Guest Rumpus Posted September 23, 2007 Posted September 23, 2007 I had to reinstall vista last week as the dvd player stopped woriing now I can't update my system. Bit is enabled and allowed through the firewall. I have tried install automatically, download and let me choose and let me choose which to download and install. I have left my pc on for hrs idle in the hope vista would download them when I wasn't using it. Still nothing. Is there a awy get vista to start downloading updates at the click of a button or does it have to wait and do it in it's own time. I've been trying different options for a wek with no real joy. 2 updates appear to have completed on the 20 but nothing since. heres a small snippet from my windowsupdate.log ******************************** 2007-09-21 22:28:54:794 1056 734 Agent Setting download properties on call 39DB8089-2401-4114-80CE-D430C7571FDE: priority=2, interactive=0, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=-1 2007-09-21 22:28:54:797 1056 734 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 3 to 2. 2007-09-21 22:28:54:797 1056 734 Agent Setting download properties on call A1754EEF-42CC-4133-9447-182C7183DBDF: priority=2, interactive=0, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=-1 2007-09-21 22:28:54:801 1056 734 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 3 to 1. 2007-09-21 22:28:54:801 1056 734 Agent Setting download properties on call C100B385-C680-4691-B9B2-4F86B46426FD: priority=1, interactive=0, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=-1 2007-09-21 22:28:54:807 1056 734 AU Piggybacking on an AU detection already in progress 2007-09-21 22:28:54:807 1056 734 AU AU setting pending client directive to 'Install Complete Ux' 2007-09-21 22:28:54:807 1056 734 AU Changing existing AU client directive from 'Progress Ux' to 'Install Complete Ux', session id = 0x1 2007-09-21 22:28:54:807 1056 734 AU AU setting pending client directive to 'Download Progress' 2007-09-21 22:28:54:808 1056 734 AU Existing AU client cannot show the pending directive, session id = 0x1 2007-09-21 22:28:54:809 1056 734 AU Notifying existing AU client to shut down, session id = 0x1 2007-09-21 22:28:54:811 1056 734 AU Existing AU client cannot show the pending directive, session id = 0x1 2007-09-21 22:28:54:844 1056 c94 AU AU received handle event 2007-09-21 22:28:54:847 1056 b78 AU WARNING: Returning due to error from GetDownloadProgressUx, error = 0x8024000C 2007-09-21 22:28:54:847 1056 b78 AU WARNING: GetInteractiveInstallProgress failed, error = 0x8024000C 2007-09-21 22:29:09:846 1056 c94 AU WARNING: AU found no suitable session to launch client in ******************************* 2007-09-23 22:34:25:963 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:25:963 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call E4233E22-EC45-42B0-85DC-D7BF0A4E92E0: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:25:965 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:25:965 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call 34C2B438-A514-43EC-AA7A-913F1A4D9624: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:25:969 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:25:969 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call 0D65BA10-1E99-400C-9A0D-61E3B8C7FA23: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:25:972 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:25:973 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call 5687CB98-E871-4869-9BF5-E6C80D2DECE9: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:25:976 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:25:976 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call 5AC3844A-9586-4038-A91E-9C8DA0407F0B: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:25:990 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:25:990 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call CC4B3469-4AD1-4616-A39C-794D2105FA42: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:25:993 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:25:994 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call F4D7ECFD-2943-4A16-B703-83FBB53960E5: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:25:996 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:25:997 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call 378AB076-E6DA-4855-89B0-2D74DA3FDA48: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:26:004 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:26:004 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call 