Wireless and Windows98se

LL0945 · Aug 22, 2008

I am trying to connect a windows98se pc situated in an iron garage approx
6ft from the house. I am trying to connect using a wireless netgear wg311v3
pci adapter in the pc. My main router modem is also a Netgear DG834G and is
about a further 20 ft away (in the house).

I initially found I could connect wirelessly but signal was weak. I
therefore invested in a netcomm homeplug np290W combo. This works
brilliantly with my main computer in the house as I have located the unit
near me. I cannot put this unit in the garage as there is only one power
point out there and already it has two power boards connected - although not
all points are turned on all the time!

I have also extended the aerial capability on this old pc by conecting a
yagi antenna to the netgear card.

So, after setting up all the equipment I went out to the shed in high hopes.
Alas, it sees the networks (now two - one is for the main router/modem and
the other is the netcomm NP290W, but the jolly thing didn't connect. Any
suggestions would be appreciated.

LL

MEB · Aug 23, 2008

Make sure you have setup the *same* key and encryption [WEP, WPA, etc.], and
check firewalls {if any, and should be} throughout the network. Put all
computers in the same workgroup with common share names and passwords, and
within the same IP range..
The metal/iron building is a major blockage to wireless. If at all
possible, put the antenna in/near a window which is closest to the base unit
or mount the yagi on the exterior..

What does the connection strength show?

IF you have checked the above: Have you run any testing like ping or
otherwise?

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"LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:602E6C42-4176-4CF5-AADC-A50A499F9942@microsoft.com...
| I am trying to connect a windows98se pc situated in an iron garage approx
| 6ft from the house. I am trying to connect using a wireless netgear
wg311v3
| pci adapter in the pc. My main router modem is also a Netgear DG834G and
is
| about a further 20 ft away (in the house).
|
| I initially found I could connect wirelessly but signal was weak. I
| therefore invested in a netcomm homeplug np290W combo. This works
| brilliantly with my main computer in the house as I have located the unit
| near me. I cannot put this unit in the garage as there is only one power
| point out there and already it has two power boards connected - although
not
| all points are turned on all the time!
|
| I have also extended the aerial capability on this old pc by conecting a
| yagi antenna to the netgear card.
|
| So, after setting up all the equipment I went out to the shed in high
hopes.
| Alas, it sees the networks (now two - one is for the main router/modem and
| the other is the netcomm NP290W, but the jolly thing didn't connect. Any
| suggestions would be appreciated.
|
| LL
|

MEB · Aug 23, 2008

I should have asked, did you build the yagi or are you attempting to use
one from a HAM or CB setup {i.e.., are you sure its correct for the
frequency range?}?

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"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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|
|
| Make sure you have setup the *same* key and encryption [WEP, WPA, etc.],
and
| check firewalls {if any, and should be} throughout the network. Put all
| computers in the same workgroup with common share names and passwords, and
| within the same IP range..
| The metal/iron building is a major blockage to wireless. If at all
| possible, put the antenna in/near a window which is closest to the base
unit
| or mount the yagi on the exterior..
|
| What does the connection strength show?
|
| IF you have checked the above: Have you run any testing like ping or
| otherwise?
|
| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
|
|
| "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| news:602E6C42-4176-4CF5-AADC-A50A499F9942@microsoft.com...
| | I am trying to connect a windows98se pc situated in an iron garage
approx
| | 6ft from the house. I am trying to connect using a wireless netgear
| wg311v3
| | pci adapter in the pc. My main router modem is also a Netgear DG834G
and
| is
| | about a further 20 ft away (in the house).
| |
| | I initially found I could connect wirelessly but signal was weak. I
| | therefore invested in a netcomm homeplug np290W combo. This works
| | brilliantly with my main computer in the house as I have located the
unit
| | near me. I cannot put this unit in the garage as there is only one power
| | point out there and already it has two power boards connected - although
| not
| | all points are turned on all the time!
| |
| | I have also extended the aerial capability on this old pc by conecting a
| | yagi antenna to the netgear card.
| |
| | So, after setting up all the equipment I went out to the shed in high
| hopes.
| | Alas, it sees the networks (now two - one is for the main router/modem
and
| | the other is the netcomm NP290W, but the jolly thing didn't connect. Any
| | suggestions would be appreciated.
| |
| | LL
| |
|
|

LL0945 · Aug 23, 2008

Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing store. I'm
not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think is, that
the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless should be
working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I was
getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet
connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a netcomm
homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard, but will
not connect.

