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Moshe Goldfarb.
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:19:56 -0700 (PDT), robert.e.clayton@gmail.com wrote:
> Caught this rather embarrassing (for Roy) exchange on BN:
>
> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/28/miguel-de-icaza-vs-gpl/
>
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>
> #
> Roy Schestowitz said,
> August 30, 2008 at 3:09 am
>
> I didn¡¦t add this to the text above (cited it instead and talked about
> it in IRC), but the licence is possibly designed to permit change of
> ¡¥de facto¡¦ ownership or control. Microsoft cannot stand the GNU GPL
> and, in case it buys Novell, that matters.
> #
> AlexH said,
> August 30, 2008 at 4:06 am
>
> @Roy: totally false.
>
> All open source licenses are perpetual when ownership changes, the
> new owner can change the license on the software but that doesn¡¦t
> affect existing users.
>
> I¡¦m not surprised that you don¡¦t understand Miguel¡¦s comment and think
> it FUD. Probably because you don¡¦t know your history: when it was
> created, it was put under the GPL for ¡§political¡¨ reasons, and was
> thus inaccessible to both proprietary apps but also non-GPL compatible
> open source apps (e.g., Apache-licensed apps) and also to those non-
> copylefted projects who didn¡¦t want to be forced to release under the
> GPL (good example: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2000-12/msg01038.php).
>
> This rubbed some people up the wrong way, not because it was GPL, but
> because of how overtly the point was made. It¡¦s a historical argument
> well-known amongst the free software community.
>
> Miguel is referring to that debate. He may not prefer the GPL, I don¡¦t
> know his personal view, but his comment is about which licenses you
> use where in the stack, not whether or not certain licenses are good
> or bad.
>
> I¡¦ve stopped expecting you to correct your false stories, but maybe
> this will help inform you in the future.
> #
> Roy Schestowitz said,
> August 30, 2008 at 4:10 am
>
> All open source licenses are perpetual when ownership changes,
> the new owner can change the license on the software but that doesn¡¦t
> affect existing users.
>
> Yes, but miss not the point that the GPL ensures there is an
> obligation to /keep/ it open.
>
> Microsoft has already ¡¥closed-sourced¡¦ some BSD code.
> #
> AlexH said,
> August 30, 2008 at 4:14 am
>
> The GPL doesn¡¦t have any such obligation, sorry Roy.
>
> If you are the copyright owner, you can change the license to a closed
> license and make all your future releases under that.
>
> The GPL copyleft works only ¡§against¡¨ non-copyright owners. No
> copyright license can restrict the activity of the rightful copyright
> owner.
> #
> Roy Schestowitz said,
> August 30, 2008 at 4:32 am
>
> Okay, so you seem to be suggesting that if Microsoft buys Novell, then
> it can change Mono¡¦s licence and close it regardless.
> #
> Dan O'Brian said,
> August 30, 2008 at 6:06 am
>
> I hate to say it, but ¡§Duh¡¨ at Roy¡¦s last comment.
>
> Iff Microsoft were to buy Novell, everything that Novell has copyright
> ownership of, they could relicense - regardless of whether it is GPL
> or not.
>
> I honestly cannot believe that this is ¡§news¡¨ to anyone, it¡¦s so
> fundamental.
>
> FWIW, since Mono is LGPL and MIT/X11 licensed - if Microsoft were to
> buy Novell (or even if they don¡¦t), you could fork Mono and relicense
> GPLv3 because neither license has any restriction against doing so.
>
> ------------------ END TRANSMISSION -----------------
>
> Yes, that's correct ladies and gentlemen, Roy Schestowitz doesn't even
> understand the most basic of principles that his beliefs are built
> upon.
>
> If he can be so wrong about what the GPL means, what else is he wrong
> about?
>
> Roy Schestowitz's credibility is 0.
Roy Schestowitz is an idiot.
He couldn't even figure out how to filter people out of COLA without
filtering at the ISP level.
That's pretty sad.
What can you expect from a person who is approaching 10 years at University
and still has not graduated?
A person who posts to literally every corner of the Internet 24x7 ?
