Guest jjoensuu Posted July 20, 2007 Posted July 20, 2007 Found this article that talks about a piece of spyware called "cipav", used by none less than the FBI. According to the article the organization is able to get this piece of spyware installed through the target users gmail and myspace accounts. Check for example this link: http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20070719/cipav/ or this: http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/92950 Would not surprise me if it was possible to accomplish this through yahoo and hotmail as well. Most likely all large U.S. corporations are in bed with 'who-ever-may-now-be-in-charge', just as various corporations provided silent support for Hitlers atrocities during WWII. Probably part of the reason as to why yahoo recently removed their email storage meter-P Some months ago it was in the news that google did not want to give out information about its users search queries to the government. At least they did not deny collecting data, which they do (because it is 'big business'). Better to use other search engines (like perhaps clusty?) if you care about privacy, or disable java* technologies and cookies while using yahoo or google... Quote
Guest Malke Posted July 20, 2007 Posted July 20, 2007 jjoensuu wrote: > Found this article that talks about a piece of spyware called "cipav", > used by none less than the FBI. According to the article the > organization is able to get this piece of spyware installed through > the target users gmail and myspace accounts. (snip conspiracy theory) Just for you: http://zapatopi.net/ Malke -- Elephant Boy Computers http://www.elephantboycomputers.com "Don't Panic!" MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User Quote
Guest James Matthews Posted July 20, 2007 Posted July 20, 2007 I don't know... There is a slashdot about this http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/07/19/2335251.shtml -- http://www.goldwatches.com/watches.asp?Brand=14 "Malke" <notreally@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:ObyMoHuyHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > jjoensuu wrote: >> Found this article that talks about a piece of spyware called "cipav", >> used by none less than the FBI. According to the article the >> organization is able to get this piece of spyware installed through >> the target users gmail and myspace accounts. > > (snip conspiracy theory) > > Just for you: > > http://zapatopi.net/ > > > Malke > -- > Elephant Boy Computers > http://www.elephantboycomputers.com > "Don't Panic!" > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User > Quote
Guest Milo (MSPSS) Posted July 20, 2007 Posted July 20, 2007 Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai It is possible that a regular person out on the corner town in the former USSR, or so china regulate the web has the power to create one why not the Federal Govt. themselves to help them locate and create a case against a known criminal. the equivalent name to the consipiracy theory of such was once brought out on a black hat convention. -- Milo MSPSS "James Matthews" wrote: > I don't know... There is a slashdot about this > http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/07/19/2335251.shtml > > -- > > http://www.goldwatches.com/watches.asp?Brand=14 > "Malke" <notreally@invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:ObyMoHuyHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > jjoensuu wrote: > >> Found this article that talks about a piece of spyware called "cipav", > >> used by none less than the FBI. According to the article the > >> organization is able to get this piece of spyware installed through > >> the target users gmail and myspace accounts. > > > > (snip conspiracy theory) > > > > Just for you: > > > > http://zapatopi.net/ > > > > > > Malke > > -- > > Elephant Boy Computers > > http://www.elephantboycomputers.com > > "Don't Panic!" > > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User > > > Quote
Guest Roger Abell [MVP] Posted July 21, 2007 Posted July 21, 2007 Sure, but is not a discussion of cipav, carnivore, magic lantern, etc. more appropriately posted to a "what has become of US society/ideals" newsgroup ? After all, you are not likely to find people who know and are willing to post any actual details of how these function in security newsgroups. "jjoensuu" <j_joensuu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1184942248.686333.110310@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > Found this article that talks about a piece of spyware called "cipav", > used by none less than the FBI. According to the article the > organization is able to get this piece of spyware installed through > the target users gmail and myspace accounts. > > Check for example this link: > http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20070719/cipav/ > > or this: > http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/92950 > > Would not surprise me if it was possible to accomplish this through > yahoo and hotmail as well. Most likely all large U.S. corporations are > in bed with 'who-ever-may-now-be-in-charge', just as various > corporations provided silent support for Hitlers atrocities during > WWII. Probably part of the reason as to why yahoo recently removed > their email storage meter-P > > Some months ago it was in the news that google did not want to give > out information about its users search queries to the government. At > least they did not deny collecting data, which they do (because it is > 'big business'). > > Better to use other search engines (like perhaps clusty?) if you care > about privacy, or disable java* technologies and cookies while using > yahoo or google... > Quote
Guest S. Pidgorny Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai G'day: "Milo (MSPSS)" <v-4jpaca@mssupport.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D05B49B4-A4D2-42FD-A71E-EEA09F0EBE00@microsoft.com... > It is possible that a regular person out on the corner town in the former > USSR, or so china regulate the web has the power to create one why not > the > Federal Govt. themselves to help them locate and create a case against a > known criminal. You mean, a known suspect? Many resons. The evidence will be thrown out by the court. The government will need a remote exploit, which is not always available. And so on. -- Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE -= F1 is the key =- * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp * Quote
Guest S. Pidgorny Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Hi Roger: "Roger Abell [MVP]" <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message news:%23U%23FLn1yHHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Sure, but is not a discussion of cipav, carnivore, magic lantern, etc. > more appropriately posted to a "what has become of US society/ideals" > newsgroup ? After all, you are not likely to find people who know and > are willing to post any actual details of how these function in security > newsgroups. There are many people who are willing to post details about any kind of spyware in these newsgroups. Alas, in this case there's not much substance to post details about, and not likely there's going to be. -- Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE -= F1 is the key =- * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp * Quote
