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Rick Chauvin

:) you're typed words always bespeak of lawyer lingo :)

hi,

Rick

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The former site which I included in my signature is defunct and should be
> changed to http://peoplescounsel.org
>
> This is provided for any parties whom might have added, included, or
> otherwise linked to the former address or its materials.
>
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.org
> _ _
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MEB

"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:OlRbq$qGJHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| :) you're typed words always bespeak of lawyer lingo :)
|
| hi,
|
| Rick

After years of writing that way, its a hard habit to break... the whole
thought process changes logic, direction, and conveyance are key and
essential step outside that box and the sharks WILL get you.....

So whatsup wit yus...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~

|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:eQ3Z6doGJHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
| > The former site which I included in my signature is defunct and should
be
| > changed to http://peoplescounsel.org
| >
| > This is provided for any parties whom might have added, included, or
| > otherwise linked to the former address or its materials.
| >
| >
| > --
| > MEB
| > http://peoplescounsel.org
| > _ _
| > ~~
|
|
|
|
 
R

Rick Chauvin

Understood...

~~~~~~~~~

I be okay, good,

~~~~~~~~~

....the best to you Meb,

Rick




...a great prophet wise man once said to me..
.....what your mindset or focus is always on, is what you will get...




"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23obH$0tGJHA.1432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
> news:OlRbq$qGJHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>| :) you're typed words always bespeak of lawyer lingo :)
>|
>| hi,
>|
>| Rick
>
> After years of writing that way, its a hard habit to break... the whole
> thought process changes logic, direction, and conveyance are key and
> essential step outside that box and the sharks WILL get you.....
>
> So whatsup wit yus...
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.org
> a Peoples' counsel
> _ _
> ~~
>
>|
>| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>| news:eQ3Z6doGJHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
>| > The former site which I included in my signature is defunct and
>| > should be changed to http://peoplescounsel.org
>| >
>| > This is provided for any parties whom might have added, included, or
>| > otherwise linked to the former address or its materials.
>| >
>| >
>| > --
>| > MEB
>| > http://peoplescounsel.org
>| > _ _
>| > ~~
 
P

PCR

Rick Chauvin wrote:
| Understood...
|
| ~~~~~~~~~
|
| I be okay, good,
|
| ~~~~~~~~~
|
| ...the best to you Meb,

I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone changes,
Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps...

..................... Properties ............................... ...
OE ...
MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM
You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM
MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM
You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM

In MEB's first post, 14:42 shows up in the properties of his post, &
2:42 PM shows up in OE. Those are the same but on a 24 & 12 hour clock.
His second post shows the same times as well. But your property's times
are 1 hour slow (should show 20) or the time showing in OE is one hour
fast (should show 7)!

Do you have TZEdit? If not, take it from here...
http://www.softshape.com/cham/manual/tzedit.htm

TZEdit.exe goes into C\Windows\System. (The .cnt, .hlp, & .gid files go
into C\Windows\Help. However, they don't seem to work, anyhow.)

First, D-Clk your clock, & ensure you are set for the proper time zone.
Next, run TZEdit. If it shows that you have the 2006 implementation,
change it to the 2007 implementation. This will fix the dates for your
own time zone only. (Alternatively, go to Terhune's site & a take a fix
for all time zones.)

.....Quote..........
The 2006 implementation is as follows:
• Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on April 2, 2006.
• Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on October 29, 2006.

The 2007 implementation is as follows:
• Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on March 11, 2007.
• Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on November 4, 2007
.....EOQ............

| Rick
|
|
|
|
| ..a great prophet wise man once said to me..
| ....what your mindset or focus is always on, is what you will get...
|
|
|
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:%23obH$0tGJHA.1432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
|> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
|> news:OlRbq$qGJHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|>| :) you're typed words always bespeak of lawyer lingo :)
|>|
|>| hi,
|>|
|>| Rick
|>
|> After years of writing that way, its a hard habit to break... the
|> whole thought process changes logic, direction, and conveyance are
|> key and essential step outside that box and the sharks WILL get
|> you.....
|>
|> So whatsup wit yus...
|>
|> --
|> MEB
|> http://peoplescounsel.org
|> a Peoples' counsel
|> _ _
|> ~~
|>
|>|
|>| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
|>| news:eQ3Z6doGJHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
|>| > The former site which I included in my signature is defunct and
|>| > should be changed to http://peoplescounsel.org
|>| >
|>| > This is provided for any parties whom might have added, included,
|>| > or otherwise linked to the former address or its materials.
|>| >
|>| >
|>| > --
|>| > MEB
|>| > http://peoplescounsel.org
|>| > _ _
|>| > ~~