I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the two
computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at workgroup
names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't set
anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the 98 has
AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue?

Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but I am
wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any security to see
if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach the
little turbo plug that I am having problems.

I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times on XP
to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be something
there somewhere that I'm not aware of.

I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed, and yagi
is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try placing
it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the problem
probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that machine?
Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are unlikely to be
connected at same time)

All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!!

Thanks, LL

"MEB" wrote:

> I should have asked, did you build the yagi or are you attempting to use
> one from a HAM or CB setup {i.e.., are you sure its correct for the
> frequency range?}?
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
>
>
> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ux0TEHQBJHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> |
> |
> | Make sure you have setup the *same* key and encryption [WEP, WPA, etc.],
> and
> | check firewalls {if any, and should be} throughout the network. Put all
> | computers in the same workgroup with common share names and passwords, and
> | within the same IP range..
> | The metal/iron building is a major blockage to wireless. If at all
> | possible, put the antenna in/near a window which is closest to the base
> unit
> | or mount the yagi on the exterior..
> |
> | What does the connection strength show?
> |
> | IF you have checked the above: Have you run any testing like ping or
> | otherwise?
> |
> | --
> | MEB
> | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | --
> | _________
> |
> |
> |
> | "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | news:602E6C42-4176-4CF5-AADC-A50A499F9942@microsoft.com...
> | | I am trying to connect a windows98se pc situated in an iron garage
> approx
> | | 6ft from the house. I am trying to connect using a wireless netgear
> | wg311v3
> | | pci adapter in the pc. My main router modem is also a Netgear DG834G
> and
> | is
> | | about a further 20 ft away (in the house).
> | |
> | | I initially found I could connect wirelessly but signal was weak. I
> | | therefore invested in a netcomm homeplug np290W combo. This works
> | | brilliantly with my main computer in the house as I have located the
> unit
> | | near me. I cannot put this unit in the garage as there is only one power
> | | point out there and already it has two power boards connected - although
> | not
> | | all points are turned on all the time!
> | |
> | | I have also extended the aerial capability on this old pc by conecting a
> | | yagi antenna to the netgear card.
> | |
> | | So, after setting up all the equipment I went out to the shed in high
> | hopes.
> | | Alas, it sees the networks (now two - one is for the main router/modem
> and
> | | the other is the netcomm NP290W, but the jolly thing didn't connect. Any
> | | suggestions would be appreciated.
> | |
> | | LL
> | |
> |
> |
>
>
>

Jeff Richards · Aug 23, 2008

Move the W98 PC alongside the base station for the purpose of getting the
connection set up. Remove the aerial while you are doing this. Only when
the connection is working should you attempt to connect from the shed or
using the aerial.

What is the step in the netgear wizard that you are getting to OK? What are
you doing after that, what are you expecting to happen, and what is actually
happening?
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ED9C042E-2698-42F3-BCDB-FCED75C96495@microsoft.com...
> Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing store.
> I'm
> not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think is,
> that
> the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless should be
> working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I was
> getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet
> connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a netcomm
> homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard, but
> will
> not connect.
>
> I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the two
> computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at workgroup
> names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't set
> anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the 98
> has
> AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue?
>
> Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but I am
> wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any security to
> see
> if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach the
> little turbo plug that I am having problems.
>
> I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times on XP
> to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be
> something
> there somewhere that I'm not aware of.
>
> I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed, and
> yagi
> is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try
> placing
> it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the problem
> probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that
> machine?
> Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are unlikely to
> be
> connected at same time)
>
> All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!!
>
> Thanks, LL

MEB · Aug 24, 2008

"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
news:%23s9SmFYBJHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| Move the W98 PC alongside the base station for the purpose of getting the
| connection set up. Remove the aerial while you are doing this. Only when
| the connection is working should you attempt to connect from the shed or
| using the aerial.
|
| What is the step in the netgear wizard that you are getting to OK? What
are
| you doing after that, what are you expecting to happen, and what is
actually
| happening?
| --
| Jeff Richards
| MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
| "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| news:ED9C042E-2698-42F3-BCDB-FCED75C96495@microsoft.com...
| > Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing store.
| > I'm
| > not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think is,
| > that
| > the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless should
be
| > working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I was
| > getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet
| > connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a
netcomm
| > homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard, but
| > will
| > not connect.
| >

Along with Jeff's suggestions and questions, a note:
Just because you can *see* the network {or rather the 5 or 6 "points"you
now see} does not mean you can connect. Make sure everything is setup to
work together with the same encryption and key and other that I previously
mentioned. Changing the adapters/devices has changed the settings from your
original setup.

