strange!?

[Jim]

Today I deleted a collection of old flagged "corrupted files" folder after
checking these files at all those lovely websites like VirusTotal etc..
Since this was on the desktop before deletion, a hole in the icon set was
present and I rearranged them by type. Suddenly, a folder pops up in the
place of the old "corrupted file" folder called [Application Data]. This is
the one you find in Windows and also in Profiles of User under Windows with
multiple users. Why would a copy of this folder show up on the desktop?

None of these files that were deleted would have an impact on this except
possibly awswax.ocx which is replaceable.

I know that if I import a file that is encrypted and the security feature in
MSIEv.6 is enabled [do not DL encrypted files to the HD] the file will popup
on the desktop. Financial and bank type stuff.

What about a "High" security level on the local intranet zone?

 

[MEB]

Couple of potential causes:

Primary being that you used local testing first, which possibly added a
registry and/or program entry from your virus program and/or SpyWare prog as
the Desktop folder shortcut/icon.

Another being that this folder was used ON the Internet under your user
name/identity and has its own hht and other *user specific* / *application
specific* residuals. You used online testing programs and they often require
installs and settings of their own [files and registry], which remain AFTER
removal or use.

The Desktop is NOT a good place to store files or test or install from as
there are too many potential issues associated with its use and settings.

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"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:OCAMgTl0IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| Today I deleted a collection of old flagged "corrupted files" folder after
| checking these files at all those lovely websites like VirusTotal etc..
| Since this was on the desktop before deletion, a hole in the icon set was
| present and I rearranged them by type. Suddenly, a folder pops up in the
| place of the old "corrupted file" folder called [Application Data]. This
is
| the one you find in Windows and also in Profiles of User under Windows
with
| multiple users. Why would a copy of this folder show up on the desktop?
|
| None of these files that were deleted would have an impact on this except
| possibly awswax.ocx which is replaceable.
|
| I know that if I import a file that is encrypted and the security feature
in
| MSIEv.6 is enabled [do not DL encrypted files to the HD] the file will
popup
| on the desktop. Financial and bank type stuff.
|
| What about a "High" security level on the local intranet zone?
|

 

[Jim]

This might be, I did run AV program prior to deleteing the folder with the
flagged files. Is this what your referring too.

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uL$xR$l0IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> Couple of potential causes:
>
> Primary being that you used local testing first, which possibly added a
> registry and/or program entry from your virus program and/or SpyWare prog
as
> the Desktop folder shortcut/icon.
>
> Another being that this folder was used ON the Internet under your user
> name/identity and has its own hht and other *user specific* / *application
> specific* residuals. You used online testing programs and they often
require
> installs and settings of their own [files and registry], which remain
AFTER
> removal or use.
>
> The Desktop is NOT a good place to store files or test or install from as
> there are too many potential issues associated with its use and settings.
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OCAMgTl0IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | Today I deleted a collection of old flagged "corrupted files" folder
after
> | checking these files at all those lovely websites like VirusTotal etc..
> | Since this was on the desktop before deletion, a hole in the icon set
was
> | present and I rearranged them by type. Suddenly, a folder pops up in the
> | place of the old "corrupted file" folder called [Application Data]. This
> is
> | the one you find in Windows and also in Profiles of User under Windows
> with
> | multiple users. Why would a copy of this folder show up on the desktop?
> |
> | None of these files that were deleted would have an impact on this
except
> | possibly awswax.ocx which is replaceable.
> |
> | I know that if I import a file that is encrypted and the security
feature
> in
> | MSIEv.6 is enabled [do not DL encrypted files to the HD] the file will
> popup
> | on the desktop. Financial and bank type stuff.
> |
> | What about a "High" security level on the local intranet zone?
> |
>
>

 

[MEB]

Yes. Depending upon which AV and Internet programs you used, there may be
registered entries for the folder and/or the settings associated with it.

Might want to check first in the settings for your local AV to see if there
is/was this folder/desktop icon associated with the
*container/vault/whatever* folder you created or the program created at your
direction, or within the AV scheduled tasks or other settings [such as
special folders].

As for those Internet testing programs, you would have to check for
registry or other entries or files [including %windir%\Downloaded Program
Files] that might be associated with them. Be CAUTIOUS when using online
scanning services as you authorize, and they generally require, access not
normally allowed...