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
P

PCR

PCR wrote:
| Rick Chauvin wrote:
|| Understood...
||
|| ~~~~~~~~~
||
|| I be okay, good,
||
|| ~~~~~~~~~
||
|| ...the best to you Meb,
|
| I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone changes,
| Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps...
|
| .................... Properties ...............................
| ... OE ...
| MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM
| You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM
| MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM
| You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM
|
| In MEB's first post, 14:42 shows up in the properties of his post, &
| 2:42 PM shows up in OE. Those are the same but on a 24 & 12 hour
| clock. His second post shows the same times as well. But your
| property's times are 1 hour slow (should show 20) or the time showing
| in OE is one hour fast (should show 7)!
|
| Do you have TZEdit? If not, take it from here...
| http://www.softshape.com/cham/manual/tzedit.htm
|
| TZEdit.exe goes into C\Windows\System. (The .cnt, .hlp, & .gid files
| go into C\Windows\Help. However, they don't seem to work, anyhow.)
|
| First, D-Clk your clock, & ensure you are set for the proper time
| zone. Next, run TZEdit. If it shows that you have the 2006
| implementation, change it to the 2007 implementation. This will fix
| the dates for your own time zone only. (Alternatively, go to
| Terhune's site & a take a fix for all time zones.)
|
| ....Quote..........
| The 2006 implementation is as follows:
| • Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on April 2, 2006.
| • Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on October 29, 2006.
|
| The 2007 implementation is as follows:
| • Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on March 11, 2007.
| • Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on November 4, 2007
| ....EOQ............

Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. That
is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. Windows applies
the differencial to the header before displaying it! Sheesh! Sorry! You
must be an hour away from us! Good to see you back, Chauvin.

|| Rick
||
||
||
||
|| ..a great prophet wise man once said to me..
|| ....what your mindset or focus is always on, is what you will get...
||
||
||
||
|| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
|| news:%23obH$0tGJHA.1432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
||> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
||> news:OlRbq$qGJHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
||>| :) you're typed words always bespeak of lawyer lingo :)
||>|
||>| hi,
||>|
||>| Rick
||>
||> After years of writing that way, its a hard habit to break... the
||> whole thought process changes logic, direction, and conveyance are
||> key and essential step outside that box and the sharks WILL get
||> you.....
||>
||> So whatsup wit yus...
||>
||> --
||> MEB
||> http://peoplescounsel.org
||> a Peoples' counsel
||> _ _
||> ~~
||>
||>|
||>| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
||>| news:eQ3Z6doGJHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
||>| > The former site which I included in my signature is defunct and
||>| > should be changed to http://peoplescounsel.org
||>| >
||>| > This is provided for any parties whom might have added, included,
||>| > or otherwise linked to the former address or its materials.
||>| >
||>| >
||>| > --
||>| > MEB
||>| > http://peoplescounsel.org
||>| > _ _
||>| > ~~
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
| pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
M