By mentioning five or six, are you indicating that there are that many
nodes in your network or that there are that many available networks?

IF these are networks: You must pick your network {which should be shown by
the identifier}, and block the rest.

Might also want to look at the IP configurations.

| > I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the two
| > computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at
workgroup
| > names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't set
| > anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the 98
| > has
| > AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue?

The XP firewall may still be setup for the old devices/adapters/network,
remove the old and start with a fresh network. That generally saves time [in
samll home networks] when networking issues crop up.

| >
| > Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but I am
| > wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any security to
| > see
| > if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach the
| > little turbo plug that I am having problems.

The plug/adapter installation seems to be the issue. You could disable XP
firewall and test locally, but I would not suggest connecting to the
Internet without protection beyond the hardware.

| >
| > I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times on
XP
| > to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be
| > something
| > there somewhere that I'm not aware of.

Again, it would be advisable to start from scratch. The XP networking issue
does turn-up occasionally with several potential fixes depending up test
resutls. Often the best fix is to try again. Is the XP machine fully
updated?

| >
| > I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed, and
| > yagi
| > is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try
| > placing
| > it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the problem
| > probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that
| > machine?

Sure, I prefer static through-out the network.

| > Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are unlikely
to
| > be
| > connected at same time)

Setup the network as all static. OR *all* would need to be dynamic.

| >
| > All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!!
| >
| > Thanks, LL
|
|

That's Okay, we all get a bit flustered at times.

Here's some info:
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm

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MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
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LL0945 · Aug 24, 2008

The PC98 connects fine to the Netgear Router and internet. However, signal
strength only one or two. Hence why I am trying to boost reception in shed
using the Netcomm Homeplug NP290W combo. I'll take your suggestion on board
and move the whole kit into home to see what I can do. Just that doing this
is a pain!

I just can't work out why the pc is OK with Netgear but not with Netcomm
booster plug.

Thanks for your suggestion - may not get to it today

LL

"Jeff Richards" wrote:

> Move the W98 PC alongside the base station for the purpose of getting the
> connection set up. Remove the aerial while you are doing this. Only when
> the connection is working should you attempt to connect from the shed or
> using the aerial.
>
> What is the step in the netgear wizard that you are getting to OK? What are
> you doing after that, what are you expecting to happen, and what is actually
> happening?
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:ED9C042E-2698-42F3-BCDB-FCED75C96495@microsoft.com...
> > Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing store.
> > I'm
> > not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think is,
> > that
> > the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless should be
> > working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I was
> > getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet
> > connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a netcomm
> > homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard, but
> > will
> > not connect.
> >
> > I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the two
> > computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at workgroup
> > names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't set
> > anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the 98
> > has
> > AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue?
> >
> > Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but I am
> > wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any security to
> > see
> > if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach the
> > little turbo plug that I am having problems.
> >
> > I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times on XP
> > to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be
> > something
> > there somewhere that I'm not aware of.
> >
> > I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed, and
> > yagi
> > is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try
> > placing
> > it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the problem
> > probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that
> > machine?
> > Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are unlikely to
> > be
> > connected at same time)
> >
> > All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!!
> >
> > Thanks, LL
>
>
>

LL0945 · Aug 25, 2008

I do not have a network set up, just the two computers to log into internet
when they so wish. I got onto internet in shed this morning, and had first
disconnected the added turbo homeplugs. The signal strength was only 1 or two
in the netgear wizard. So internet dropped out before doing much. However,
nice clear day today so thought it would work.

Tried the wireless antenna closer to window but didn't improve. B y the way,
I am connected fine inside with other XP computer to the wireless turbo plug.
My signal strength showing in the netgear wizard is full.

What I was trying to say previously, that out in the shed when I had the
turbo plug connected inside, the netgear signal points were up to 5. Perhaps
the weather conditions are a factor and I should wait for the next clear day
to try again. Ran out of time today. If I can't connect on a clear day, I'll
haul the computer inside and try.

I'll let you know what happens within the next day or two.

One other thing, you know how you can R click on the little icon and
'repair' in XP. Is there anything similar you can do in Windows98 to repair
whatever it is that XP succeeds in doing?

