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Guest temmor
Posted

Hi!

 

I have a major problem. The automatic update servise causes my computer to

"freeze" 1-2 minutes after login. It is not possible to get in connection

with the computer at all. When the automatic update service is disabled

everything works fine (exept for a lot of messages about missing update, lack

of security etc)

 

I am running XP pro SP2, and the problem appeared sometime during this

summer when I was on vacation.

 

Is there anybody that can help me?

 

th

Guest Ottmar Freudenberger
Posted

"temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

> I have a major problem. The automatic update servise causes my computer to

> "freeze" 1-2 minutes after login. It is not possible to get in connection

> with the computer at all. When the automatic update service is disabled

> everything works fine (exept for a lot of messages about missing update, lack

> of security etc)

>

> I am running XP pro SP2, and the problem appeared sometime during this

> summer when I was on vacation.

 

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927891/en-us may be what you're looking

for.

 

Bye,

Freudi

Guest HEMI-Powered
Posted

=?Utf-8?B?dGVtbW9y?= added these comments in the current

discussion du jour ...

> I have a major problem. The automatic update servise causes my

> computer to "freeze" 1-2 minutes after login. It is not

> possible to get in connection with the computer at all. When

> the automatic update service is disabled everything works fine

> (exept for a lot of messages about missing update, lack of

> security etc)

>

> I am running XP pro SP2, and the problem appeared sometime

> during this summer when I was on vacation.

>

> Is there anybody that can help me?

 

I don't fully understand your situtation. Are you saying that if

you allow Automatic Update to auto-update, you lock up but if you

go to MS's update center and manually download them, you're OK?

 

Next question: if this happened earlier this summer, why didn't

you track down which MS update is the culprit? It is most likely

that, or you added/updated a driver and/or installed/upgraded an

app. In any event, when something goes wrong, you fix it -

pronto! Trying to diagnose a problem 3 months later is going to

be really tough. For example, the simplest solution to a failure

as I describe is to uninstall the errant update or whatever

and/or roll your system back to the most recent RP.

 

Next, have you ran a VERY comprehensive malware scan using more

than a free AV utility or relying on MS's Malicious Software

Removal Tool? e.g., do you use Ad-Aware and Spybot Search &

Destroy at least? Do you have a NAT router and a software

firewall such as Zone Alarm to ensure that spyware or a trojan

hasn't invaded you? and, do you regularly do a FULL system scan

for malware with whatever AV app you have or an even better one,

like eTrust Pest Patrol? If not, get on the stick, it may save

your bacon some day.

 

But, back to your current dilemma. If no one thinks of anything

constructive above my verbal spanking, you could consider either

hiring somebody like the Geek Squad OR pay MS their fee for a

tech support call. If the problem is severe enough, they may be

able to help you. If they can't they refund your fee, which is in

the $34-45 range.

 

Finally, do you own and regularly use a good HD imaging utility

like Acronis True Image? This can copy all changed files

incrementally to your HD, an external HD (preferable) or optical

(least desirable), but more importantly, it can create a FULL

partition image of your C:\ that you can use to restore your

entire system, including Windows, your installed apps, and any of

your data you have on C:\ (I have zero data on C:\, mine is on D:

\ and E:\ so it doesn't get taken down by a Windows crash).

Lacking an imaging program, and I'd guess you don't have one, you

may have to do the nuke and reinstall shuffle of Windows.

 

But, take this one step at a time in a logical and methodical

fashion from least dangerous to most dangerous/agressive until

you fix it. THEN start taking steps to prevent future meltdowns.

 

Now that I've whipped you into a pulp, for which I apologize but

I needed to get your attention, please describe in more detail

what happened when, how you first noticed it, something about

your system, what updates you think may be at fault, things you

have added/updated, new HW or SW, etc. There can be LOTS of

interlocking dependencies that can cause a distantly side-effect

problem not easily reconizable, thus tought to diagnose.

 

Good luck!

 

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

Guest temmor
Posted

I have tried that one.....it does not help.....

 

"Ottmar Freudenberger" wrote:

> "temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

>

> > I have a major problem. The automatic update servise causes my computer to

> > "freeze" 1-2 minutes after login. It is not possible to get in connection

> > with the computer at all. When the automatic update service is disabled

> > everything works fine (exept for a lot of messages about missing update, lack

> > of security etc)

> >

> > I am running XP pro SP2, and the problem appeared sometime during this

> > summer when I was on vacation.

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927891/en-us may be what you're looking

> for.

