Mike, Joan, Web and SS...

[jeanette]

hi again ppl.....

i replied to your replies to my post,,,, (the original ones that i Still cant see.. grrr),, and
it is now about 15 minutes or so since i did that.. (and i know one or two of you have clock time
thingys happening,, so i will be relying on you too to confirm.)
and i have refreshed a zillion times and cant even see my replies to your replies.
(boy,,,,,, now even i'm getting confused,, then again, i'm easily confused,, ha ha)

bottom line is,,,,, does anyone know why i cant see my posts in this group anymore? i have a
screenshot of exactly what i see right now.. (took it less than 30secs ago) complete with little
purple arrows confirming i have replied to something,,,,, does anyone want to see it, or have a
site i can post it on? not sure if that would help anyway,, just merely show what i am
saying.

i dont seem to have server problems else where,, if, of course it is a server problem.....

ta

J

 

[Alias]

jeanette wrote:
> hi again ppl.....
>
> i replied to your replies to my post,,,, (the original ones that i Still cant see.. grrr),, and
> it is now about 15 minutes or so since i did that.. (and i know one or two of you have clock time
> thingys happening,, so i will be relying on you too to confirm.)
> and i have refreshed a zillion times and cant even see my replies to your replies.
> (boy,,,,,, now even i'm getting confused,, then again, i'm easily confused,, ha ha)
>
> bottom line is,,,,, does anyone know why i cant see my posts in this group anymore? i have a
> screenshot of exactly what i see right now.. (took it less than 30secs ago) complete with little
> purple arrows confirming i have replied to something,,,,, does anyone want to see it, or have a
> site i can post it on? not sure if that would help anyway,, just merely show what i am
> saying.
>
> i dont seem to have server problems else where,, if, of course it is a server problem.....
>
> ta
>
> J
>
>

Try using the news server at www.motzarella.org You need to sign up for
it but it's free and carries a lot of newsgroups.

Alias

 

[jeanette]

> Try using the news server at www.motzarella.org You need to sign up for
> it but it's free and carries a lot of newsgroups.
>
> Alias

hello Alias.....

i am replying to your reply to me,,, (but i cant see what you are replying too,, which means that
it is now 24hrs + and the problem still seems to be there... hmmmm.)

yes, Alias, i could use something like motzarella,, or many others, but i have this very bad
habit that i cant seem to shake,,,, i Always use o/e when talking on the micro server..... the
real point being,, i have come to this group lots of times, and never had this problem b4 i
know,, i'll go swim around in some other groups on this server and see if it happens there too.
will report tomorrow.
oh,, and i certainly worded/said something wrong prior,,, i meant i use my isp's server to get
to this group.. damn, i'm getting tired again.(bluddy 'lym-pics, sigh)

J

 

[Mike M]

Since you are using Outlook Express and are posting direct to the
Microsoft news server the problem has to be at your end. Is it possible
that you might have accidentally set OE to block your posts - Tools |
Message Rules | Blocked Senders List? If so you will need to delete the
entry and reset the NGs. Alternatively have you perhaps set up a message
rule and instead of perhaps highlighting or colouring your posts it is
deleting them (Tools | Message Rules | News).

I don't think that changing server as suggested by Alias will do anything
to solve the problem unless you have a message rule causing the problem
and that it uses the news server as part of the rule. If this is the case
then it is probably simpler to correct the rule.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


jeanette <jeany@lostincyber.com> wrote:

> hi again ppl.....
>
> i replied to your replies to my post,,,, (the original ones that i
> Still cant see.. grrr),, and it is now about 15 minutes or so since
> i did that.. (and i know one or two of you have clock time thingys
> happening,, so i will be relying on you too to confirm.)
> and i have refreshed a zillion times and cant even see my replies to
> your replies. (boy,,,,,, now even i'm getting confused,, then
> again, i'm easily confused,, ha ha)
>
> bottom line is,,,,, does anyone know why i cant see my posts in
> this group anymore? i have a screenshot of exactly what i see right
> now.. (took it less than 30secs ago) complete with little purple
> arrows confirming i have replied to something,,,,, does anyone want
> to see it, or have a site i can post it on? not sure if that
> would help anyway,, just merely show what i am saying.
>
> i dont seem to have server problems else where,, if, of course
> it is a server problem.....
>
> ta
>
> J

 

[Heather]

Ahhh......thanks Mike. That is what I figured was happening but thought
I had better read all the answers to see if someone else thought so too.
I did it to myself once, lol.