MEB

Ah yeah, might be - - EDT v CDT v {the numerous time zones}

Let's not forget that a message may be created well before it is sent, and
may be delayed or modified by the service provider.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~
"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| PCR wrote:
| | Rick Chauvin wrote:
| || Understood...
| ||
| || ~~~~~~~~~
| ||
| || I be okay, good,
| ||
| || ~~~~~~~~~
| ||
| || ...the best to you Meb,
| |
| | I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone changes,
| | Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps...
| |
| | .................... Properties ...............................
| | ... OE ...
| | MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM
| | You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM
| | MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM
| | You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM
| |
| | In MEB's first post, 14:42 shows up in the properties of his post, &
| | 2:42 PM shows up in OE. Those are the same but on a 24 & 12 hour
| | clock. His second post shows the same times as well. But your
| | property's times are 1 hour slow (should show 20) or the time showing
| | in OE is one hour fast (should show 7)!
| |
| | Do you have TZEdit? If not, take it from here...
| | http://www.softshape.com/cham/manual/tzedit.htm
| |
| | TZEdit.exe goes into C\Windows\System. (The .cnt, .hlp, & .gid files
| | go into C\Windows\Help. However, they don't seem to work, anyhow.)
| |
| | First, D-Clk your clock, & ensure you are set for the proper time
| | zone. Next, run TZEdit. If it shows that you have the 2006
| | implementation, change it to the 2007 implementation. This will fix
| | the dates for your own time zone only. (Alternatively, go to
| | Terhune's site & a take a fix for all time zones.)
| |
| | ....Quote..........
| | The 2006 implementation is as follows:
| | . Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on April 2, 2006.
| | . Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on October 29, 2006.
| |
| | The 2007 implementation is as follows:
| | . Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on March 11, 2007.
| | . Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on November 4, 2007
| | ....EOQ............
|
| Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. That
| is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. Windows applies
| the differencial to the header before displaying it! Sheesh! Sorry! You
| must be an hour away from us! Good to see you back, Chauvin.
|
| || Rick
| ||
| ||
| ||
| ||
| || ..a great prophet wise man once said to me..
| || ....what your mindset or focus is always on, is what you will get...
| ||
| ||
| ||
| ||
| || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| || news:%23obH$0tGJHA.1432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
| ||> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
| ||> news:OlRbq$qGJHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| ||>| :) you're typed words always bespeak of lawyer lingo :)
| ||>|
| ||>| hi,
| ||>|
| ||>| Rick
| ||>
| ||> After years of writing that way, its a hard habit to break... the
| ||> whole thought process changes logic, direction, and conveyance are
| ||> key and essential step outside that box and the sharks WILL get
| ||> you.....
| ||>
| ||> So whatsup wit yus...
| ||>
| ||> --
| ||> MEB
| ||> http://peoplescounsel.org
| ||> a Peoples' counsel
| ||> _ _
| ||> ~~
| ||>
| ||>|
| ||>| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| ||>| news:eQ3Z6doGJHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
| ||>| > The former site which I included in my signature is defunct and
| ||>| > should be changed to http://peoplescounsel.org
| ||>| >
| ||>| > This is provided for any parties whom might have added, included,
| ||>| > or otherwise linked to the former address or its materials.
| ||>| >
| ||>| >
| ||>| > --
| ||>| > MEB
| ||>| > http://peoplescounsel.org
| ||>| > _ _
| ||>| > ~~
| |
| | --
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | Should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| | pcrrcp@netzero.net
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
| pcrrcp@netzero.net
|
|
 
R

Rick Chauvin

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OC$as8fHJHA.4296@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl
> Ah yeah, might be - - EDT v CDT v {the numerous time zones}
>
> Let's not forget that a message may be created well before it is sent,
> and may be delayed or modified by the service provider.

I write and sent mine out on the spot though.
Yes I am in the EDT zone
I don't know why pcr sees my posts time stamp like he does.
It all looks okay on my end.

Rick

>
> --
> MEB
|
 
R

Rick Chauvin

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

> Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. That
> is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. Windows applies
> the differencial to the header before displaying it! Sheesh! Sorry! You
> must be an hour away from us! Good to see you back, Chauvin.

I have never gone anywhere, My schedule makes it so I just don't have the
extra time to post as much though.

I don't know why you see the time stamps the way you do, but mine always
shows good.

Rick


> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
P

PCR

Rick Chauvin wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
|
|> Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone.
|> That is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match.
|> Windows applies the differencial to the header before displaying it!
|> Sheesh! Sorry! You must be an hour away from us! Good to see you
|> back, Chauvin.
|
| I have never gone anywhere, My schedule makes it so I just don't have
| the extra time to post as much though.
|
| I don't know why you see the time stamps the way you do, but mine
| always shows good.

Now, I'm puzzled again-- IF you are Eastern Time (US & Canada), as you
posted to MEB.

Your header: 14:46 (2:46 PM)
My OE display: 3:46 PM

If you were in the same time zone as me, I would see those times to be
the same. But, because you are in a zone that is one hour earlier than
mine, I see the earlier time in your header. OE/Windows then makes it
right in the OE sent time display. That's what I recently realized (I
think!).

Did you run that TZEdit like I requested earlier? What did you see?

Do you have TZEdit? If not, take it from here...
http://www.softshape.com/cham/manual/tzedit.htm

TZEdit.exe goes into C\Windows\System. (The .cnt, .hlp, & .gid files go
into C\Windows\Help. However, they don't seem to work, anyhow.)

First, D-Clk your clock, & ensure you are set for the proper time zone.
Next, run TZEdit. If it shows that you have the 2006 implementation,
change it to the 2007 implementation. This will fix the dates for your
own time zone only. (Alternatively, go to Terhune's site & a take a fix
for all time zones.)

.....Quote..........
The 2006 implementation is as follows:
• Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on April 2, 2006.
• Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on October 29, 2006.