Guest Ian Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote: > There are many people who are willing to post details about any kind of > spyware in these newsgroups. Alas, in this case there's not much substance > to post details about, and not likely there's going to be. True, but Confucius say, "Man use Internet Explorer.. Computer sprout strange processes in Task Manager." Wise man go to: http://mozilla.com Quote
Guest Roger Abell [MVP] Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai "Ian" <Ian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E92B38E2-295B-43CC-8D3F-426E90755807@microsoft.com... > "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote: > >> There are many people who are willing to post details about any kind of >> spyware in these newsgroups. Alas, in this case there's not much >> substance >> to post details about, and not likely there's going to be. > > True, but Confucius say, "Man use Internet Explorer.. Computer sprout > strange processes in Task Manager." > > Wise man go to: http://mozilla.com > > Hmmm. Previously I had considered Confusius as quite wisened, not finding sayings contrary to my experiences. Now I must reconsider. Actually, it is a matter of whose hands the brower client (any version) is in, both for maintanance and use. Roger Quote
Guest Wildangel Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai I have a question for you? How would or do you find out if anybody has hacked into your system? Not installing viruses or maybe they are, but are veiwing your files & documents, or just messing with your computer alittle? So things mess up here and there? Can anybody help me find out? Thank You in advance, Sandy wildangells17@hotmail.com "Ian" wrote: > "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote: > > > There are many people who are willing to post details about any kind of > > spyware in these newsgroups. Alas, in this case there's not much substance > > to post details about, and not likely there's going to be. > > True, but Confucius say, "Man use Internet Explorer.. Computer sprout > strange processes in Task Manager." > > Wise man go to: http://mozilla.com > > Quote
Guest Wildangel Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai I was wondering if anyone knew how to tell if their computer has been hacked into? Either if someone is just looking at your files or if they are messing with your system? not the FBI but a hacker in general. Where can you check on your computer? Thanks in advance, Sandy wildangells17@hotmail.com "Ian" wrote: > "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote: > > > There are many people who are willing to post details about any kind of > > spyware in these newsgroups. Alas, in this case there's not much substance > > to post details about, and not likely there's going to be. > > True, but Confucius say, "Man use Internet Explorer.. Computer sprout > strange processes in Task Manager." > > Wise man go to: http://mozilla.com > > Quote
Guest S. Pidgorny Posted July 28, 2007 Posted July 28, 2007 Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai G'day, To get unauthorised access to your information the intruder has to either modify your system (by installing a virus, or a rootkit, or another piece of spyware) or have legitimate access credentials. So you know that your system is "hacked" if it is running code that you didn't put on the system or there is activity on the system when legit users aren't supposed to do anything (like, CFO is holidaymaking in North Korea and accessing accounts at the same time). This is not an easy question - a multibillion dollar industry is trying to come up with automated ways of detecting intrusions without much success - when it comes to targeted intrusions. -- Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE -= F1 is the key =- * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp * "Wildangel" <Wildangel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:054AA96B-5BF2-4557-AB0A-856C52D15B91@microsoft.com... >I have a question for you? How would or do you find out if anybody has >hacked > into your system? Not installing viruses or maybe they are, but are > veiwing > your files & documents, or just messing with your computer alittle? So > things > mess up here and there? Can anybody help me find out? > Thank You in advance, > Sandy Quote
Guest Roger Abell [MVP] Posted July 28, 2007 Posted July 28, 2007 Re: FBI can install a piece of spyware called "cipav" through gmai "Wildangel" <Wildangel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E16A8F5C-F6FA-4305-B712-0F4D95BC4E4B@microsoft.com... >I was wondering if anyone knew how to tell if their computer has been >hacked > into? Either if someone is just looking at your files or if they are > messing > with your system? not the FBI but a hacker in general. Where can you check > on > your computer? Sandy In this day and age one really has to look everywhere, including disk image, process, and memory. While easy to ask, what you are after can be very difficult to do. It is like being at a beach and someone saying to you "There is not one single grain of sand that is blue on this beach". What must you do to tell if they say the truth? Roger > "Ian" wrote: > >> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote: >> >> > There are many people who are willing to post details about any kind of >> > spyware in these newsgroups. Alas, in this case there's not much >> > substance >> > to post details about, and not likely there's going to be. >> >> True, but Confucius say, "Man use Internet Explorer.. Computer sprout >> strange processes in Task Manager." >> >> Wise man go to: http://mozilla.com >> >> Quote
Guest jayjwa Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:37:28 -0700, jjoensuu wrote: > Found this article that talks about a piece of spyware called "cipav", > used by none less than the FBI. According to the article the > organization is able to get this piece of spyware installed through > the target users gmail and myspace accounts. > > Check for example this link: > http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20070719/cipav/ > > or this: > http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/92950 No one is watching the watchman he runs amok when he chooses. Nothing in that affidavit mentions hacking the suspect's computer, installing software on it against the wishes of the rightful owner, modifing its contents (which simply installing it will do), nor the use of spyware. My government sickens me. They are not of me, they are not for me. Day by day I am closer to renouncing US citizenship and moving overseas (where I should have stayed when I was there.) -- [RBL:Just A Bad Idea] Do not use DNS-RBL Demand your ISP stop. Tell RoadRunner/Adelphia, Netzero,etc: don't trash your mail. http://www.ifn.net/classic/rblstory.htm http://theory.whirlycott.com/~phil/antispam/rbl-bad/rbl-bad.html Finger my user name at host atr2.ath.cx for mail addr, gpg, etc. Quote
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