Reports: Intel to skip Vista upgrade

[cheley_bonstell88@live.com]

FYI . . .

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-9977911-56.html


For any given release of Windows, there are companies that choose to
skip it. But when the company is Intel, it's a big deal.

Following a report Monday on the Inquirer, the New York Times reported
Wednesday that Intel's IT department "found no compelling case" for
upgrading. Ouch.

And that's despite the fact that it's been nearly seven years since XP
debuted. It's not a good thing, if your customers are electing to
stick with 7-year-old technology. (In fairness, XP did get a fairly
big update with Windows XP Service Pack 2, but even that is four years
old at this point.)

Microsoft, which once predicted businesses would adopt Vista at twice
the rate they moved to XP, has scaled back its ambitions and these
days talks a lot about how long the adoption curve is for businesses
when it comes to new operating systems.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in 2002,
when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember?
Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002:

Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's [sic]
long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so.
The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out
Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft.
The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this year
standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world.

Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast

 

[Dustin Harper]

Maybe they know something we don't. Maybe Windows 7 is coming next year? I
could only pray. I want to play with it!

I love Vista, but for many corporations, it just isn't worth the price
(software plus higher hardware requirements, possible whole new computers
around the whole place). It works great with Windows Server 2008. But, you
said, the same happened with Windows XP. Lots of people and corporations
said there just wasn't any reason to upgrade from Windows 2000...

But, MANY people said there was plenty of reasons to upgrade from Windows
ME! ) Even Microsoft skipped that generation. (Yes, I know it was a
consumer OS, I am just joking. )


--

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dharper@vistarip.com
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:ebGxcc52IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in 2002,
> when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember?
> Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002:
>
> Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's [sic]
> long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so.
> The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out
> Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft.
> The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this year
> standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world.
>
> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience -
> Windows Vista Enthusiast
>
>

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in 2002,
> when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember?
> Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002:
>
> Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's [sic]
> long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so.
> The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out
> Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft.
> The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this year
> standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world.
>
> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481
>

It sounds like Intel has little to no faith in Microsoft's software
until it's been out for a long time. That is going to send a huge
message to the rest of the business world screaming "stay away from any
MS software that isn't old!!" Since Intel has been sending this message
out since at least 2002 it's no wonder noone is buying vista.

So the Inquirer is your favorite news site now?

--
"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101

 

[Jan Hyde (VB MVP)]

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
Nina DiBoy' <me19@privacy.net>'s wild thoughts were released
on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:50 -0500 bearing the following
fruit:

>Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>> Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in 2002,
>> when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember?
>> Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002:
>>
>> Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's [sic]
>> long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so.
>> The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out
>> Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft.
>> The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this year
>> standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world.
>>
>> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481
>>
>
>It sounds like Intel has little to no faith in Microsoft's software
>until it's been out for a long time. That is going to send a huge
>message to the rest of the business world screaming "stay away from any
>MS software that isn't old!!" Since Intel has been sending this message
>out since at least 2002 it's no wonder noone is buying vista.
>
>So the Inquirer is your favorite news site now?

It sounds like they don't want to undergo the
cost/disruption of uppgrading etc just like many, many
companies. They haven't send any message about faith in MS
much as people like to infer.
--
Jan Hyde

https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Jan.Hyde

 

[Mark H]

It's not that big a deal and has little or nothing to do with Vista, per se.
Companies do not operate based on an computer operating system. It is
usually the specialized software they use that dictates whether they upgrade
or not. Self-employed, small business, no specialized software... upgrade in
a heartbeat.

Payroll, inventory, work management, machinery control, etc... compatibility
will not be risked or the cost of upgrading the specialized software is too
great.
(It ain't broke, why fix it.) Example: I run and repair a $20M simulator.
Replace the OS: $400. Upgrade the computer system: $15,000. Make the
simulator code compatible, test, train and implement: $1,000,000. Why
upgrade?

