AGP texture acceleration - Active or not ?

[dave xnet]

Hello,
my old voodoo 3 2000 video card died, so I threw iin a
Radeon vivo 7200 I had spare. In Windows 98, I'm running
Catalyst 3.1 (Omega version). The driver seems to be running fine.

I have a VIA MVP3 MB, the 4in1 is installed, and I updated the
via cpu to agp bridge manually for good measure.

In dxdiag, the AGP texture accelaration button is "greyed out"
and is apparently "not available". However, in the ATI advanced
settings/smartgart tab it shows AGP is operational at 1x.

I installed 3dmark 2001 SE and it ran fine to completion. It confirms
AGP is active at 1x, but dxdiag still has the greyed out button.

What is the status of AGP on this system ?

 

[glee]

AGP 1x? That does not sound right, for a Radeon Vivo 7200, which AFAIK is in a
generation of video card much newer than what would be only AGP 1x.

Start by checking your AGP-related BIOS settings. Is there a setting to enable AGP
2x or 4x? What is the AGP Aperture set at?

Also, is the Catalyst 3.1 the latest driver you can use in Win98SE for that card? I
thought it would use something in the 4x family of drivers, or even newer. The ATi
support site shows 6.x drivers for that card, for 98SE (using supported ME drivers).
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


"dave xnet" <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kq7l741c11mg0sjc50e2ujabtjhpkd343d@4ax.com...
> Hello,
> my old voodoo 3 2000 video card died, so I threw iin a
> Radeon vivo 7200 I had spare. In Windows 98, I'm running
> Catalyst 3.1 (Omega version). The driver seems to be running fine.
>
> I have a VIA MVP3 MB, the 4in1 is installed, and I updated the
> via cpu to agp bridge manually for good measure.
>
> In dxdiag, the AGP texture accelaration button is "greyed out"
> and is apparently "not available". However, in the ATI advanced
> settings/smartgart tab it shows AGP is operational at 1x.
>
> I installed 3dmark 2001 SE and it ran fine to completion. It confirms
> AGP is active at 1x, but dxdiag still has the greyed out button.
>
> What is the status of AGP on this system ?
>

 

[glee]

Additionally, see if any of this is helpful:

Testing DirectDraw, Direct3d AGP Texture Acceleration - MSDN Forums
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1662085&SiteID=1

How can I get AGP Texture Acceleration?
http://www.pcuser.com.au/pcuser/hs2.nsf/web/71C3DE07F9D6CA9DCA2570810010FF4B

Dxdiag.exe Does Not Report AGP Texture Acceleration
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/810772

Graphics - AGP Texture Acceleration shows as "Not Available"
http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-009689.htm


"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:OiUwIDX5IHA.4776@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> AGP 1x? That does not sound right, for a Radeon Vivo 7200, which AFAIK is in a
> generation of video card much newer than what would be only AGP 1x.
>
> Start by checking your AGP-related BIOS settings. Is there a setting to enable
> AGP 2x or 4x? What is the AGP Aperture set at?
>
> Also, is the Catalyst 3.1 the latest driver you can use in Win98SE for that card?
> I thought it would use something in the 4x family of drivers, or even newer. The
> ATi support site shows 6.x drivers for that card, for 98SE (using supported ME
> drivers).
>
>
> "dave xnet" <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:kq7l741c11mg0sjc50e2ujabtjhpkd343d@4ax.com...
>> Hello,
>> my old voodoo 3 2000 video card died, so I threw iin a
>> Radeon vivo 7200 I had spare. In Windows 98, I'm running
>> Catalyst 3.1 (Omega version). The driver seems to be running fine.
>>
>> I have a VIA MVP3 MB, the 4in1 is installed, and I updated the
>> via cpu to agp bridge manually for good measure.
>>
>> In dxdiag, the AGP texture accelaration button is "greyed out"
>> and is apparently "not available". However, in the ATI advanced
>> settings/smartgart tab it shows AGP is operational at 1x.
>>
>> I installed 3dmark 2001 SE and it ran fine to completion. It confirms
>> AGP is active at 1x, but dxdiag still has the greyed out button.
>>
>> What is the status of AGP on this system ?

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

 

[dave xnet]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:23:14 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
wrote:

>Additionally, see if any of this is helpful:
>
>Testing DirectDraw, Direct3d AGP Texture Acceleration - MSDN Forums
>http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1662085&SiteID=1
>
>How can I get AGP Texture Acceleration?
>http://www.pcuser.com.au/pcuser/hs2.nsf/web/71C3DE07F9D6CA9DCA2570810010FF4B
>
>Dxdiag.exe Does Not Report AGP Texture Acceleration
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/810772
>
>Graphics - AGP Texture Acceleration shows as "Not Available"
>http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-009689.htm
>
>
>"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:OiUwIDX5IHA.4776@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> AGP 1x? That does not sound right, for a Radeon Vivo 7200, which AFAIK is in a
>> generation of video card much newer than what would be only AGP 1x.
>>
>> Start by checking your AGP-related BIOS settings. Is there a setting to enable
>> AGP 2x or 4x? What is the AGP Aperture set at?
>>
>> Also, is the Catalyst 3.1 the latest driver you can use in Win98SE for that card?
>> I thought it would use something in the 4x family of drivers, or even newer. The
>> ATi support site shows 6.x drivers for that card, for 98SE (using supported ME
>> drivers).
>>
>>
>> "dave xnet" <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:kq7l741c11mg0sjc50e2ujabtjhpkd343d@4ax.com...
>>> Hello,
>>> my old voodoo 3 2000 video card died, so I threw iin a
>>> Radeon vivo 7200 I had spare. In Windows 98, I'm running
>>> Catalyst 3.1 (Omega version). The driver seems to be running fine.
>>>
>>> I have a VIA MVP3 MB, the 4in1 is installed, and I updated the
>>> via cpu to agp bridge manually for good measure.
>>>
>>> In dxdiag, the AGP texture accelaration button is "greyed out"
>>> and is apparently "not available". However, in the ATI advanced
>>> settings/smartgart tab it shows AGP is operational at 1x.
>>>
>>> I installed 3dmark 2001 SE and it ran fine to completion. It confirms
>>> AGP is active at 1x, but dxdiag still has the greyed out button.
>>>
>>> What is the status of AGP on this system ?
Glee,
thanks for the info. I had tried Catalyst 4.1 earlier, but the
results were the same. Regarding newer versions, I was never able
to get it to even install properly, so I gave up.

Cat 3.1 was recommended to me in a forum so I gave it a try.
Agp 2x was selectable in the Smartgart tab, but upon reboot,
AGP was inactive. AGP 1x stuck, so I left it like it is
for now. But the whole thing is suspicious, as you say.

Regarding the Via Gart, earlier versions of the 4in1 driver installed
viagart.vxd, but I didn't get anywhere with that. New Hyperion driver
for Via installs viaagp1.sys for 98se, and that's what I'm testing
with now.

All the registry entries that I'm aware of seem OK.
Thanks for you links, I digest them in the next few days or so.
Dave

 

[dave xnet]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:09:19 -0700, dave xnet
<davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:23:14 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Additionally, see if any of this is helpful:
>>
>>Testing DirectDraw, Direct3d AGP Texture Acceleration - MSDN Forums
>>http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1662085&SiteID=1
>>
>>How can I get AGP Texture Acceleration?
>>http://www.pcuser.com.au/pcuser/hs2.nsf/web/71C3DE07F9D6CA9DCA2570810010FF4B
>>
>>Dxdiag.exe Does Not Report AGP Texture Acceleration
>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/810772
>>
>>Graphics - AGP Texture Acceleration shows as "Not Available"
>>http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-009689.htm
>>
>>
>>"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:OiUwIDX5IHA.4776@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> AGP 1x? That does not sound right, for a Radeon Vivo 7200, which AFAIK is in a
>>> generation of video card much newer than what would be only AGP 1x.
>>>
>>> Start by checking your AGP-related BIOS settings. Is there a setting to enable
>>> AGP 2x or 4x? What is the AGP Aperture set at?
>>>
>>> Also, is the Catalyst 3.1 the latest driver you can use in Win98SE for that card?
>>> I thought it would use something in the 4x family of drivers, or even newer. The
>>> ATi support site shows 6.x drivers for that card, for 98SE (using supported ME
>>> drivers).

Unfortunately, did not glean anything further from those articles.
I did manage to set AGP to 2x in the driver
settings/advanced/smartgart tab and it stuck.

My 3d mark 2001 score went from 1245 (1x) to 1276 (2x)
But the texture button in dxdiag is still greyed out.

I have dual boot win2k on this same box, the texture
button is working,and acceleration is enabled.
But when I go to install 3dmark 2001 I get the message
"could not create direct3d device" and the install fails.
All the DxDiag test works fine.
Haven't had any luck, as yet, of solving that one either.



>>>
>>>
>>> "dave xnet" <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:kq7l741c11mg0sjc50e2ujabtjhpkd343d@4ax.com...
>>>> Hello,
>>>> my old voodoo 3 2000 video card died, so I threw iin a
>>>> Radeon vivo 7200 I had spare. In Windows 98, I'm running
>>>> Catalyst 3.1 (Omega version). The driver seems to be running fine.
>>>>
>>>> I have a VIA MVP3 MB, the 4in1 is installed, and I updated the
>>>> via cpu to agp bridge manually for good measure.
>>>>
>>>> In dxdiag, the AGP texture accelaration button is "greyed out"
>>>> and is apparently "not available". However, in the ATI advanced
>>>> settings/smartgart tab it shows AGP is operational at 1x.
>>>>
>>>> I installed 3dmark 2001 SE and it ran fine to completion. It confirms
>>>> AGP is active at 1x, but dxdiag still has the greyed out button.
>>>>
>>>> What is the status of AGP on this system ?
>Glee,
>thanks for the info. I had tried Catalyst 4.1 earlier, but the
>results were the same. Regarding newer versions, I was never able
>to get it to even install properly, so I gave up.
>
>Cat 3.1 was recommended to me in a forum so I gave it a try.
>Agp 2x was selectable in the Smartgart tab, but upon reboot,
>AGP was inactive. AGP 1x stuck, so I left it like it is
>for now. But the whole thing is suspicious, as you say.
>
>Regarding the Via Gart, earlier versions of the 4in1 driver installed
>viagart.vxd, but I didn't get anywhere with that. New Hyperion driver
>for Via installs viaagp1.sys for 98se, and that's what I'm testing
>with now.
>
>All the registry entries that I'm aware of seem OK.
>Thanks for you links, I digest them in the next few days or so.
>Dave

 

[Dan]

I currently use a dual-boot with 98 Second Edition and XP Professional on 2
hard drives. My video card is an ATI 9800 XT. Can you give me more
specifics about your system and whether you use BING or not to hide the 2
operating systems from each other. In addition, have you tried sending a
report to ATI for service on your video card? Have you tried Googling the
information?