And thanks re the version soup answer.....it was not something I paid a
great lot of attention to because I never would have reinstalled WinME
over itself. I think it is now toast.....said it couldn't find
"explorer.exe" the last time I tried to start it.

Cheers from the Pickle Lady......

I am gathering up the necessities for a 2-day bread & butter pickle
making spree, which can only happen one week in August. If I had to
sell them, you would be paying about $50/jar. But I have to admit they
are worth it!!!! (G)

"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:ezH9AMI$IHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Since you are using Outlook Express and are posting direct to the
> Microsoft news server the problem has to be at your end. Is it
> possible that you might have accidentally set OE to block your posts -
> Tools | Message Rules | Blocked Senders List? If so you will need to
> delete the entry and reset the NGs. Alternatively have you perhaps
> set up a message rule and instead of perhaps highlighting or colouring
> your posts it is deleting them (Tools | Message Rules | News).
>
> I don't think that changing server as suggested by Alias will do
> anything to solve the problem unless you have a message rule causing
> the problem and that it uses the news server as part of the rule. If
> this is the case then it is probably simpler to correct the rule.
> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> jeanette <jeany@lostincyber.com> wrote:
>
>> hi again ppl.....
>>
>> i replied to your replies to my post,,,, (the original ones that i
>> Still cant see.. grrr),, and it is now about 15 minutes or so since
>> i did that.. (and i know one or two of you have clock time thingys
>> happening,, so i will be relying on you too to confirm.)
>> and i have refreshed a zillion times and cant even see my replies to
>> your replies. (boy,,,,,, now even i'm getting confused,, then
>> again, i'm easily confused,, ha ha)
>>
>> bottom line is,,,,, does anyone know why i cant see my posts in
>> this group anymore? i have a screenshot of exactly what i see right
>> now.. (took it less than 30secs ago) complete with little purple
>> arrows confirming i have replied to something,,,,, does anyone want
>> to see it, or have a site i can post it on? not sure if that
>> would help anyway,, just merely show what i am saying.
>>
>> i dont seem to have server problems else where,, if, of course
>> it is a server problem.....
>>
>> ta
>>
>> J
>

 

[Mart]

Heather wrote :-

> Cheers from the Pickle Lady......

Ah! - In that case, I guess you must really be Pickle Lilly

Mart



"Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23qpAFnJ$IHA.872@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Ahhh......thanks Mike. That is what I figured was happening but thought I
> had better read all the answers to see if someone else thought so too. I
> did it to myself once, lol.
>
> And thanks re the version soup answer.....it was not something I paid a
> great lot of attention to because I never would have reinstalled WinME
> over itself. I think it is now toast.....said it couldn't find
> "explorer.exe" the last time I tried to start it.
>
> Cheers from the Pickle Lady......
>
> I am gathering up the necessities for a 2-day bread & butter pickle making
> spree, which can only happen one week in August. If I had to sell them,
> you would be paying about $50/jar. But I have to admit they are worth
> it!!!! (G)
>
> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> news:ezH9AMI$IHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Since you are using Outlook Express and are posting direct to the
>> Microsoft news server the problem has to be at your end. Is it possible
>> that you might have accidentally set OE to block your posts - Tools |
>> Message Rules | Blocked Senders List? If so you will need to delete the
>> entry and reset the NGs. Alternatively have you perhaps set up a message
>> rule and instead of perhaps highlighting or colouring your posts it is
>> deleting them (Tools | Message Rules | News).
>>
>> I don't think that changing server as suggested by Alias will do anything
>> to solve the problem unless you have a message rule causing the problem
>> and that it uses the news server as part of the rule. If this is the
>> case then it is probably simpler to correct the rule.
>> --
>> Mike Maltby
>> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> jeanette <jeany@lostincyber.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hi again ppl.....
>>>
>>> i replied to your replies to my post,,,, (the original ones that i
>>> Still cant see.. grrr),, and it is now about 15 minutes or so since
>>> i did that.. (and i know one or two of you have clock time thingys
>>> happening,, so i will be relying on you too to confirm.)
>>> and i have refreshed a zillion times and cant even see my replies to
>>> your replies. (boy,,,,,, now even i'm getting confused,, then
>>> again, i'm easily confused,, ha ha)
>>>
>>> bottom line is,,,,, does anyone know why i cant see my posts in
>>> this group anymore? i have a screenshot of exactly what i see right
>>> now.. (took it less than 30secs ago) complete with little purple
>>> arrows confirming i have replied to something,,,,, does anyone want
>>> to see it, or have a site i can post it on? not sure if that
>>> would help anyway,, just merely show what i am saying.
>>>
>>> i dont seem to have server problems else where,, if, of course
>>> it is a server problem.....
>>>
>>> ta
>>>
>>> J
>>
>
>