>

> Bye,

> Freudi

>

Guest temmor
Posted

I have tried that one...does not help...

 

terjem

 

"Ottmar Freudenberger" wrote:

> "temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

>

> > I have a major problem. The automatic update servise causes my computer to

> > "freeze" 1-2 minutes after login. It is not possible to get in connection

> > with the computer at all. When the automatic update service is disabled

> > everything works fine (exept for a lot of messages about missing update, lack

> > of security etc)

> >

> > I am running XP pro SP2, and the problem appeared sometime during this

> > summer when I was on vacation.

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927891/en-us may be what you're looking

> for.

>

> Bye,

> Freudi

>

Guest Ottmar Freudenberger
Posted

"temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927891/en-us may be what you're looking

>> for.

> I have tried that one.....it does not help.....

 

Both updates, KB927891 *and* Windows Update Agent 3.0?

 

Bye,

Freudi

Guest temmor
Posted

"HEMI-Powered" wrote:

> =?Utf-8?B?dGVtbW9y?= added these comments in the current

> discussion du jour ...

>

> > I have a major problem. The automatic update servise causes my

> > computer to "freeze" 1-2 minutes after login. It is not

> > possible to get in connection with the computer at all. When

> > the automatic update service is disabled everything works fine

> > (exept for a lot of messages about missing update, lack of

> > security etc)

> >

> > I am running XP pro SP2, and the problem appeared sometime

> > during this summer when I was on vacation.

> >

> > Is there anybody that can help me?

>

 

Thank you for your suggestion. Here are some more explaination:

> I don't fully understand your situtation. Are you saying that if

> you allow Automatic Update to auto-update, you lock up but if you

> go to MS's update center and manually download them, you're OK?

>

I say that my computer "freezes" after 1-2 minutes. When I use msconfig and

disables automatic update service, and then restarts the computer everything

works fine (except some warnings about disabled automatic update etc.)

 

When I try to update trough the menu system it seems like I still need the

automatic update service?

> Next question: if this happened earlier this summer, why didn't

> you track down which MS update is the culprit? It is most likely

> that, or you added/updated a driver and/or installed/upgraded an

> app. In any event, when something goes wrong, you fix it -

> pronto! Trying to diagnose a problem 3 months later is going to

> be really tough. For example, the simplest solution to a failure

> as I describe is to uninstall the errant update or whatever

> and/or roll your system back to the most recent RP.

 

BECAUSE I was away from home June 16-July 17. The problem was noticed when I

came back home (probably caused by updates from MS). However, it was

difficult to find the reason for my problem at thet time...because I was

leaving and was not returning until August 11th!!!

I can not stay home all the summer to be ready to clean up the mess

Microsoft might do to my computer!

 

By the way, I tried a aystem restore but it did not change anything

 

>

> Next, have you ran a VERY comprehensive malware scan using more

> than a free AV utility or relying on MS's Malicious Software

> Removal Tool? e.g., do you use Ad-Aware and Spybot Search &

> Destroy at least? Do you have a NAT router and a software

> firewall such as Zone Alarm to ensure that spyware or a trojan

> hasn't invaded you? and, do you regularly do a FULL system scan

> for malware with whatever AV app you have or an even better one,

> like eTrust Pest Patrol? If not, get on the stick, it may save

> your bacon some day.

 

Yes, I have run Ad-Aware and F-secure 7.0. for full system check

>

> But, back to your current dilemma. If no one thinks of anything

> constructive above my verbal spanking, you could consider either

> hiring somebody like the Geek Squad OR pay MS their fee for a

> tech support call. If the problem is severe enough, they may be

> able to help you. If they can't they refund your fee, which is in

> the $34-45 range.

 

Im not very happy with paying MS to fix a problem that seems to be

introduced by MS....

>

> Finally, do you own and regularly use a good HD imaging utility

> like Acronis True Image? This can copy all changed files

> incrementally to your HD, an external HD (preferable) or optical

> (least desirable), but more importantly, it can create a FULL

> partition image of your C:\ that you can use to restore your

> entire system, including Windows, your installed apps, and any of

> your data you have on C:\ (I have zero data on C:\, mine is on D:

> \ and E:\ so it doesn't get taken down by a Windows crash).

> Lacking an imaging program, and I'd guess you don't have one, you

> may have to do the nuke and reinstall shuffle of Windows.

>

No, I only have backup of my data files. My experience is that it is

difficult to make the operating system work 100% based on some backup. But I

might have to reconsider this...