The 2007 implementation is as follows:
• Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on March 11, 2007.
• Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on November 4, 2007
.....EOQ............


| Rick
|
|
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
P

PCR

MEB wrote:
| Ah yeah, might be - - EDT v CDT v {the numerous time zones}

I still think so-- but Chauvin has confused me again by saying he is
EDT, which I take to mean Eastern Daylight Savings Time. I want to see
his TZEdit display to see whether the zone changes took!

| Let's not forget that a message may be created well before it is
| sent, and may be delayed or modified by the service provider.

I thought of that. But, I think (not perfectly sure) the time in the
header is the one used for OE's sent time no matter when it actually is
sent. If written offline yesterday & held in the Outbox, it will show up
on the server (& in OE's sent column) with yesterday's date. Probably,
that would be different if held in Drafts instead until sent. Anyhow,
Chauvin has confirmed he posts them immediately.

| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.org
| a Peoples' counsel
| _ _
| ~~
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|| PCR wrote:
|| | Rick Chauvin wrote:
|| || Understood...
|| ||
|| || ~~~~~~~~~
|| ||
|| || I be okay, good,
|| ||
|| || ~~~~~~~~~
|| ||
|| || ...the best to you Meb,
|| |
|| | I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone
|| | changes, Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps...
|| |
|| | .................... Properties ...............................
|| | ... OE ...
|| | MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM
|| | You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM
|| | MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM
|| | You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM
|| |
|| | In MEB's first post, 14:42 shows up in the properties of his post,
|| | & 2:42 PM shows up in OE. Those are the same but on a 24 & 12 hour
|| | clock. His second post shows the same times as well. But your
|| | property's times are 1 hour slow (should show 20) or the time
|| | showing in OE is one hour fast (should show 7)!
|| |
|| | Do you have TZEdit? If not, take it from here...
|| | http://www.softshape.com/cham/manual/tzedit.htm
|| |
|| | TZEdit.exe goes into C\Windows\System. (The .cnt, .hlp, & .gid
|| | files go into C\Windows\Help. However, they don't seem to work,
|| | anyhow.)
|| |
|| | First, D-Clk your clock, & ensure you are set for the proper time
|| | zone. Next, run TZEdit. If it shows that you have the 2006
|| | implementation, change it to the 2007 implementation. This will fix
|| | the dates for your own time zone only. (Alternatively, go to
|| | Terhune's site & a take a fix for all time zones.)
|| |
|| | ....Quote..........
|| | The 2006 implementation is as follows:
|| | . Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on April 2, 2006.
|| | . Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on October 29, 2006.
|| |
|| | The 2007 implementation is as follows:
|| | . Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on March 11, 2007.
|| | . Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on November 4, 2007
|| | ....EOQ............
||
|| Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone.
|| That is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match.
|| Windows applies the differencial to the header before displaying it!
|| Sheesh! Sorry! You must be an hour away from us! Good to see you
|| back, Chauvin.
||
|| || Rick
|| ||
|| ||
|| ||
|| ||
|| || ..a great prophet wise man once said to me..
|| || ....what your mindset or focus is always on, is what you will
|| || get...
|| ||
|| ||
|| ||
|| ||
|| || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
|| || news:%23obH$0tGJHA.1432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
|| ||> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
|| ||> news:OlRbq$qGJHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|| ||>| :) you're typed words always bespeak of lawyer lingo :)
|| ||>|
|| ||>| hi,
|| ||>|
|| ||>| Rick
|| ||>
|| ||> After years of writing that way, its a hard habit to break... the
|| ||> whole thought process changes logic, direction, and conveyance
|| ||> are key and essential step outside that box and the sharks WILL
|| ||> get you.....
|| ||>
|| ||> So whatsup wit yus...
|| ||>
|| ||> --
|| ||> MEB
|| ||> http://peoplescounsel.org
|| ||> a Peoples' counsel
|| ||> _ _
|| ||> ~~
|| ||>
|| ||>|
|| ||>| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
|| ||>| news:eQ3Z6doGJHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
|| ||>| > The former site which I included in my signature is defunct
|| ||>| > and should be changed to http://peoplescounsel.org
|| ||>| >
|| ||>| > This is provided for any parties whom might have added,
|| ||>| > included, or otherwise linked to the former address or its
|| ||>| > materials.
|| ||>| >
|| ||>| >
|| ||>| > --
|| ||>| > MEB
|| ||>| > http://peoplescounsel.org
|| ||>| > _ _
|| ||>| > ~~
|| |
|| | --
|| | Thanks or Good Luck,
|| | There may be humor in this post, and,
|| | Naturally, you will not sue,
|| | Should things get worse after this,
|| | PCR
|| | pcrrcp@netzero.net
||
|| --
|| Thanks or Good Luck,
|| There may be humor in this post, and,
|| Naturally, you will not sue,
|| Should things get worse after this,
|| PCR
|| pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
B

Bill Blanton

"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message news:eUJfZXnHJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
>
>> Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. That
>> is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. Windows applies
>> the differencial to the header before displaying it! Sheesh! Sorry! You
>> must be an hour away from us! Good to see you back, Chauvin.