Big companies spend gazillions on computers and maintenance costs... the
hardware is a mere fraction of the cost and not likely to stop an upgrade.
The cost of training all the companies personnel to interact with an
operating system instead of the company business, or upgrade the specialized
software is a phenomenal cost.


"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
<me19@privacy.net> wrote in message news:g4e3ub$i0k$1@aioe.org...
> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> > Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in 2002,
> > when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember?
> > Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002:
> >
> > Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's [sic]
> > long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so.
> > The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out
> > Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft.
> > The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this year
> > standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world.
> >
> > Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481
> >
>
> It sounds like Intel has little to no faith in Microsoft's software
> until it's been out for a long time. That is going to send a huge
> message to the rest of the business world screaming "stay away from any
> MS software that isn't old!!" Since Intel has been sending this message
> out since at least 2002 it's no wonder noone is buying vista.
>
> So the Inquirer is your favorite news site now?
>
> --
> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
> free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
> creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
> rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
> - Maura Corbett
>
> DRM and unintended consequences:
> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
> Nina DiBoy' <me19@privacy.net>'s wild thoughts were released
> on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:50 -0500 bearing the following
> fruit:
>
>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>> Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in 2002,
>>> when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember?
>>> Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002:
>>>
>>> Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's [sic]
>>> long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so.
>>> The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out
>>> Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft.
>>> The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this year
>>> standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world.
>>>
>>> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481
>>>
>> It sounds like Intel has little to no faith in Microsoft's software
>> until it's been out for a long time. That is going to send a huge
>> message to the rest of the business world screaming "stay away from any
>> MS software that isn't old!!" Since Intel has been sending this message
>> out since at least 2002 it's no wonder noone is buying vista.
>>
>> So the Inquirer is your favorite news site now?
>
> It sounds like they don't want to undergo the
> cost/disruption of uppgrading etc just like many, many
> companies. They haven't send any message about faith in MS
> much as people like to infer.
> --
> Jan Hyde
>
> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Jan.Hyde

You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. )

--
"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101

 

[Jan Hyde (VB MVP)]

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
Nina DiBoy' <me19@privacy.net>'s wild thoughts were released
on Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:50:54 -0500 bearing the following
fruit:

>Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@privacy.net>'s wild thoughts were released
>> on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:50 -0500 bearing the following
>> fruit:
>>
>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>> Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in 2002,
>>>> when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember?
>>>> Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002:
>>>>
>>>> Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's [sic]
>>>> long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so.
>>>> The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out
>>>> Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft.
>>>> The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this year
>>>> standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world.
>>>>
>>>> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481
>>>>
>>> It sounds like Intel has little to no faith in Microsoft's software
>>> until it's been out for a long time. That is going to send a huge
>>> message to the rest of the business world screaming "stay away from any
>>> MS software that isn't old!!" Since Intel has been sending this message
>>> out since at least 2002 it's no wonder noone is buying vista.
>>>
>>> So the Inquirer is your favorite news site now?
>>
>> It sounds like they don't want to undergo the
>> cost/disruption of uppgrading etc just like many, many
>> companies. They haven't send any message about faith in MS
>> much as people like to infer.
>> --
>> Jan Hyde
>>
>> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Jan.Hyde
>
>You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. )

I don't feel better or worse one way or the other. The truth
is that there are no facts to support your statement. You're
not the only one trying to draw this conclusion though. The
article has been posted over and over, almost always with
the intent of using it to support a Vista bashing theory.