> But, take this one step at a time in a logical and methodical

> fashion from least dangerous to most dangerous/agressive until

> you fix it. THEN start taking steps to prevent future meltdowns.

 

When automatic update service is disabled everything works fine. The problem

probably appeared when the computer received some automatic uptates when it

was turned on June 18th. So, when the automatic uptades acts like a virus it

might be best to keep it disabled?

> Now that I've whipped you into a pulp, for which I apologize but

> I needed to get your attention, please describe in more detail

> what happened when, how you first noticed it, something about

> your system, what updates you think may be at fault, things you

> have added/updated, new HW or SW, etc. There can be LOTS of

> interlocking dependencies that can cause a distantly side-effect

> problem not easily reconizable, thus tought to diagnose.

 

As you can see from the above writings the problem appeard when using the

computer June 18th (after it had been turned of for a month). And the only

thing installed this day is probably som updates from MS.

 

A Question: Is the automatic update service depending on some other services

that might be corrupted?

 

temmor

>

> Good luck!

>

>

> --

> HP, aka Jerry

>

Guest temmor
Posted

"HEMI-Powered" wrote:

> =?Utf-8?B?dGVtbW9y?= added these comments in the current

> discussion du jour ...

>

> > I have a major problem. The automatic update servise causes my

> > computer to "freeze" 1-2 minutes after login. It is not

> > possible to get in connection with the computer at all. When

> > the automatic update service is disabled everything works fine

> > (exept for a lot of messages about missing update, lack of

> > security etc)

> >

> > I am running XP pro SP2, and the problem appeared sometime

> > during this summer when I was on vacation.

> >

> > Is there anybody that can help me?

>

 

Thank you for your suggestion. Here are some more explaination:

> I don't fully understand your situtation. Are you saying that if

> you allow Automatic Update to auto-update, you lock up but if you

> go to MS's update center and manually download them, you're OK?

>

I say that my computer "freezes" after 1-2 minutes. When I use msconfig and

disables automatic update service, and then restarts the computer everything

works fine (except some warnings about disabled automatic update etc.)

 

When I try to update trough the menu system it seems like I still need the

automatic update service?

> Next question: if this happened earlier this summer, why didn't

> you track down which MS update is the culprit? It is most likely

> that, or you added/updated a driver and/or installed/upgraded an

> app. In any event, when something goes wrong, you fix it -

> pronto! Trying to diagnose a problem 3 months later is going to

> be really tough. For example, the simplest solution to a failure

> as I describe is to uninstall the errant update or whatever

> and/or roll your system back to the most recent RP.

 

BECAUSE I was away from home June 16-July 17. The problem was noticed when I

came back home (probably caused by updates from MS). However, it was

difficult to find the reason for my problem at thet time...because I was

leaving and was not returning until August 11th!!!

I can not stay home all the summer to be ready to clean up the mess

Microsoft might do to my computer!

 

By the way, I tried a aystem restore but it did not change anything

 

>

> Next, have you ran a VERY comprehensive malware scan using more

> than a free AV utility or relying on MS's Malicious Software

> Removal Tool? e.g., do you use Ad-Aware and Spybot Search &

> Destroy at least? Do you have a NAT router and a software

> firewall such as Zone Alarm to ensure that spyware or a trojan

> hasn't invaded you? and, do you regularly do a FULL system scan

> for malware with whatever AV app you have or an even better one,

> like eTrust Pest Patrol? If not, get on the stick, it may save

> your bacon some day.

 

Yes, I have run Ad-Aware and F-secure 7.0. for full system check

>

> But, back to your current dilemma. If no one thinks of anything

> constructive above my verbal spanking, you could consider either

> hiring somebody like the Geek Squad OR pay MS their fee for a

> tech support call. If the problem is severe enough, they may be

> able to help you. If they can't they refund your fee, which is in

> the $34-45 range.

 

Im not very happy with paying MS to fix a problem that seems to be

introduced by MS....

>

> Finally, do you own and regularly use a good HD imaging utility

> like Acronis True Image? This can copy all changed files

> incrementally to your HD, an external HD (preferable) or optical

> (least desirable), but more importantly, it can create a FULL

> partition image of your C:\ that you can use to restore your

> entire system, including Windows, your installed apps, and any of

> your data you have on C:\ (I have zero data on C:\, mine is on D:

> \ and E:\ so it doesn't get taken down by a Windows crash).

> Lacking an imaging program, and I'd guess you don't have one, you

> may have to do the nuke and reinstall shuffle of Windows.