> I don't know why you see the time stamps the way you do, but mine always
> shows good.


Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST should be
GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not.

You see it correctly because you're posting at -500 and downloading at -500,
while PCR and I are downloading your posts at -400.
 
M

MEB

"Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
news:%23BObcxqHJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:eUJfZXnHJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| >
| >
| > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
| >
| >> Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. That
| >> is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. Windows
applies
| >> the differencial to the header before displaying it! Sheesh! Sorry! You
| >> must be an hour away from us! Good to see you back, Chauvin.
|
| > I don't know why you see the time stamps the way you do, but mine always
| > shows good.
|
|
| Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST should be
| GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not.
|
| You see it correctly because you're posting at -500 and downloading
at -500,
| while PCR and I are downloading your posts at -400.
|

Hmm, yeah, Rich's posts show:
Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:42:30 -0500
Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:46:15 -0500

AHHH, the difference IS the modification when in DST [daylight savings time]
modified time zones.
-0500 GMT becomes -0400 GMT when adjusted.

All these time discussions have failed to address the HOW of software DST
adjustment when it has been made.

Using PCR's post which noted the issue:

I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone changes,
Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps...

..................... Properties ............................... ...
OE ...
MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM
You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM
MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM
You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM


When he posted the above, it showed this for his DST adjusted message:
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:02:59 -0400

However, as Bill noted, we are all in EDT -0500, but when properly applied,
software/registry DST change sets the -0500 to -0400 GMT when the patches
have been applied which impliment the congressional changes.... which is a
simple but rather sloppy way to change the time as that places those it
affects in the wrong geographic regions. So it does appear Rick has failed
to apply those changes.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~
"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:esgFZXnHJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:OC$as8fHJHA.4296@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl
| > Ah yeah, might be - - EDT v CDT v {the numerous time zones}
| >
| > Let's not forget that a message may be created well before it is sent,
| > and may be delayed or modified by the service provider.
|
| I write and sent mine out on the spot though.
| Yes I am in the EDT zone
| I don't know why pcr sees my posts time stamp like he does.
| It all looks okay on my end.
|
| Rick
|
| >
| > --
| > MEB
| |
|
|
|
 
P

PCR

MEB wrote:
| "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
| news:%23BObcxqHJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|| "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
| news:eUJfZXnHJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|| >
|| >
|| > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| > news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
|| >
|| >> Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone.
|| >> That is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match.
|| >> Windows applies the differencial to the header before displaying
|| >> it! Sheesh! Sorry! You must be an hour away from us! Good to see
|| >> you back, Chauvin.
||
|| > I don't know why you see the time stamps the way you do, but mine
|| > always shows good.
||
||
|| Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST
|| should be GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not.
||
|| You see it correctly because you're posting at -500 and downloading
| at -500,
|| while PCR and I are downloading your posts at -400.

Ah! Thanks for confirming that bit, Blanton! It was the last doubt I had
about who's time was wacky-- mine & MEB's or Chauvin's! I did guess a
while ago on my own that -500 legitimately becomes -400 during the
"savings" period-- but I wasn't absolutely sure! Good to see you popping
in again!

||
|
| Hmm, yeah, Rich's posts show:
|
| Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:42:30 -0500
| Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:46:15 -0500
|
| AHHH, the difference IS the modification when in DST [daylight
| savings time] modified time zones.
| -0500 GMT becomes -0400 GMT when adjusted.

Yep-- you, me, & Blanton all match for that! (I was hoping that was
true!)

| All these time discussions have failed to address the HOW of
| software DST adjustment when it has been made.
|
| Using PCR's post which noted the issue:
|
| I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone changes,
| Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps...
|
| .................... Properties ...............................
| ...
| OE ...
| MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM
| You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM
| MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM
| You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM
|
|
| When he posted the above, it showed this for his DST adjusted
| message: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:02:59 -0400
|
| However, as Bill noted, we are all in EDT -0500, but when properly
| applied, software/registry DST change sets the -0500 to -0400 GMT
| when the patches have been applied which impliment the congressional
| changes.... which is a simple but rather sloppy way to change the
| time as that places those it affects in the wrong geographic regions.

