Guest FromTheRafters Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Now why would you go and bring *that* up! ....you some kinda troublemaker! :oD "JD" wrote in message news:ettrJzswKHA.4636@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > David Kaye wrote: >> Jordon wrote: >> >>> C'mon Dave. The usenet has been around almost as long as the >>> internet. You sound as if this is something new to you. >>> >> >> No, but I'm used to some of the more civilized newsgroups. Well >> there are a >> few...honest... >> > > Wait until the question of top or bottom posting comes back around. Oh > boy! > > Or subscribe to Alt.Privacy.Spyware. Talk about tirades! > > -- > JD.. Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Bump! ~BD~ wrote: > > Purely out of general interest, *do* you have any formal training and/or > qualifications behind you? > Quote
Guest jen Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 "David Kaye" wrote in message news:hnfrrg$lqs$3@news.eternal-september.org... > Jordon wrote: >>C'mon Dave. The usenet has been around almost as long as the >>internet. You sound as if this is something new to you. > No, but I'm used to some of the more civilized newsgroups. Well there > are a > few...honest... Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it. ~Gene Spafford - 1992~ -jen Quote
Guest RJK Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 "jen" wrote in message news:OrrTEXwwKHA.732@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > "David Kaye" wrote in message > news:hnfrrg$lqs$3@news.eternal-september.org... >> Jordon wrote: >>>C'mon Dave. The usenet has been around almost as long as the >>>internet. You sound as if this is something new to you. >> No, but I'm used to some of the more civilized newsgroups. Well there >> are a >> few...honest... > > Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, > difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of > mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it. > ~Gene Spafford - 1992~ > > -jen I sort of agree, Usenet is extremely useful, MS NG's are extremely useful, ((Tiscali (now TalkTalk NNTP service is crap btw)), ....and having been following this thread, and several others where, "The Real Truth," obviously needs to be exposed, I've been lurking, and researching, and with the "behind the scenes" help of six ISP admins, I can now, HERE on this NG, (should anyone desire it), publish the name and home address of ~BD~ ....enjoy :-) regards, Richard Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 RJK wrote: > "jen" wrote in message > news:OrrTEXwwKHA.732@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> "David Kaye" wrote in message >> news:hnfrrg$lqs$3@news.eternal-september.org... >>> Jordon wrote: >>>> C'mon Dave. The usenet has been around almost as long as the >>>> internet. You sound as if this is something new to you. >>> No, but I'm used to some of the more civilized newsgroups. Well there >>> are a >>> few...honest... >> >> Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, >> difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of >> mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it. >> ~Gene Spafford - 1992~ >> >> -jen > > I sort of agree, Usenet is extremely useful, MS NG's are extremely useful, > ((Tiscali (now TalkTalk NNTP service is crap btw)), > ...and having been following this thread, and several others where, "The > Real Truth," obviously needs to be exposed, I've been lurking, and > researching, and with the "behind the scenes" help of six ISP admins, I can > now, HERE on this NG, (should anyone desire it), publish the name and home > address of ~BD~ ....enjoy :-) > > regards, Richard > > Perhaps you'd be kind enough to email me *first* Richard? It is, and always has been BoaterDave at hotmail.co.uk Thank you Dave Quote
Guest David H. Lipman Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 From: "RJK" | I sort of agree, Usenet is extremely useful, MS NG's are extremely useful, | ((Tiscali (now TalkTalk NNTP service is crap btw)), | ...and having been following this thread, and several others where, "The | Real Truth," obviously needs to be exposed, I've been lurking, and | researching, and with the "behind the scenes" help of six ISP admins, I can | now, HERE on this NG, (should anyone desire it), publish the name and home | address of ~BD~ ....enjoy :-) | regards, Richard Go for it Richard! :-) -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
Guest T.H Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 David H. Lipman wrote: > From: "RJK" > > > > > | I sort of agree, Usenet is extremely useful, MS NG's are extremely useful, > | ((Tiscali (now TalkTalk NNTP service is crap btw)), > | ...and having been following this thread, and several others where, "The > | Real Truth," obviously needs to be exposed, I've been lurking, and > | researching, and with the "behind the scenes" help of six ISP admins, I can > | now, HERE on this NG, (should anyone desire it), publish the name and home > | address of ~BD~ ....enjoy :-) > > | regards, Richard > > Go for it Richard! :-) > > Seconded! Quote