Here is a little about Roy Schestowitz (not my Blog BTW):
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/2007/09/roy-schestowitz-liar.html
"Roy Schestowitz is a career college student at some liberal artsy
university. He has never had a job or any responsibility in his life and
his poor parents have been supporting his butt for many years. Instead of
actually graduating like you're supposed to this proven liar spends 24
hours a day, 7 days a week (including all holidays) posting lies to every
corner of the internet. He posts to a Microsoft-hate newsgroup called COLA
for instance where he finds the time to make thousands of posts each month.
Really... this is no exaggeration. He literally makes several thousand
posts per month to this lowly newsgroup instead of studying or getting a
job. He was posting so much and misusing his college computers so much that
after several warnings and complaints his school had no choice but to
suspend his internet posting privileges. (He's not supposed to use school
computers for personal gain.) Now he uses Mark Kent's account (another
linux liar) to spew his lies and hatred from.
He was recently found guilty of stealing artwork from other websites and
posting them on his site despite the clear and obvious copyright warnings.
He has no hesitation in shamelessly stealing the work of others and posting
it up on his website as his own in order to try and make a few pennies
profit.
Other than posting to COLA he has his own anti-Microsoft website and
created for-profit websites that attempt to boycott linux vendors he
doesn't like such as Novell, Xandros and etc. His specialty is to take news
stories and twist the headline and contents of the story into something
that was never written. Unsuspecting readers will see the post from Roy
Schestowitz and assume it's the truth when in reality it's nothing but
lies, delusions, ravings and rants from this immature child. "
Roy Schestowitz is a hoot to observe on ICQ and some of the statements he
makes are so ludicrous that it's difficult to imagine how he could even
begin to believe them himself.
Also entertaining is observing him conjuring up methods for dealing with
what he deems *trolls* in other groups and sites he posts in.
IOW people who disagree with his paranoid, incorrect, unsubstantiated
claims of lunacy and compairacy theories.
Currently Roy Schestowitz is calling for the Novel and Microsoft executives
to be put into prison!!!
Schestowitz is a couple of cubes short of a Rubik....
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
> Caught this rather embarrassing (for Roy) exchange on BN:
>
> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/28/miguel-de-icaza-vs-gpl/
>
> --------------------- BEGIN TRANSMISSION ----------------
>
> #
> Roy Schestowitz said,
> August 30, 2008 at 3:09 am
>
> I didn¡¦t add this to the text above (cited it instead and talked about
> it in IRC), but the licence is possibly designed to permit change of
> ¡¥de facto¡¦ ownership or control. Microsoft cannot stand the GNU GPL
> and, in case it buys Novell, that matters.
> #
> AlexH said,
> August 30, 2008 at 4:06 am
>
> @Roy: totally false.
>
> All open source licenses are perpetual when ownership changes, the
> new owner can change the license on the software but that doesn¡¦t
> affect existing users.
>
> I¡¦m not surprised that you don¡¦t understand Miguel¡¦s comment and think
> it FUD. Probably because you don¡¦t know your history: when it was
> created, it was put under the GPL for ¡§political¡¨ reasons, and was
> thus inaccessible to both proprietary apps but also non-GPL compatible
> open source apps (e.g., Apache-licensed apps) and also to those non-
> copylefted projects who didn¡¦t want to be forced to release under the
> GPL (good example: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2000-12/msg01038.php).
>
> This rubbed some people up the wrong way, not because it was GPL, but
> because of how overtly the point was made. It¡¦s a historical argument
> well-known amongst the free software community.
>
> Miguel is referring to that debate. He may not prefer the GPL, I don¡¦t
> know his personal view, but his comment is about which licenses you
> use where in the stack, not whether or not certain licenses are good
> or bad.
>
> I¡¦ve stopped expecting you to correct your false stories, but maybe
> this will help inform you in the future.
> #
> Roy Schestowitz said,
> August 30, 2008 at 4:10 am
>
> All open source licenses are perpetual when ownership changes,
> the new owner can change the license on the software but that doesn¡¦t
> affect existing users.
>
> Yes, but miss not the point that the GPL ensures there is an
> obligation to /keep/ it open.