"dave xnet" wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:09:19 -0700, dave xnet
> <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:23:14 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Additionally, see if any of this is helpful:
> >>
> >>Testing DirectDraw, Direct3d AGP Texture Acceleration - MSDN Forums
> >>http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1662085&SiteID=1
> >>
> >>How can I get AGP Texture Acceleration?
> >>http://www.pcuser.com.au/pcuser/hs2.nsf/web/71C3DE07F9D6CA9DCA2570810010FF4B
> >>
> >>Dxdiag.exe Does Not Report AGP Texture Acceleration
> >>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/810772
> >>
> >>Graphics - AGP Texture Acceleration shows as "Not Available"
> >>http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-009689.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >>news:OiUwIDX5IHA.4776@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >>> AGP 1x? That does not sound right, for a Radeon Vivo 7200, which AFAIK is in a
> >>> generation of video card much newer than what would be only AGP 1x.
> >>>
> >>> Start by checking your AGP-related BIOS settings. Is there a setting to enable
> >>> AGP 2x or 4x? What is the AGP Aperture set at?
> >>>
> >>> Also, is the Catalyst 3.1 the latest driver you can use in Win98SE for that card?
> >>> I thought it would use something in the 4x family of drivers, or even newer. The
> >>> ATi support site shows 6.x drivers for that card, for 98SE (using supported ME
> >>> drivers).
>
> Unfortunately, did not glean anything further from those articles.
> I did manage to set AGP to 2x in the driver
> settings/advanced/smartgart tab and it stuck.
>
> My 3d mark 2001 score went from 1245 (1x) to 1276 (2x)
> But the texture button in dxdiag is still greyed out.
>
> I have dual boot win2k on this same box, the texture
> button is working,and acceleration is enabled.
> But when I go to install 3dmark 2001 I get the message
> "could not create direct3d device" and the install fails.
> All the DxDiag test works fine.
> Haven't had any luck, as yet, of solving that one either.
>
>
>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "dave xnet" <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:kq7l741c11mg0sjc50e2ujabtjhpkd343d@4ax.com...
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>> my old voodoo 3 2000 video card died, so I threw iin a
> >>>> Radeon vivo 7200 I had spare. In Windows 98, I'm running
> >>>> Catalyst 3.1 (Omega version). The driver seems to be running fine.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a VIA MVP3 MB, the 4in1 is installed, and I updated the
> >>>> via cpu to agp bridge manually for good measure.
> >>>>
> >>>> In dxdiag, the AGP texture accelaration button is "greyed out"
> >>>> and is apparently "not available". However, in the ATI advanced
> >>>> settings/smartgart tab it shows AGP is operational at 1x.
> >>>>
> >>>> I installed 3dmark 2001 SE and it ran fine to completion. It confirms
> >>>> AGP is active at 1x, but dxdiag still has the greyed out button.
> >>>>
> >>>> What is the status of AGP on this system ?
> >Glee,
> >thanks for the info. I had tried Catalyst 4.1 earlier, but the
> >results were the same. Regarding newer versions, I was never able
> >to get it to even install properly, so I gave up.
> >
> >Cat 3.1 was recommended to me in a forum so I gave it a try.
> >Agp 2x was selectable in the Smartgart tab, but upon reboot,
> >AGP was inactive. AGP 1x stuck, so I left it like it is
> >for now. But the whole thing is suspicious, as you say.
> >
> >Regarding the Via Gart, earlier versions of the 4in1 driver installed
> >viagart.vxd, but I didn't get anywhere with that. New Hyperion driver
> >for Via installs viaagp1.sys for 98se, and that's what I'm testing
> >with now.
> >
> >All the registry entries that I'm aware of seem OK.
> >Thanks for you links, I digest them in the next few days or so.
> >Dave
>

 

[dave xnet]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:11:00 -0700, Dan
<Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I currently use a dual-boot with 98 Second Edition and XP Professional on 2
>hard drives. My video card is an ATI 9800 XT. Can you give me more
>specifics about your system and whether you use BING or not to hide the 2
>operating systems from each other. In addition, have you tried sending a
>report to ATI for service on your video card? Have you tried Googling the
>information?

I have 2 harddrives also. Win98se and win2k live on the first
(master) and a couple of data partitons on the second(slave)

I'm not using any third party boot loader. I had 98se
installed first, in a 15GB primary partition.
The rest of the space was a couple of logical drives.
(i's only a 40 GB drive).