LL

"MEB" wrote:

>
>
> "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
> news:%23s9SmFYBJHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | Move the W98 PC alongside the base station for the purpose of getting the
> | connection set up. Remove the aerial while you are doing this. Only when
> | the connection is working should you attempt to connect from the shed or
> | using the aerial.
> |
> | What is the step in the netgear wizard that you are getting to OK? What
> are
> | you doing after that, what are you expecting to happen, and what is
> actually
> | happening?
> | --
> | Jeff Richards
> | MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> | "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | news:ED9C042E-2698-42F3-BCDB-FCED75C96495@microsoft.com...
> | > Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing store.
> | > I'm
> | > not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think is,
> | > that
> | > the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless should
> be
> | > working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I was
> | > getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet
> | > connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a
> netcomm
> | > homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard, but
> | > will
> | > not connect.
> | >
>
> Along with Jeff's suggestions and questions, a note:
> Just because you can *see* the network {or rather the 5 or 6 "points"you
> now see} does not mean you can connect. Make sure everything is setup to
> work together with the same encryption and key and other that I previously
> mentioned. Changing the adapters/devices has changed the settings from your
> original setup.
>
> By mentioning five or six, are you indicating that there are that many
> nodes in your network or that there are that many available networks?
>
> IF these are networks: You must pick your network {which should be shown by
> the identifier}, and block the rest.
>
> Might also want to look at the IP configurations.
>
> | > I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the two
> | > computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at
> workgroup
> | > names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't set
> | > anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the 98
> | > has
> | > AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue?
>
> The XP firewall may still be setup for the old devices/adapters/network,
> remove the old and start with a fresh network. That generally saves time [in
> samll home networks] when networking issues crop up.
>
> | >
> | > Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but I am
> | > wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any security to
> | > see
> | > if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach the
> | > little turbo plug that I am having problems.
>
> The plug/adapter installation seems to be the issue. You could disable XP
> firewall and test locally, but I would not suggest connecting to the
> Internet without protection beyond the hardware.
>
> | >
> | > I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times on
> XP
> | > to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be
> | > something
> | > there somewhere that I'm not aware of.
>
> Again, it would be advisable to start from scratch. The XP networking issue
> does turn-up occasionally with several potential fixes depending up test
> resutls. Often the best fix is to try again. Is the XP machine fully
> updated?
>
> | >
> | > I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed, and
> | > yagi
> | > is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try
> | > placing
> | > it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the problem
> | > probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that
> | > machine?
>
> Sure, I prefer static through-out the network.
>
> | > Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are unlikely
> to
> | > be
> | > connected at same time)
>
> Setup the network as all static. OR *all* would need to be dynamic.
>
> | >
> | > All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!!
> | >
> | > Thanks, LL
> |
> |
>
> That's Okay, we all get a bit flustered at times.
>
> Here's some info:
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
>
>
>

MEB · Aug 25, 2008

"LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:895540D8-7D3E-4FCD-8994-0DE303794E24@microsoft.com...
| I do not have a network set up, just the two computers to log into
internet
| when they so wish. I got onto internet in shed this morning, and had first
| disconnected the added turbo homeplugs. The signal strength was only 1 or
two
| in the netgear wizard. So internet dropped out before doing much. However,
| nice clear day today so thought it would work.
|
| Tried the wireless antenna closer to window but didn't improve. B y the
way,
| I am connected fine inside with other XP computer to the wireless turbo
plug.
| My signal strength showing in the netgear wizard is full.
|
| What I was trying to say previously, that out in the shed when I had the
| turbo plug connected inside, the netgear signal points were up to 5.
Perhaps
| the weather conditions are a factor and I should wait for the next clear
day
| to try again. Ran out of time today. If I can't connect on a clear day,
I'll
| haul the computer inside and try.
|
| I'll let you know what happens within the next day or two.
|
| One other thing, you know how you can R click on the little icon and
| 'repair' in XP. Is there anything similar you can do in Windows98 to
repair
| whatever it is that XP succeeds in doing?
|
| LL

Oh, so you were referring to the signal strength, got it.

9X has no repair per se, that's were complete network removal and
re-installation comes into play as I previously mentioned.

XP's repair just "cleans up" some of the network settings. It does not
repair.major issues.