290BF97D-4645-4C49-B7A6-60D74D2A2D04: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:26:007 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:26:007 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call D56CD94E-2156-417E-A89A-D0C842274FF6: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:26:010 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:26:010 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call C67378AA-8549-4A30-A20E-7B5F5C18A830: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:26:022 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:26:022 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call CEDDBDD0-6008-42FE-9916-254B201C8AE6: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:26:025 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:26:026 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call 34D60F63-AF3F-4D3B-858F-174D65632F87: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:26:029 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:26:029 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call 39DB8089-2401-4114-80CE-D430C7571FDE: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:26:036 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:26:037 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call A1754EEF-42CC-4133-9447-182C7183DBDF: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:26:050 1032 1f00 AU UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 1 to 3. 2007-09-23 22:34:26:050 1032 1f00 Agent Setting download properties on call C100B385-C680-4691-B9B2-4F86B46426FD: priority=3, interactive=1, owner is system=1, proxy settings=1, proxy session id=1 2007-09-23 22:34:26:054 1032 1f00 AU ############# 2007-09-23 22:34:26:054 1032 1f00 AU ## START ## AU: Download updates 2007-09-23 22:34:26:054 1032 1f00 AU ######### 2007-09-23 22:34:26:054 1032 1f00 AU # Found no download approved updates. 2007-09-23 22:34:26:054 1032 1f00 AU ######### 2007-09-23 22:34:26:054 1032 1f00 AU ## END ## AU: Download updates 2007-09-23 22:34:26:054 1032 1f00 AU ############# 2007-09-23 22:41:24:820 1032 15dc AU ########### AU: Setting new AU options ########### 2007-09-23 22:41:24:820 1032 15dc AU Setting AU Approval Type to 3 2007-09-23 22:41:24:820 1032 15dc AU # Policy changed, AU refresh required = No 2007-09-23 22:41:24:820 1032 15dc AU # Approval type: Pre-install notify (User preference) 2007-09-23 22:41:24:820 1032 15dc AU # Auto-install minor updates: No (User preference) 2007-09-23 22:41:24:820 1032 15dc AU AU settings changed through User Preference.
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted September 23, 2007 Posted September 23, 2007 Rumpus wrote: > I had to reinstall vista last week as the dvd player stopped > woriing now I can't update my system. > > Bit is enabled and allowed through the firewall. > > I have tried install automatically, download and let me choose and > let me choose which to download and install. > > I have left my pc on for hrs idle in the hope vista would download > them when I wasn't using it. Still nothing. > > Is there a awy get vista to start downloading updates at the click > of a button or does it have to wait and do it in it's own time. > > I've been trying different options for a wek with no real joy. 2 > updates appear to have completed on the 20 but nothing since. 44?! -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest Rumpus Posted September 23, 2007 Posted September 23, 2007 40 now I unticked a few. 33 are ms updates for security, meddia centre and office 2007 starting to get really fed up with this updates business it used to work a dream. My old xp machine manages without a problem. I've reduced the download to the 22 that look to be more important but =it still sitting on 0& complete latest windowsdownload log ******************* 2007-09-23 23:25:44:075 1032 1e60 AU Piggybacking on an AU detection already in progress 2007-09-23 23:25:44:084 1032 1e60 AU AU setting pending client directive to 'Install Complete Ux' 2007-09-23 23:25:44:084 1032 1e60 AU Changing existing AU client directive from 'Progress Ux' to 'Install Complete Ux', session id = 0x1 2007-09-23 23:25:44:085 1032 1e60 AU AU setting pending client directive to 'Download Progress' 2007-09-23 23:25:44:086 1032 1e60 AU Existing AU client cannot show the pending directive, session id = 0x1 2007-09-23 23:25:44:086 1032 1e60 AU Notifying existing AU client to shut down, session id = 0x1 2007-09-23 23:25:44:088 1032 1e60 AU Existing AU client cannot show the pending directive, session id = 0x1 2007-09-23 23:25:44:199 1032 d08 AU AU received handle event 2007-09-23 23:25:44:208 