I cleared one of the logical drives and installed win2k into
it, and of course, win2k installs it's own boot loader
and adds win98 to the menu. Works great.

Both OS' can access all drives, except that 98se
can't access win2k's small partition (4GB) -
because I made it NTFS. None of the partitons
are "hidden", because I stuck to the one primary
partiton per drive rule.

I opened two reports to ATI but didn't get anywhere.
They just regurgitate the same thing about being sure
to install the motherboard drivers/Dx/video drivers in the
right order, etc.





>
>"dave xnet" wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:09:19 -0700, dave xnet
>> <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:23:14 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>Additionally, see if any of this is helpful:
>> >>
>> >>Testing DirectDraw, Direct3d AGP Texture Acceleration - MSDN Forums
>> >>http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1662085&SiteID=1
>> >>
>> >>How can I get AGP Texture Acceleration?
>> >>http://www.pcuser.com.au/pcuser/hs2.nsf/web/71C3DE07F9D6CA9DCA2570810010FF4B
>> >>
>> >>Dxdiag.exe Does Not Report AGP Texture Acceleration
>> >>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/810772
>> >>
>> >>Graphics - AGP Texture Acceleration shows as "Not Available"
>> >>http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-009689.htm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:OiUwIDX5IHA.4776@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >>> AGP 1x? That does not sound right, for a Radeon Vivo 7200, which AFAIK is in a
>> >>> generation of video card much newer than what would be only AGP 1x.
>> >>>
>> >>> Start by checking your AGP-related BIOS settings. Is there a setting to enable
>> >>> AGP 2x or 4x? What is the AGP Aperture set at?
>> >>>
>> >>> Also, is the Catalyst 3.1 the latest driver you can use in Win98SE for that card?
>> >>> I thought it would use something in the 4x family of drivers, or even newer. The
>> >>> ATi support site shows 6.x drivers for that card, for 98SE (using supported ME
>> >>> drivers).
>>
>> Unfortunately, did not glean anything further from those articles.
>> I did manage to set AGP to 2x in the driver
>> settings/advanced/smartgart tab and it stuck.
>>
>> My 3d mark 2001 score went from 1245 (1x) to 1276 (2x)
>> But the texture button in dxdiag is still greyed out.
>>
>> I have dual boot win2k on this same box, the texture
>> button is working,and acceleration is enabled.
>> But when I go to install 3dmark 2001 I get the message
>> "could not create direct3d device" and the install fails.
>> All the DxDiag test works fine.
>> Haven't had any luck, as yet, of solving that one either.
>>
>>
>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "dave xnet" <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:kq7l741c11mg0sjc50e2ujabtjhpkd343d@4ax.com...
>> >>>> Hello,
>> >>>> my old voodoo 3 2000 video card died, so I threw iin a
>> >>>> Radeon vivo 7200 I had spare. In Windows 98, I'm running
>> >>>> Catalyst 3.1 (Omega version). The driver seems to be running fine.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have a VIA MVP3 MB, the 4in1 is installed, and I updated the
>> >>>> via cpu to agp bridge manually for good measure.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In dxdiag, the AGP texture accelaration button is "greyed out"
>> >>>> and is apparently "not available". However, in the ATI advanced
>> >>>> settings/smartgart tab it shows AGP is operational at 1x.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I installed 3dmark 2001 SE and it ran fine to completion. It confirms
>> >>>> AGP is active at 1x, but dxdiag still has the greyed out button.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What is the status of AGP on this system ?
>> >Glee,
>> >thanks for the info. I had tried Catalyst 4.1 earlier, but the
>> >results were the same. Regarding newer versions, I was never able
>> >to get it to even install properly, so I gave up.
>> >
>> >Cat 3.1 was recommended to me in a forum so I gave it a try.
>> >Agp 2x was selectable in the Smartgart tab, but upon reboot,
>> >AGP was inactive. AGP 1x stuck, so I left it like it is
>> >for now. But the whole thing is suspicious, as you say.
>> >
>> >Regarding the Via Gart, earlier versions of the 4in1 driver installed
>> >viagart.vxd, but I didn't get anywhere with that. New Hyperion driver
>> >for Via installs viaagp1.sys for 98se, and that's what I'm testing
>> >with now.
>> >
>> >All the registry entries that I'm aware of seem OK.
>> >Thanks for you links, I digest them in the next few days or so.
>> >Dave
>>

 

[Dan]

Okay, in your add/remove area how many instances of ATI drivers and
associated stuff do you have? In addition, have you tried removing all of
the ATI stuff and then install the latest Windows ME (it will work in 98
Second Edition) driver(s) for ATI on Windows 98 Second Edition after
everything has been removed so that you have a clean install of the ATI
driver(s). Also, please make sure you install a custom install and only
install what you need. Please let me know what the full package gives you to
install after you have downloaded from ATI the latest full driver package and
begin the install process.

You sound like you know what you are doing so I know you will post back and
let me know how it is going. ATI like Creative and others has a bad tendency
of pushing unneeded junk on a computer user unless they do a custom install
which all of my installs have become nowadays. I don't know about Nvidia but
it certainly wouldn't surprise me if they did the same thing. The reason I
don't like Nvidia cards is that I got burned once with one by it completely
trashing my computer when I was upgrading from an older 3dfx card --- I think
it was a Voodoo series graphics card.