Again, you *MUST setup the network*, particularly as you now have two
access point units/networks to connect to.

netcomm NP290W
http://www.netcomm.com.au/products/ethernetoverpower/np290w

Netgear DG834G
http://www.netgear.com/Products/Rou...lessRouters/DG834G.aspx?detail=Specifications

Make sure you re-check which you are configured to connect with in your
wireless PCI Netgear wg311v3 setup and that ALL required settings have been
followed. Take particular note of what must be done when there are more than
one access point.
ftp://downloads.netgear.com/files/wg311v3_manual_12feb07.pdf

Continuing to attempt to ignore potential setup issues will NOT bring
satisfaction. Please re-read the help suggestions.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
| >
| >
| > "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
| > news:%23s9SmFYBJHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | Move the W98 PC alongside the base station for the purpose of getting
the
| > | connection set up. Remove the aerial while you are doing this. Only
when
| > | the connection is working should you attempt to connect from the shed
or
| > | using the aerial.
| > |
| > | What is the step in the netgear wizard that you are getting to OK?
What
| > are
| > | you doing after that, what are you expecting to happen, and what is
| > actually
| > | happening?
| > | --
| > | Jeff Richards
| > | MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
| > | "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > | news:ED9C042E-2698-42F3-BCDB-FCED75C96495@microsoft.com...
| > | > Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing
store.
| > | > I'm
| > | > not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think
is,
| > | > that
| > | > the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless
should
| > be
| > | > working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I
was
| > | > getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet
| > | > connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a
| > netcomm
| > | > homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard,
but
| > | > will
| > | > not connect.
| > | >
| >
| > Along with Jeff's suggestions and questions, a note:
| > Just because you can *see* the network {or rather the 5 or 6
"points"you
| > now see} does not mean you can connect. Make sure everything is setup to
| > work together with the same encryption and key and other that I
previously
| > mentioned. Changing the adapters/devices has changed the settings from
your
| > original setup.
| >
| > By mentioning five or six, are you indicating that there are that many
| > nodes in your network or that there are that many available networks?
| >
| > IF these are networks: You must pick your network {which should be
shown by
| > the identifier}, and block the rest.
| >
| > Might also want to look at the IP configurations.
| >
| > | > I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the
two
| > | > computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at
| > workgroup
| > | > names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't
set
| > | > anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the
98
| > | > has
| > | > AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue?
| >
| > The XP firewall may still be setup for the old
devices/adapters/network,
| > remove the old and start with a fresh network. That generally saves time
[in
| > samll home networks] when networking issues crop up.
| >
| > | >
| > | > Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but
I am
| > | > wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any
security to
| > | > see
| > | > if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach
the
| > | > little turbo plug that I am having problems.
| >
| > The plug/adapter installation seems to be the issue. You could disable
XP
| > firewall and test locally, but I would not suggest connecting to the
| > Internet without protection beyond the hardware.
| >
| > | >
| > | > I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times
on
| > XP
| > | > to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be
| > | > something
| > | > there somewhere that I'm not aware of.
| >
| > Again, it would be advisable to start from scratch. The XP networking
issue
| > does turn-up occasionally with several potential fixes depending up test
| > resutls. Often the best fix is to try again. Is the XP machine fully
| > updated?
| >
| > | >
| > | > I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed,
and
| > | > yagi
| > | > is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try
| > | > placing
| > | > it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the
problem
| > | > probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that
| > | > machine?
| >
| > Sure, I prefer static through-out the network.
| >
| > | > Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are
unlikely
| > to
| > | > be
| > | > connected at same time)
| >
| > Setup the network as all static. OR *all* would need to be dynamic.
| >
| > | >
| > | > All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!!
| > | >
| > | > Thanks, LL
| > |
| > |
| >
| > That's Okay, we all get a bit flustered at times.
| >
| > Here's some info:
| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm
| >
| > --
| > MEB
| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| >
| >
| >

MEB · Aug 25, 2008

BTW: You have a network even though the two computers are not networked. You
are networking with the access points [2 wireless routers] AND the
modem/router [Netgear DG834G] and Internet.... sometimes a difficult concept
to understand.

You also must have the Netcomm NP290W properly connected to the Netgear
DG834G [which is apparently your Internet/DSL connection] and properly
configured. Make absolutely sure you have EVERYTHING setup properly.

Re-check my Networking page for more information.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

LL0945 · Aug 26, 2008

OK thanks for suggestions. Looks like I do need a lesson in networking!.
Tried to get into your networking site, but couldn't. Will try again - just
got to a web hosting message. But I definitely want to read up on it. Just
to let you know I succeeded this am for a short time to connect through the
plug on the w98 machine, but when I restarted, all was not well again!.

I will print all this info out to study it properly, try to get onto your
networking site again and study that. Will let you know how I get on and
whether I have further questions. If I can't get onto your networking site,
what other ones might be useful to me?