1032 370 AU WARNING: Returning due to error from GetDownloadProgressUx, error = 0x8024000C 2007-09-23 23:25:44:208 1032 370 AU WARNING: GetInteractiveInstallProgress failed, error = 0x8024000C 2007-09-23 23:25:59:203 1032 d08 AU WARNING: AU found no suitable session to launch client in 2007-09-23 23:28:41:168 1032 1838 AU AU received approval from Ux for 24 updates 2007-09-23 23:28:41:168 1032 1838 AU AU setting pending client directive to 'Progress Ux' 2007-09-23 23:28:41:847 1032 197c AU BeginInteractiveInstall invoked for Download 2007-09-23 23:28:41:847 1032 197c AU Auto-approved 0 update(s) for download (for Ux) 2007-09-23 23:28:41:848 1032 197c AU UpdateDownloadProperties: 40 download(s) are still in progress. 2007-09-23 23:28:41:848 1032 197c AU lots of this...... UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. 2007-09-23 23:28:41:848 1032 197c Agent Setting download properties on call BAF92869-3D63-42CD-848A- 2007-09-23 23:28:42:145 1032 197c AU then this ############# 2007-09-23 23:28:42:145 1032 197c AU ## START ## AU: Download updates 2007-09-23 23:28:42:145 1032 197c AU ######### 2007-09-23 23:28:42:145 1032 197c AU # Found no download approved updates. 2007-09-23 23:28:42:145 1032 197c AU ######### 2007-09-23 23:28:42:145 1032 197c AU ## END ## AU: Download updates 2007-09-23 23:28:42:145 1032 197c AU ############# "Shenan Stanley" wrote: > Rumpus wrote: > > I had to reinstall vista last week as the dvd player stopped > > woriing now I can't update my system. > > > > Bit is enabled and allowed through the firewall. > > > > I have tried install automatically, download and let me choose and > > let me choose which to download and install. > > > > I have left my pc on for hrs idle in the hope vista would download > > them when I wasn't using it. Still nothing. > > > > Is there a awy get vista to start downloading updates at the click > > of a button or does it have to wait and do it in it's own time. > > > > I've been trying different options for a wek with no real joy. 2 > > updates appear to have completed on the 20 but nothing since. > > 44?! > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > >
Guest antioch Posted September 23, 2007 Posted September 23, 2007 "Rumpus" <Rumpus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:AD935095-E2C6-41CC-98A0-A01C785F6282@microsoft.com... >I had to reinstall vista last week as the dvd player stopped woriing now I > can't update my system. > Bit is enabled and allowed through the firewall. > I have tried install automatically, download and let me choose and let me > choose which to download and install. > I have left my pc on for hrs idle in the hope vista would download them > when > I wasn't using it. Still nothing. > Is there a awy get vista to start downloading updates at the click of a > button or does it have to wait and do it in it's own time. > I've been trying different options for a wek with no real joy. 2 updates > appear to have completed on the 20 but nothing since. Rumpus Have you tried to download to disc then install from that. Those running XP and updating from SP2 with some 80 plus have found this method OK though rather time consuming - might also work in Vista - I don't know. Print out the list of critical/security ones offered. Go to the download search page, like here http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/Browse.aspx?displaylang=en&categoryid=7 Type in the KB number in the order given - download. Write to disk - then disconnect from the net - disable all security progs and make sure nothing is running in the background. Clean out all temps, cookies, tifs, etc - I don't know what use you have had since the install, but I would suppose full AV and antispy wouldn't hurt either - then install one at a time. Most will prob want you to reboot, but I don't think it will hurt to do four or five then reboot. Then do the same for the software you want. Don't forget to enable all your security progs before reconnecting to the net. The best of luck to you. Rgds Antioch