Guest Andy Medina Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 "T.H" wrote in message news:f6KdnXsFUf6bywHWnZ2dnUVZ_jYAAAAA@insightbb.com... > David H. Lipman wrote: >> From: "RJK" >> >> | I sort of agree, Usenet is extremely useful, MS NG's are extremely >> useful, >> | ((Tiscali (now TalkTalk NNTP service is crap btw)), >> | ...and having been following this thread, and several others where, >> "The >> | Real Truth," obviously needs to be exposed, I've been lurking, and >> | researching, and with the "behind the scenes" help of six ISP admins, I >> can >> | now, HERE on this NG, (should anyone desire it), publish the name and >> home >> | address of ~BD~ ....enjoy :-) >> >> | regards, Richard >> >> Go for it Richard! :-) >> >> > Seconded! I third the motion. So, are BD and TRT two "personas" of the same Sybil type character? ) Quote
Guest The Real Truth MVP Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 And then what happens? you all gather around his house and get arrested for Stalking? What could possibly be gained by doing that except exposing oneself as being a jerk and a troll. -- The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/ *WARNING* Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below. They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste your time. David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos. "T.H" wrote in message news:f6KdnXsFUf6bywHWnZ2dnUVZ_jYAAAAA@insightbb.com... > David H. Lipman wrote: >> From: "RJK" >> >> >> >> >> | I sort of agree, Usenet is extremely useful, MS NG's are extremely >> useful, >> | ((Tiscali (now TalkTalk NNTP service is crap btw)), >> | ...and having been following this thread, and several others where, >> "The >> | Real Truth," obviously needs to be exposed, I've been lurking, and >> | researching, and with the "behind the scenes" help of six ISP admins, I >> can >> | now, HERE on this NG, (should anyone desire it), publish the name and >> home >> | address of ~BD~ ....enjoy :-) >> >> | regards, Richard >> >> Go for it Richard! :-) >> >> > Seconded! Quote
Guest JD Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 The Real Truth MVP wrote: > And then what happens? you all gather around his house and get arrested > for Stalking? What could possibly be gained by doing that except > exposing oneself as being a jerk and a troll. > > Now we have you calling the kettle black. Or are you the pot? If anybody knows about "stalking" or being a "jerk" and a "troll" well, any mirrors in your house? You are a piece of work Chris. -- JD.. Quote
Guest Leythos Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 In article , trt@void.com says... > > And then what happens? you all gather around his house and get arrested for > Stalking? What could possibly be gained by doing that except exposing > oneself as being a jerk and a troll. The only stalker that most of us have seen is you, PCBUTTS1, having stalked David and myself through almost every post you make, having created a website in my name, having impersonated both of us numerous times.... -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest RJK Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 "David H. Lipman" wrote in message news:uXu%23CJxwKHA.6140@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > From: "RJK" > > > > > | I sort of agree, Usenet is extremely useful, MS NG's are extremely > useful, > | ((Tiscali (now TalkTalk NNTP service is crap btw)), > | ...and having been following this thread, and several others where, "The > | Real Truth," obviously needs to be exposed, I've been lurking, and > | researching, and with the "behind the scenes" help of six ISP admins, I > can > | now, HERE on this NG, (should anyone desire it), publish the name and > home > | address of ~BD~ ....enjoy :-) > > | regards, Richard > > Go for it Richard! :-) > > > -- > Dave > http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html > Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp > > ....I'd better not ! ....though, here's hoping it gave a certain person a fright ! regards, Richard Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Peter Foldes wrote: > ROFLMAO. Deja Vu . Here we go again .BD sniffed out another bad guy > To the contrary. I have no doubt that Honest Dave is exactly that - honest and true. -- Dave BD - another honest poster! Quote
Guest Andy Medina Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 "David Kaye" wrote in message news:hnc33k$fv5$2@news.eternal-september.org... > In the 8+ years I've been troubleshooting this stuff as a freelancer, and > the > previous 10 years I worked in programming and tech support I have never > been > asked about my education by anybody, not even when I was the lead > developer > and chief software architect for a company making software to assist in > organ > transplants. I get asked that question a lot. But it's NOT because folks are inquiring about my qualifications to perform a job. It comes AFTER I fix something that many before me have tried and failed to fix and the client is amazed I succeeded. It's a compliment in that they wonder why I succeeded while others failed. Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Andy Medina wrote: > "David Kaye" wrote in message > news:hnc33k$fv5$2@news.eternal-september.org... > >> In the 8+ years I've been troubleshooting this stuff as a freelancer, >> and the >> previous 10 years I worked in programming and tech support I have >> never been >> asked about my education by anybody, not even when I was the lead >> developer >> and chief software architect for a company making software to assist >> in organ >> transplants. > > I get asked that question a lot. But it's NOT because folks are > inquiring about my qualifications to perform a job. It comes AFTER I fix > something that many before me have tried and failed to fix and the > client is amazed I succeeded. It's a compliment in that they wonder why > I succeeded while others failed. What is the secret of *your* success, Andy? -- Dave Quote