"MEB" wrote:

>
>
> "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:895540D8-7D3E-4FCD-8994-0DE303794E24@microsoft.com...
> | I do not have a network set up, just the two computers to log into
> internet
> | when they so wish. I got onto internet in shed this morning, and had first
> | disconnected the added turbo homeplugs. The signal strength was only 1 or
> two
> | in the netgear wizard. So internet dropped out before doing much. However,
> | nice clear day today so thought it would work.
> |
> | Tried the wireless antenna closer to window but didn't improve. B y the
> way,
> | I am connected fine inside with other XP computer to the wireless turbo
> plug.
> | My signal strength showing in the netgear wizard is full.
> |
> | What I was trying to say previously, that out in the shed when I had the
> | turbo plug connected inside, the netgear signal points were up to 5.
> Perhaps
> | the weather conditions are a factor and I should wait for the next clear
> day
> | to try again. Ran out of time today. If I can't connect on a clear day,
> I'll
> | haul the computer inside and try.
> |
> | I'll let you know what happens within the next day or two.
> |
> | One other thing, you know how you can R click on the little icon and
> | 'repair' in XP. Is there anything similar you can do in Windows98 to
> repair
> | whatever it is that XP succeeds in doing?
> |
> | LL
>
> Oh, so you were referring to the signal strength, got it.
>
> 9X has no repair per se, that's were complete network removal and
> re-installation comes into play as I previously mentioned.
>
> XP's repair just "cleans up" some of the network settings. It does not
> repair.major issues.
>
>
> Again, you *MUST setup the network*, particularly as you now have two
> access point units/networks to connect to.
>
> netcomm NP290W
> http://www.netcomm.com.au/products/ethernetoverpower/np290w
>
> Netgear DG834G
> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Rou...lessRouters/DG834G.aspx?detail=Specifications
>
> Make sure you re-check which you are configured to connect with in your
> wireless PCI Netgear wg311v3 setup and that ALL required settings have been
> followed. Take particular note of what must be done when there are more than
> one access point.
> ftp://downloads.netgear.com/files/wg311v3_manual_12feb07.pdf
>
> Continuing to attempt to ignore potential setup issues will NOT bring
> satisfaction. Please re-read the help suggestions.
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
>
> |
> | "MEB" wrote:
> |
> | >
> | >
> | > "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
> | > news:%23s9SmFYBJHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > | Move the W98 PC alongside the base station for the purpose of getting
> the
> | > | connection set up. Remove the aerial while you are doing this. Only
> when
> | > | the connection is working should you attempt to connect from the shed
> or
> | > | using the aerial.
> | > |
> | > | What is the step in the netgear wizard that you are getting to OK?
> What
> | > are
> | > | you doing after that, what are you expecting to happen, and what is
> | > actually
> | > | happening?
> | > | --
> | > | Jeff Richards
> | > | MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> | > | "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | > | news:ED9C042E-2698-42F3-BCDB-FCED75C96495@microsoft.com...
> | > | > Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing
> store.
> | > | > I'm
> | > | > not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think
> is,
> | > | > that
> | > | > the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless
> should
> | > be
> | > | > working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I
> was
> | > | > getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet
> | > | > connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a
> | > netcomm
> | > | > homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard,
> but
> | > | > will
> | > | > not connect.
> | > | >
> | >
> | > Along with Jeff's suggestions and questions, a note:
> | > Just because you can *see* the network {or rather the 5 or 6
> "points"you
> | > now see} does not mean you can connect. Make sure everything is setup to
> | > work together with the same encryption and key and other that I
> previously
> | > mentioned. Changing the adapters/devices has changed the settings from
> your
> | > original setup.
> | >
> | > By mentioning five or six, are you indicating that there are that many
> | > nodes in your network or that there are that many available networks?
> | >
> | > IF these are networks: You must pick your network {which should be
> shown by
> | > the identifier}, and block the rest.
> | >
> | > Might also want to look at the IP configurations.
> | >
> | > | > I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the
> two
> | > | > computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at
> | > workgroup
> | > | > names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't
> set
> | > | > anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the
> 98
> | > | > has
> | > | > AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue?
> | >
> | > The XP firewall may still be setup for the old
> devices/adapters/network,
> | > remove the old and start with a fresh network. That generally saves time
> [in
> | > samll home networks] when networking issues crop up.
> | >
> | > | >
> | > | > Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but
> I am
> | > | > wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any
> security to
> | > | > see
> | > | > if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach
> the
> | > | > little turbo plug that I am having problems.
> | >
> | > The plug/adapter installation seems to be the issue. You could disable
> XP
> | > firewall and test locally, but I would not suggest connecting to the
> | > Internet without protection beyond the hardware.
> | >
> | > | >
> | > | > I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times
> on
> | > XP
> | > | > to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be
> | > | > something
> | > | > there somewhere that I'm not aware of.
> | >
> | > Again, it would be advisable to start from scratch. The XP networking
> issue
> | > does turn-up occasionally with several potential fixes depending up test
> | > resutls. Often the best fix is to try again. Is the XP machine fully
> | > updated?
> | >
> | > | >
> | > | > I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed,
> and
> | > | > yagi
> | > | > is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try
> | > | > placing
> | > | > it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the
> problem
> | > | > probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that
> | > | > machine?
> | >
> | > Sure, I prefer static through-out the network.
> | >
> | > | > Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are
> unlikely
> | > to
> | > | > be
> | > | > connected at same time)
> | >
> | > Setup the network as all static. OR *all* would need to be dynamic.
> | >
> | > | >
> | > | > All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!!
> | > | >
> | > | > Thanks, LL
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | > That's Okay, we all get a bit flustered at times.
> | >
> | > Here's some info:
> | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB
> | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > --
> | > _________
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
>
>
>