>

No, I only have backup of my data files. My experience is that it is

difficult to make the operating system work 100% based on some backup. But I

might have to reconsider this...

> But, take this one step at a time in a logical and methodical

> fashion from least dangerous to most dangerous/agressive until

> you fix it. THEN start taking steps to prevent future meltdowns.

 

When automatic update service is disabled everything works fine. The problem

probably appeared when the computer received some automatic uptates when it

was turned on June 18th. So, when the automatic uptades acts like a virus it

might be best to keep it disabled?

> Now that I've whipped you into a pulp, for which I apologize but

> I needed to get your attention, please describe in more detail

> what happened when, how you first noticed it, something about

> your system, what updates you think may be at fault, things you

> have added/updated, new HW or SW, etc. There can be LOTS of

> interlocking dependencies that can cause a distantly side-effect

> problem not easily reconizable, thus tought to diagnose.

 

As you can see from the above writings the problem appeard when using the

computer June 18th (after it had been turned of for a month). And the only

thing installed this day is probably som updates from MS.

 

A Question: Is the automatic update service depending on some other services

that might be corrupted?

 

temmor

>

> Good luck!

>

>

> --

> HP, aka Jerry

>

Guest temmor
Posted

"HEMI-Powered" wrote:

> =?Utf-8?B?dGVtbW9y?= added these comments in the current

> discussion du jour ...

>

> > I have a major problem. The automatic update servise causes my

> > computer to "freeze" 1-2 minutes after login. It is not

> > possible to get in connection with the computer at all. When

> > the automatic update service is disabled everything works fine

> > (exept for a lot of messages about missing update, lack of

> > security etc)

> >

> > I am running XP pro SP2, and the problem appeared sometime

> > during this summer when I was on vacation.

> >

> > Is there anybody that can help me?

>

 

Thank you for your suggestion. Here are some more explaination:

> I don't fully understand your situtation. Are you saying that if

> you allow Automatic Update to auto-update, you lock up but if you

> go to MS's update center and manually download them, you're OK?

>

I say that my computer "freezes" after 1-2 minutes. When I use msconfig and

disables automatic update service, and then restarts the computer everything

works fine (except some warnings about disabled automatic update etc.)

 

When I try to update trough the menu system it seems like I still need the

automatic update service?

> Next question: if this happened earlier this summer, why didn't

> you track down which MS update is the culprit? It is most likely

> that, or you added/updated a driver and/or installed/upgraded an

> app. In any event, when something goes wrong, you fix it -

> pronto! Trying to diagnose a problem 3 months later is going to

> be really tough. For example, the simplest solution to a failure

> as I describe is to uninstall the errant update or whatever

> and/or roll your system back to the most recent RP.

 

BECAUSE I was away from home June 16-July 17. The problem was noticed when I

came back home (probably caused by updates from MS). However, it was

difficult to find the reason for my problem at thet time...because I was

leaving and was not returning until August 11th!!!

I can not stay home all the summer to be ready to clean up the mess

Microsoft might do to my computer!

 

By the way, I tried a aystem restore but it did not change anything

 

>

> Next, have you ran a VERY comprehensive malware scan using more

> than a free AV utility or relying on MS's Malicious Software

> Removal Tool? e.g., do you use Ad-Aware and Spybot Search &

> Destroy at least? Do you have a NAT router and a software

> firewall such as Zone Alarm to ensure that spyware or a trojan

> hasn't invaded you? and, do you regularly do a FULL system scan

> for malware with whatever AV app you have or an even better one,

> like eTrust Pest Patrol? If not, get on the stick, it may save

> your bacon some day.

 

Yes, I have run Ad-Aware and F-secure 7.0. for full system check

>

> But, back to your current dilemma. If no one thinks of anything

> constructive above my verbal spanking, you could consider either

> hiring somebody like the Geek Squad OR pay MS their fee for a

> tech support call. If the problem is severe enough, they may be

> able to help you. If they can't they refund your fee, which is in

> the $34-45 range.

 

Im not very happy with paying MS to fix a problem that seems to be

introduced by MS....

>

> Finally, do you own and regularly use a good HD imaging utility

> like Acronis True Image? This can copy all changed files

> incrementally to your HD, an external HD (preferable) or optical

> (least desirable), but more importantly, it can create a FULL

> partition image of your C:\ that you can use to restore your

> entire system, including Windows, your installed apps, and any of

> your data you have on C:\ (I have zero data on C:\, mine is on D:

> \ and E:\ so it doesn't get taken down by a Windows crash).