--
Jan Hyde

https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Jan.Hyde

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
> Nina DiBoy' <me19@privacy.net>'s wild thoughts were released
> on Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:50:54 -0500 bearing the following
> fruit:
>
>> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
>>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@privacy.net>'s wild thoughts were released
>>> on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:50 -0500 bearing the following
>>> fruit:
>>>
>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>> Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in 2002,
>>>>> when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember?
>>>>> Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002:
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's [sic]
>>>>> long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so.
>>>>> The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out
>>>>> Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft.
>>>>> The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this year
>>>>> standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481
>>>>>
>>>> It sounds like Intel has little to no faith in Microsoft's software
>>>> until it's been out for a long time. That is going to send a huge
>>>> message to the rest of the business world screaming "stay away from any
>>>> MS software that isn't old!!" Since Intel has been sending this message
>>>> out since at least 2002 it's no wonder noone is buying vista.
>>>>
>>>> So the Inquirer is your favorite news site now?
>>> It sounds like they don't want to undergo the
>>> cost/disruption of uppgrading etc just like many, many
>>> companies. They haven't send any message about faith in MS
>>> much as people like to infer.
>>>
>> You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. )
>
> I don't feel better or worse one way or the other. The truth
> is that there are no facts to support your statement. You're
> not the only one trying to draw this conclusion though. The
> article has been posted over and over, almost always with
> the intent of using it to support a Vista bashing theory.
>

Sure there is.
Lots of other companies are not moving to vista yet:

http://news.cnet.com/How-quickly-will-businesses-adopt-Vista/2100-1016_3-6134635.html
"Microsoft, meanwhile, is predicting a speedy adoption for Vista. Brad
Goldberg, general manager for Windows Client product management,
predicted in September that Vista would be put in use by twice as many
businesses in the first year as Windows XP was in the 12 months
following its October 2001 release..." This hasn't happened.

"They have done all the right things, but adoption is going to be driven
by corporate adoption and deployment cycles--more so than by whether
Microsoft has greased the skids to make the product glide in faster,"
Gillen said in the September interview...."

"Driven by corporate adoption", corporate adoption, much of which is not
happening as evidenced by companies like Intel.

Businesses having second thoughts about Vista
http://www.computerworld.com/action...eBasic&articleId=9028478&source=NLT_AM&nlid=1

A Majority of Businesses Will Not Move To Vista
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/31/1454248

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/1...pse-and-thats-why-the-yahoo-deal-must-happen/

Businesses having second thoughts about Vista
http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=44530
"In a just-released poll of more than 250 of its clients, PatchLink
noted that only 2 percent said they are already running Vista, while
another 9 percent said they planned to roll out Vista in the next three
months. A landslide majority, 87 percent, said they would stay with
their existing version(s) of Windows..."

--
"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101

 

[Mark H]

And, your point is what?
Companies don't want to spend money right now?
Hmm... might have something to do with the economy, oil prices,
whatever...
Get a new soapbox. Your view is myopic. Eschew obfuscation, espouse
elucidation.