Yep, sloppy: It STILL shows up as -500 in the time zone dropdown
selector of the Time requestor! That's why I had doubts!

| So it does appear Rick has failed to apply those changes.

I'm still waiting to see what TZEdit reports for him.

|
| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.org
| a Peoples' counsel
| _ _
| ~~
| "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
| news:esgFZXnHJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
||
||
|| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
|| news:OC$as8fHJHA.4296@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl
|| > Ah yeah, might be - - EDT v CDT v {the numerous time zones}
|| >
|| > Let's not forget that a message may be created well before it is
|| > sent, and may be delayed or modified by the service provider.
||
|| I write and sent mine out on the spot though.
|| Yes I am in the EDT zone
|| I don't know why pcr sees my posts time stamp like he does.
|| It all looks okay on my end.
||
|| Rick
||
|| >
|| > --
|| > MEB

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
B

Bill Blanton

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uhLFsntHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
> news:%23BObcxqHJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
> news:eUJfZXnHJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | > news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
> | >
> | >> Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. That
> | >> is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. Windows
> applies
> | >> the differencial to the header before displaying it! Sheesh! Sorry! You
> | >> must be an hour away from us! Good to see you back, Chauvin.
> |
> | > I don't know why you see the time stamps the way you do, but mine always
> | > shows good.
> |
> |
> | Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST should be
> | GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not.
> |
> | You see it correctly because you're posting at -500 and downloading
> at -500,
> | while PCR and I are downloading your posts at -400.
> |
>
> Hmm, yeah, Rich's posts show:
> Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:42:30 -0500
> Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:46:15 -0500
>
> AHHH, the difference IS the modification when in DST [daylight savings time]
> modified time zones.
> -0500 GMT becomes -0400 GMT when adjusted.
>
> All these time discussions have failed to address the HOW of software DST
> adjustment when it has been made.
>
> Using PCR's post which noted the issue:
>
> I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone changes,
> Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps...
>
> .................... Properties ............................... ...
> OE ...
> MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM
> You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM
> MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM
> You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM
>
>
> When he posted the above, it showed this for his DST adjusted message:
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:02:59 -0400
>
> However, as Bill noted, we are all in EDT -0500, but when properly applied,
> software/registry DST change sets the -0500 to -0400 GMT when the patches
> have been applied which impliment the congressional changes....

IIRC, that patch just changed the day that DST starts and ends. Either way,
patched or unpatched, the DST ending day would not have arrived yet.


> which is a
> simple but rather sloppy way to change the time as that places those it
> affects in the wrong geographic regions.

GMT is a constant. If you "spring" forward an hour it's necessary to "adjust" to
reflect the new relationship to the constant. It's important that networked
systems to use the same time constant. The "time of day" is only for human
consumption -)



> So it does appear Rick has failed to apply those changes.

It could be that he turned off the "auto adjust" and set his clock back
manually. The clocks right, but offset is off.
 
M

MEB

"Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
news:eYM%23VE4HJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uhLFsntHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
| > news:%23BObcxqHJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
| > news:eUJfZXnHJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > | > news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
| > | >
| > | >> Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone.
That
| > | >> is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. Windows
| > applies
| > | >> the differencial to the header before displaying it! Sheesh! Sorry!
You
| > | >> must be an hour away from us! Good to see you back, Chauvin.
| > |
| > | > I don't know why you see the time stamps the way you do, but mine
always
| > | > shows good.
| > |
| > |
| > | Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST
should be
| > | GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not.
| > |
| > | You see it correctly because you're posting at -500 and downloading
| > at -500,
| > | while PCR and I are downloading your posts at -400.
| > |
| >
| > Hmm, yeah, Rich's posts show:
| > Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:42:30 -0500
| > Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:46:15 -0500
| >
| > AHHH, the difference IS the modification when in DST [daylight savings
time]
| > modified time zones.
| > -0500 GMT becomes -0400 GMT when adjusted.
| >
| > All these time discussions have failed to address the HOW of software
DST
| > adjustment when it has been made.
| >
| > Using PCR's post which noted the issue:
| >
| > I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone changes,
| > Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps...
| >
| > .................... Properties ............................... ...
| > OE ...
| > MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM
| > You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM
| > MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM
| > You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM
| >
| >
| > When he posted the above, it showed this for his DST adjusted message:
| > Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:02:59 -0400
| >
| > However, as Bill noted, we are all in EDT -0500, but when properly
applied,
| > software/registry DST change sets the -0500 to -0400 GMT when the
patches
| > have been applied which impliment the congressional changes....
|
| IIRC, that patch just changed the day that DST starts and ends. Either
way,
| patched or unpatched, the DST ending day would not have arrived yet.
|
|
| > which is a
| > simple but rather sloppy way to change the time as that places those it
| > affects in the wrong geographic regions.
|
| GMT is a constant. If you "spring" forward an hour it's necessary to
"adjust" to
| reflect the new relationship to the constant. It's important that
networked
| systems to use the same time constant. The "time of day" is only for human
| consumption -)