Guest Rumpus Posted September 23, 2007 Posted September 23, 2007 what does this mean, Is this the source of my problems? ************************ WARNING: AU found no suitable session to launch client in ***************************** "Rumpus" wrote: > 40 now I unticked a few. > > 33 are ms updates for security, meddia centre and office 2007 > > starting to get really fed up with this updates business it used to work a > dream. My old xp machine manages without a problem. > > I've reduced the download to the 22 that look to be more important but =it > still sitting on 0& complete > > latest windowsdownload log > > > ******************* > > 2007-09-23 23:25:44:075 1032 1e60 AU Piggybacking on an AU detection already > in progress > 2007-09-23 23:25:44:084 1032 1e60 AU AU setting pending client directive to > 'Install Complete Ux' > 2007-09-23 23:25:44:084 1032 1e60 AU Changing existing AU client directive > from 'Progress Ux' to 'Install Complete Ux', session id = 0x1 > 2007-09-23 23:25:44:085 1032 1e60 AU AU setting pending client directive to > 'Download Progress' > 2007-09-23 23:25:44:086 1032 1e60 AU Existing AU client cannot show the > pending directive, session id = 0x1 > 2007-09-23 23:25:44:086 1032 1e60 AU Notifying existing AU client to shut > down, session id = 0x1 > 2007-09-23 23:25:44:088 1032 1e60 AU Existing AU client cannot show the > pending directive, session id = 0x1 > 2007-09-23 23:25:44:199 1032 d08 AU AU received handle event > 2007-09-23 23:25:44:208 1032 370 AU WARNING: Returning due to error from > GetDownloadProgressUx, error = 0x8024000C > 2007-09-23 23:25:44:208 1032 370 AU WARNING: GetInteractiveInstallProgress > failed, error = 0x8024000C > 2007-09-23 23:25:59:203 1032 d08 AU WARNING: AU found no suitable session to > launch client in > 2007-09-23 23:28:41:168 1032 1838 AU AU received approval from Ux for 24 > updates > 2007-09-23 23:28:41:168 1032 1838 AU AU setting pending client directive to > 'Progress Ux' > 2007-09-23 23:28:41:847 1032 197c AU BeginInteractiveInstall invoked for > Download > 2007-09-23 23:28:41:847 1032 197c AU Auto-approved 0 update(s) for download > (for Ux) > 2007-09-23 23:28:41:848 1032 197c AU UpdateDownloadProperties: 40 > download(s) are still in progress. > 2007-09-23 23:28:41:848 1032 197c AU > > lots of this...... > > > UpdateDownloadProperties: download priority has changed from 2 to 3. > 2007-09-23 23:28:41:848 1032 197c Agent Setting download properties on call > BAF92869-3D63-42CD-848A- > 2007-09-23 23:28:42:145 1032 197c AU > > then this > > ############# > 2007-09-23 23:28:42:145 1032 197c AU ## START ## AU: Download updates > 2007-09-23 23:28:42:145 1032 197c AU ######### > 2007-09-23 23:28:42:145 1032 197c AU # Found no download approved updates. > 2007-09-23 23:28:42:145 1032 197c AU ######### > 2007-09-23 23:28:42:145 1032 197c AU ## END ## AU: Download updates > 2007-09-23 23:28:42:145 1032 197c AU ############# > > > > "Shenan Stanley" wrote: > > > Rumpus wrote: > > > I had to reinstall vista last week as the dvd player stopped > > > woriing now I can't update my system. > > > > > > Bit is enabled and allowed through the firewall. > > > > > > I have tried install automatically, download and let me choose and > > > let me choose which to download and install. > > > > > > I have left my pc on for hrs idle in the hope vista would download > > > them when I wasn't using it. Still nothing. > > > > > > Is there a awy get vista to start downloading updates at the click > > > of a button or does it have to wait and do it in it's own time. > > > > > > I've been trying different options for a wek with no real joy. 2 > > > updates appear to have completed on the 20 but nothing since. > > > > 44?! > > > > -- > > Shenan Stanley > > MS-MVP > > -- > > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > > > > >
Guest Rumpus Posted September 25, 2007 Posted September 25, 2007 Cheers I tried this but all that ended up happening was that the install program said searching for updates for about 10 mins with no progress. gave up as I tried it a few times with no sucess. R "antioch" wrote: > > "Rumpus" <Rumpus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:AD935095-E2C6-41CC-98A0-A01C785F6282@microsoft.com... > >I had to reinstall vista last week as the dvd player stopped woriing now I > > can't update my system. > > Bit is enabled and allowed through the firewall. > > I have tried install automatically, download and let me choose and let me > > choose which to download and install. > > I have left my pc on for hrs idle in the hope vista would download them > > when > I wasn't using it. Still nothing. > > Is there a awy get vista to start downloading updates at the click of a > > button or does it have to wait and do it in it's own time. > > I've been trying different options for a wek with no real joy. 2 updates > > appear to have completed on the 20 but nothing since. > > Rumpus > Have you tried to download to disc then install from that. > Those running XP and updating from SP2 with some 80 plus have found this > method OK though rather time consuming - might also work in Vista - I don't > know. > Print out the list