Win 98 Firefox Users Should Consider Opera 9.27

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smith

Now that Firefox has dropped Win 98 support and any claim of
being a multi-platform browser, Win 98 users should consider
Opera.

The new version, 9.50, is not stable, and I would not recommend
it. However, the preceding stable version, 9.27, works fine, and
I can recommend it.

Opera 9.27 has file extensions for cache files, and you can
easily work the cache with an ordinary file manager. They
dropped the extensions 9.50 only to be met by a chorus of boos
from users. See
http://groups.google.com/group/opera.general/browse_thread/thread
/ed7b283c48d2be3f/35dff7608561bf99?lnk=gst&q=cache#35dff7608561bf
99
 
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Dan

This is not correct information. Mozilla Firefox 2.0.x is still being
updated and supports Windows 98/98SE. Mozilla Firefox 3 does not support
98/98SE. Please do not jump to conclusions without fully researching your
work as I have gotten better at doing. Windows 98/98SE support will end when
Firefox 2.0.x support ends unless Mozilla changes their mind. Remember
nothing is certain yet until it happens.

"smith" wrote:

> Now that Firefox has dropped Win 98 support and any claim of
> being a multi-platform browser, Win 98 users should consider
> Opera.
>
> The new version, 9.50, is not stable, and I would not recommend
> it. However, the preceding stable version, 9.27, works fine, and
> I can recommend it.
>
> Opera 9.27 has file extensions for cache files, and you can
> easily work the cache with an ordinary file manager. They
> dropped the extensions 9.50 only to be met by a chorus of boos
> from users. See
> http://groups.google.com/group/opera.general/browse_thread/thread
> /ed7b283c48d2be3f/35dff7608561bf99?lnk=gst&q=cache#35dff7608561bf
> 99
>
 
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Gary S. Terhune

Thanks for sharing, <yawn>.

How come your links get broken in my Outlook Express? Do they also get
broken in your own Xnews reader? Does this link stay intact for you?
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...cb-5e5d-48f5-b02b-20b602228de6&DisplayLang=en

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"smith" <smith@no-spam.com> wrote in message
news:O$n3nDu2IHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Now that Firefox has dropped Win 98 support and any claim of
> being a multi-platform browser, Win 98 users should consider
> Opera.
>
> The new version, 9.50, is not stable, and I would not recommend
> it. However, the preceding stable version, 9.27, works fine, and
> I can recommend it.
>
> Opera 9.27 has file extensions for cache files, and you can
> easily work the cache with an ordinary file manager. They
> dropped the extensions 9.50 only to be met by a chorus of boos
> from users. See
> http://groups.google.com/group/opera.general/browse_thread/thread
> /ed7b283c48d2be3f/35dff7608561bf99?lnk=gst&q=cache#35dff7608561bf
> 99
 
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pixturesk@gmail.com

On Jun 30, 2:41 pm, smith <sm...@no-spam.com> wrote:
> Now that Firefox has dropped Win 98 support and any claim of
> being a multi-platform browser, Win 98 users should consider
> Opera.
>
> The new version, 9.50, is not stable, and I would not recommend
> it. However, the preceding stable version, 9.27, works fine, and
> I can recommend it.
>
> Opera 9.27 has file extensions for cache files, and you can
> easily work the cache with an ordinary file manager. They
> dropped the extensions 9.50 only to be met by a chorus of boos
> from users. Seehttp://groups.google.com/group/opera.general/browse_thread/thread/ed7...
> 99

I will continue to use Firefox 2.0.0.14 even after they stop support.
Just as I also have IE6 SP1, because IE7 cannot run on98SE. Opera is
not an option for me because it's not match for Firefox. With all my
protection software, I think that running Firefox 2.0.0.14 will still
be quite safe.
 
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Angus Rodgers

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:13:11 -0700, Dan
<Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>This is not correct information. Mozilla Firefox 2.0.x is still being
>updated and supports Windows 98/98SE.

Indeed, 2.0.0.14 has just been updated to 2.0.0.15.

--
Angus Rodgers
(twirlip@ eats spam reply to angusrod@)
Contains mild peril
 
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pixturesk@gmail.com

On Jul 2, 10:49 am, Angus Rodgers <twir...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:13:11 -0700, Dan
>
> <D...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >This is not correct information. Mozilla Firefox 2.0.x is still being
> >updated and supports Windows 98/98SE.
>
> Indeed, 2.0.0.14 has just been updated to 2.0.0.15.
>
> --
> Angus Rodgers
> (twirlip@ eats spam reply to angusrod@)
> Contains mild peril

I just installed the 2.0.0.15 update, rather I let Mozilla install it
for me, always works that way.
 