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
<me19@privacy.net> wrote in message news:g4iph8$6rv$1@aioe.org...
> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
> > The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
> > Nina DiBoy' <me19@privacy.net>'s wild thoughts were released
> > on Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:50:54 -0500 bearing the following
> > fruit:
> >
> >> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
> >>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
> >>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@privacy.net>'s wild thoughts were released
> >>> on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:50 -0500 bearing the following
> >>> fruit:
> >>>
> >>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> >>>>> Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in
2002,
> >>>>> when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember?
> >>>>> Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's
[sic]
> >>>>> long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so.
> >>>>> The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out
> >>>>> Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft.
> >>>>> The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this
year
> >>>>> standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481
> >>>>>
> >>>> It sounds like Intel has little to no faith in Microsoft's software
> >>>> until it's been out for a long time. That is going to send a huge
> >>>> message to the rest of the business world screaming "stay away from
any
> >>>> MS software that isn't old!!" Since Intel has been sending this
message
> >>>> out since at least 2002 it's no wonder noone is buying vista.
> >>>>
> >>>> So the Inquirer is your favorite news site now?
> >>> It sounds like they don't want to undergo the
> >>> cost/disruption of uppgrading etc just like many, many
> >>> companies. They haven't send any message about faith in MS
> >>> much as people like to infer.
> >>>
> >> You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. )
> >
> > I don't feel better or worse one way or the other. The truth
> > is that there are no facts to support your statement. You're
> > not the only one trying to draw this conclusion though. The
> > article has been posted over and over, almost always with
> > the intent of using it to support a Vista bashing theory.
> >
>
> Sure there is.
> Lots of other companies are not moving to vista yet:
>
>
http://news.cnet.com/How-quickly-will-businesses-adopt-Vista/2100-1016_3-6134635.html
> "Microsoft, meanwhile, is predicting a speedy adoption for Vista. Brad
> Goldberg, general manager for Windows Client product management,
> predicted in September that Vista would be put in use by twice as many
> businesses in the first year as Windows XP was in the 12 months
> following its October 2001 release..." This hasn't happened.
>
> "They have done all the right things, but adoption is going to be driven
> by corporate adoption and deployment cycles--more so than by whether
> Microsoft has greased the skids to make the product glide in faster,"
> Gillen said in the September interview...."
>
> "Driven by corporate adoption", corporate adoption, much of which is not
> happening as evidenced by companies like Intel.
>
> Businesses having second thoughts about Vista
>
http://www.computerworld.com/action...eBasic&articleId=9028478&source=NLT_AM&nlid=1
>
> A Majority of Businesses Will Not Move To Vista
> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/31/1454248
>
>
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/1...pse-and-thats-why-the-yahoo-deal-must-happen/
>
> Businesses having second thoughts about Vista
> http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=44530
> "In a just-released poll of more than 250 of its clients, PatchLink
> noted that only 2 percent said they are already running Vista, while
> another 9 percent said they planned to roll out Vista in the next three
> months. A landslide majority, 87 percent, said they would stay with
> their existing version(s) of Windows..."
>
> --
> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
> free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
> creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
> rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
> - Maura Corbett
>
> DRM and unintended consequences:
> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Mark H wrote:
> And, your point is what?

You'd know if you actually read any of the article links I posted.