of critical/security ones offered. > Go to the download search page, like here > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/Browse.aspx?displaylang=en&categoryid=7 > > Type in the KB number in the order given - download. > Write to disk - then disconnect from the net - disable all security progs > and make sure nothing is running in the background. > Clean out all temps, cookies, tifs, etc - I don't know what use you have had > since the install, but I would suppose full AV and antispy wouldn't hurt > either - then install one at a time. > Most will prob want you to reboot, but I don't think it will hurt to do four > or five then reboot. > Then do the same for the software you want. > Don't forget to enable all your security progs before reconnecting to the > net. > The best of luck to you. > Rgds > Antioch > > >
Guest antioch Posted September 25, 2007 Posted September 25, 2007 "Rumpus" <Rumpus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:7FF9AC5D-EAA4-4087-8427-757262EE0E64@microsoft.com... > Cheers > > I tried this but all that ended up happening was that the install program > said searching for updates for about 10 mins with no progress. > > gave up as I tried it a few times with no sucess. > > R Which 'this' did you try - you seem to be able to get a list of whats on offer as you say you have cut the numbers - so what exactly is not working? Antioch
Guest Rumpus Posted September 26, 2007 Posted September 26, 2007 NO matter which method I try for installing updates nothing happens. At present I have had pc on all night with settings to download and install daily at 7pm nothing has happened. Winupdate log shows that at 19:00 contact was made to establish downloads but nothing has been downloaded. It looks like everything is working but nothing happens. Line like this are included in the log...... WARNING: AU found no suitable session to launch client in and 2007-09-26 23:05:26:690 1036 24f8 AU ## START ## AU: Download updates 2007-09-26 23:05:26:690 1036 24f8 AU ######### 2007-09-26 23:05:26:690 1036 24f8 AU # Found no download approved updates. 2007-09-26 23:05:26:690 1036 24f8 AU ######### 2007-09-26 23:05:26:690 1036 24f8 AU ## END ## AU: Download updates 2007-09-26 23:05:26:690 1036 24f8 AU ############# "antioch" wrote: > > "Rumpus" <Rumpus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:7FF9AC5D-EAA4-4087-8427-757262EE0E64@microsoft.com... > > Cheers > > > > I tried this but all that ended up happening was that the install program > > said searching for updates for about 10 mins with no progress. > > > > gave up as I tried it a few times with no sucess. > > > > R > > Which 'this' did you try - you seem to be able to get a list of whats on > offer as you say you have cut the numbers - so what exactly is not working? > > Antioch > > > >
Guest PA Bear Posted September 26, 2007 Posted September 26, 2007 Start a free Windows Update support incident request: https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=6527 Support for Windows Update: http://support.microsoft.com/gp/wusupport -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.org/ Rumpus wrote: > NO matter which method I try for installing updates nothing happens. > > At present I have had pc on all night with settings to download and > install > daily at 7pm nothing has happened. > > Winupdate log shows that at 19:00 contact was made to establish downloads > but nothing has been downloaded. It looks like everything is working but > nothing happens. Line like this are included in the log...... > > WARNING: AU found no suitable session to launch client in > > and 2007-09-26 23:05:26:690 1036 24f8 AU ## START ## AU: Download updates > 2007-09-26 23:05:26:690 1036 24f8 AU ######### > 2007-09-26 23:05:26:690 1036 24f8 AU # Found no download approved > updates. > 2007-09-26 23:05:26:690 1036 24f8 AU ######### > 2007-09-26 23:05:26:690 1036 24f8 AU ## END ## AU: Download updates > 2007-09-26 23:05:26:690 1036 24f8 AU ############# > > > "antioch" wrote: > >> >> "Rumpus" <Rumpus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:7FF9AC5D-EAA4-4087-8427-757262EE0E64@microsoft.com... >>> Cheers >>> >>> I tried this but all that ended up happening was that the install >>> program >>> said searching for updates for about 10 mins with no progress. >>> >>> gave up as I tried it a few times with no sucess. >>> >>> R >> >> Which 'this' did you try - you seem to be able to get a list of whats on >> offer as you say you have cut the numbers - so what exactly is not >> working? >> >> Antioch
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