> Lacking an imaging program, and I'd guess you don't have one, you

> may have to do the nuke and reinstall shuffle of Windows.

>

No, I only have backup of my data files. My experience is that it is

difficult to make the operating system work 100% based on some backup. But I

might have to reconsider this...

> But, take this one step at a time in a logical and methodical

> fashion from least dangerous to most dangerous/agressive until

> you fix it. THEN start taking steps to prevent future meltdowns.

 

When automatic update service is disabled everything works fine. The problem

probably appeared when the computer received some automatic uptates when it

was turned on June 18th. So, when the automatic uptades acts like a virus it

might be best to keep it disabled?

> Now that I've whipped you into a pulp, for which I apologize but

> I needed to get your attention, please describe in more detail

> what happened when, how you first noticed it, something about

> your system, what updates you think may be at fault, things you

> have added/updated, new HW or SW, etc. There can be LOTS of

> interlocking dependencies that can cause a distantly side-effect

> problem not easily reconizable, thus tought to diagnose.

 

As you can see from the above writings the problem appeard when using the

computer June 18th (after it had been turned of for a month). And the only

thing installed this day is probably som updates from MS.

 

A Question: Is the automatic update service depending on some other services

that might be corrupted?

 

temmor

>

> Good luck!

>

>

> --

> HP, aka Jerry

>

Guest temmor
Posted

"Ottmar Freudenberger" wrote:

> "temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

>

> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927891/en-us may be what you're looking

> >> for.

>

> > I have tried that one.....it does not help.....

>

> Both updates, KB927891 *and* Windows Update Agent 3.0?

 

It is some days ago, but as I remember the KB927891 installed as normal, but

when it came to Windows Update Agent 3.0 I got the message that this was

already installed (and I did not get an option to reinstall it...)

 

temmor

>

> Bye,

> Freudi

>

Guest MowGreen [MVP]
Posted

Prior to installing the latest version of the Windows Update Agent you

should stop the Automatic Updates service to avoid that error message -

Start > Run > type in

 

net stop wuauserv

Click OK or press Enter

IF the message still comes up, then suggest you move

WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe to the root drive [the drive where WINDOWS

is installed to], usually C:\

Then click Start > Run > click the Browse button, locate

WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe on C:\, and then click the Open button

The Open: line will now look like

 

"C:\WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe"

Left click once after the last " , press the Space Bar once, and then

add this

 

/wuforce

 

The command will now appear as

 

"C:\WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe" /wuforce

Click OK or press Enter

 

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]

===============

*-343-* FDNY

Never Forgotten

===============

 

 

 

temmor wrote:

>

> "Ottmar Freudenberger" wrote:

>

>

>>"temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

>>

>>

>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927891/en-us may be what you're looking

>>>>for.

>>

>>>I have tried that one.....it does not help.....

>>

>>Both updates, KB927891 *and* Windows Update Agent 3.0?

>

>

> It is some days ago, but as I remember the KB927891 installed as normal, but

> when it came to Windows Update Agent 3.0 I got the message that this was

> already installed (and I did not get an option to reinstall it...)

>

> temmor

>

>>Bye,

>>Freudi

>>

Guest Ottmar Freudenberger
Posted

"temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

> It is some days ago, but as I remember the KB927891 installed as normal, but

> when it came to Windows Update Agent 3.0 I got the message that this was

> already installed (and I did not get an option to reinstall it...)

 

Okay, any Personal Firewall software installed then? And/or a "Transition

Pack" to change the outlook of Windows XP fundamentaly? And/or AOL-Soft-

ware?

 

You may give "netsh winsock reset" a try which you enter under "Run" in

the Start menu and click OK. Afterwards restart Windows please and see,

if that helps.

 

Bye,

Freudi

Guest temmor
Posted

"MowGreen [MVP]" wrote:

> Prior to installing the latest version of the Windows Update Agent you

> should stop the Automatic Updates service to avoid that error message -

> Start > Run > type in

>

> net stop wuauserv

> Click OK or press Enter

> IF the message still comes up, then suggest you move

> WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe to the root drive [the drive where WINDOWS

> is installed to], usually C:\

> Then click Start > Run > click the Browse button, locate

> WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe on C:\, and then click the Open button

> The Open: line will now look like

>

> "C:\WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe"

> Left click once after the last " , press the Space Bar once, and then

> add this

>

> /wuforce

>

> The command will now appear as

>

> "C:\WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe" /wuforce

> Click OK or press Enter

 

Thanks, the last suggestion helpt for the installation of Windows Update

Agent. HOWEVER, as soon as this service is installed and started the computer

dies slowly (1-3 minutes)

First it is slow to move windows on the screen, and eventually everything

stops. And there is no response from the keyboard.