>
> Microsoft has already ¡¥closed-sourced¡¦ some BSD code.
> #
> AlexH said,
> August 30, 2008 at 4:14 am
>
> The GPL doesn¡¦t have any such obligation, sorry Roy.
>
> If you are the copyright owner, you can change the license to a closed
> license and make all your future releases under that.
>
> The GPL copyleft works only ¡§against¡¨ non-copyright owners. No
> copyright license can restrict the activity of the rightful copyright
> owner.
> #
> Roy Schestowitz said,
> August 30, 2008 at 4:32 am
>
> Okay, so you seem to be suggesting that if Microsoft buys Novell, then
> it can change Mono¡¦s licence and close it regardless.
> #
> Dan O'Brian said,
> August 30, 2008 at 6:06 am
>
> I hate to say it, but ¡§Duh¡¨ at Roy¡¦s last comment.
>
> Iff Microsoft were to buy Novell, everything that Novell has copyright
> ownership of, they could relicense - regardless of whether it is GPL
> or not.
>
> I honestly cannot believe that this is ¡§news¡¨ to anyone, it¡¦s so
> fundamental.
>
> FWIW, since Mono is LGPL and MIT/X11 licensed - if Microsoft were to
> buy Novell (or even if they don¡¦t), you could fork Mono and relicense
> GPLv3 because neither license has any restriction against doing so.
>
> ------------------ END TRANSMISSION -----------------
>
> Yes, that's correct ladies and gentlemen, Roy Schestowitz doesn't even
> understand the most basic of principles that his beliefs are built
> upon.
>
> If he can be so wrong about what the GPL means, what else is he wrong
> about?
>
> Roy Schestowitz's credibility is 0.
Roy Schestowitz is an idiot.
He couldn't even figure out how to filter people out of COLA without
filtering at the ISP level.
That's pretty sad.
What can you expect from a person who is approaching 10 years at University
and still has not graduated?
A person who posts to literally every corner of the Internet 24x7 ?
Here is a little about Roy Schestowitz (not my Blog BTW):
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/2007/09/roy-schestowitz-liar.html
"Roy Schestowitz is a career college student at some liberal artsy
university. He has never had a job or any responsibility in his life and
his poor parents have been supporting his butt for many years. Instead of
actually graduating like you're supposed to this proven liar spends 24
hours a day, 7 days a week (including all holidays) posting lies to every
corner of the internet. He posts to a Microsoft-hate newsgroup called COLA
for instance where he finds the time to make thousands of posts each month.
Really... this is no exaggeration. He literally makes several thousand
posts per month to this lowly newsgroup instead of studying or getting a
job. He was posting so much and misusing his college computers so much that
after several warnings and complaints his school had no choice but to
suspend his internet posting privileges. (He's not supposed to use school
computers for personal gain.) Now he uses Mark Kent's account (another
linux liar) to spew his lies and hatred from.
He was recently found guilty of stealing artwork from other websites and
posting them on his site despite the clear and obvious copyright warnings.
He has no hesitation in shamelessly stealing the work of others and posting
it up on his website as his own in order to try and make a few pennies
profit.
Other than posting to COLA he has his own anti-Microsoft website and
created for-profit websites that attempt to boycott linux vendors he
doesn't like such as Novell, Xandros and etc. His specialty is to take news
stories and twist the headline and contents of the story into something
that was never written. Unsuspecting readers will see the post from Roy
Schestowitz and assume it's the truth when in reality it's nothing but
lies, delusions, ravings and rants from this immature child. "
Roy Schestowitz is a hoot to observe on ICQ and some of the statements he
makes are so ludicrous that it's difficult to imagine how he could even
begin to believe them himself.
Also entertaining is observing him conjuring up methods for dealing with
what he deems *trolls* in other groups and sites he posts in.
IOW people who disagree with his paranoid, incorrect, unsubstantiated
claims of lunacy and compairacy theories.
Currently Roy Schestowitz is calling for the Novel and Microsoft executives
to be put into prison!!!
Schestowitz is a couple of cubes short of a Rubik....
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/