MEB · Aug 26, 2008

OT: Do NOT use these hosting services - FreeWebHostingArea.com and Orgfree.com

You're right, those apparently ignorant, dimwitted, sh** for brains running
the service, have again put blocks on MORE of the pages.

Here's my recommendations for the services called *FreeWebHostingArea.com
and Orgfree.com = STAY AWAY FROM THESE SERVICES,. DO NOT USE THESE SERVICES*
for any site that might hold important materials or anything of *real value*
to the people of the world.

FreeWebHostingArea.com
FWHA - ()
+36.575435455
Fax: +36.575435456
Maroczi ut.
Budapest, P 1118
HU

webmaster@orgfreemail.com
webmaster@orgfree.com
freehostsupport@hostdepartment.com

Over the course of the five years in which I have used this orgfree.com
service, I have had numerous issues with page removals and blocking due to
the inability and shear in incompetence of the operators of the service. The
responsiveness of the operators has been worse than dismal, it has been done
in a fashion of complete ignorance of worldly affairs. They STILL don't get
that it is/was an *anchor site* via which Google and other search engines
were forced to crawl even when the service held no other site which would
not be sandboxed or ignored due to the materials on those sites.
Here's a general question: When did this type of stupidity become the norm
for the world?

Here's another recommendation: ANYTIME some moron from protonhosting.com
suggests that they know anything about web hosting, site development, search
engine optimization, web page design and development be assured, these
people know nothing of relevance....

--
MEB
--
_________

PA Bear [MS MVP] · Aug 26, 2008

Re: Do NOT use these hosting services - FreeWebHostingArea.com and Orgfree.com

[If it were a US company, guess who would be suing them? <VBEG>]

MEB wrote:
> You're right, those apparently ignorant, dimwitted, sh** for brains
> running
> the service, have again put blocks on MORE of the pages.
>
> Here's my recommendations for the services called *FreeWebHostingArea.com
> and Orgfree.com = STAY AWAY FROM THESE SERVICES,. DO NOT USE THESE
> SERVICES*
> for any site that might hold important materials or anything of *real
> value*
> to the people of the world.
>
> FreeWebHostingArea.com
> FWHA - ()
> +36.575435455
> Fax: +36.575435456
> Maroczi ut.
> Budapest, P 1118
> HU
>
> webmaster@orgfreemail.com
> webmaster@orgfree.com
> freehostsupport@hostdepartment.com
>
> Over the course of the five years in which I have used this orgfree.com
> service, I have had numerous issues with page removals and blocking due to
> the inability and shear in incompetence of the operators of the service.
> The
> responsiveness of the operators has been worse than dismal, it has been
> done
> in a fashion of complete ignorance of worldly affairs. They STILL don't
> get
> that it is/was an *anchor site* via which Google and other search engines
> were forced to crawl even when the service held no other site which would
> not be sandboxed or ignored due to the materials on those sites.
> Here's a general question: When did this type of stupidity become the norm
> for the world?
>
>
> Here's another recommendation: ANYTIME some moron from protonhosting.com
> suggests that they know anything about web hosting, site development,
> search
> engine optimization, web page design and development be assured, these
> people know nothing of relevance....
>
>
> --
> MEB

LL0945 · Aug 27, 2008

Major problem encountered and computer has had to be taken to the local
computer shop. Encountered fatal error and blue screen of death. So they have
discovered bad memory as well as suspect video card. While it is there I am
going to upgrade it to windows 2000 and hope this will eliminate all my
problems.