The windows task manager shows no indication on increase in the use of

processor or memory, and the hard disk is silent...

 

When i disable the automatic update again (and reboot) everything works fine

 

For me it looks like it is version 3.0 of the windows update agent (or a

process started by this) that causes the problem. The problem appeared for

the first time after ver 3.0 was released

 

temmor

>

> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]

> ===============

> *-343-* FDNY

> Never Forgotten

> ===============

>

>

>

> temmor wrote:

>

> >

> > "Ottmar Freudenberger" wrote:

> >

> >

> >>"temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

> >>

> >>

> >>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927891/en-us may be what you're looking

> >>>>for.

> >>

> >>>I have tried that one.....it does not help.....

> >>

> >>Both updates, KB927891 *and* Windows Update Agent 3.0?

> >

> >

> > It is some days ago, but as I remember the KB927891 installed as normal, but

> > when it came to Windows Update Agent 3.0 I got the message that this was

> > already installed (and I did not get an option to reinstall it...)

> >

> > temmor

> >

> >>Bye,

> >>Freudi

> >>

>

Guest temmor
Posted

Thanks, for your suggestions. I finally managed to install ver 3.0 of windows

update agent.

 

HOWEVER, as soon as this service is installed and started, the computer dies

slowly (1-3 minutes)

First it is slow to move windows on the screen, and eventually everything

stops. And there is no response from the keyboard.

The windows task manager shows no indication on increase in the use of

processor or memory, and the hard disk is silent...

 

When I disable the automatic update again (and reboot) everything works fine

 

For me it looks like it is version 3.0 of the windows update agent (or a

process started by this) that causes the problem. The problem appeared for

the first time after ver 3.0 was released

 

temmor

 

 

"Ottmar Freudenberger" wrote:

> "temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

>

> > It is some days ago, but as I remember the KB927891 installed as normal, but

> > when it came to Windows Update Agent 3.0 I got the message that this was

> > already installed (and I did not get an option to reinstall it...)

>

> Okay, any Personal Firewall software installed then? And/or a "Transition

> Pack" to change the outlook of Windows XP fundamentaly? And/or AOL-Soft-

> ware?

>

> You may give "netsh winsock reset" a try which you enter under "Run" in

> the Start menu and click OK. Afterwards restart Windows please and see,

> if that helps.

>

> Bye,

> Freudi

>

Guest Ottmar Freudenberger
Posted

"temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

>> Okay, any Personal Firewall software installed then? And/or a "Transition

>> Pack" to change the outlook of Windows XP fundamentaly? And/or AOL-Soft-

>> ware?

>>

>> You may give "netsh winsock reset" a try which you enter under "Run" in

>> the Start menu and click OK. Afterwards restart Windows please and see,

>> if that helps.

> Thanks, for your suggestions. I finally managed to install ver 3.0 of windows

> update agent.

 

Ehm, pardon, but answering the questions above may help solving your

problem completely.

 

Bye,

Freudi

Guest temmor
Posted

"Ottmar Freudenberger" wrote:

> "temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

>

> >> Okay, any Personal Firewall software installed then? And/or a "Transition

> >> Pack" to change the outlook of Windows XP fundamentaly? And/or AOL-Soft-

> >> ware?

> >>

> >> You may give "netsh winsock reset" a try which you enter under "Run" in

> >> the Start menu and click OK. Afterwards restart Windows please and see,

> >> if that helps.

>

> > Thanks, for your suggestions. I finally managed to install ver 3.0 of windows

> > update agent.

>

> Ehm, pardon, but answering the questions above may help solving your

> problem completely.

>

No, I do only use the firewall included in XP

As far as I know I do not have a "transition pack". My computer is running

quite standard XP.

And no, I have not any AOL software installed

 

.....and the "netsh winsock reset" did not help.

 

Any other sUggestions?

Is the "automatic update service" initiating any other services that might

be damaged?

 

terjem

 

 

>

Guest Ottmar Freudenberger
Posted

"temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

> No, I do only use the firewall included in XP

> As far as I know I do not have a "transition pack". My computer is running

> quite standard XP.

 

Hm.