And that constant is/was GMT. However, GMT also provides area location
{longitude}, adjusting zone rather than clock is not exactly accurate.
Example - if I adjust where I'm sitting to -0400 longitude[timezonewise],
I'm sitting at the bottom of the ocean latitude-wise [somewhere off the
shore - adjusting my physical location, latitude and longitude, virtually].
Granted: *time zones* are not the same as longitude lines, having been set
by legislative activities, however, the absolute of GMT [Greenwich Mean
Time] and its relationship to the world then becomes just another
manipulative exponent, hardly what can be considered as constant if its
relationship is and can be varied *virtually*, I think a navigator using a
sextant might agree..

|
|
|
| > So it does appear Rick has failed to apply those changes.
|
| It could be that he turned off the "auto adjust" and set his clock back
| manually. The clocks right, but offset is off.
|
|
|
|

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~
 
B

Bill Blanton

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23dlSdG7HJHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
> news:eYM%23VE4HJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> | > which is a
> | > simple but rather sloppy way to change the time as that places those it
> | > affects in the wrong geographic regions.
> |
> | GMT is a constant. If you "spring" forward an hour it's necessary to
> "adjust" to
> | reflect the new relationship to the constant. It's important that
> networked
> | systems to use the same time constant. The "time of day" is only for human
> | consumption -)
>
> And that constant is/was GMT. However, GMT also provides area location
> {longitude}, adjusting zone rather than clock is not exactly accurate.
> Example - if I adjust where I'm sitting to -0400 longitude[timezonewise],
> I'm sitting at the bottom of the ocean latitude-wise [somewhere off the
> shore - adjusting my physical location, latitude and longitude, virtually].
> Granted: *time zones* are not the same as longitude lines, having been set
> by legislative activities, however, the absolute of GMT [Greenwich Mean
> Time] and its relationship to the world then becomes just another
> manipulative exponent, hardly what can be considered as constant if its
> relationship is and can be varied *virtually*, I think a navigator using a
> sextant might agree..
>

GMT/UTC is still a constant. The time at longitude 0.
The (manipulative) variable is the "time zone" factor of the equation.

If you are calculating your geographic location, you need to adjust
accordingly.
 
M

MEB

"Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
news:%23JUlEp8HJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23dlSdG7HJHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
| > news:eYM%23VE4HJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|
| > | > which is a
| > | > simple but rather sloppy way to change the time as that places those
it
| > | > affects in the wrong geographic regions.
| > |
| > | GMT is a constant. If you "spring" forward an hour it's necessary to
| > "adjust" to
| > | reflect the new relationship to the constant. It's important that
| > networked
| > | systems to use the same time constant. The "time of day" is only for
human
| > | consumption -)
| >
| > And that constant is/was GMT. However, GMT also provides area location
| > {longitude}, adjusting zone rather than clock is not exactly accurate.
| > Example - if I adjust where I'm sitting to -0400
longitude[timezonewise],
| > I'm sitting at the bottom of the ocean latitude-wise [somewhere off the
| > shore - adjusting my physical location, latitude and longitude,
virtually].
| > Granted: *time zones* are not the same as longitude lines, having been
set
| > by legislative activities, however, the absolute of GMT [Greenwich Mean
| > Time] and its relationship to the world then becomes just another
| > manipulative exponent, hardly what can be considered as constant if its
| > relationship is and can be varied *virtually*, I think a navigator using
a
| > sextant might agree..
| >
|
| GMT/UTC is still a constant. The time at longitude 0.
| The (manipulative) variable is the "time zone" factor of the equation.
|
| If you are calculating your geographic location, you need to adjust
| accordingly.

Then what you suggest is that mariners and aviators adjust their
chronometer to DST [should that be required] adding that calculation to the
equation to determine position?

