wrote in message
news:3i9t44lcan0cneb781j7vt59dilr2b27ov@4ax.com...
> From FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net>, in
> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:50:34 -0400 :
>
>>From "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com>, in
>>microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:33:35 -0500 :
>>
>>>Yes
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>I have a question. Actually several questions.
>>
>>To set up the scenario:
>>
>>I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.
>>On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant
>>here) and one is Win98 SE.
>> The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)
>> It is known to both as "drive Z".
>>
>>
>>As I described this elsewhere..........
>>
>>On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the
> virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS)
>
> It has changed it mind. I have the image captured last night of it saying
> "FAT32" for Drive Z, just now it says what is shown below.
>
>>and it
>>was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a
>>single
>>subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through
>>which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to
>>install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not
>>as
>>big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it
>>gets
>>to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as
>>FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage
>>on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be
>>reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --
>>it's just a file to XP.
>>
>>Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual
>>disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that
>>be?
>>
>
> Copied from display window of MSINFO32 "System Information" in Win 98 VM.
>
> Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A
> Clean install using Full OEM CD /T:C:\WININST0.400 /SrcDir=D:\WIN98 /IE
> /NF
> /IZ /IS /IQ /IT /II /NR /II /C /U:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> IE 5 5.00.2614.3500
> Uptime: 0:00:02:10
> Normal mode
> On "<name>WIN98VM" as "<my name>"
>
> AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+
> 64MB RAM
> 94% system resources free
> Windows-managed swap file on drive C (1733MB free)
> Available space on drive C: 1733MB of 1994MB (FAT32)
> Available space on drive Z: 205090MB of 238472MB (
> â÷¿g
> )
>
> (I have no idea how those high ascii characters for drive Z formatting
> display will travel over usenet.)
>
> However, that still does not explain the dynamic .vhd being described as
> FAT32 at 1994mb when its current size is 291mb.
>
> FACE
knows--maybe the folks hanging around in the virtualpc newsgroup? The
virtual drive has to be fat 32 since W98SE does not recognize NTFS. It
cannot remain the same size as it has to have the ability to expand (swap
file, program additions, etc.) so maybe that accounts for the disparity in
sizes. I'm afraid your virtual questions are too technical for me.
--
Regards
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net> wrote in message
news:3i9t44lcan0cneb781j7vt59dilr2b27ov@4ax.com...
> From FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net>, in
> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:50:34 -0400 :
>
>>From "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com>, in
>>microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:33:35 -0500 :
>>
>>>Yes
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>I have a question. Actually several questions.
>>
>>To set up the scenario:
>>
>>I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.
>>On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant
>>here) and one is Win98 SE.
>> The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)
>> It is known to both as "drive Z".
>>
>>
>>As I described this elsewhere..........
>>
>>On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the
> virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS)
>
> It has changed it mind. I have the image captured last night of it saying
> "FAT32" for Drive Z, just now it says what is shown below.
>
>>and it
>>was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a
>>single
>>subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through
>>which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to
>>install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not
>>as
>>big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it
>>gets
>>to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as
>>FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage
>>on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be
>>reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --
>>it's just a file to XP.
>>
>>Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual
>>disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that
>>be?
>>
>
> Copied from display window of MSINFO32 "System Information" in Win 98 VM.
>
> Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A
> Clean install using Full OEM CD /T:C:\WININST0.400 /SrcDir=D:\WIN98 /IE
> /NF
> /IZ /IS /IQ /IT /II /NR /II /C /U:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> IE 5 5.00.2614.3500
> Uptime: 0:00:02:10
> Normal mode
> On "<name>WIN98VM" as "<my name>"
>
> AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+
> 64MB RAM
> 94% system resources free
> Windows-managed swap file on drive C (1733MB free)
> Available space on drive C: 1733MB of 1994MB (FAT32)
> Available space on drive Z: 205090MB of 238472MB (
> â÷¿g
> )
>
> (I have no idea how those high ascii characters for drive Z formatting
> display will travel over usenet.)
>
> However, that still does not explain the dynamic .vhd being described as
> FAT32 at 1994mb when its current size is 291mb.
>
> FACE
- Thread starter
- #9
F
FACE
From "Gary S. Terhune" <none>, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on
Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:21:55 -0700 :
>"As described elsewhere"... Where? You mean in this same thread, or really
>elsewhere?
I meant *really* elsewhere............
(Which is why it is written more informally.)
>
>Don't know that you'll get your answer here. Have you tried the NG
>/microsoft.public.virtualpc
I looked for "virtual" in my groups list and did not find it.
I have asked the newsgroups wrangler to add it. I see that it is on
Motzarella and i have subscribed there.
>
>But to me it's simple -- you're dealing with "virtualness" here, and your
>tools in Win98 aren't likely to read everything the way it really is, only
>the way it is shown to be by VPC.