> And no, I have not any AOL software installed

 

Okay, any/which AntiVirus software then? See

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/822158 how to make sure it's not

hindering Windows/Auto Update too much.

 

Which applications are running in the background permanently?

> ....and the "netsh winsock reset" did not help.

 

Sorry.

> Is the "automatic update service" initiating any other services that might

> be damaged?

 

Have a look into the Event Viewer if there are any entries indicating

something like this: Start -> Run -> eventvwr.msc [Hit Enter key]

 

You may also try the following:

#1 Stop the Automatic Update Service (Start -> Run -> services.msc [Enter])

#2 Open an command line via Start -> Run -> cmd [Enter]

#3 Type the following line into the command line:

cd %windir%\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore [Enter]

#4 Now type the following commands:

esentutl /p datastore.edb [Enter] - Ignore the warning message.

#5 Now type the following:

esentutl /d datastore.edb [Enter]

#6 Close the command line by typing Exit and hit the [Enter] key once

again.

#7 Start the Automatic Update Service again.

 

If that still doesn't help:

 

#8 Stop the Automatic Update Service (Start -> Run -> services.msc [Enter])

#9 Delete the content of the folder "\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore"

in Windows Explorer.

#10 Restart the Automatic Update Service again.

 

HTH,

Freudi

Guest MowGreen [MVP]
Posted

Download and save KB927891, that is the second part of the fix, temmor:

 

When you use Automatic Updates to scan for updates or to apply updates

to applications that use Windows Installer, you experience issues that

involve the Svchost.exe process

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932494

 

KB927891 , for x86-32bit versions of XP, can be downloaded from:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=7A81B0CD-A0B9-497E-8A89-404327772E5A&displaylang=en

 

When the download completes close all open programs and browsers

Now run WindowsXP-KB927891-v3-x86-ENU.exe

Restart the system

 

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]

===============

*-343-* FDNY

Never Forgotten

===============

 

 

 

temmor wrote:

>

> "Ottmar Freudenberger" wrote:

>

>

>>"temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

>>

>>

>>>>Okay, any Personal Firewall software installed then? And/or a "Transition

>>>>Pack" to change the outlook of Windows XP fundamentaly? And/or AOL-Soft-

>>>>ware?

>>>>

>>>>You may give "netsh winsock reset" a try which you enter under "Run" in

>>>>the Start menu and click OK. Afterwards restart Windows please and see,

>>>>if that helps.

>>

>>>Thanks, for your suggestions. I finally managed to install ver 3.0 of windows

>>>update agent.

>>

>>Ehm, pardon, but answering the questions above may help solving your

>>problem completely.

>>

>

> No, I do only use the firewall included in XP

> As far as I know I do not have a "transition pack". My computer is running

> quite standard XP.

> And no, I have not any AOL software installed

>

> ....and the "netsh winsock reset" did not help.

>

> Any other sUggestions?

> Is the "automatic update service" initiating any other services that might

> be damaged?

>

> terjem

>

>

>

>

Guest Ottmar Freudenberger
Posted

"MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> schrieb:

> Download and save KB927891, that is the second part of the fix, temmor:

 

Ehm, "It is some days ago, but as I remember the KB927891 installed as

normal" news:17B34EF8-C3B8-4201-91EB-E14D2CA5B395@microsoft.com

 

FWIW,

Freudi

Guest MowGreen [MVP]
Posted

> It is some days ago, but as I remember the KB927891 installed as normal

 

But did it really install ? Only way to tell is to check msi31.dll which

should now be at V 3.1.4000.4039

If both WUA and KB927891 are installed than security software is the

most likely culprit ... either that or some nasty malware <w>

 

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]

===============

*-343-* FDNY

Never Forgotten

===============

 

 

Ottmar Freudenberger wrote:

> "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> schrieb:

>

>

>>Download and save KB927891, that is the second part of the fix, temmor:

>

>

> Ehm, "It is some days ago, but as I remember the KB927891 installed as

> normal" news:17B34EF8-C3B8-4201-91EB-E14D2CA5B395@microsoft.com

>

> FWIW,

> Freudi

Guest Ottmar Freudenberger
Posted

"MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> schrieb:

>> It is some days ago, but as I remember the KB927891 installed as normal

>

> But did it really install ? Only way to tell is to check msi31.dll which

> should now be at V 3.1.4000.4039

 

Well Remote Desktop isn't always available, you know? )

 

Bye,

Freu"<pssst> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/900638 </>"di

Guest temmor
Posted

Thank you for helping me.....here is the status:

 

"Ottmar Freudenberger" wrote:

> "temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

>

> > No, I do only use the firewall included in XP

> > As far as I know I do not have a "transition pack". My computer is running

> > quite standard XP.