"dave xnet" wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:11:00 -0700, Dan
> <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >I currently use a dual-boot with 98 Second Edition and XP Professional on 2
> >hard drives. My video card is an ATI 9800 XT. Can you give me more
> >specifics about your system and whether you use BING or not to hide the 2
> >operating systems from each other. In addition, have you tried sending a
> >report to ATI for service on your video card? Have you tried Googling the
> >information?
>
> I have 2 harddrives also. Win98se and win2k live on the first
> (master) and a couple of data partitons on the second(slave)
>
> I'm not using any third party boot loader. I had 98se
> installed first, in a 15GB primary partition.
> The rest of the space was a couple of logical drives.
> (i's only a 40 GB drive).
>
> I cleared one of the logical drives and installed win2k into
> it, and of course, win2k installs it's own boot loader
> and adds win98 to the menu. Works great.
>
> Both OS' can access all drives, except that 98se
> can't access win2k's small partition (4GB) -
> because I made it NTFS. None of the partitons
> are "hidden", because I stuck to the one primary
> partiton per drive rule.
>
> I opened two reports to ATI but didn't get anywhere.
> They just regurgitate the same thing about being sure
> to install the motherboard drivers/Dx/video drivers in the
> right order, etc.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> >"dave xnet" wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:09:19 -0700, dave xnet
> >> <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:23:14 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Additionally, see if any of this is helpful:
> >> >>
> >> >>Testing DirectDraw, Direct3d AGP Texture Acceleration - MSDN Forums
> >> >>http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1662085&SiteID=1
> >> >>
> >> >>How can I get AGP Texture Acceleration?
> >> >>http://www.pcuser.com.au/pcuser/hs2.nsf/web/71C3DE07F9D6CA9DCA2570810010FF4B
> >> >>
> >> >>Dxdiag.exe Does Not Report AGP Texture Acceleration
> >> >>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/810772
> >> >>
> >> >>Graphics - AGP Texture Acceleration shows as "Not Available"
> >> >>http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-009689.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> >>news:OiUwIDX5IHA.4776@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >>> AGP 1x? That does not sound right, for a Radeon Vivo 7200, which AFAIK is in a
> >> >>> generation of video card much newer than what would be only AGP 1x.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Start by checking your AGP-related BIOS settings. Is there a setting to enable
> >> >>> AGP 2x or 4x? What is the AGP Aperture set at?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Also, is the Catalyst 3.1 the latest driver you can use in Win98SE for that card?
> >> >>> I thought it would use something in the 4x family of drivers, or even newer. The
> >> >>> ATi support site shows 6.x drivers for that card, for 98SE (using supported ME
> >> >>> drivers).
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, did not glean anything further from those articles.
> >> I did manage to set AGP to 2x in the driver
> >> settings/advanced/smartgart tab and it stuck.
> >>
> >> My 3d mark 2001 score went from 1245 (1x) to 1276 (2x)
> >> But the texture button in dxdiag is still greyed out.
> >>
> >> I have dual boot win2k on this same box, the texture
> >> button is working,and acceleration is enabled.
> >> But when I go to install 3dmark 2001 I get the message
> >> "could not create direct3d device" and the install fails.
> >> All the DxDiag test works fine.
> >> Haven't had any luck, as yet, of solving that one either.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "dave xnet" <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:kq7l741c11mg0sjc50e2ujabtjhpkd343d@4ax.com...
> >> >>>> Hello,
> >> >>>> my old voodoo 3 2000 video card died, so I threw iin a
> >> >>>> Radeon vivo 7200 I had spare. In Windows 98, I'm running
> >> >>>> Catalyst 3.1 (Omega version). The driver seems to be running fine.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I have a VIA MVP3 MB, the 4in1 is installed, and I updated the
> >> >>>> via cpu to agp bridge manually for good measure.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> In dxdiag, the AGP texture accelaration button is "greyed out"
> >> >>>> and is apparently "not available". However, in the ATI advanced
> >> >>>> settings/smartgart tab it shows AGP is operational at 1x.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I installed 3dmark 2001 SE and it ran fine to completion. It confirms
> >> >>>> AGP is active at 1x, but dxdiag still has the greyed out button.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> What is the status of AGP on this system ?
> >> >Glee,
> >> >thanks for the info. I had tried Catalyst 4.1 earlier, but the
> >> >results were the same. Regarding newer versions, I was never able
> >> >to get it to even install properly, so I gave up.
> >> >
> >> >Cat 3.1 was recommended to me in a forum so I gave it a try.
> >> >Agp 2x was selectable in the Smartgart tab, but upon reboot,
> >> >AGP was inactive. AGP 1x stuck, so I left it like it is
> >> >for now. But the whole thing is suspicious, as you say.
> >> >
> >> >Regarding the Via Gart, earlier versions of the 4in1 driver installed
> >> >viagart.vxd, but I didn't get anywhere with that. New Hyperion driver
> >> >for Via installs viaagp1.sys for 98se, and that's what I'm testing
> >> >with now.
> >> >
> >> >All the registry entries that I'm aware of seem OK.
> >> >Thanks for you links, I digest them in the next few days or so.
> >> >Dave
> >>
>