Before computer collapsed, I had run winipcfg and did connect after renewing
and refreshing. But while in there, also discovered remnant host name for old
dialup account. However, never got to experiment further. This may have had
something to do with my problems.

May have to let you know how I get on with windows 2000!

LL

"LL0945" wrote:

> The PC98 connects fine to the Netgear Router and internet. However, signal
> strength only one or two. Hence why I am trying to boost reception in shed
> using the Netcomm Homeplug NP290W combo. I'll take your suggestion on board
> and move the whole kit into home to see what I can do. Just that doing this
> is a pain!
>
> I just can't work out why the pc is OK with Netgear but not with Netcomm
> booster plug.
>
> Thanks for your suggestion - may not get to it today
>
> LL
>
> "Jeff Richards" wrote:
>
> > Move the W98 PC alongside the base station for the purpose of getting the
> > connection set up. Remove the aerial while you are doing this. Only when
> > the connection is working should you attempt to connect from the shed or
> > using the aerial.
> >
> > What is the step in the netgear wizard that you are getting to OK? What are
> > you doing after that, what are you expecting to happen, and what is actually
> > happening?
> > --
> > Jeff Richards
> > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> > "LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:ED9C042E-2698-42F3-BCDB-FCED75C96495@microsoft.com...
> > > Thank you for helping me. I bought the Yagi from local computing store.
> > > I'm
> > > not sure how to test frequency etc, but will look into it. The think is,
> > > that
> > > the netgeat wizard is recognizing the network(s) so the wireless should be
> > > working OK do you think? When I connected initially in the garage, I was
> > > getting signal strength between one and two only. However, internet
> > > connected. Now, if I try to go through my new 'booster' which is a netcomm
> > > homeplug, I can see five or six signal points in the netgear wizard, but
> > > will
> > > not connect.
> > >
> > > I haven't tried to ping - not sure how to do this. I haven't set the two
> > > computers up as a network and therefore I have never looked at workgroup
> > > names etc. My XP machine is using microsoft firewall, but I haven't set
> > > anything up on the 98 machine. The XP has AVG free installed and the 98
> > > has
> > > AVAST free for virus protection. Would this be an issue?
> > >
> > > Both machines are using the same WPA password encryption method but I am
> > > wondering if I should try connecting to internet without any security to
> > > see
> > > if this could be problem. It only seems to be since trying to attach the
> > > little turbo plug that I am having problems.
> > >
> > > I have had to R click little taskbar icon and 'repair' several times on XP
> > > to get on internet, but 98 doesn't have this function. There may be
> > > something
> > > there somewhere that I'm not aware of.
> > >
> > > I do realize iron and water are a problem. Only one window in shed, and
> > > yagi
> > > is as near to it as I can get it. Don't think cord will reach to try
> > > placing
> > > it outside. Because I am getting 5 signal points, I think the problem
> > > probably lies in software?? Should I try a static IP address on that
> > > machine?
> > > Would that affect the XP trying to get on. (Both machines are unlikely to
> > > be
> > > connected at same time)
> > >
> > > All this seems a bit muddled - but that is how I am feeling!!
> > >
> > > Thanks, LL
> >
> >
> >

MEB · Aug 28, 2008

"LL0945" <LL0945@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1A5DB261-A0A1-4793-9AC9-D4CABCAFDAC1@microsoft.com...
| Major problem encountered and computer has had to be taken to the local
| computer shop. Encountered fatal error and blue screen of death. So they
have
| discovered bad memory as well as suspect video card. While it is there I
am
| going to upgrade it to windows 2000 and hope this will eliminate all my
| problems.
|
| Before computer collapsed, I had run winipcfg and did connect after
renewing
| and refreshing. But while in there, also discovered remnant host name for
old
| dialup account. However, never got to experiment further. This may have
had
| something to do with my problems.
|
| May have to let you know how I get on with windows 2000!
|
| LL

Keep us informed...

I not sure why what you described had any effect on the wireless setup. But
its obviously too late now.
I hope the repair shop is competent and you trust them.

--
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--
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MEB · Aug 28, 2008

MEB · Aug 28, 2008

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