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http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:u99JVLm0IHA.1628@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| This might be, I did run AV program prior to deleteing the folder with the
| flagged files. Is this what your referring too.
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:uL$xR$l0IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| >
| > Couple of potential causes:
| >
| > Primary being that you used local testing first, which possibly added a
| > registry and/or program entry from your virus program and/or SpyWare
prog
| as
| > the Desktop folder shortcut/icon.
| >
| > Another being that this folder was used ON the Internet under your user
| > name/identity and has its own hht and other *user specific* /
*application
| > specific* residuals. You used online testing programs and they often
| require
| > installs and settings of their own [files and registry], which remain
| AFTER
| > removal or use.
| >
| > The Desktop is NOT a good place to store files or test or install from
as
| > there are too many potential issues associated with its use and
settings.
| >
| > --
| > MEB
| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
| > news:OCAMgTl0IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | Today I deleted a collection of old flagged "corrupted files" folder
| after
| > | checking these files at all those lovely websites like VirusTotal
etc..
| > | Since this was on the desktop before deletion, a hole in the icon set
| was
| > | present and I rearranged them by type. Suddenly, a folder pops up in
the
| > | place of the old "corrupted file" folder called [Application Data].
This
| > is
| > | the one you find in Windows and also in Profiles of User under Windows
| > with
| > | multiple users. Why would a copy of this folder show up on the
desktop?
| > |
| > | None of these files that were deleted would have an impact on this
| except
| > | possibly awswax.ocx which is replaceable.
| > |
| > | I know that if I import a file that is encrypted and the security
| feature
| > in
| > | MSIEv.6 is enabled [do not DL encrypted files to the HD] the file will
| > popup
| > | on the desktop. Financial and bank type stuff.
| > |
| > | What about a "High" security level on the local intranet zone?
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Jim]

I had some files in a vault. Also, I had tried to change the "corrupted"
folder to restricted zone when working with it. I am guessing, but I think I
can just delete that folder without losses. Currently I am holding it in the
recycle bin.

 

[MEB]

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:eTkjL0n0IHA.4084@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| I had some files in a vault. Also, I had tried to change the "corrupted"
| folder to restricted zone when working with it. I am guessing, but I think
I
| can just delete that folder without losses. Currently I am holding it in
the
| recycle bin.
|

Changed to restricted in .... IE or what.. if ANY such change was made you
will have registry entries to deal with..
You aren't using the Web interface on the desktop are you?

IF NOT:
First copy the new Desktop shortcut *properties* to a text editor and save
that for reference, then delete the new Shortcut. Open Recycle Bin and LOOK
at the *path/original location* for the folder/files, then add that to the
saved Desktop Shortcut file, and delete the files from Recycle Bin. Also
check in your AV program or whatever else you used for any reference to it
[the desktop folder/shortcut]...
If any errors crop up look in the registry for the entries from the saved
file, and search the disk for any other references..

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
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[Jim]

I am not using the [view as webpage] feature of windows explorer or active
desktop./

The folder was not a shortcut only a copy of what already existed in
C:\windows and \profiles. I used to clean the registry with ccleaner and
stopped because many knowledgeable people have posted that this stuff is not
only a waste of time, it accomplishes nothing or at worst may cause more
problems for the user down the road of life.

The *path/original location* C:\Windows\Desktop since 9/2000 this has been
on desktop probably a hidden system folder since this machine has been on
internet!

----- Original Message -----
From: "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: strange!?


>
>
> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:eTkjL0n0IHA.4084@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | I had some files in a vault. Also, I had tried to change the "corrupted"
> | folder to restricted zone when working with it. I am guessing, but I
think
> I
> | can just delete that folder without losses. Currently I am holding it in
> the
> | recycle bin.
> |
>
> Changed to restricted in .... IE or what.. if ANY such change was made
you
> will have registry entries to deal with..
> You aren't using the Web interface on the desktop are you?
>
> IF NOT:
> First copy the new Desktop shortcut *properties* to a text editor and
save
> that for reference, then delete the new Shortcut. Open Recycle Bin and
LOOK
> at the *path/original location* for the folder/files, then add that to the
> saved Desktop Shortcut file, and delete the files from Recycle Bin. Also
> check in your AV program or whatever else you used for any reference to it
> [the desktop folder/shortcut]...
> If any errors crop up look in the registry for the entries from the saved
> file, and search the disk for any other references..
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
>
>

 

[MEB]

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:%238lhhUu0IHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| I am not using the [view as webpage] feature of windows explorer or active
| desktop./
|
| The folder was not a shortcut only a copy of what already existed in
| C:\windows and \profiles. I used to clean the registry with ccleaner and
| stopped because many knowledgeable people have posted that this stuff is
not
| only a waste of time, it accomplishes nothing or at worst may cause more
| problems for the user down the road of life.

Well, we have had our disagreements in this group on that issue as well. To
the common/normal user: Not really a good idea as most [all] require some
working knowledge of Windows and the registry. The default activities of the
cleaner MAY remove more than it should. When others referred to
"accomplishes nothing" isn't exactly true as they can be effective at
removing left over registry entries from uninstalled programs or failed
installations. That reference is towards the MRU entries for the most part..

In the hands of or used under direction of a knowledgeable person, they can
be and generally are an invaluable *discovery* tool.

|
| The *path/original location* C:\Windows\Desktop since 9/2000 this has
been
| on desktop probably a hidden system folder since this machine has been on
| internet!