> Companies don't want to spend money right now?
> Hmm... might have something to do with the economy, oil prices,
> whatever...
> Get a new soapbox. Your view is myopic.

Your view is supported only by your own bias. That is evidenced clearly
by you responding to my post without even reading the links I posted.
Next time try pulling your head out of your arse and thinking before
hitting reply and blubbering your bias into text and hit send.

> Eschew obfuscation, espouse
> elucidation.
>
> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
> <me19@privacy.net> wrote in message news:g4iph8$6rv$1@aioe.org...
>> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
>>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@privacy.net>'s wild thoughts were released
>>> on Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:50:54 -0500 bearing the following
>>> fruit:
>>>
>>>> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
>>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
>>>>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@privacy.net>'s wild thoughts were released
>>>>> on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:50 -0500 bearing the following
>>>>> fruit:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>> Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in
> 2002,
>>>>>>> when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember?
>>>>>>> Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's
> [sic]
>>>>>>> long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so.
>>>>>>> The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out
>>>>>>> Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft.
>>>>>>> The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this
> year
>>>>>>> standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds like Intel has little to no faith in Microsoft's software
>>>>>> until it's been out for a long time. That is going to send a huge
>>>>>> message to the rest of the business world screaming "stay away from
> any
>>>>>> MS software that isn't old!!" Since Intel has been sending this
> message
>>>>>> out since at least 2002 it's no wonder noone is buying vista.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the Inquirer is your favorite news site now?
>>>>> It sounds like they don't want to undergo the
>>>>> cost/disruption of uppgrading etc just like many, many
>>>>> companies. They haven't send any message about faith in MS
>>>>> much as people like to infer.
>>>>>
>>>> You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. )
>>> I don't feel better or worse one way or the other. The truth
>>> is that there are no facts to support your statement. You're
>>> not the only one trying to draw this conclusion though. The
>>> article has been posted over and over, almost always with
>>> the intent of using it to support a Vista bashing theory.
>>>
>> Sure there is.
>> Lots of other companies are not moving to vista yet:
>>
>>
> http://news.cnet.com/How-quickly-will-businesses-adopt-Vista/2100-1016_3-6134635.html
>> "Microsoft, meanwhile, is predicting a speedy adoption for Vista. Brad
>> Goldberg, general manager for Windows Client product management,
>> predicted in September that Vista would be put in use by twice as many
>> businesses in the first year as Windows XP was in the 12 months
>> following its October 2001 release..." This hasn't happened.
>>
>> "They have done all the right things, but adoption is going to be driven
>> by corporate adoption and deployment cycles--more so than by whether
>> Microsoft has greased the skids to make the product glide in faster,"
>> Gillen said in the September interview...."
>>
>> "Driven by corporate adoption", corporate adoption, much of which is not
>> happening as evidenced by companies like Intel.
>>
>> Businesses having second thoughts about Vista
>>
> http://www.computerworld.com/action...eBasic&articleId=9028478&source=NLT_AM&nlid=1
>> A Majority of Businesses Will Not Move To Vista
>> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/31/1454248
>>
>>
> http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/1...pse-and-thats-why-the-yahoo-deal-must-happen/
>> Businesses having second thoughts about Vista
>> http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=44530
>> "In a just-released poll of more than 250 of its clients, PatchLink
>> noted that only 2 percent said they are already running Vista, while
>> another 9 percent said they planned to roll out Vista in the next three
>> months. A landslide majority, 87 percent, said they would stay with
>> their existing version(s) of Windows..."