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Angus Rodgers

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:13:11 -0700, Dan
<Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>This is not correct information. Mozilla Firefox 2.0.x is still being
>updated and supports Windows 98/98SE. Mozilla Firefox 3 does not support
>98/98SE. Please do not jump to conclusions without fully researching your
>work as I have gotten better at doing. Windows 98/98SE support will end when
>Firefox 2.0.x support ends unless Mozilla changes their mind. Remember
>nothing is certain yet until it happens.

I don't know if this is a new page at the Mozilla website, but I
hadn't seen it before today:

<http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html>

"Firefox 2.0.0.x will be maintained with security and stability
updates until mid-December, 2008. All users are strongly encouraged
to upgrade to Firefox 3."

(I also hadn't realised there was a fully localised "English (British)"
installer for Firefox 2.)

--
Angus Rodgers
(twirlip@ eats spam reply to angusrod@)
Contains mild peril
 
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Dan

Thanks for the information. It appears that 98(SE) users will have until
around the end of 2008 to find a solution to which browser they should use
next or if they will just remain with an old version of Firefox. I guess if
you have a proper multi-layered safety and security solution then you should
be fairly safe on the 'Net even with older technology but remember not to
expect the level of support that you will get from Microsoft or others to be
as good as the support that they will or at least should give you for newer
products like XP or Vista.

"Angus Rodgers" wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:13:11 -0700, Dan
> <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >This is not correct information. Mozilla Firefox 2.0.x is still being
> >updated and supports Windows 98/98SE. Mozilla Firefox 3 does not support
> >98/98SE. Please do not jump to conclusions without fully researching your
> >work as I have gotten better at doing. Windows 98/98SE support will end when
> >Firefox 2.0.x support ends unless Mozilla changes their mind. Remember
> >nothing is certain yet until it happens.
>
> I don't know if this is a new page at the Mozilla website, but I
> hadn't seen it before today:
>
> <http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html>
>
> "Firefox 2.0.0.x will be maintained with security and stability
> updates until mid-December, 2008. All users are strongly encouraged
> to upgrade to Firefox 3."
>
> (I also hadn't realised there was a fully localised "English (British)"
> installer for Firefox 2.)
>
> --
> Angus Rodgers
> (twirlip@ eats spam reply to angusrod@)
> Contains mild peril
>
 
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glass

"Dan" > This is not correct information. Mozilla Firefox 2.0.x is still being
> updated and supports Windows 98/98SE. Mozilla Firefox 3 does not support
> 98/98SE. Please do not jump to conclusions without fully researching your
> work as I have gotten better at doing. Windows 98/98SE support will end when
> Firefox 2.0.x support ends unless Mozilla changes their mind. Remember
> nothing is certain yet until it happens.


i am still using V1.8..... and it just steams along. the only reason i havent updated any
firefox version, is because they dont support my down-load manager...... 'star downloader',,,
for now, i'm more than happy.......(anything but use ms's ie,, sheeeeeeeesh.)
 
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Franc Zabkar

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:41:26 -0700, smith <smith@no-spam.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Now that Firefox has dropped Win 98 support and any claim of
>being a multi-platform browser, Win 98 users should consider
>Opera.
>
>The new version, 9.50, is not stable, and I would not recommend
>it. However, the preceding stable version, 9.27, works fine, and
>I can recommend it.
>
>Opera 9.27 has file extensions for cache files, and you can
>easily work the cache with an ordinary file manager. They
>dropped the extensions 9.50 only to be met by a chorus of boos
>from users. See
>http://groups.google.com/group/opera.general/browse_thread/thread
>/ed7b283c48d2be3f/35dff7608561bf99?lnk=gst&q=cache#35dff7608561bf
>99

Version 9.51 has just been released. It fixes the very bad resource
leak in the Transfers window.

For those web sites not bogged down in Java or JS, etc, I second
thanatoid's past recommendations in respect of OffByOne:

http://www.offbyone.com/

It is lightning fast on my old socket 7 box, and I use it in
preference to Opera when I am directed to ad-infested web sites, such
as those hosting old forum threads, or news articles. In fact it is
quicker to launch OffByOne and go to the URL than it is to wait for
Opera to download and render it, even with images disabled.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
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glass

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:exb$DTw2IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for sharing, <yawn>.

