Re: Windows Vista vs Ubuntu Hardy Heron

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:39:35 -0400, DFS wrote:

> ml2mst wrote:
>
>> No matter what DFS
>
> Show me a single lie, dumbshit.
>
>
>> and his fellow liars want to make you believe, I
>> declare the Acer Aspire 7220 "Linux ready".
>
> Acer recommends Vista Home Premium for the Aspire 7220
> http://global.acer.com/PRODUCTS/notebook/as7220.htm
>
>
> You can declare anything you want, but based on the incredible hassles with
> Aspires, Linux seems to not be ready for them:
> http://www.debianhelp.org/node/12856
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=740438&highlight=Aspire+7220
>
> The Ubuntu forums alone have 250 problem threads relating to Acer Aspire
> laptops
> http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=44868830
>
> So isn't it a fact that Linux - with it's crappy hardware recognition, poor
> wireless support, poor power management support - isn't ready for any
> laptop?

Reading all that brings tears to my eyes?
Why on earth would people punish themselves with garbage like Linux?

Leave Linux on the geek servers where it belongs.

Linux is just not ready for the desktop because there are far too many
hassles.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

 

[Arse Cork OK]

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:38:35 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

> Linux is just not ready for the desktop because there are far too many
> hassles.

It does take some intelligence to use it - perhaps that is where you have
been having trouble?

 

[Linonut]

* Arse Cork OK peremptorily fired off this memo:

> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:38:35 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>> Linux is just not ready for the desktop because there are far too many
>> hassles.
>
> It does take some intelligence to use it - perhaps that is where you have
> been having trouble?

The "problem" with Linux for most average consumers?

1. It isn't preloaded, and certainly not under the auspices of a
monopolistic software vendor.

2. It isn't an exact clone of Windows.

The second "problem" isn't all that big of one, however, since most
people really don't grok Windows all that well, either.

--
There is no doubt that my lawyer is honest. For example, when he
filed his income tax return last year, he declared half of his salary
as 'unearned income.'
-- Michael Lara

 

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:06:02 -0400, Linonut wrote:

> * Arse Cork OK peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:38:35 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>> Linux is just not ready for the desktop because there are far too many
>>> hassles.
>>
>> It does take some intelligence to use it - perhaps that is where you have
>> been having trouble?
>
> The "problem" with Linux for most average consumers?
>
> 1. It isn't preloaded, and certainly not under the auspices of a
> monopolistic software vendor.

Except that you can buy a Mac.
Always can/could in fact.


> 2. It isn't an exact clone of Windows.

Somewhat true, but it goes far deeper.


> The second "problem" isn't all that big of one, however, since most
> people really don't grok Windows all that well, either.

Adding hardware is a crap shoot.
Interfacing with the Windows computers at the office is dubious at best.
Getting plugins in browsers to work is a mess.
Using CBT software from your job or school is impossible.
Getting help is tough unless you know where to look. Hint: very few people
even know USENET exists. Seriously.
Sound is a mess.
No iTunes store, and this is a huge one..... (not for me though).
All these online stockbroker, lose weight, exercise videos, how to make a
million dollars in real estate etc DVD courses will not work. This is big
as well . Of course the people making the real money are the people selling
them.
Those gadgets sold on TV won't work, like that X-Jack phone thingie you
plug in and can make pretty much free VOIP calls.
i forget it's name.

As silly as much of the above may sound to the geeks in this group, myself
included, THIS is preciously the kind of stuff that is holding Linux back.

Then you have kids going away to college.
Can you imagine the frustration when a kid, now far away from home, having
to live on her own with all the stress of college also has to adapt her
Linux based laptop to the classes and software that the rest of the school
is running?
Sure, it *may* work fine.
But then again it *might* not.

So why take the risk?
Universities sell pre-loaded Windows/Mac laptops that are ready to go and
include everything needed so that the student can focus on her education
instead of shoe horning a square peg (linux) into a round hole (Windows)..

With the discounts students get on these things it just is not worth it to
screw with free Linux unless the school completely supports it and that
includes every class the student attends, not just to get on the school
network and use BlackBoard etc.

Yes some Universities support Linux, that's a good thing IMHO but the
majority do not.

These are real life incidents that are just the tip of the iceberg when it
comes to the question "why Linux is being ignored".




--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

 

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Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

|Reading all that brings tears to my eyes?
|Why on earth would people punish themselves with garbage like Linux?
|
|Leave Linux on the geek servers where it belongs.
|
|Linux is just not ready for the desktop because there are far too many
|hassles.

I do not understand all the drama. It's matter os an OS, something
which enables us to do stuff on a computer. There's nothing geeky or
wrong with the latest popular Linux distributions like Ubuntu and
PCLinuxOS. They install without major problems and does what most
people need done. There's still some lag with regards to drivers for
some devices, but even that's getting better.

I ran Linux back in the last Millenium. Now, that was a challenge.
Especially to install was time consuming and frustrating. But when it
ran, it ran. Now install of for instance PCLinuxOS is faster than
Windows Vista even if Vista is previously installed.

And then there's Vista. I relly like Vista a lot. It simply works for
me. I have both Linux and Vista on my laptop. I use what I think is
best and gets my job done most efficiently. Right now it's Vista. But!
There's a great but! If you computer is made before 2007 forget it. On
my old laptop I have PCLinuxOs. I tried Vista on it, but it won't run
well. And if I have to choose between XP and Linux, it'll be Linux.

Sorry for not being a fanboy either way!


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[Bruce Sinclair]

In article <48837e40$0$26077$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, Arse Cork OK <Thunderbird@Hardy.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:38:35 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>> Linux is just not ready for the desktop because there are far too many
>> hassles.
>
>It does take some intelligence to use it - perhaps that is where you have
>been having trouble?

I'm not that smart and I have no problems with linux I haven't been able to
fix (often with help admittedly). Where's the problem ?.

 

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Bruce Sinclair wrote:

|I'm not that smart and I have no problems with linux I haven't been
|able to fix (often with help admittedly). Where's the problem ?.

Exactly! Why all this wasted passion around these issues? I mean, I
spend hours with the free MS support to fix Windows Update which
refused to install certain updates. Their final answer was "reinstall
Windows". Even that didn't bring anything close to tears to my eyes
although I would have liked to shake the support rep who kept pasting
standard answers into e-mails he sent me without having a clue what it
was all about. I have never had to reinstall Linux, but I have spent
time getting my wireless card to work.

But I like Vista, and use it now most of the time these days simply
since I am working contracts and legal documents which require MS Word.
No, OO doesn't work for these kind of things since formatting and
change tracking breaks.

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