Guest Leythos Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 In article , gmedina@email.arizona.edu says... > I get asked that question a lot. But it's NOT because folks are inquiring > about my qualifications to perform a job. It comes AFTER I fix something > that many before me have tried and failed to fix and the client is amazed I > succeeded. It's a compliment in that they wonder why I succeeded while > others failed. > In the 30+ years of working on computers and networks the only time I've been asked for credentials is from HR managers that don't know anything about IT and from people that have a ton of initials after their name and don't appear to know anything related to this initials. When people ask me what classes to take, well, I tell them that there are no real classes for what we do today, it's something that you can either learn on your own or you'll just be one of the level I or level II support types all your life. It's like any schooling you could take, it's enough to get you started, but you're not any good if you stop with what they teach in school. To be really good, at the architect level, or at the Level V support class, you need to live, eat, sleep computers and their designs, it's something in your blood and mindset. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest Andy Medina Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 "~BD~" wrote in message news:D6ydnTyO35mG3wDWnZ2dnUVZ7qpi4p2d@bt.com... > Andy Medina wrote: >> "David Kaye" wrote in message >> news:hnc33k$fv5$2@news.eternal-september.org... >> >>> In the 8+ years I've been troubleshooting this stuff as a freelancer, >>> and the previous 10 years I worked in programming and tech support >>> I have never been asked about my education by anybody, not even >>> when I was the lead developer and chief software architect for a >>> company making software to assist in organ transplants. >> >> I get asked that question a lot. But it's NOT because folks are >> inquiring about my qualifications to perform a job. It comes AFTER I fix >> something that many before me have tried and failed to fix and the >> client is amazed I succeeded. It's a compliment in that they wonder why >> I succeeded while others failed. > > What is the secret of *your* success, Andy? Usually it's being able to think "outside the box" and approaching the system/problem "holistically". Quote
Guest Peter Foldes Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 +1 -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "Leythos" wrote in message news:MPG.260718e69941f50e98a1b2@us.news.astraweb.com... > In article , > gmedina@email.arizona.edu says... >> I get asked that question a lot. But it's NOT because folks are inquiring >> about my qualifications to perform a job. It comes AFTER I fix something >> that many before me have tried and failed to fix and the client is amazed I >> succeeded. It's a compliment in that they wonder why I succeeded while >> others failed. >> > > In the 30+ years of working on computers and networks the only time I've > been asked for credentials is from HR managers that don't know anything > about IT and from people that have a ton of initials after their name > and don't appear to know anything related to this initials. > > When people ask me what classes to take, well, I tell them that there > are no real classes for what we do today, it's something that you can > either learn on your own or you'll just be one of the level I or level > II support types all your life. > > It's like any schooling you could take, it's enough to get you started, > but you're not any good if you stop with what they teach in school. To > be really good, at the architect level, or at the Level V support class, > you need to live, eat, sleep computers and their designs, it's something > in your blood and mindset. > > -- > You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little > voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. > Trust yourself. > spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Andy Medina wrote: > "~BD~" wrote in message > news:D6ydnTyO35mG3wDWnZ2dnUVZ7qpi4p2d@bt.com... >> Andy Medina wrote: >>> "David Kaye" wrote in message >>> news:hnc33k$fv5$2@news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>>> In the 8+ years I've been troubleshooting this stuff as a >>>> freelancer, and the previous 10 years I worked in programming and >>>> tech support >>>> I have never been asked about my education by anybody, not even >>>> when I was the lead developer and chief software architect for a >>>> company making software to assist in organ transplants. >>> >>> I get asked that question a lot. But it's NOT because folks are >>> inquiring about my qualifications to perform a job. It comes AFTER I fix >>> something that many before me have tried and failed to fix and the >>> client is amazed I succeeded. It's a compliment in that they wonder why >>> I succeeded while others failed. >> >> What is the secret of *your* success, Andy? > > Usually it's being able to think "outside the box" and approaching the > system/problem "holistically". > Well, full marks to you! 10/10 Out of interest, *do* you have 'computing' qualifications as well? -- Dave (just a user!) Quote