>

> Hm.

>

> > And no, I have not any AOL software installed

>

> Okay, any/which AntiVirus software then? See

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/822158 how to make sure it's not

> hindering Windows/Auto Update too much.

 

FSecure. The virus program was the first one to suspect when I got my

problem. I uninstalled the old version and installed the latest. But the

problem still was there when FSecure was uninstalled..

>

> Which applications are running in the background permanently?

>

Trough ms config I have tried to disable them all ....unsuccessfully.

Automatic update service still "freeze" everything

> > ....and the "netsh winsock reset" did not help.

>

> Sorry.

>

> > Is the "automatic update service" initiating any other services that might

> > be damaged?

>

> Have a look into the Event Viewer if there are any entries indicating

> something like this: Start -> Run -> eventvwr.msc [Hit Enter key]

>

Could not see anything obvious...

> You may also try the following:

> #1 Stop the Automatic Update Service (Start -> Run -> services.msc [Enter])

> #2 Open an command line via Start -> Run -> cmd [Enter]

> #3 Type the following line into the command line:

> cd %windir%\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore [Enter]

> #4 Now type the following commands:

> esentutl /p datastore.edb [Enter] - Ignore the warning message.

> #5 Now type the following:

> esentutl /d datastore.edb [Enter]

> #6 Close the command line by typing Exit and hit the [Enter] key once

> again.

> #7 Start the Automatic Update Service again.

>

I tried it....didn't help

> If that still doesn't help:

>

> #8 Stop the Automatic Update Service (Start -> Run -> services.msc [Enter])

> #9 Delete the content of the folder "\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore"

> in Windows Explorer.

> #10 Restart the Automatic Update Service again.

 

This didn't help either...

 

Any more ideas?

> HTH,

> Freudi

>

Guest temmor
Posted

"MowGreen [MVP]" wrote:

> > It is some days ago, but as I remember the KB927891 installed as normal

>

> But did it really install ? Only way to tell is to check msi31.dll which

> should now be at V 3.1.4000.4039

> If both WUA and KB927891 are installed than security software is the

> most likely culprit ... either that or some nasty malware <w>

 

I have check the registry, and it seemed to be V 3.1.4000.4039 that was the

newest one.

 

Just to be sure i installed it once more....but it does not help. My problem

is still there.

 

temmor

>

> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]

> ===============

> *-343-* FDNY

> Never Forgotten

> ===============

>

>

> Ottmar Freudenberger wrote:

>

> > "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> schrieb:

> >

> >

> >>Download and save KB927891, that is the second part of the fix, temmor:

> >

> >

> > Ehm, "It is some days ago, but as I remember the KB927891 installed as

> > normal" news:17B34EF8-C3B8-4201-91EB-E14D2CA5B395@microsoft.com

> >

> > FWIW,

> > Freudi

>

Guest Ottmar Freudenberger
Posted

"temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

>> Okay, any/which AntiVirus software then? See

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/822158 how to make sure it's not

>> hindering Windows/Auto Update too much.

>

> FSecure. The virus program was the first one to suspect when I got my

> problem. I uninstalled the old version and installed the latest. But the

> problem still was there when FSecure was uninstalled..

 

Did you configure FSecure the way mentioned in the MSKB article above?

See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/900638 too.

 

Bye,

Freudi

Guest temmor
Posted

"Ottmar Freudenberger" wrote:

> "temmor" <temmor@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb:

>

> >> Okay, any/which AntiVirus software then? See

> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/822158 how to make sure it's not

> >> hindering Windows/Auto Update too much.

> >

> > FSecure. The virus program was the first one to suspect when I got my

> > problem. I uninstalled the old version and installed the latest. But the

> > problem still was there when FSecure was uninstalled..

>

> Did you configure FSecure the way mentioned in the MSKB article above?

> See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/900638 too.

>

 

Some more time with me, the computer and the reset button.

 

I have tried to exclude the listed files from the virusscan.....but without

any result.

 

By the way, I could not find any Wsusscan.cab

 

Anyway, I do not think it is likely that my antivirus application is the

reason for the problem.The computer was still "freezing" when I had

uninstalled Fsecure (before upgrading to a newer version).

 

temmor

 

> Bye,

> Freudi

>

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