--
"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101

 

[Mark H]

I read them the first ten times they were quoted by other Vista bashers.

Try reading the counter posts in your thread, the counter-blogs to each
article, or even the articles you so desperately seem to believe support
your bias and you may find they support my "bias."

"But an equally important reason for the continued sluggishness in Vista
uptake rates is the economy, which has slowed to a crawl." - Ed Bott
Do I need to provide the link?


"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
<me19@privacy.net> wrote in message news:g4ismv$m9n$1@aioe.org...
> Mark H wrote:
> > And, your point is what?
>
> You'd know if you actually read any of the article links I posted.
>
> > Companies don't want to spend money right now?
> > Hmm... might have something to do with the economy, oil prices,
> > whatever...
> > Get a new soapbox. Your view is myopic.
>
> Your view is supported only by your own bias. That is evidenced clearly
> by you responding to my post without even reading the links I posted.
> Next time try pulling your head out of your arse and thinking before
> hitting reply and blubbering your bias into text and hit send.
>
> > Eschew obfuscation, espouse
> > elucidation.
> >
> > "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
> > <me19@privacy.net> wrote in message news:g4iph8$6rv$1@aioe.org...
> >> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
> >>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
> >>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@privacy.net>'s wild thoughts were released
> >>> on Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:50:54 -0500 bearing the following
> >>> fruit:
> >>>
> >>>> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
> >>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
> >>>>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@privacy.net>'s wild thoughts were released
> >>>>> on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:50 -0500 bearing the following
> >>>>> fruit:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> >>>>>>> Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in
> > 2002,
> >>>>>>> when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember?
> >>>>>>> Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's
> > [sic]
> >>>>>>> long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so.
> >>>>>>> The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out
> >>>>>>> Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft.
> >>>>>>> The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this
> > year
> >>>>>>> standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> It sounds like Intel has little to no faith in Microsoft's software
> >>>>>> until it's been out for a long time. That is going to send a huge
> >>>>>> message to the rest of the business world screaming "stay away from
> > any
> >>>>>> MS software that isn't old!!" Since Intel has been sending this
> > message
> >>>>>> out since at least 2002 it's no wonder noone is buying vista.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So the Inquirer is your favorite news site now?
> >>>>> It sounds like they don't want to undergo the
> >>>>> cost/disruption of uppgrading etc just like many, many
> >>>>> companies. They haven't send any message about faith in MS
> >>>>> much as people like to infer.
> >>>>>
> >>>> You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. )
> >>> I don't feel better or worse one way or the other. The truth
> >>> is that there are no facts to support your statement. You're
> >>> not the only one trying to draw this conclusion though. The
> >>> article has been posted over and over, almost always with
> >>> the intent of using it to support a Vista bashing theory.
> >>>
> >> Sure there is.
> >> Lots of other companies are not moving to vista yet:
> >>
> >>
> >
http://news.cnet.com/How-quickly-will-businesses-adopt-Vista/2100-1016_3-6134635.html
> >> "Microsoft, meanwhile, is predicting a speedy adoption for Vista. Brad
> >> Goldberg, general manager for Windows Client product management,
> >> predicted in September that Vista would be put in use by twice as many
> >> businesses in the first year as Windows XP was in the 12 months
> >> following its October 2001 release..." This hasn't happened.
> >>
> >> "They have done all the right things, but adoption is going to be
driven
> >> by corporate adoption and deployment cycles--more so than by whether
> >> Microsoft has greased the skids to make the product glide in faster,"
> >> Gillen said in the September interview...."
> >>
> >> "Driven by corporate adoption", corporate adoption, much of which is
not
> >> happening as evidenced by companies like Intel.
> >>
> >> Businesses having second thoughts about Vista
> >>
> >
http://www.computerworld.com/action...eBasic&articleId=9028478&source=NLT_AM&nlid=1
> >> A Majority of Businesses Will Not Move To Vista
> >> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/31/1454248
> >>
> >>
> >
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/1...pse-and-thats-why-the-yahoo-deal-must-happen/
> >> Businesses having second thoughts about Vista
> >> http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=44530
> >> "In a just-released poll of more than 250 of its clients, PatchLink
> >> noted that only 2 percent said they are already running Vista, while
> >> another 9 percent said they planned to roll out Vista in the next three
> >> months. A landslide majority, 87 percent, said they would stay with
> >> their existing version(s) of Windows..."
>
> --
> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
> free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
> creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
> rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
> - Maura Corbett
>
> DRM and unintended consequences:
> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Mark H wrote:
> I read them the first ten times they were quoted by other Vista bashers.

Yeah right. If you had bothered to read, you would have noticed the
date on most of them.

>
> Try reading the counter posts in your thread, the counter-blogs to each
> article, or even the articles you so desperately seem to believe support
> your bias and you may find they support my "bias."

At least you admit you have one.

>
> "But an equally important reason for the continued sluggishness in Vista
> uptake rates is the economy, which has slowed to a crawl." - Ed Bott

So from this quote, it appears Ed Bott is saying that both reasons are
delaying the roll out of vista for many companies.

> Do I need to provide the link?

I don't know. Have you been feeling this 'need' for a long time? Have
you talked to a therapist about these feelings?