Okay, that's a bit more info,, so its been around apparently since 2000.
Did you attempt to trace it to what or who originally created this?

The reason is: Unless this type of activity was allowed, there would be no
link/folder there [the desktop]. So at some point you or some
program/application had to create the folder/link. Seems I remember AVG,
Norton, and a few other like programs allowing this type of activity.
Now, you have indicated *you* made the decision to attempt to assign this
folder to the *restricted zone*, a personal modification, done via the *user
profile* you apparently use/used. These *personal user* modifications are
held in several places/areas AND become *registered* [in any Windows 9X>up
OS where USER specific settings are used {logon name, password optional -
but suggested}]. As previously indicated, using online applications WILL
create user specific settings as well.
Removing those *user specific folder/modifications* WITHOUT removing the
related registered entries produces [as you found out] a user setting
without resolution,.Windows apparently adjusted/compensated [in this case]
by re-creating (resolving) the non-existent [manually removed] *user link*
{which was the user settings for the folder} by using the old user specific
settings or rather what remained{s} of them.

The Desktop has a very *special* relationship with Windows OSs. It has some
very special GUIDs, SLSIDs, and SSIDs {and other} associated with it, and
restrictions and allowances. IF changed WITHOUT shut down or otherwise
saving the new settings, its containment's remain in the registry and
memory,
EVEN those removed.
An interesting aspect is: Let's say you had a folder on the Desktop in
Win98 and you updated to win98SE. That folder "could" have a special place
and registry settings IN the updated OS and registry. Its not just a normal
desktop folder [or potentially an application's], its something else, an
actual part of the updated OS which can remain even after removing whatever
application was previously associated with them. Removing these special
*objects* [essentially default items] requires removal from the registry.
Sometimes you find them listed under
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Desktop\NameSpace,
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders,
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders,
or some other key normally reserved for only Microsoft defaults, or special
previous *user settings* now converted to default action/key.
Microsoft has/had several KBs on these issues.
Examples:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/162170/en-us - How to Remove Default Desktop
Icons
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192393/en-us - The Windows 98 Desktop Icons
Are Missing
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/177909/en-us - Unable to Create Shortcuts on
the Desktop
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171002/en-us - How Windows Stores View
Preferences
Q140443 How to Create a Shortcut on the Desktop
Q140752 How to Change Fonts and Colors of Desktop Items
Q141276 How to View System and Hidden Files in Windows
Q119941 How to Restore, Convert, Troubleshoot Folders in Windows 95/98

There were also issues after installation of IE4:
Internet Explorer 4.0 with the Windows Desktop Update component


That newly created folder [link you found created] provided the info to
what MIGHT have caused the original creation. It might have looked something
like this:
C:\WINDOWS\UserData\UN6HVRIP\something - [identity changed]
AND/OR
C:\WINDOWS\Application
Data\Identities\{30A767A0-BD6B-44FD-969D-0010B53F8139}\Microsoft\something -
[identity changed]
AND/OR
C:\WINDOWS\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp\something
AND/OR
C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files\somethingobject
AND/OR
C:\WINDOWS\Local Settings\Application Data\something
and could have come from:
as previously indicated, some specific setting in your AV program [or some
other], its INI or DATA files, or registry related entries
AND/OR
one of the Desktop and/or Explorer and/or IE related registry entries OR
from an old desktop folder/user setting elevated to a special *object*.

I suppose I would be remiss if I failed to also point out that you may have
some program monitoring the desktop/system which didn't/doesn't allow the
removal of desktop items. There are quite a few programs now providing this
protection.

--
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http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:34 AM
| Subject: Re: strange!?
|
|
| >
| >
| > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
| > news:eTkjL0n0IHA.4084@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | I had some files in a vault. Also, I had tried to change the
"corrupted"
| > | folder to restricted zone when working with it. I am guessing, but I
| think
| > I
| > | can just delete that folder without losses. Currently I am holding it
in
| > the
| > | recycle bin.
| > |
| >
| > Changed to restricted in .... IE or what.. if ANY such change was made
| you
| > will have registry entries to deal with..
| > You aren't using the Web interface on the desktop are you?
| >
| > IF NOT:
| > First copy the new Desktop shortcut *properties* to a text editor and
| save
| > that for reference, then delete the new Shortcut. Open Recycle Bin and
| LOOK
| > at the *path/original location* for the folder/files, then add that to
the
| > saved Desktop Shortcut file, and delete the files from Recycle Bin. Also
| > check in your AV program or whatever else you used for any reference to
it
| > [the desktop folder/shortcut]...
| > If any errors crop up look in the registry for the entries from the
saved
| > file, and search the disk for any other references..
| >
| > --
| > MEB
| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| >
| >
|
|