 

[dave xnet]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:55:00 -0700, Dan
<Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Okay, in your add/remove area how many instances of ATI drivers and
>associated stuff do you have? In addition, have you tried removing all of
>the ATI stuff and then install the latest Windows ME (it will work in 98
>Second Edition) driver(s) for ATI on Windows 98 Second Edition after
>everything has been removed so that you have a clean install of the ATI
>driver(s). Also, please make sure you install a custom install and only
>install what you need. Please let me know what the full package gives you to
>install after you have downloaded from ATI the latest full driver package and
>begin the install process.
>
>You sound like you know what you are doing so I know you will post back and
>let me know how it is going. ATI like Creative and others has a bad tendency
>of pushing unneeded junk on a computer user unless they do a custom install
>which all of my installs have become nowadays. I don't know about Nvidia but
>it certainly wouldn't surprise me if they did the same thing. The reason I
>don't like Nvidia cards is that I got burned once with one by it completely
>trashing my computer when I was upgrading from an older 3dfx card --- I think
>it was a Voodoo series graphics card.

I'm not going to bother with it until I can find a method of backing
up the partition. I'm sure I tried the latest Catalyst driver when I
physically put the card in the machine. I couldn't get it to work at
all in 98se. It installed, but upon restart one of the startup files
was crashing. May have been Smartgart check?
Needless to say, I got rid of it and turned to the older drivers.
In the older drivers, there is no junk installed, it's just the
driver.
Not sure about the newer versions. Are you talking about extras
such as the Google Toolbar ?



>
>"dave xnet" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:11:00 -0700, Dan
>> <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I currently use a dual-boot with 98 Second Edition and XP Professional on 2
>> >hard drives. My video card is an ATI 9800 XT. Can you give me more
>> >specifics about your system and whether you use BING or not to hide the 2
>> >operating systems from each other. In addition, have you tried sending a
>> >report to ATI for service on your video card? Have you tried Googling the
>> >information?
>>
>> I have 2 harddrives also. Win98se and win2k live on the first
>> (master) and a couple of data partitons on the second(slave)
>>
>> I'm not using any third party boot loader. I had 98se
>> installed first, in a 15GB primary partition.
>> The rest of the space was a couple of logical drives.
>> (i's only a 40 GB drive).
>>
>> I cleared one of the logical drives and installed win2k into
>> it, and of course, win2k installs it's own boot loader
>> and adds win98 to the menu. Works great.
>>
>> Both OS' can access all drives, except that 98se
>> can't access win2k's small partition (4GB) -
>> because I made it NTFS. None of the partitons
>> are "hidden", because I stuck to the one primary
>> partiton per drive rule.
>>
>> I opened two reports to ATI but didn't get anywhere.
>> They just regurgitate the same thing about being sure
>> to install the motherboard drivers/Dx/video drivers in the
>> right order, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >"dave xnet" wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:09:19 -0700, dave xnet
>> >> <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:23:14 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>Additionally, see if any of this is helpful:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Testing DirectDraw, Direct3d AGP Texture Acceleration - MSDN Forums
>> >> >>http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1662085&SiteID=1
>> >> >>
>> >> >>How can I get AGP Texture Acceleration?
>> >> >>http://www.pcuser.com.au/pcuser/hs2.nsf/web/71C3DE07F9D6CA9DCA2570810010FF4B
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Dxdiag.exe Does Not Report AGP Texture Acceleration
>> >> >>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/810772
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Graphics - AGP Texture Acceleration shows as "Not Available"
>> >> >>http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-009689.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>news:OiUwIDX5IHA.4776@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >>> AGP 1x? That does not sound right, for a Radeon Vivo 7200, which AFAIK is in a
>> >> >>> generation of video card much newer than what would be only AGP 1x.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Start by checking your AGP-related BIOS settings. Is there a setting to enable
>> >> >>> AGP 2x or 4x? What is the AGP Aperture set at?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Also, is the Catalyst 3.1 the latest driver you can use in Win98SE for that card?
>> >> >>> I thought it would use something in the 4x family of drivers, or even newer. The
>> >> >>> ATi support site shows 6.x drivers for that card, for 98SE (using supported ME
>> >> >>> drivers).
>> >>
>> >> Unfortunately, did not glean anything further from those articles.
>> >> I did manage to set AGP to 2x in the driver
>> >> settings/advanced/smartgart tab and it stuck.
>> >>
>> >> My 3d mark 2001 score went from 1245 (1x) to 1276 (2x)
>> >> But the texture button in dxdiag is still greyed out.
>> >>
>> >> I have dual boot win2k on this same box, the texture
>> >> button is working,and acceleration is enabled.
>> >> But when I go to install 3dmark 2001 I get the message
>> >> "could not create direct3d device" and the install fails.
>> >> All the DxDiag test works fine.
>> >> Haven't had any luck, as yet, of solving that one either.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "dave xnet" <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>> news:kq7l741c11mg0sjc50e2ujabtjhpkd343d@4ax.com...
>> >> >>>> Hello,
>> >> >>>> my old voodoo 3 2000 video card died, so I threw iin a
>> >> >>>> Radeon vivo 7200 I had spare. In Windows 98, I'm running
>> >> >>>> Catalyst 3.1 (Omega version). The driver seems to be running fine.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I have a VIA MVP3 MB, the 4in1 is installed, and I updated the
>> >> >>>> via cpu to agp bridge manually for good measure.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> In dxdiag, the AGP texture accelaration button is "greyed out"
>> >> >>>> and is apparently "not available". However, in the ATI advanced
>> >> >>>> settings/smartgart tab it shows AGP is operational at 1x.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I installed 3dmark 2001 SE and it ran fine to completion. It confirms
>> >> >>>> AGP is active at 1x, but dxdiag still has the greyed out button.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> What is the status of AGP on this system ?
>> >> >Glee,
>> >> >thanks for the info. I had tried Catalyst 4.1 earlier, but the
>> >> >results were the same. Regarding newer versions, I was never able
>> >> >to get it to even install properly, so I gave up.
>> >> >
>> >> >Cat 3.1 was recommended to me in a forum so I gave it a try.
>> >> >Agp 2x was selectable in the Smartgart tab, but upon reboot,
>> >> >AGP was inactive. AGP 1x stuck, so I left it like it is
>> >> >for now. But the whole thing is suspicious, as you say.
>> >> >
>> >> >Regarding the Via Gart, earlier versions of the 4in1 driver installed
>> >> >viagart.vxd, but I didn't get anywhere with that. New Hyperion driver
>> >> >for Via installs viaagp1.sys for 98se, and that's what I'm testing
>> >> >with now.
>> >> >
>> >> >All the registry entries that I'm aware of seem OK.
>> >> >Thanks for you links, I digest them in the next few days or so.
>> >> >Dave
>> >>
>>