 

[Mike M]

Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:

> Heather wrote :-
>
>> Cheers from the Pickle Lady......
>
> Ah! - In that case, I guess you must really be Pickle Lilly

GROAN!

Mike

 

[Mart]

Positively relishing the thought of Heather's response.

OK.. OK

Mart


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:%23Q%23sVsK$IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>
>> Heather wrote :-
>>
>>> Cheers from the Pickle Lady......
>>
>> Ah! - In that case, I guess you must really be Pickle Lilly
>
> GROAN!
>
> Mike

 

[Heirloom]

That wasn't 'kosher', Mart.
Heirloom, old and sinkin' in the brine

"Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:Oi4165M$IHA.4156@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Positively relishing the thought of Heather's response.
>
> OK.. OK
>
> Mart
>
>
> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> news:%23Q%23sVsK$IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>>
>>> Heather wrote :-
>>>
>>>> Cheers from the Pickle Lady......
>>>
>>> Ah! - In that case, I guess you must really be Pickle Lilly
>>
>> GROAN!
>>
>> Mike
>
>

 

[Heather]

ROFL!! You guys are nuts!! Got all the stuff and unfortunately can't
send you a jar of them. Poor Elayne can't even take them on the
plane.....over 100 mls or whatever that metric thing is. (hate
metric....my recipe is in Imperial)

Kissies from Pickle Lilly.......

"Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:Oi4165M$IHA.4156@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Positively relishing the thought of Heather's response.
>
> OK.. OK
>
> Mart
>
>
> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> news:%23Q%23sVsK$IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>>
>>> Heather wrote :-
>>>
>>>> Cheers from the Pickle Lady......
>>>
>>> Ah! - In that case, I guess you must really be Pickle Lilly
>>
>> GROAN!
>>
>> Mike
>
>

 

[Heirloom]

I bet it is a 'Pickle Dilly Circus' at your house, Figgs.
Heirloom, old and pun intended

"Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:O4bXotO$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> ROFL!! You guys are nuts!! Got all the stuff and unfortunately can't
> send you a jar of them. Poor Elayne can't even take them on the
> plane.....over 100 mls or whatever that metric thing is. (hate
> metric....my recipe is in Imperial)
>
> Kissies from Pickle Lilly.......
>
> "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> news:Oi4165M$IHA.4156@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Positively relishing the thought of Heather's response.
>>
>> OK.. OK
>>
>> Mart
>>
>>
>> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
>> news:%23Q%23sVsK$IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Heather wrote :-
>>>>
>>>>> Cheers from the Pickle Lady......
>>>>
>>>> Ah! - In that case, I guess you must really be Pickle Lilly
>>>
>>> GROAN!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Mart]

D**n - you beat me to Lilly's "Circus" link, HL. I was going to use that one
later <g>

But maybe the real problem with Elayne's 100ml jam jars is simply that they
have big tops.

Mart


"Heirloom" <nobodyhome@noplacelike.hom> wrote in message
news:ON8nklP$IHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I bet it is a 'Pickle Dilly Circus' at your house, Figgs.
> Heirloom, old and pun intended
>
> "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:O4bXotO$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> ROFL!! You guys are nuts!! Got all the stuff and unfortunately can't
>> send you a jar of them. Poor Elayne can't even take them on the
>> plane.....over 100 mls or whatever that metric thing is. (hate
>> metric....my recipe is in Imperial)
>>
>> Kissies from Pickle Lilly.......
>>
>> "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:Oi4165M$IHA.4156@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Positively relishing the thought of Heather's response.
>>>
>>> OK.. OK
>>>
>>> Mart
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
>>> news:%23Q%23sVsK$IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Heather wrote :-
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers from the Pickle Lady......
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah! - In that case, I guess you must really be Pickle Lilly
>>>>
>>>> GROAN!
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Arturo Seis]

Mart,

Mike's 'groan' barely scratches the surface. I have a couple of photographs
of Piccadilly Circus that made me wince when I thought of your quip. I shall
never be able to look at them in quite the same way again!