>
>
> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
> <me19@privacy.net> wrote in message news:g4ismv$m9n$1@aioe.org...
>> Mark H wrote:
>>> And, your point is what?
>> You'd know if you actually read any of the article links I posted.
>>
>>> Companies don't want to spend money right now?
>>> Hmm... might have something to do with the economy, oil prices,
>>> whatever...
>>> Get a new soapbox. Your view is myopic.
>> Your view is supported only by your own bias. That is evidenced clearly
>> by you responding to my post without even reading the links I posted.
>> Next time try pulling your head out of your arse and thinking before
>> hitting reply and blubbering your bias into text and hit send.
>>
>>> Eschew obfuscation, espouse
>>> elucidation.
>>>
>>> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
>>> <me19@privacy.net> wrote in message news:g4iph8$6rv$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
>>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
>>>>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@privacy.net>'s wild thoughts were released
>>>>> on Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:50:54 -0500 bearing the following
>>>>> fruit:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
>>>>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
>>>>>>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@privacy.net>'s wild thoughts were released
>>>>>>> on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:50 -0500 bearing the following
>>>>>>> fruit:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in
>>> 2002,
>>>>>>>>> when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember?
>>>>>>>>> Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's
>>> [sic]
>>>>>>>>> long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so.
>>>>>>>>> The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out
>>>>>>>>> Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft.
>>>>>>>>> The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this
>>> year
>>>>>>>>> standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It sounds like Intel has little to no faith in Microsoft's software
>>>>>>>> until it's been out for a long time. That is going to send a huge
>>>>>>>> message to the rest of the business world screaming "stay away from
>>> any
>>>>>>>> MS software that isn't old!!" Since Intel has been sending this
>>> message
>>>>>>>> out since at least 2002 it's no wonder noone is buying vista.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So the Inquirer is your favorite news site now?
>>>>>>> It sounds like they don't want to undergo the
>>>>>>> cost/disruption of uppgrading etc just like many, many
>>>>>>> companies. They haven't send any message about faith in MS
>>>>>>> much as people like to infer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. )
>>>>> I don't feel better or worse one way or the other. The truth
>>>>> is that there are no facts to support your statement. You're
>>>>> not the only one trying to draw this conclusion though. The
>>>>> article has been posted over and over, almost always with
>>>>> the intent of using it to support a Vista bashing theory.
>>>>>
>>>> Sure there is.
>>>> Lots of other companies are not moving to vista yet:
>>>>
>>>>
> http://news.cnet.com/How-quickly-will-businesses-adopt-Vista/2100-1016_3-6134635.html
>>>> "Microsoft, meanwhile, is predicting a speedy adoption for Vista. Brad
>>>> Goldberg, general manager for Windows Client product management,
>>>> predicted in September that Vista would be put in use by twice as many
>>>> businesses in the first year as Windows XP was in the 12 months
>>>> following its October 2001 release..." This hasn't happened.
>>>>
>>>> "They have done all the right things, but adoption is going to be
> driven
>>>> by corporate adoption and deployment cycles--more so than by whether
>>>> Microsoft has greased the skids to make the product glide in faster,"
>>>> Gillen said in the September interview...."
>>>>
>>>> "Driven by corporate adoption", corporate adoption, much of which is
> not
>>>> happening as evidenced by companies like Intel.
>>>>
>>>> Businesses having second thoughts about Vista
>>>>
> http://www.computerworld.com/action...eBasic&articleId=9028478&source=NLT_AM&nlid=1
>>>> A Majority of Businesses Will Not Move To Vista
>>>> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/31/1454248
>>>>
>>>>
> http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/1...pse-and-thats-why-the-yahoo-deal-must-happen/
>>>> Businesses having second thoughts about Vista
>>>> http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=44530
>>>> "In a just-released poll of more than 250 of its clients, PatchLink
>>>> noted that only 2 percent said they are already running Vista, while
>>>> another 9 percent said they planned to roll out Vista in the next three
>>>> months. A landslide majority, 87 percent, said they would stay with
>>>> their existing version(s) of Windows..."

--
"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101

 

[Mark]

Same thing, every quarter for the last two and one-half years with "some"
company not quickly rolling over to it.
And before Vista, it was XP...

My company still uses W2K on thousands of machines.
It's an operating system. In that light, DOS worked just fine...

If it doesn't make my business software run any better and requires
re-training to use it...
Why upgrade if what I have already can be made to do what I need?
Anything beyond this simple requirement is bloat no matter who's OS it is.

But, call it what you want...
Wish I could say I had sold 150 millions pieces of garbage at $200+ each.
(Even if it didn't meet predictions of more.)

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
<me19@privacy.net> wrote in message news:g4j8ic$cks$1@aioe.org...
> Mark H wrote:
>> I read them the first ten times they were quoted by other Vista bashers.
>
> Yeah right. If you had bothered to read, you would have noticed the date
> on most of them.
>