>
I agree that acceptance is simple.
>FWIW, it's a simple job to resize partitions, especially to expand them.
I figured that might be happening............
Thanks,
FACE
Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:21:55 -0700 :
>"As described elsewhere"... Where? You mean in this same thread, or really
>elsewhere?
I meant *really* elsewhere............
(Which is why it is written more informally.)
>
>Don't know that you'll get your answer here. Have you tried the NG
>/microsoft.public.virtualpc
I looked for "virtual" in my groups list and did not find it.
I have asked the newsgroups wrangler to add it. I see that it is on
Motzarella and i have subscribed there.
>
>But to me it's simple -- you're dealing with "virtualness" here, and your
>tools in Win98 aren't likely to read everything the way it really is, only
>the way it is shown to be by VPC.
>
I agree that acceptance is simple.
>FWIW, it's a simple job to resize partitions, especially to expand them.
I figured that might be happening............
Thanks,
FACE
- Thread starter
- #10
F
FACE
From "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com>, in
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:38:55 -0500 :
>I'm with Gary on this. You are dealing with virtual rather than real so who
>knows--maybe the folks hanging around in the virtualpc newsgroup? The
>virtual drive has to be fat 32 since W98SE does not recognize NTFS. It
>cannot remain the same size as it has to have the ability to expand (swap
>file, program additions, etc.) so maybe that accounts for the disparity in
>sizes. I'm afraid your virtual questions are too technical for me.
Thanks Ron.
FACE
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:38:55 -0500 :
>I'm with Gary on this. You are dealing with virtual rather than real so who
>knows--maybe the folks hanging around in the virtualpc newsgroup? The
>virtual drive has to be fat 32 since W98SE does not recognize NTFS. It
>cannot remain the same size as it has to have the ability to expand (swap
>file, program additions, etc.) so maybe that accounts for the disparity in
>sizes. I'm afraid your virtual questions are too technical for me.
Thanks Ron.
FACE
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Gary S. Terhune
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"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net> wrote in message
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> From "Gary S. Terhune" <none>, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
> on
> Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:21:55 -0700 :
>
>>"As described elsewhere"... Where? You mean in this same thread, or really
>>elsewhere?
>
> I meant *really* elsewhere............
>
> (Which is why it is written more informally.)
>
>>
>>Don't know that you'll get your answer here. Have you tried the NG
>>/microsoft.public.virtualpc
>
> I looked for "virtual" in my groups list and did not find it.
>
> I have asked the newsgroups wrangler to add it. I see that it is on
> Motzarella and i have subscribed there.
>
>>
>>But to me it's simple -- you're dealing with "virtualness" here, and your
>>tools in Win98 aren't likely to read everything the way it really is, only
>>the way it is shown to be by VPC.
>>
>
> I agree that acceptance is simple.
>
>>FWIW, it's a simple job to resize partitions, especially to expand them.
>
> I figured that might be happening............
>
> Thanks,
>
> FACE
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"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net> wrote in message
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> From "Gary S. Terhune" <none>, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
> on
> Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:21:55 -0700 :
>
>>"As described elsewhere"... Where? You mean in this same thread, or really
>>elsewhere?
>
> I meant *really* elsewhere............
>
> (Which is why it is written more informally.)
>
>>
>>Don't know that you'll get your answer here. Have you tried the NG
>>/microsoft.public.virtualpc
>
> I looked for "virtual" in my groups list and did not find it.
>
> I have asked the newsgroups wrangler to add it. I see that it is on
> Motzarella and i have subscribed there.
>
>>
>>But to me it's simple -- you're dealing with "virtualness" here, and your
>>tools in Win98 aren't likely to read everything the way it really is, only
>>the way it is shown to be by VPC.
>>
>
> I agree that acceptance is simple.
>
>>FWIW, it's a simple job to resize partitions, especially to expand them.
>
> I figured that might be happening............
>
> Thanks,
>
> FACE
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Ingeborg
FACE wrote:
> However, that still does not explain the dynamic .vhd being described as
> FAT32 at 1994mb when its current size is 291mb.
>
I don't know Virtual PC, but on Qemu sparse disks are used. The virtual
machine exposes a disk to the guest OS, which is actually a bunch of
sectors. To keep the containing file as small as possible, only the sectors
which are actually written since creation of the file are stored. When the
guest OS asks for a sector which is not stored in the file, the VM just
gives it an empty sector.
AFAIK W9x actually writes every sector while formatting, so I suppose
Virtual PC recognizes this pattern and doesn't store it.
> However, that still does not explain the dynamic .vhd being described as
> FAT32 at 1994mb when its current size is 291mb.