Now, if you'd been taking the name of the Mudchester Piccadilly in vain,
that would be a different matter. But please don't misunderstand me, to call
it 'awful' would be high praise indeed!




Arturo


Mart wrote:
> D**n - you beat me to Lilly's "Circus" link, HL. I was going to use
> that one later <g>
>
> But maybe the real problem with Elayne's 100ml jam jars is simply
> that they have big tops.
>
> Mart
>
>
> "Heirloom" <nobodyhome@noplacelike.hom> wrote in message
> news:ON8nklP$IHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> I bet it is a 'Pickle Dilly Circus' at your house, Figgs.
>> Heirloom, old and pun intended
>>
>> "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:O4bXotO$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> ROFL!! You guys are nuts!! Got all the stuff and unfortunately
>>> can't send you a jar of them. Poor Elayne can't even take them on
>>> the plane.....over 100 mls or whatever that metric thing is. (hate
>>> metric....my recipe is in Imperial)
>>>
>>> Kissies from Pickle Lilly.......
>>>
>>> "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>>> news:Oi4165M$IHA.4156@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Positively relishing the thought of Heather's response.
>>>>
>>>> OK.. OK
>>>>
>>>> Mart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23Q%23sVsK$IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Heather wrote :-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers from the Pickle Lady......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah! - In that case, I guess you must really be Pickle Lilly
>>>>>
>>>>> GROAN!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike

 

[jeanette]

"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message news:ezH9AMI$IHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Since you are using Outlook Express and are posting direct to the
> Microsoft news server the problem has to be at your end. Is it possible
> that you might have accidentally set OE to block your posts - Tools |
> Message Rules | Blocked Senders List? If so you will need to delete the
> entry and reset the NGs. Alternatively have you perhaps set up a message
> rule and instead of perhaps highlighting or colouring your posts it is
> deleting them (Tools | Message Rules | News).
>
> I don't think that changing server as suggested by Alias will do anything
> to solve the problem unless you have a message rule causing the problem
> and that it uses the news server as part of the rule. If this is the case
> then it is probably simpler to correct the rule.
> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com

hi mike,,,,
no, nothing like that has happened at all,, have not set up any rules etc in last six months,,
maybe even longer.

as for the rest of the thread,,,,, well, i guess its all about pickles.

J

 

[Mike M]

You may have set up no rules but I have to ask, did you check, especially
for an entry in blocked sender?
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


jeanette <jeany@lostincyber.com> wrote:

> no, nothing like that has happened at all,, have not set up any
> rules etc in last six months,, maybe even longer.
>
> as for the rest of the thread,,,,, well, i guess its all about
> pickles.

 

[jeanette]

hi again mike,, (hopefully,, i still cant see a single one of my posts)

i use 'msnews.microsoft.com' to access you guys at 'me',, as set up in my accounts.

just now (in last 5mins since i posted to you) i went and placed a post to:::

1)news.mozilla.org
2)news.microsoft.com
3)any ol' group on my own isps server

then after a refresh, every single post showed up.... all within a minute.

i just dont understand why i cant see my posts on 'msnews.microsoft.com'... ie, the server used to
get to you guys.
i think the rest of the bunch here have other things on their minds (pickles) so i am hoping you may
have another answer mike.

J

 

[jeanette]

"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message news:eoV$0gS$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> You may have set up no rules but I have to ask, did you check, especially
> for an entry in blocked sender?
> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com

thanks for quick reply mike.......
sigh... just went and looked in 'blocked sender',,, zilch.

weird thing is,, i used to visit here just fine,, just like i do in other groups etc... got me
beat, thats for sure,, a head-scratcher. (and no,, i dont got lice either,, ha ha.)

thanks mike.