Guest Andy Medina Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 "~BD~" wrote in message news:78ydnWAG_LpPywDWnZ2dnUVZ7sSdnZ2d@bt.com... > Andy Medina wrote: >> Usually it's being able to think "outside the box" and approaching the >> system/problem "holistically". > > Well, full marks to you! 10/10 > > Out of interest, *do* you have 'computing' qualifications as well? The *majority* of my 'knowledge' came from the "school of of hard-knocks", AKA experience, and continuous learning. But, no, I do not have 'computing' qualifications. What I got started with, years ago, is a BS EET. What is interesting is some qualifications for jobs state that 2 years experience is equal to 1 year of school. It should be the other way round. Quote
Guest David Kaye Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 "Andy Medina" wrote: >Usually it's being able to think "outside the box" and approaching the >system/problem "holistically". I *like* that. Honest Dave, the wholistic computer fixer. It'll play very well in Marin County. Heck, I could sprinkle a little lavender water on the case and make the computer smell good, too... Ooops, sorry Andy. You should be the holistic computer fixer... Quote
Guest David Kaye Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Leythos wrote: >When people ask me what classes to take, well, I tell them that there >are no real classes for what we do today, it's something that you can >either learn on your own or [....] When I used to be lead software developer and had to interview prospective programmers I noticed that the best way to check if somebody knew what they were doing was not the schooling on the resume but whether or not they had a copy of the programming environment at home and whether they did any hobby programming. If they did they could easily run circles around others. We'd test for competency by telling the applicant: "We'd like you to connect to a database, select first and last names and put them into a text box sorted by first name. We don't care which method you use to connect to the database, how the application looks, or what code you use to write it. AND it's open book. You can use any help screen or any book in our programming library." It's funny that the "educated" applicants tended to stare at the blank screen for half an hour and do nothing. We had a couple people storm out complaining at the "indignity" or whatever. One woman who applied asked to go to the bathroom and never returned. But the hobbyists could knock out the simple program in about 10 minutes. Quote
Guest NT Canuck Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 "David Kaye" wrote in message news:hnkeuh$trm$6@news.eternal-september.org... > We'd test for competency by telling the applicant: "We'd like you to > connect > to a database, select first and last names and put them into a text box > sorted > by first name. We don't care which method you use to connect to the > database, > how the application looks, or what code you use to write it. AND it's > open > book. You can use any help screen or any book in our programming > library." You could do that in 1980 using basic...maybe 10 lines (strings/sort). In 1990 (or a bit earlier with black box) using SQL, a few years later with Autocad, but today I'd scratch my head too. ) -- 'Seek and ye shall find' NT Canuck Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 David Kaye wrote: > "NT Canuck" wrote: > >> You could do that in 1980 using basic...maybe 10 lines (strings/sort). >> In 1990 (or a bit earlier with black box) using SQL, a few years >> later with Autocad, but today I'd scratch my head too. ) > > We provided the location of the database (open, no password, no encryption) > and the programming environment. In this case it was VB and we had > specifically advertised for a VB developer, but it could just as well have > been C++ or whatever. Anybody with any programming experience and carte > blanche to write the code in any method they wished, open book, should have > been able to do it. And people did do it. We hired 4 developers that way. > But I don't believe any of them had CS degrees. They were all hobbyists, > though they had worked in programming, at least somewhat prior. > > > I do understand exactly what you are inferring, Dave. The only degree *I* have is from the UOL! Notwithstanding, what is the reason for you deciding not to answer the specific question I asked you, viz:- "Out of interest, *do* you have 'computing' qualifications as well?" It matters not one jot whether you do or not - I was/am simply curious. -- Dave Quote
Guest David H. Lipman Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 From: "David Kaye" | "Andy Medina" wrote: >>Usually it's being able to think "outside the box" and approaching the >>system/problem "holistically". | I *like* that. Honest Dave, the wholistic computer fixer. It'll play very | well in Marin County. Heck, I could sprinkle a little lavender water on the | case and make the computer smell good, too... | Ooops, sorry Andy. You should be the holistic computer fixer... Hmmmmm... I didn't think it was "lavender water" being used in Marin County. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
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