 

[Dan]

Indeed, extras that are now common with drivers but did not used to be so
common. Unfortunately, nowadays it seems you need to customize everything
and then check your add/remove programs in your pc to see if anything extra
did get installed that you did not want. For example, I like my 2nd
generation Ipod Mini with 6 Gigabytes but Apple insists on tying Itunes with
Quicktime although Quicktime seems to have too many security vulnerabilities.
I asked Apple about this and they arrogantly refused to seperate the two
programs. The second thing that I don't like about Apple is the proprietary
hardware unlike a PC that you can fully customize. The advantages of Apple
is good stores in my opinion and a good presentation and a solution in a box
with a disadvantage of paying a huge premium for the technology. Just my two
cents.

Anyway, please give me all the specifications of your PC especially
motherboard, CPU, hard drive, etc. The memory is important because if you
have over 512 megabytes and the video card has another let us say 256
megabytes then you are talking about over 768 megabytes of ram and Windows 98
Second Edition chokes on more than 512 megabytes of ram. I think it can only
address a maximum of 511 megabytes compared to XP 32 bit which can address
between 3-4 gigabytes if I am not mistaken. In 98 Second Edition once you go
over 1 gigabyte total memory then you are asking for problems and may even
have to lower your ram to have a functional 98 Second Edition machine if the
memory management strategies do not work but they are certainly worth trying.
It makes sense becase back in the day, Windows 98 SE did not need so much
memory for programs. In addition, make sure you have the patch from
Microsoft for faster processors over 2.1 Ghz.