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~
 
R

Rick Chauvin

"Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
news:eYM%23VE4HJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

[...]

> Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST should
> be GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not.
>
> You see it correctly because you're posting at -500 and downloading at
> -500, while PCR and I are downloading your posts at -400.

[...]

> GMT is a constant. If you "spring" forward an hour it's necessary to
> "adjust" to reflect the new relationship to the constant. It's important
> that networked systems to use the same time constant. The "time of day"
> is only for human consumption -)

[...]

>> So it does appear Rick has failed to apply those changes.

> It could be that he turned off the "auto adjust" and set his clock back
> manually. The clocks right, but offset is off.

[...]

Hi Bill,

You are quite right on all counts Bill.
I am in EST but as you said my computer is set GMT-0500 and yes I do have
Auto Adjust turned off and always have set it manually the first of the
year. I've done that since Win9x because back then it drove me crazy when
auto adjust was on it would scramble my Desktop icons when it auto
adjusted, and so out of habit right along had set my W2K/WXP that way too,
and have been staying booted and posting with XP this year anyway. I
assume XP/2K never scrambles desktop icons after an time auto adjust?

I haven't applied any updates since SP3 on this WXPro, and so am a few
months behind with that, and of course have that auto update off too.

I apologize to you three for not responding to these post earlier but I've
been swamped at work and home and have barley had time to sleep even.
Thanks for the replies PCR & MEB.

Bill, you're on XP too, so how should I set it so that my offset gets shown
correctly on all counts, not just these newsgroups. My sister in Florida
told me last week that my email timestamp was an hour off as well too even
though I see it as normal, and so I need to conform to make things show
right then.

I just now check marked the box to Auto Adjust, and my time jumped
ahead an hour which is incorrect, so I manually adjusted the clock back an
hour but leaving the box checkmarked I hope this solves the problem.

Thanks,

Rick
 
P

PCR

Rick Chauvin wrote:
| "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
| news:eYM%23VE4HJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
|
| [...]
|
|> Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST
|> should be GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not.
|>
|> You see it correctly because you're posting at -500 and downloading
|> at -500, while PCR and I are downloading your posts at -400.
|
| [...]
|
|> GMT is a constant. If you "spring" forward an hour it's necessary to
|> "adjust" to reflect the new relationship to the constant. It's
|> important that networked systems to use the same time constant. The
|> "time of day" is only for human consumption -)
|
| [...]
|
|>> So it does appear Rick has failed to apply those changes.
|
|> It could be that he turned off the "auto adjust" and set his clock
|> back manually. The clocks right, but offset is off.
|
| [...]
|
| Hi Bill,
|
| You are quite right on all counts Bill.
| I am in EST but as you said my computer is set GMT-0500 and yes I do
| have Auto Adjust turned off and always have set it manually the first
| of the year. I've done that since Win9x because back then it drove me
| crazy when auto adjust was on it would scramble my Desktop icons when
| it auto adjusted, and so out of habit right along had set my W2K/WXP
| that way too, and have been staying booted and posting with XP this
| year anyway. I assume XP/2K never scrambles desktop icons after an
| time auto adjust?
|
| I haven't applied any updates since SP3 on this WXPro, and so am a few
| months behind with that, and of course have that auto update off too.
|
| I apologize to you three for not responding to these post earlier but
| I've been swamped at work and home and have barley had time to sleep
| even. Thanks for the replies PCR & MEB.
|
| Bill, you're on XP too, so how should I set it so that my offset gets
| shown correctly on all counts, not just these newsgroups. My sister
| in Florida told me last week that my email timestamp was an hour off
| as well too even though I see it as normal, and so I need to conform
| to make things show right then.
|
| I just now check marked the box to Auto Adjust, and my time jumped
| ahead an hour which is incorrect, so I manually adjusted the clock
| back an hour but leaving the box checkmarked I hope this solves the
| problem.

You are welcome. Looks to me that did it...!...

Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:32:44 -0400 9/26/08 6:32 PM

Now I see your OE header date & my OE "sent" column date of your post
match. That is as it should be, because we are in the same time zone. It
didn't occur to me you had the auto time adjustment turned off & did it
manually. Good thinking on Blanton's part as usual. OK, I'm taking you
off my naughty list, Chauvin-- for posting responses before the OP has
posted as you did in an earlier thread!

I've never noticed my own Desktop got mussed over that the auto date
change. Next time I'll have to go look! But you always could just have
used something like WinTidy to fix that.

| Thanks,
|
| Rick

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
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