J

 

[Mike M]

news.microsoft.com is the same server as msnews.microsoft.com

I would therefore simply switch to using news.microsoft.com rather than
msnews.microsoft.com. Same newsgroups, same posts, even yours! <g>

I'm sorry but I feel that you _have_ to have a rule somewhere that is
hiding your posts when posted to msnews.microsoft.com, especially so since
you say your posts to news.microsoft.com are showing. I previously
mentioned the possibility of your having blocked yourself (blocked
sender), or a newsgroup message rule, however there is also the
possibility of your having a customised view that is hiding your messages
but that's more unlikely since most users use the same view regardless of
the server they are using.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


jeanette <jeany@lostincyber.com> wrote:

> hi again mike,, (hopefully,, i still cant see a single one of my
> posts)
>
> i use 'msnews.microsoft.com' to access you guys at 'me',, as set up
> in my accounts.
>
> just now (in last 5mins since i posted to you) i went and placed a
> post to:::
>
> 1)news.mozilla.org
> 2)news.microsoft.com
> 3)any ol' group on my own isps server
>
> then after a refresh, every single post showed up.... all within a
> minute.
>
> i just dont understand why i cant see my posts on
> 'msnews.microsoft.com'... ie, the server used to get to you guys.
> i think the rest of the bunch here have other things on their minds
> (pickles) so i am hoping you may have another answer mike.
>
> J

 

[jeanette]

> news.microsoft.com is the same server as msnews.microsoft.com
>
> I would therefore simply switch to using news.microsoft.com rather than
> msnews.microsoft.com. Same newsgroups, same posts, even yours! <g>
-----------------------------------
acknowledged........<g>

-----------------------------------

>
> I'm sorry but I feel that you _have_ to have a rule somewhere that is
> hiding your posts when posted to msnews.microsoft.com, especially so since
> you say your posts to news.microsoft.com are showing. I previously
> mentioned the possibility of your having blocked yourself (blocked
> sender), or a newsgroup message rule, however there is also the
> possibility of your having a customised view that is hiding your messages
> but that's more unlikely since most users use the same view regardless of
> the server they are using.
> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com


no mike,,,,, still none of your above.

but,,, something a tad odder has happened when i said earlier that i test posted to
'news.microsoft.com', and my post appeared instantly, it was true,,,, but since then, i have
realised that other posts to same server/diff groups, have also not shown up.

as to whether 'msnews. blah blah' and 'news. blah blah' are the same,, well, i will take your
word for that but still cant figure out why something like would or could or is happening.
if both addresses are the same, then why can i see on one, yet not another..../? hmmmm

J

 

[Mike M]

> as to whether 'msnews. blah blah' and 'news. blah blah' are the
> same,, well, i will take your word for that

Why question what I posted when it is so very simple to prove this for
yourself? Use PING, TRACERT or other favourite tool and you will find
that both msnews.microsoft.com and news.microsoft.com resolve to the same
IP address. Currently both resolve here to 207.46.248.16 but this can
vary as MS used to use two if not 3 IPs for their news server but that may
have now changed.

Please Note:
This message was sent using the address news.microsoft.com for the
Microsoft news server.

> if both
> addresses are the same, then why can i see on one, yet not
> another..../? hmmmm

Because, in some way or other your PC is screwed. I've made various
suggestions as to what may be causing this.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


jeanette <jeany@lostincyber.com> wrote:

>> news.microsoft.com is the same server as msnews.microsoft.com
>>
>> I would therefore simply switch to using news.microsoft.com rather
>> than msnews.microsoft.com. Same newsgroups, same posts, even yours!
>> <g>
> -----------------------------------
> acknowledged........<g>
>
> -----------------------------------
>
>>
>> I'm sorry but I feel that you _have_ to have a rule somewhere that is
>> hiding your posts when posted to msnews.microsoft.com, especially so
>> since you say your posts to news.microsoft.com are showing. I
>> previously mentioned the possibility of your having blocked yourself
>> (blocked sender), or a newsgroup message rule, however there is also
>> the possibility of your having a customised view that is hiding your
>> messages but that's more unlikely since most users use the same view
>> regardless of the server they are using.
>> --
>> Mike Maltby
>> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> no mike,,,,, still none of your above.
>
> but,,, something a tad odder has happened when i said earlier
> that i test posted to 'news.microsoft.com', and my post appeared
> instantly, it was true,,,, but since then, i have realised that
> other posts to same server/diff groups, have also not shown up.
>
> as to whether 'msnews. blah blah' and 'news. blah blah' are the
> same,, well, i will take your word for that but still cant
> figure out why something like would or could or is happening. if both
> addresses are the same, then why can i see on one, yet not
> another..../? hmmmm
>
> J