http://www.winsupportcenter.org/win4/a/memmgmt.php

"dave xnet" wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:55:00 -0700, Dan
> <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Okay, in your add/remove area how many instances of ATI drivers and
> >associated stuff do you have? In addition, have you tried removing all of
> >the ATI stuff and then install the latest Windows ME (it will work in 98
> >Second Edition) driver(s) for ATI on Windows 98 Second Edition after
> >everything has been removed so that you have a clean install of the ATI
> >driver(s). Also, please make sure you install a custom install and only
> >install what you need. Please let me know what the full package gives you to
> >install after you have downloaded from ATI the latest full driver package and
> >begin the install process.
> >
> >You sound like you know what you are doing so I know you will post back and
> >let me know how it is going. ATI like Creative and others has a bad tendency
> >of pushing unneeded junk on a computer user unless they do a custom install
> >which all of my installs have become nowadays. I don't know about Nvidia but
> >it certainly wouldn't surprise me if they did the same thing. The reason I
> >don't like Nvidia cards is that I got burned once with one by it completely
> >trashing my computer when I was upgrading from an older 3dfx card --- I think
> >it was a Voodoo series graphics card.
>
> I'm not going to bother with it until I can find a method of backing
> up the partition. I'm sure I tried the latest Catalyst driver when I
> physically put the card in the machine. I couldn't get it to work at
> all in 98se. It installed, but upon restart one of the startup files
> was crashing. May have been Smartgart check?
> Needless to say, I got rid of it and turned to the older drivers.
> In the older drivers, there is no junk installed, it's just the
> driver.
> Not sure about the newer versions. Are you talking about extras
> such as the Google Toolbar ?
>
>
>
> >
> >"dave xnet" wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:11:00 -0700, Dan
> >> <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I currently use a dual-boot with 98 Second Edition and XP Professional on 2
> >> >hard drives. My video card is an ATI 9800 XT. Can you give me more
> >> >specifics about your system and whether you use BING or not to hide the 2
> >> >operating systems from each other. In addition, have you tried sending a
> >> >report to ATI for service on your video card? Have you tried Googling the
> >> >information?
> >>
> >> I have 2 harddrives also. Win98se and win2k live on the first
> >> (master) and a couple of data partitons on the second(slave)
> >>
> >> I'm not using any third party boot loader. I had 98se
> >> installed first, in a 15GB primary partition.
> >> The rest of the space was a couple of logical drives.
> >> (i's only a 40 GB drive).
> >>
> >> I cleared one of the logical drives and installed win2k into
> >> it, and of course, win2k installs it's own boot loader
> >> and adds win98 to the menu. Works great.
> >>
> >> Both OS' can access all drives, except that 98se
> >> can't access win2k's small partition (4GB) -
> >> because I made it NTFS. None of the partitons
> >> are "hidden", because I stuck to the one primary
> >> partiton per drive rule.
> >>
> >> I opened two reports to ATI but didn't get anywhere.
> >> They just regurgitate the same thing about being sure
> >> to install the motherboard drivers/Dx/video drivers in the
> >> right order, etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"dave xnet" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:09:19 -0700, dave xnet
> >> >> <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:23:14 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Additionally, see if any of this is helpful:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Testing DirectDraw, Direct3d AGP Texture Acceleration - MSDN Forums
> >> >> >>http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1662085&SiteID=1
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>How can I get AGP Texture Acceleration?
> >> >> >>http://www.pcuser.com.au/pcuser/hs2.nsf/web/71C3DE07F9D6CA9DCA2570810010FF4B
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Dxdiag.exe Does Not Report AGP Texture Acceleration
> >> >> >>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/810772
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Graphics - AGP Texture Acceleration shows as "Not Available"
> >> >> >>http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-009689.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>news:OiUwIDX5IHA.4776@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >>> AGP 1x? That does not sound right, for a Radeon Vivo 7200, which AFAIK is in a
> >> >> >>> generation of video card much newer than what would be only AGP 1x.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Start by checking your AGP-related BIOS settings. Is there a setting to enable
> >> >> >>> AGP 2x or 4x? What is the AGP Aperture set at?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Also, is the Catalyst 3.1 the latest driver you can use in Win98SE for that card?
> >> >> >>> I thought it would use something in the 4x family of drivers, or even newer. The
> >> >> >>> ATi support site shows 6.x drivers for that card, for 98SE (using supported ME
> >> >> >>> drivers).
> >> >>
> >> >> Unfortunately, did not glean anything further from those articles.
> >> >> I did manage to set AGP to 2x in the driver
> >> >> settings/advanced/smartgart tab and it stuck.
> >> >>
> >> >> My 3d mark 2001 score went from 1245 (1x) to 1276 (2x)
> >> >> But the texture button in dxdiag is still greyed out.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have dual boot win2k on this same box, the texture
> >> >> button is working,and acceleration is enabled.
> >> >> But when I go to install 3dmark 2001 I get the message
> >> >> "could not create direct3d device" and the install fails.
> >> >> All the DxDiag test works fine.
> >> >> Haven't had any luck, as yet, of solving that one either.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> "dave xnet" <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>> news:kq7l741c11mg0sjc50e2ujabtjhpkd343d@4ax.com...
> >> >> >>>> Hello,
> >> >> >>>> my old voodoo 3 2000 video card died, so I threw iin a
> >> >> >>>> Radeon vivo 7200 I had spare. In Windows 98, I'm running
> >> >> >>>> Catalyst 3.1 (Omega version). The driver seems to be running fine.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> I have a VIA MVP3 MB, the 4in1 is installed, and I updated the
> >> >> >>>> via cpu to agp bridge manually for good measure.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> In dxdiag, the AGP texture accelaration button is "greyed out"
> >> >> >>>> and is apparently "not available". However, in the ATI advanced
> >> >> >>>> settings/smartgart tab it shows AGP is operational at 1x.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> I installed 3dmark 2001 SE and it ran fine to completion. It confirms
> >> >> >>>> AGP is active at 1x, but dxdiag still has the greyed out button.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> What is the status of AGP on this system ?
> >> >> >Glee,
> >> >> >thanks for the info. I had tried Catalyst 4.1 earlier, but the
> >> >> >results were the same. Regarding newer versions, I was never able
> >> >> >to get it to even install properly, so I gave up.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Cat 3.1 was recommended to me in a forum so I gave it a try.
> >> >> >Agp 2x was selectable in the Smartgart tab, but upon reboot,
> >> >> >AGP was inactive. AGP 1x stuck, so I left it like it is
> >> >> >for now. But the whole thing is suspicious, as you say.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Regarding the Via Gart, earlier versions of the 4in1 driver installed
> >> >> >viagart.vxd, but I didn't get anywhere with that. New Hyperion driver
> >> >> >for Via installs viaagp1.sys for 98se, and that's what I'm testing
> >> >> >with now.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >All the registry entries that I'm aware of seem OK.
> >> >> >Thanks for you links, I digest them in the next few days or so.
> >> >> >Dave
> >> >>
> >>
>