Yaaaaaaawwwwwnnnn,,, yoouuurn welcome, hope it made your day.
 
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Franc Zabkar

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:55:53 +1000, Franc Zabkar
<fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:41:26 -0700, smith <smith@no-spam.com> put
>finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>>Now that Firefox has dropped Win 98 support and any claim of
>>being a multi-platform browser, Win 98 users should consider
>>Opera.
>>
>>The new version, 9.50, is not stable, and I would not recommend
>>it. However, the preceding stable version, 9.27, works fine, and
>>I can recommend it.

>Version 9.51 has just been released. It fixes the very bad resource
>leak in the Transfers window.

Unfortunately there appear to be other serious resource problems. See
the current discussions at the opera.general newsgroup.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
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Franc Zabkar

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:41:26 -0700, smith <smith@no-spam.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Now that Firefox has dropped Win 98 support and any claim of
>being a multi-platform browser, Win 98 users should consider
>Opera.
>
>The new version, 9.50, is not stable, and I would not recommend
>it. However, the preceding stable version, 9.27, works fine, and
>I can recommend it.
>
>Opera 9.27 has file extensions for cache files, and you can
>easily work the cache with an ordinary file manager. They
>dropped the extensions 9.50 only to be met by a chorus of boos
>from users. See
>http://groups.google.com/group/opera.general/browse_thread/thread
>/ed7b283c48d2be3f/35dff7608561bf99?lnk=gst&q=cache#35dff7608561bf
>99

I have just customised my Opera menu to allow me to direct problematic
URLs to alternative browsers including IE, Firefox, and OffByOne.

Opera 7+ users can copy the following file to their Opera\profile\menu
directory:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/my_menu.ini

Then in Opera, go to Tools -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Toolbars and
select "My menu prefs". This does not override the existing menu, it
just supplements it with minor additions.

You will now be provided with a choice of alternative browsers when
you r-click a link, or when you r-click the page.

I wonder if IE or Firefox could be customised in the same way.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
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Dan

Unfortunately, from a safety and a security standpoint, I think Opera only
supports 128 bit maximum cipher strength unless this has been upgraded
recently to 256 bit cipher strength

Mozilla Firefox --- Windows 98 Second Edition and on --- 256 mix AES
encryption standard supported (I don't know about Windows 98 first edition
--- 1998 --- because I need to use USB)

Internet Explorer --- (Supports 256 bit AES encryption in Windows Vista but
not Windows XP Professional and no plans to do this sadly enough according to
Microsoft information provided at Microsoft Public Newsgroups)

The web sites are also getting lazy because of a lack of attacks on 128 bit
RC4 cipher strength. For example, Google Gmail now only gives you maximum of
128 bit RC4 cipher downgraded from 256 bit AES cipher strength

Yahoo Email --- to their credit continue to support 256 bit AES (Advanced
Encryption Standard) in their Yahoo email when using Mozilla Firefox --- not
sure yet about Windows Vista --- have not research it enough

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"Franc Zabkar" wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:41:26 -0700, smith <smith@no-spam.com> put
> finger to keyboard and composed:
>
> >Now that Firefox has dropped Win 98 support and any claim of
> >being a multi-platform browser, Win 98 users should consider
> >Opera.
> >
> >The new version, 9.50, is not stable, and I would not recommend
> >it. However, the preceding stable version, 9.27, works fine, and
> >I can recommend it.
> >
> >Opera 9.27 has file extensions for cache files, and you can
> >easily work the cache with an ordinary file manager. They
> >dropped the extensions 9.50 only to be met by a chorus of boos
> >from users. See
> >http://groups.google.com/group/opera.general/browse_thread/thread
> >/ed7b283c48d2be3f/35dff7608561bf99?lnk=gst&q=cache#35dff7608561bf
> >99
>
> I have just customised my Opera menu to allow me to direct problematic
> URLs to alternative browsers including IE, Firefox, and OffByOne.
>
> Opera 7+ users can copy the following file to their Opera\profile\menu
> directory:
> http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/my_menu.ini
>
> Then in Opera, go to Tools -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Toolbars and
> select "My menu prefs". This does not override the existing menu, it
> just supplements it with minor additions.
>
> You will now be provided with a choice of alternative browsers when
> you r-click a link, or when you r-click the page.
>
> I wonder if IE or Firefox could be customised in the same way.
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
>
 
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