>
I don't know Virtual PC, but on Qemu sparse disks are used. The virtual
machine exposes a disk to the guest OS, which is actually a bunch of
sectors. To keep the containing file as small as possible, only the sectors
which are actually written since creation of the file are stored. When the
guest OS asks for a sector which is not stored in the file, the VM just
gives it an empty sector.
AFAIK W9x actually writes every sector while formatting, so I suppose
Virtual PC recognizes this pattern and doesn't store it.
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Bill Blanton
"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net> wrote in message news:3i9t44lcan0cneb781j7vt59dilr2b27ov@4ax.com...
> Copied from display window of MSINFO32 "System Information" in Win 98 VM.
>
> Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A
> Clean install using Full OEM CD /T:C:\WININST0.400 /SrcDir=D:\WIN98 /IE /NF
> /IZ /IS /IQ /IT /II /NR /II /C /U:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> IE 5 5.00.2614.3500
> Uptime: 0:00:02:10
> Normal mode
> On "<name>WIN98VM" as "<my name>"
>
> AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+
> 64MB RAM
> 94% system resources free
> Windows-managed swap file on drive C (1733MB free)
> Available space on drive C: 1733MB of 1994MB (FAT32)
> Available space on drive Z: 205090MB of 238472MB (
> â÷¿g
> )
>
> (I have no idea how those high ascii characters for drive Z formatting
> display will travel over usenet.)
"Shared folders" should be seen as Mapped network drives to the virtual machine.
Whatever the format, it doesn't matter when accessed over the network..
> Copied from display window of MSINFO32 "System Information" in Win 98 VM.
>
> Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A
> Clean install using Full OEM CD /T:C:\WININST0.400 /SrcDir=D:\WIN98 /IE /NF
> /IZ /IS /IQ /IT /II /NR /II /C /U:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> IE 5 5.00.2614.3500
> Uptime: 0:00:02:10
> Normal mode
> On "<name>WIN98VM" as "<my name>"
>
> AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+
> 64MB RAM
> 94% system resources free
> Windows-managed swap file on drive C (1733MB free)
> Available space on drive C: 1733MB of 1994MB (FAT32)
> Available space on drive Z: 205090MB of 238472MB (
> â÷¿g
> )
>
> (I have no idea how those high ascii characters for drive Z formatting
> display will travel over usenet.)
"Shared folders" should be seen as Mapped network drives to the virtual machine.
Whatever the format, it doesn't matter when accessed over the network..
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Bill Blanton
"Ingeborg" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message news:Xns9ABA707D2CB55abinvalid@217.21.244.90...
> FACE wrote:
>
>> However, that still does not explain the dynamic .vhd being described as
>> FAT32 at 1994mb when its current size is 291mb.
1994MB. That's the size you specified when you set up the disk using
the virtual disk wizard.
>>
>
> I don't know Virtual PC, but on Qemu sparse disks are used. The virtual
> machine exposes a disk to the guest OS, which is actually a bunch of
> sectors. To keep the containing file as small as possible, only the sectors
> which are actually written since creation of the file are stored. When the
> guest OS asks for a sector which is not stored in the file, the VM just
> gives it an empty sector.
VPC does the same with "dynamic" disks. If a sector contains all 00 bytes
it won't be written out "long hand" to the virtual hard disk file. And so, won't
take up space within the *.vhd file. There's also the option of creating a
virtual "fixed" disk which would record all sectors including 00 sectors.
> AFAIK W9x actually writes every sector while formatting, so I suppose
> Virtual PC recognizes this pattern and doesn't store it.
I don't think format touches the data area. However, if you use fdisk to partition
the virtual disk, it will write F6 sectors every N sectors as it checks the disk
"integrity". That would eat up a little unecessary space..
> FACE wrote:
>
>> However, that still does not explain the dynamic .vhd being described as
>> FAT32 at 1994mb when its current size is 291mb.
1994MB. That's the size you specified when you set up the disk using
the virtual disk wizard.
>>
>
> I don't know Virtual PC, but on Qemu sparse disks are used. The virtual
> machine exposes a disk to the guest OS, which is actually a bunch of
> sectors. To keep the containing file as small as possible, only the sectors
> which are actually written since creation of the file are stored. When the
> guest OS asks for a sector which is not stored in the file, the VM just
> gives it an empty sector.
VPC does the same with "dynamic" disks. If a sector contains all 00 bytes
it won't be written out "long hand" to the virtual hard disk file. And so, won't
take up space within the *.vhd file. There's also the option of creating a
virtual "fixed" disk which would record all sectors including 00 sectors.
> AFAIK W9x actually writes every sector while formatting, so I suppose
> Virtual PC recognizes this pattern and doesn't store it.
I don't think format touches the data area. However, if you use fdisk to partition
the virtual disk, it will write F6 sectors every N sectors as it checks the disk
"integrity". That would eat up a little unecessary space..